ObamaCare Strikes Out

[JakeStarkey]

Sun Devil is bitching that he can't use catastrophic health insurance to privatize his profit while he socializes his risk.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Jake Starkey still can't write a sentence that makes any sense.

Fortunately, I only have to read them when I choose "look at ignored comment", which isn't very often.

Fakey would not understand socialized risk if it jumped up and bit him on his oversized ass.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Sun Devil does this when he gets his ass kicked again.

I set a trap to see if is he is lying, and he proves that he is. He reads all of my stuff.

S D is a poor writer, a poor ideologue, and a lousy Mormon.

He got caught out and whines. He can't do anything else.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Can Fakey say anything intelligent ?

Looking at his Avi....it is rarely tempting to find out.

He's a troll that never provides any facts or substance to back up his argument.

On top of that, he can't write anything intelligible....so...maybe that is why he does not even try to look smart.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Hawaii.....Obama's homestate......

How ironic is this:


1. "Hawaii’s $205 Million Obamacare Exchange Implodes


2. Despite over $205 million in federal taxpayer funding, Hawaii’s Obamacare exchange website will soon shut down. ... failed to become financially viable because of lower than expected Obamacare enrollment figures..... the website will now be unable to operate past this year.

3. According to the Honolulu Star-Advertiser the Hawaii Health Connector will stop taking new enrollees on Friday and plans to begin migrating to the federally run Healthcare.gov. Outreach services will end by May 31, all technology will be transferred to the state by September 30, and its workforce will be eliminated by February 28.

4. ...the exchange has underperformed from day one. In its first year, Hawaii enrolled only 8,592 individuals – meaning it spent almost $23,899 on its website for each individual enrolled. Currently over 37,000 individuals are enrolled in Hawaii’s exchange - well below the estimated 70,000 enrollees that is required to make the website financially viable

5. This is not the first time that a state exchange has failed, and taken millions of dollars in federal funds down with it. Earlier this year, Oregon’s state exchange was officially abolished at an estimated cost of $41 million.

a. The debacle has promoted numerous federal agencies and organizations to investigate allegations of inappropriate political interference from then Governor Kitzhaber’s 2014 reelection campaign.

6. Hawaii now joins Oregon, Massachusetts, Maryland, Vermont, New Mexico, and Nevada as cautionary tales in government central planning...."
Hawaii s 205 Million Obamacare Exchange Implodes Americans for Tax Reform




"Debacle"

Is this not a perfect synonym for all of the Obama administration......

....and for his voters????

Yes, New Mexico......

 

[JakeStarkey]

Sun Devil has been reduced to ad homs because his argumentation has always been easily and competently refuted.

Such has and always will be so.

 

[PoliticalChic]

LOL, if you believe this ^^^ post is substantive, there is no possibility that you will get hurt by thinking (a person cannot drown in an arid sandbox)

And while you are at it.....maybe you can tell me how much Obamacare has reduced our health care spending as a % of GDP.

That was one of the arguments most bleated during the whole debate.

That last I checked....it hasn't changed it all. Maybe you have something more "substantive".

"That was one of the arguments most bleated during the whole debate."

Liberals have been well trained to ignore truth.

The simply step over the corpse of veracity and move on.

Once again, I disagree with your tagging these people as liberals.

They are not...they are left wing morons (akin to right wing morons who somehow think that business does not operate in bed with government). Liberals like new ideas and like freedom.

Idiots like Bush 1 didn't know the difference and have soiled the term.

Just like calling Bush 2 a conservative (when his behavior was anything but....) is such a joke.

I will agree with your statement if you replace liberal with left wing........

You'll notice the topic never comes up.....after all, they got what they wanted.....

And we all kept our doctors too.....

Mind you....I do believe we have big issues with our health insurance delivery system. But Obamacare wasn't the answer.

Big Insurance loves it even though they are exiting the exchanges (some think that was the strategy all along....essentially back to the status quo with high priced plans and customers at your door step at the point of a gun).

"Once again, I disagree with your tagging these people as liberals.....I will agree with your statement if you replace liberal with left wing........"

No can do.

Based on current usage, they are called 'Liberals.'

