Obama's Network MSNBC Says Your Kids Don't Belong To You. They Belong To The State

[mudwhistle]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=N3qtpdSQox0]MSNBC Host Melissa Harris-Perry » All Your Kids Belong To Us - YouTube[/ame]

In an promo spot, MSNBC host Melissa Harris-Perry says:

"We have never invested as much in public education as we should have because we’ve always had kind of a private notion of children. Your kid is yours and totally your responsibility. We haven’t had a very collective notion of “These are our children.” So part of it is we have to break through our kind of private idea that kids belong to their parents or kids belong to their families and recognize that kids belong to whole communities. Once it’s everyone’s responsibility and not just the household’s, then we start making better investments."​

This is Obama's network saying your kids don't belong to you, they belong to the state. This is text-book communist propaganda. Hillary Clinton believe that children have to be raise by the community. She even wrote the book "It Takes A Village".

This to Marxists is called "Investment".

When Obama talks about investing in our community he means taxation, and putting revenue into raising our kids and indoctrinating them into loyal Socialists-Progressives without a mind of their own.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Transcript:

1. We have never invested as much in public education as we should have, because we have always had a private notion of our children.

2. [Sarcastic] 'Your kid is yours and totally your responsibility.'

3. We never had a collective notion that these are OUR children.

4. So part of it is that we have to break through our private idea that kids belong to their parents, or that kids belong to their families.

5. We must recognize that kids belong to the WHOLE COMMUNITY;

6. Once it is everyone's responsibility, and not just the household, we start making better investments.

95 words: 13 words (blue) are PLURAL personal pronouns (we) or possession "our", 6 are second/third person possession "yours/theirs" used SARCASTICALLY.

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We have a 33 page thread running on this, although I'm quite sure I destroyed the Communists with this message:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...g-to-you-they-belong-to-the-community-30.html

Mankind figured out a long time ago that we function better as a group than as a bunch of individuals. That is why we dominated the planet. He also figured out that nurturing the children made the group stronger in succeeding generations
The communities that do the best in this country are those that provide the best social structure. Not a social structure of every man for himself, but one where there is a strong community. Before Conservatives go apeshit this does not mean a government takeover of families but families supported by neighbors, churches, good schools, parks, recreation. Communities that look out for each other
This is what Harris was talking about

That is what you and I are talking about, that is not what Harris is talking about.

Here is how she should have said it:

1) "We have never invested correctly in public education, nor paid much attention to the waste of money being spent --- for so little in return compared to other developed nations; because we have given too much attention to the outrageous pensions and benefits of our public employees, and have hired too many administrators instead of teachers; whilst ignoring the true educational needs of our children, placing far too much of the burden on overworked parents, often single mothers, who themselves never completed high school.

2) Your kid is yours, but your kid also lives within society, and must learn to interact and succeed within today's society, and this cannot be accomplished by any family alone, isolated from the community.

3) We have failed as local communities to provide the support and opportunities to our children; our schools are dilapidated, our class sizes too large, our teachers under-qualified and rewarded for failure, our failure as community to teach personal responsibility and general manners and ethics. We have placed too many burdens upon the working parents, and we cannot expect them to fulfill both the roles of the community and the roles of parents simultaneously.

4) So want we need to do is BREAK this vicious and unproductive cycle that we've been in for the past fifty years, and analyze the failures of the welfare state; because this system has only impoverished us all and left more young mothers single with multiple children than ever before in our history.

5) We must recognize that only an Individual can empower them self when they become self-reliant, that once they mature in adulthood, only they are responsible for their success and failure; we must recognize that the Community only succeeds when the Individuals within that community succeed.

6) Once we discern the problems in our current system, and make more calculated and proper investments in the education of our children, so that the household isn't left with the sole responsibility of upbringing their children properly, our communities will finally prosper.

Compare that to what she actually said:

1. We have never invested as much in public education as we should have, because we have always had a private notion of our children.

2. [Sarcastic] 'Your kid is yours and totally your responsibility.'

3. We never had a collective notion that these are OUR children.

4. So part of it is that we have to break through our private idea that kids belong to their parents, or that kids belong to their families.

5. We must recognize that kids belong to the WHOLE COMMUNITY;

6. Once it is everyone's responsibility, and not just the household, we start making better investments.

How do these contrast?

On line 1, she says we don't invest enough ... We're investing more than any other civilized nation.

On my line 1 - It's how you invest, not how much you invest.

From that terrible opening, I'll let you figure out the rest of the contrasts.

Finally, I'd like to refer back to post 42:

This thread is a magnet for the Communists. Especially the ones that don't realize they are communists.

