Obamacare keeps sinking

[San Souci]

Obamacare is 'Junk Insurance at Outrageous Premiums'​

Obamacare subsidies can’t fix a broken system. Rand Paul’s bill could.

The Senate failed to pass a three-year extension on tax credits for the Affordable Care Act. But the only thing keeping it at all "affordable" was a flood of taxpayer money to conceal its true expense.

reason.com

Can any lib admit this is a total sham and failure......
Class ..anyone ....Buhler

Obama care was actually an attempt to Nationalize HC. It failed because TWO DEMS actually joined the Repubs to stop it. Baccus and Lieberman. What Pelosi passed (Without reading ,of course) was a slightly watered down version. No "Public Option". Even the watered down version is rotten. And full of corruption. As are all Democrat plans.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Obamacare is 'Junk Insurance at Outrageous Premiums'​

Obamacare subsidies can’t fix a broken system. Rand Paul’s bill could.

The Senate failed to pass a three-year extension on tax credits for the Affordable Care Act. But the only thing keeping it at all "affordable" was a flood of taxpayer money to conceal its true expense.

reason.com

Can any lib admit this is a total sham and failure......
Class ..anyone ....Buhler

WTF is Rand Paul's solution?

Health savings accounts?
What a ******* joke.
It does NOTHING, he is an idiot.

The only solution is universal healthcare.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

Obama care was actually an attempt to Nationalize HC. It failed because TWO DEMS actually joined the Repubs to stop it. Baccus and Lieberman. What Pelosi passed (Without reading ,of course) was a slightly watered down version. No "Public Option". Even the watered down version is rotten. And full of corruption. As are all Democrat plans.

That's the current, corrupt, for profit healthcare system.

 

[pknopp]

Ok I'll give you that because people complain about everything but how many people are going to complain if it's shutdown because their premiums will sky rocket

A lot of people. If the right thing had initially been done, that doesn't happen.

 

[pknopp]

WTF is Rand Paul's solution?

Health savings accounts?
What a ******* joke.
It does NOTHING, he is an idiot.

The only solution is universal healthcare.

But neither party is trying to do that.

 

[Nuthin' Fancy]

But neither party is trying to do that.

It's the $$$.

 

[gipper]

It's the $$$.

If it’s any solace, the American HC system is awful. Doctors and hospitals kill a great number of people every year by incompetence and mistakes. They cure every few. So, it’s best to avoid the system altogether.

 

[Lisa558]

Paul isn't addressing the cost side either. Any plan that doesn't address that is not the answer.

I was watching a news bit on someone's insurance turning down coverage for a boy with many seizures a day.

$800,000 a year.

The entire complaint was over insurance not being willing to cover the costs. Absolutely nothing about why the costs were $800,000 to start with.

I was waiting in the ER, to be seen for an emergency, and it was cold in there. I asked for a blanket.

I saw later they charged $40 for a “blanket rental fee.” The reason they were able to get away with that is because insurance paid for it.

If it was NOT covered, there might have been a $5 charge for the laundry.

The problem is TOO much is covered by insurance. Disallow routine stuff from coverage. Trump can give $1000 per person per year (directly to the citizen), and watch charges drop. That’s a lot cheaper than giving insurance companies $8000 a year for them to cover overpriced routine matters.

 

[Lisa558]

But neither party is trying to do that.

Trump is. His idea about direct to consumer subsidies rather than huge payments to insurance companies is brilliant.

There could even be a sliding scale, based on age: $500 a year for people under 30 (I went years without seeing a doctor in my 20s), $1000 a year for people 31 - 50, and $1500 a year for people 51 - 64.

This would be much cheaper than the huge subsidies of $5,000 to $10,000 a year we taxpayers pay now.

 

[Lisa558]

A lot of people. If the right thing had initially been done, that doesn't happen.

The right thing? What would that be?

 

[pknopp]

I was waiting in the ER, to be seen for an emergency, and it was cold in there. I asked for a blanket.

I saw later they charged $40 for a “blanket rental fee.” The reason they were able to get away with that is because insurance paid for it.

If it was NOT covered, there might have been a $5 charge for the laundry.

The problem is TOO much is covered by insurance. Disallow routine stuff from coverage. Trump can give $1000 per person per year (directly to the citizen), and watch charges drop. That’s a lot cheaper than giving insurance companies $8000 a year for them to cover overpriced routine matters.

$5 for a blanket in a cold waiting room is still completely uncaring.

 

[pknopp]

Trump is. His idea about direct to consumer subsidies rather than huge payments to insurance companies is brilliant.

There could even be a sliding scale, based on age: $500 a year for people under 30 (I went years without seeing a doctor in my 20s), $1000 a year for people 31 - 50, and $1500 a year for people 51 - 64.

This would be much cheaper than the huge subsidies of $5,000 to $10,000 a year we taxpayers pay now.

That is socialism. You understand that, right?

 

[pknopp]

The right thing? What would that be?

Universal Health Care.

 

[Lisa558]

$5 for a blanket in a cold waiting room is still completely uncaring.

Better than $40.

Again, perfect is the enemy of the good.

 

[Lisa558]

Universal Health Care.

So take the damage done under Obamacare, and expand it into more of an unaffordable disaster with poor insurance?

What’s wrong with giving citizens $1000 or so a yeae to pay for routine mattes themselves, and then they buy a cheap Major Medical policy for true emergencies?

Hint: the answer to problems is NOT to make them “free.” That’s the cause.

 

[pknopp]

So take the damage done under Obamacare, and expand it into more of an unaffordable disaster with poor insurance?

What’s wrong with giving citizens $1000 or so a yeae to pay for routine mattes themselves, and then they buy a cheap Major Medical policy for true emergencies?

Hint: the answer to problems is NOT to make them “free.” That’s the cause.

There is no such thing as cheap insurance.

 

[Lisa558]

There is no such thing as cheap insurance.

there used to be, before Obama turned Major Medical policies (which were cheap) into Obamacare plans.

We need to reverse Obamacare, require people to cover their own basic matters, and then they can buy cheap plans for emergencies.

 

[pknopp]

there sued to be, before Obama turned Major Medical policies (which were cheap) into Obamacare plans.

We need to reverse Obamacare, require people to cover their own basic matters, and then they can buy cheap plans for emergencies.

No, there wasn't. Millions upon millions couldn't afford insurance.

On top of that, you practically couldn't even get insurance with pre-existing conditions.

I'm not interested in your make believe world.

 

[Lisa558]

No, there wasn't. Millions upon millions couldn't afford insurance.

On top of that, you practically couldn't even get insurance with pre-existing conditions.

I'm not interested in your make believe world.

And now even MORE people can’t afford insurance, unless OTHER PEOPLE pay for it.

I’m not interested in your ignorance.

 

[Lisa558]

Why is it that liberals’ “solution” to every problem is to make other people pay to give away free stuff?

Under Obamacare, for which I was forced to pay $800 a month, I STILL had to pay for all my medical expenses. It really wasn’t insurance - it was a major medical plan.

The difference was that under Obamacare, a major medical plan that covered nothing was now twice as costly.