The best I can do is remind all that they are actually the folks originally called Socialists, and are not what you mean, classical liberals.


I have the very same response you have to the current usage of the term, fingernails on a blackboard, when folks refer to red states and blue states.

Anyone who has a knowledge of history knows that 'red' has always been reserved for communists, anarchists, socialists....liberals.

...and 'blue' for conservatives.

Their media apparatchiks switched the usage.



Face it, Sunny....they have co-opted the language by their control of the dissemination of information: the media and the schools.

I'm not optimistic about ever regaining veracity in our society.

I'll go with that....

But if someone does not point it out, it has no chance of happening.

I certainly agree.


We are the lone voices battling the political wilderness.
We have a mission,...the one you've just outlined. In the Soviet system it was known as 'samizdat.'

It's shoveling against the tide....the Left has made enormous gains, just recently claiming federal control over this internet.

Best of luck to both of us.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Somehow liberals have been unable to acquire from birth what conservatives seem to be endowed with at birth: namely, a healthy skepticism of the powers of government to do good."
Daniel Patrick Moynihan


Long after his passing, the smartest Democrat every elected, Moynihan, has shown prescience and insight.


Liberals are, intellectually, the equivalent of very young and inexperienced children.
Big government, their political 'daddy' paints a glowing picture of what it can do, and will do....and they jump up and down, clapping, and drooling.


"If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor."
"If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it."
"Nothing in our plan requires you to change what you have."
"...your premiums will go down."
“...no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions.”
...won’t add “one dime” to the federal deficit.

Every statement above was a lie by their political 'daddy,'....yet Obama supporters have shown zero ability to learn from this.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

And while you are at it.....maybe you can tell me how much Obamacare has reduced our health care spending as a % of GDP.

That was one of the arguments most bleated during the whole debate.

That last I checked....it hasn't changed it all. Maybe you have something more "substantive".

"That was one of the arguments most bleated during the whole debate."

Liberals have been well trained to ignore truth.

The simply step over the corpse of veracity and move on.

Once again, I disagree with your tagging these people as liberals.

They are not...they are left wing morons (akin to right wing morons who somehow think that business does not operate in bed with government). Liberals like new ideas and like freedom.

Idiots like Bush 1 didn't know the difference and have soiled the term.

Just like calling Bush 2 a conservative (when his behavior was anything but....) is such a joke.

I will agree with your statement if you replace liberal with left wing........

You'll notice the topic never comes up.....after all, they got what they wanted.....

And we all kept our doctors too.....

Mind you....I do believe we have big issues with our health insurance delivery system. But Obamacare wasn't the answer.

Big Insurance loves it even though they are exiting the exchanges (some think that was the strategy all along....essentially back to the status quo with high priced plans and customers at your door step at the point of a gun).

"Once again, I disagree with your tagging these people as liberals.....I will agree with your statement if you replace liberal with left wing........"

No can do.

Based on current usage, they are called 'Liberals.'

The best I can do is remind all that they are actually the folks originally called Socialists, and are not what you mean, classical liberals.


I have the very same response you have to the current usage of the term, fingernails on a blackboard, when folks refer to red states and blue states.

Anyone who has a knowledge of history knows that 'red' has always been reserved for communists, anarchists, socialists....liberals.

...and 'blue' for conservatives.

Their media apparatchiks switched the usage.



Face it, Sunny....they have co-opted the language by their control of the dissemination of information: the media and the schools.

I'm not optimistic about ever regaining veracity in our society.

I'll go with that....

But if someone does not point it out, it has no chance of happening.

I certainly agree.


We are the lone voices battling the political wilderness.
We have a mission,...the one you've just outlined. In the Soviet system it was known as 'samizdat.'

It's shoveling against the tide....the Left has made enormous gains, just recently claiming federal control over this internet.

Best of luck to both of us.

What's worse is establishment GOP. They are more like centrist democrats (only bigger liars not committed to the truth).

Classic liberals of yesteryear would throw up all over today's nanny state B.S.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"That was one of the arguments most bleated during the whole debate."

Liberals have been well trained to ignore truth.

The simply step over the corpse of veracity and move on.

Once again, I disagree with your tagging these people as liberals.