I hope this was a sobering enlightenment.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Democrats kept moving left it was inevitable that they'd become Communists

 

[mudwhistle]

We have a 33 page thread running on this, although I'm quite sure I destroyed the Communists with this message:

Mankind figured out a long time ago that we function better as a group than as a bunch of individuals. That is why we dominated the planet. He also figured out that nurturing the children made the group stronger in succeeding generations
The communities that do the best in this country are those that provide the best social structure. Not a social structure of every man for himself, but one where there is a strong community. Before Conservatives go apeshit this does not mean a government takeover of families but families supported by neighbors, churches, good schools, parks, recreation. Communities that look out for each other
This is what Harris was talking about

That is what you and I are talking about, that is not what Harris is talking about.

Here is how she should have said it:

1) "We have never invested correctly in public education, nor paid much attention to the waste of money being spent --- for so little in return compared to other developed nations; because we have given too much attention to the outrageous pensions and benefits of our public employees, and have hired too many administrators instead of teachers; whilst ignoring the true educational needs of our children, placing far too much of the burden on overworked parents, often single mothers, who themselves never completed high school.

2) Your kid is yours, but your kid also lives within society, and must learn to interact and succeed within today's society, and this cannot be accomplished by any family alone, isolated from the community.

3) We have failed as local communities to provide the support and opportunities to our children; our schools are dilapidated, our class sizes too large, our teachers under-qualified and rewarded for failure, our failure as community to teach personal responsibility and general manners and ethics. We have placed too many burdens upon the working parents, and we cannot expect them to fulfill both the roles of the community and the roles of parents simultaneously.

4) So want we need to do is BREAK this vicious and unproductive cycle that we've been in for the past fifty years, and analyze the failures of the welfare state; because this system has only impoverished us all and left more young mothers single with multiple children than ever before in our history.

5) We must recognize that only an Individual can empower them self when they become self-reliant, that once they mature in adulthood, only they are responsible for their success and failure; we must recognize that the Community only succeeds when the Individuals within that community succeed.

6) Once we discern the problems in our current system, and make more calculated and proper investments in the education of our children, so that the household isn't left with the sole responsibility of upbringing their children properly, our communities will finally prosper.

Compare that to what she actually said:

1. We have never invested as much in public education as we should have, because we have always had a private notion of our children.

2. [Sarcastic] 'Your kid is yours and totally your responsibility.'

3. We never had a collective notion that these are OUR children.

4. So part of it is that we have to break through our private idea that kids belong to their parents, or that kids belong to their families.

5. We must recognize that kids belong to the WHOLE COMMUNITY;

6. Once it is everyone's responsibility, and not just the household, we start making better investments.

How do these contrast?

On line 1, she says we don't invest enough ... We're investing more than any other civilized nation.

On my line 1 - It's how you invest, not how much you invest.

From that terrible opening, I'll let you figure out the rest of the contrasts.

Finally, I'd like to refer back to post 42:

This thread is a magnet for the Communists. Especially the ones that don't realize they are communists.

I hope this was a sobering enlightenment.

Fact is our universities have turned into brainwashing factories turning our kids into Statists.

Now they want to begin indoctrinating our kids in Kindergarden. They call it head-start.

Is there any wonder so many are attempting to pull their children out of our public schools?

 

[Agit8r]

"It is better for the poorer classes to have the aid of the richer by a general tax on property, than that every parent should provide at his own expence for the education of his children, it is certain that every Class is interested in establishments which give to the human mind its highest improvements, and to every Country its truest and most durable celebrity."

-- James Madison; from letter to W.T. Barry (Aug. 4, 1822)

 

[mudwhistle]

"It is better for the poorer classes to have the aid of the richer by a general tax on property, than that every parent should provide at his own expence for the education of his children, it is certain that every Class is interested in establishments which give to the human mind its highest improvements, and to every Country its truest and most durable celebrity."

-- James Madison; from letter to W.T. Barry (Aug. 4, 1822)

In other words "Public Education".

That is education that is run by local governments, not a centralized federal program meant to indoctrinate your kids and assure that Democrats continue to win elections.

We already have enough governmental influence in our children's lives. We don't need them telling us our kids belong to the state. Perry means the state but she uses "the community" to make is sound less intrusive.

Investment = Taxation And Re-education
Communities = Federal Government

 

[The2ndAmendment]

"It is better for the poorer classes to have the aid of the richer by a general tax on property, than that every parent should provide at his own expence for the education of his children, it is certain that every Class is interested in establishments which give to the human mind its highest improvements, and to every Country its truest and most durable celebrity."

-- James Madison; from letter to W.T. Barry (Aug. 4, 1822)

Funny, he doesn't saying anything about "breaking the notion that children belong to their parents."

2. [Sarcastic] 'Your kid is yours and totally your responsibility.'

3. We never had a collective notion that these are OUR children.

4. So part of it is that we have to break through our private idea that kids belong to their parents, or that kids belong to their families.

In fact i lines 2, 3, or 4 can't even be remotely associated with the John Adams quote.

 

[mudwhistle]

"It is better for the poorer classes to have the aid of the richer by a general tax on property, than that every parent should provide at his own expence for the education of his children, it is certain that every Class is interested in establishments which give to the human mind its highest improvements, and to every Country its truest and most durable celebrity."

-- James Madison; from letter to W.T. Barry (Aug. 4, 1822)

Funny, he doesn't saying anything about "breaking the notion that children belong to their parents."

2. [Sarcastic] 'Your kid is yours and totally your responsibility.'

3. We never had a collective notion that these are OUR children.

4. So part of it is that we have to break through our private idea that kids belong to their parents, or that kids belong to their families.

In fact i lines 2, 3, or 4 can even be remotely associated with the John Adams quote.

It's called pooling resources so everyone benefits. It means poor kids should have the same educational opportunities as rich kids.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

It's called pooling resources so everyone benefits. It means poor kids should have the same educational opportunities as rich kids.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

So you didn't read my first post?

 

[mudwhistle]

It's called pooling resources so everyone benefits. It means poor kids should have the same educational opportunities as rich kids.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

So you didn't read my first post?

I did, but it seems that you're the second poster that seems to misinterpret what James Madison meant.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

It's called pooling resources so everyone benefits. It means poor kids should have the same educational opportunities as rich kids.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

So you didn't read my first post?

I did, but it seems that you're the second poster that seems to misinterpret what James Madison meant.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

That is what he said. Did he saying anything about children not belonging to their parents? That is what you started this thread about correct? When have I argued against taxes and public education?

I'm trying to support your thread, as far as I'm concerned, there should be 20 parallel threads running on this subject right now. I've been able to identify every communist and closet communist on this board because of it, all on my ignore list now.

 

[Agit8r]

"It is better for the poorer classes to have the aid of the richer by a general tax on property, than that every parent should provide at his own expence for the education of his children, it is certain that every Class is interested in establishments which give to the human mind its highest improvements, and to every Country its truest and most durable celebrity."

-- James Madison; from letter to W.T. Barry (Aug. 4, 1822)

In other words "Public Education".

That is education that is run by local governments, not a centralized federal program meant to indoctrinate your kids and assure that Democrats continue to win elections.

We already have enough governmental influence in our children's lives. We don't need them telling us our kids belong to the state. Perry means the state but she uses "the community" to make is sound less intrusive.

Investment = Taxation And Re-education
Communities = Federal Government

One should examine the evidence before coming to conclusions:

"Whilst it is universally admitted that a well-instructed people alone can be permanently a free people, and whilst it is evident that the means of diffusing and improving useful knowledge form so small a proportion of the expenditures for national purposes, I can not presume it to be unseasonable to invite your attention to the advantages of superadding to the means of education provided by the several States a seminary of learning instituted by the National Legislature within the limits of their exclusive jurisdiction, the expense of which might be defrayed or reimbursed out of the vacant grounds which have accrued to the nation within those limits.
"Such an institution, though local in its legal character, would be universal in its beneficial effects. By enlightening the opinions, by expanding the patriotism, and by assimilating the principles, the sentiments, and the manners of those who might resort to this temple of science, to be redistributed in due time through every part of the community, sources of jealousy and prejudice would be diminished, the features of national character would be multiplied, and greater extent given to social harmony"
-- James Madison; from Second State of the Union Address (Dec. 10, 1810)