They are not...they are left wing morons (akin to right wing morons who somehow think that business does not operate in bed with government). Liberals like new ideas and like freedom.

Idiots like Bush 1 didn't know the difference and have soiled the term.

Just like calling Bush 2 a conservative (when his behavior was anything but....) is such a joke.

I will agree with your statement if you replace liberal with left wing........

You'll notice the topic never comes up.....after all, they got what they wanted.....

And we all kept our doctors too.....

Mind you....I do believe we have big issues with our health insurance delivery system. But Obamacare wasn't the answer.

Big Insurance loves it even though they are exiting the exchanges (some think that was the strategy all along....essentially back to the status quo with high priced plans and customers at your door step at the point of a gun).

"Once again, I disagree with your tagging these people as liberals.....I will agree with your statement if you replace liberal with left wing........"

No can do.

Based on current usage, they are called 'Liberals.'

The best I can do is remind all that they are actually the folks originally called Socialists, and are not what you mean, classical liberals.


I have the very same response you have to the current usage of the term, fingernails on a blackboard, when folks refer to red states and blue states.

Anyone who has a knowledge of history knows that 'red' has always been reserved for communists, anarchists, socialists....liberals.

...and 'blue' for conservatives.

Their media apparatchiks switched the usage.



Face it, Sunny....they have co-opted the language by their control of the dissemination of information: the media and the schools.

I'm not optimistic about ever regaining veracity in our society.

I'll go with that....

But if someone does not point it out, it has no chance of happening.

I certainly agree.


We are the lone voices battling the political wilderness.
We have a mission,...the one you've just outlined. In the Soviet system it was known as 'samizdat.'

It's shoveling against the tide....the Left has made enormous gains, just recently claiming federal control over this internet.

Best of luck to both of us.

What's worse is establishment GOP. They are more like centrist democrats (only bigger liars not committed to the truth).

Classic liberals of yesteryear would throw up all over today's nanny state B.S.

We are political orphans, with no government officials who speak for us.

Oh, and while the king was looking down
The jester stole his thorny crown
The courtroom was adjourned
No verdict was returned

And while Lenin read a book on Marx
The quartet practiced in the park
And we sang dirges in the dark
The day the music died
"American Pie"

 

[Sun Devil 92]

"Somehow liberals have been unable to acquire from birth what conservatives seem to be endowed with at birth: namely, a healthy skepticism of the powers of government to do good."
Daniel Patrick Moynihan


Long after his passing, the smartest Democrat every elected, Moynihan, has shown prescience and insight.


Liberals are, intellectually, the equivalent of very young and inexperienced children.
Big government, their political 'daddy' paints a glowing picture of what it can do, and will do....and they jump up and down, clapping, and drooling.


"If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor."
"If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it."
"Nothing in our plan requires you to change what you have."
"...your premiums will go down."
“...no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions.”
...won’t add “one dime” to the federal deficit.

Every statement above was a lie by their political 'daddy,'....yet Obama supporters have shown zero ability to learn from this.

Obama supporters ?

How about Obama worshippers.......

They learned alright....

You can lie your sorry far left ass off and somehow get away with it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Somehow liberals have been unable to acquire from birth what conservatives seem to be endowed with at birth: namely, a healthy skepticism of the powers of government to do good."
Daniel Patrick Moynihan


Long after his passing, the smartest Democrat every elected, Moynihan, has shown prescience and insight.


Liberals are, intellectually, the equivalent of very young and inexperienced children.
Big government, their political 'daddy' paints a glowing picture of what it can do, and will do....and they jump up and down, clapping, and drooling.


"If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor."
"If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it."
"Nothing in our plan requires you to change what you have."
"...your premiums will go down."
“...no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions.”
...won’t add “one dime” to the federal deficit.

Every statement above was a lie by their political 'daddy,'....yet Obama supporters have shown zero ability to learn from this.

Obama supporters ?

How about Obama worshippers.......

They learned alright....

You can lie your sorry far left ass off and somehow get away with it.

65,915,796

You only find justice in the dictionary and the cemetery.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Nobody starts an exchanger planning to fail.

What happened ?

 

[PoliticalChic]

From this:
"...your premiums will go down."