"...there will still ere long be an accumulation of moneys in the Treasury beyond the installments of public debt which we are permitted by contract to pay. They can not then, without a modification assented to by the public creditors, be applied to the extinguishment of this debt and the complete liberation of our revenues, the most desirable of all objects. Nor, if our peace continues, will they be wanting for any other existing purpose. The question therefore now comes forward, To what other objects shall these surpluses be appropriated, and the whole surplus of impost, after the entire discharge of the public debt, and during those intervals when the purposes of war shall not call for them? Shall we suppress the impost and give that advantage to foreign over domestic manufactures? On a few articles of more general and necessary use the suppression in due season will doubtless be right, but the great mass of the articles on which impost is paid are foreign luxuries, purchased by those only who are rich enough to afford themselves the use of them.
"Their patriotism would certainly prefer its continuance and application to the great purposes of the public education, roads, rivers, canals, and such other objects of public improvement as it may be thought proper to add to the constitutional enumeration of Federal powers. By these operations new channels of communications will be opened between the States, the lines of separation will disappear, their interests will be identified, and their union cemented by new and indissoluble ties. Education is here placed among the articles of public care, not that it would be proposed to take its ordinary branches out of the hands of private enterprise, which manages so much better all the concerns to which it is equal, but a public institution can alone supply those sciences which though rarely called for are yet necessary to complete the circle, all the parts of which contribute to the improvement of the country and some of them to its preservation."

-- Thomas Jefferson; from 6th State of the Union Address (Dec. 2, 1806)

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Agit8r, what do either of those comments that you posted have to do with "Break the notion that kids belong to their parents, that kids belong to their families."

???

1. We have never invested as much in public education as we should have, because we have always had a private notion of our children.

2. [Sarcastic] 'Your kid is yours and totally your responsibility.'

3. We never had a collective notion that these are OUR children.

4. So part of it is that we have to break through our private idea that kids belong to their parents, or that kids belong to their families.

5. We must recognize that kids belong to the WHOLE COMMUNITY;

6. Once it is everyone's responsibility, and not just the household, we start making better investments.

Explain your interpretation of each of these lines.

 

[Agit8r]

Agit8r, what do either of those comments that you posted have to do with "Break the notion that kids belong to their parents, that kids belong to their families."

???

1. We have never invested as much in public education as we should have, because we have always had a private notion of our children.

2. [Sarcastic] 'Your kid is yours and totally your responsibility.'

3. We never had a collective notion that these are OUR children.

4. So part of it is that we have to break through our private idea that kids belong to their parents, or that kids belong to their families.

5. We must recognize that kids belong to the WHOLE COMMUNITY;

6. Once it is everyone's responsibility, and not just the household, we start making better investments.

Explain your interpretation of each of these lines.

Semantics. "Belong to" has more than one meaning.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Semantics. "Belong to" has more than one meaning.

I asked for your meaning and interpretation.

When Rightwinger and I both agreed to provide our interpretations, we found out we both wanted the EXACT same thing, perhaps you do to, but it's not what SHE is saying at all.

Here is Rightwinger's interpretation, than my interpretation, than how I believed it should be stated in a manner in which we BOTH AGREE, than what Melissa Perry said:

Rightwinger's Interpretation:

1. We have never invested as much in public education as we should have, because we have always had a private notion of our children.

She is simply stating that by assuming all responsibility is on the parents, we tend to skimp on public education. That if we care as a community, we will be more vested in the childrens success

2. [Sarcastic] 'Your kid is yours and totally your responsibility.'

Cuts to the meat of the issue. Conservatives are fucking assholes for believing that they raise their children completely on their own without help from family neighbors, schools, churches, civic groups....what we like to call.....a community

3. We never had a collective notion that these are OUR children.

Again stressing the point that communities need to value their children and provide education opportunities, parks, playgrounds, civic groups, libraries,

4. So part of it is that we have to break through our private idea that kids belong to their parents, or that kids belong to their families.

. She again is referring to breaking the mold that your kids are not MY problem. That if a kid is not successful, that is his parents problem. It stresses the idea of a strong community structure to supplement parents who are struggling
5. We must recognize that kids belong to the WHOLE COMMUNITY;

No kid should be abandoned, a kid who succeeds is a credit to the whole community. A kid who fails reflects on the community as well

6. Once it is everyone's responsibility, and not just the household, we start making better investments.
. A child does better with STRONG community involvement. Better schools, better recreation, better opportunities to excel. That is what a COMMUNITY gets you

My interpretation:

Your question was answered, now fulfill your promise and answer my question.

Sorry.....you did not come close to answering my three questions. Answer my questions and I will provide a lengthy response to yours

A - Where in that quote does she mention the Government?
B - Where does she mention taking anyones children?
C - Where does she say children do not belong to you?

After I answer all three of these questions, I expect an immediate response to mine, NOT debate about my answers, UNTIL AFTER you have answered my questions.

Let us make sure we're working from the EXACT same transcript:

1. We have never invested as much in public education as we should have, because we have always had a private notion of our children.

2. [Sarcastic] 'Your kid is yours and totally your responsibility.'

3. We never had a collective notion that these are OUR children.

4. So part of it is that we have to break through our private idea that kids belong to their parents, or that kids belong to their families.

5. We must recognize that kids belong to the WHOLE COMMUNITY;

6. Once it is everyone's responsibility, and not just the household, we start making better investments.

A - Where does mention the government?

She starts by saying in Line 1

"WE have never invested in PUBLIC EDUCATION as much as WE should have.

Unless you know some form of public education that is NOT run by government, this automatically means government.

She ends by saying in Line 6

Once it is everyone's responsibility, and not just the household

This can only be achieved through coercion via tax

we'll start making better investment

This is assumed to be investment in Public Education, since that is how she began this very small 95 word speech.

B - Where does she mention taking anyone's children
Line 4

So part of it is that we have to BREAK this private idea that kids belong to their parents, to their families.

This automatically means that all children do NOT belong to their parents and/or families, that the State is Sovereign our your children; by this definition, the government has taken your children, because you have no sovereignty, you only have your children so long as the government Consents and grants you that privilege.

She confirms this with line 5, that children belong to the Community. However, Community is synonymous with Government, since she began with "Public Education" and has yet to explicitly state in this VERY SMALL SPEECH that she was referring to any other entity.

Also, the end of line 1, line 2 and line 3 all support this conclusion.

C - Where does she say that the children do not belong to you

Line 5 - The Children belong to the Community (Public Education System - Government)

She also says that the State is Sovereign over your children, that automatically means the children belong to the government.

Line 2 kicks it in your face, deriding anyone who think that their children belong to them.

Now you tell me your interpretation BEFORE you argue my answers.

My consolidation on something of which we can all agree:

1) "We have never invested correctly in public education, nor paid much attention to the waste of money being spent --- for so little in return compared to other developed nations; because we have given too much attention to the outrageous pensions and benefits of our public employees, and have hired too many administrators instead of teachers; whilst ignoring the true educational needs of our children, placing far too much of the burden on overworked parents, often single mothers, who themselves never completed high school.

2) Your kid is yours, but your kid also lives within society, and must learn to interact and succeed within today's society, and this cannot be accomplished by any family alone, isolated from the community.

3) We have failed as local communities to provide the support and opportunities to our children; our schools are dilapidated, our class sizes too large, our teachers under-qualified and rewarded for failure, our failure as community to teach personal responsibility and general manners and ethics. We have placed too many burdens upon the working parents, and we cannot expect them to fulfill both the roles of the community and the roles of parents simultaneously.

4) So want we need to do is BREAK this vicious and unproductive cycle that we've been in for the past fifty years, and analyze the failures of the welfare state; because this system has only impoverished us all and left more young mothers single with multiple children than ever before in our history.

5) We must recognize that only an Individual can empower them self when they become self-reliant, that once they mature in adulthood, only they are responsible for their success and failure; we must recognize that the Community only succeeds when the Individuals within that community succeed.

6) Once we discern the problems in our current system, and make more calculated and proper investments in the education of our children, so that the household isn't left with the sole responsibility of upbringing their children properly, our communities will finally prosper.

The exact transcript

1. We have never invested as much in public education as we should have, because we have always had a private notion of our children.

2. [Sarcastic] 'Your kid is yours and totally your responsibility.'

3. We never had a collective notion that these are OUR children.

4. So part of it is that we have to break through our private idea that kids belong to their parents, or that kids belong to their families.

5. We must recognize that kids belong to the WHOLE COMMUNITY;

6. Once it is everyone's responsibility, and not just the household, we start making better investments.

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If we look at the transcript, point blank, wtf does she mean right at the start? We haven't invested enough money into public education? Ridiculous, we spend more per student than any other nation.

At the end she says "We start making better investments." Sure, I agree, we should spend our money better, not spend more money, but she doesn't' say a damn thing about how to spend it better, except that if we remove parental Sovereignty over their children all of sudden our mega-investments will be more efficient.

 

[Agit8r]

While I can't be absolutely certain what she meant, I would tend to agree essentially with Rightwinger's interpretation, because MSNBC is a liberal network, and that narrative that Rightwinger described is the general view of liberalism on the subject.

 

[Unkotare]

Marx clearly and directly called for the destruction of the family. Take a look at the details of the social decay that has been underway for decades now and reach your own conclusions.

 

[Stephanie]

obama made a video just for them

the LIFE OF JULIA..

YOU BELONG TO HIM now anyway, ObamaCare

 

[ba1614]

It's the main tenet of the progressive movement, they must control everything because they know what's best for you.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It's the main tenet of the progressive movement, they must control everything because they know what's best for you.

And many people are convinced they're better off like that