To this:

"Get Ready for Huge Obamacare Premium Hikes in 2017"
Get Ready for Huge Obamacare Premium Hikes in 2017


Neither should Liberals ever be allowed in any position of power....nor should any Liberal be allowed to vote sans a mental evaluation and a drug test.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

From this:
"...your premiums will go down."


To this:

"Get Ready for Huge Obamacare Premium Hikes in 2017"
Get Ready for Huge Obamacare Premium Hikes in 2017


Neither should Liberals ever be allowed in any position of power....nor should any Liberal be allowed to vote sans a mental evaluation and a drug test.

From this:
"...your premiums will go down."


To this:

"Get Ready for Huge Obamacare Premium Hikes in 2017"
Get Ready for Huge Obamacare Premium Hikes in 2017


Neither should Liberals ever be allowed in any position of power....nor should any Liberal be allowed to vote sans a mental evaluation and a drug test.

The summary of the article is the uncertainty of the market going forward.

You can't spend 8,500 per person per year and hide it forever.

 

[PoliticalChic]

From this:
"...your premiums will go down."


To this:

"Get Ready for Huge Obamacare Premium Hikes in 2017"
Get Ready for Huge Obamacare Premium Hikes in 2017


Neither should Liberals ever be allowed in any position of power....nor should any Liberal be allowed to vote sans a mental evaluation and a drug test.

From this:
"...your premiums will go down."


To this:

"Get Ready for Huge Obamacare Premium Hikes in 2017"
Get Ready for Huge Obamacare Premium Hikes in 2017


Neither should Liberals ever be allowed in any position of power....nor should any Liberal be allowed to vote sans a mental evaluation and a drug test.

The summary of the article is the uncertainty of the market going forward.

You can't spend 8,500 per person per year and hide it forever.

I'm very much afraid that 'forever' and 'America' will rarely be found in the same sentence going forward........

 

[Sun Devil 92]

From this:
"...your premiums will go down."


To this:

"Get Ready for Huge Obamacare Premium Hikes in 2017"
Get Ready for Huge Obamacare Premium Hikes in 2017


Neither should Liberals ever be allowed in any position of power....nor should any Liberal be allowed to vote sans a mental evaluation and a drug test.

From this:
"...your premiums will go down."


To this:

"Get Ready for Huge Obamacare Premium Hikes in 2017"
Get Ready for Huge Obamacare Premium Hikes in 2017


Neither should Liberals ever be allowed in any position of power....nor should any Liberal be allowed to vote sans a mental evaluation and a drug test.

The summary of the article is the uncertainty of the market going forward.

You can't spend 8,500 per person per year and hide it forever.

I'm very much afraid that 'forever' and 'America' will rarely be found in the same sentence going forward........

You can't give up !!!

This country is still a wonderful place to live.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Rising healthcare costs are pressuring patients

For the better part of a decade, healthcare costs have been eating up a growing share of the family budget, says Paul Fronstin, director of the Health Research & Education Program with the Employee Benefit Research Institute. "It's affected their ability to pay for basic necessities."

Studies conducted by Fronstin's organization have consistently found that workers have increased credit card debt and cut back on retirement and other savings to pay for healthcare.

Though much has been made of a slowdown in the rate at which U.S. healthcare costs have risen in recent years, that trend hasn't translated into financial relief for patients.

"The overall cost to everybody has slowed, but one of the reasons they've slowed is that there's been a shifting of costs to patients," says Paul Ginsburg, director of public policy with USC's Schaeffer Center for Health Policy and Economics.

********************

Bottom line....it costs money to get sick.

Somehow we think we are doing something special.

8,500 per person is way to much.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

You'll notice that when I bring up the cost of care.....it seems both sides go silent.

Any talk of "savings" is just a shell game.

If we continue to do things the way we've done them before.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

From this:
"...your premiums will go down."


To this:

"Get Ready for Huge Obamacare Premium Hikes in 2017"
Get Ready for Huge Obamacare Premium Hikes in 2017


Neither should Liberals ever be allowed in any position of power....nor should any Liberal be allowed to vote sans a mental evaluation and a drug test.

The far left certainly could find better places to drool.