OBAMACARE: 32 Million New Patients, 46% less MDs

[Revere]

He is not acting on behalf of the medical profession, but as a conservative policy wonk.

No, a policy wonk is someone who actually knows policy. This guy is just making shit up (jail for not being a meaningful use? ). He's acting as a hack.

No, the hacks packaged this garbage as something it was not (who could blame them, they did not read it) in order to get it passed.

 

[Revere]

Hacks are Harvard lawyers whose only connection to health care are providers and carriers they have sued.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The only "death panels" are held by health insurance corporations.

 

[Revere]

Really? Can a Medicaid patient pay cash for services Medicaid denies like someone with private insurance can?

 

[skookerasbil]

The only "death panels" are held by health insurance corporations.

 

[uscitizen]

We will just outsource our medical care to India.

 

[Charles_Main]

You guys are arguing with a group of people who think. Suddenly forcing Insurance companies to cover all pre-existing conditions, and peoples children to the age of 26, and forcing them to remove life time pay out caps. Will have no effect on Costs at all, in an industry that operates on a 3% profit margin. We not talking about people that give the facts much weight at all.

So why would you expect them to understand that adding 32 Million new customers, with out doing anything to address a shortage of Doctors and resources might lead to some hard decisions and people not getting the best care they could have?

 

[skookerasbil]

 

[Revere]

They think it's going to be free, or even that costs won't rise more quickly.

Yeah, get all those healthy gen X-ers to pay premiums because they won't access the system.

They'll expect to pay something and get nothing.

 

[uscitizen]

You guys are arguing with a group of people who think. Suddenly forcing Insurance companies to cover all pre-existing conditions, and peoples children to the age of 26, and forcing them to remove life time pay out caps. Will have no effect on Costs at all, in an industry that operates on a 3% profit margin. We not talking about people that give the facts much weight at all.

So why would you expect them to understand that adding 32 Million new customers, with out doing anything to address a shortage of Doctors and resources might lead to some hard decisions and people not getting the best care they could have?

th best care anyone can get is not what most of us get now.

 

[Revere]

85% of Americans are happy with their insurance.

The only guarantee of Obamacare is that everyone will have the same lousy health care everyone else has.

You think you're giong to get 20 somethings to like up like sheep and pay five figures a year for something they don't want.

 

[Greenbeard]

So why would you expect them to understand that adding 32 Million new customers, with out doing anything to address a shortage of Doctors and resources might lead to some hard decisions and people not getting the best care they could have?

Yeah, not a thing.

Anyway, did you actually watch the video in the OP? There were several very serious, very wrong assertions about the role of comparative effectiveness research and the responsibilities of the Office of the National Coordinator for HIT. Do you think presenting those fantasies to a group of voters is defensible?

You think you're giong to get 20 somethings to like up like sheep and pay five figures a year for something they don't want.

20-somethings can satisfy the mandate by buying only catastrophic coverage, they don't have to buy comprehensive coverage (even though many of them would be heavily subsidized if they chose to do so).

 

[gautama]

So why would you expect them to understand that adding 32 Million new customers, with out doing anything to address a shortage of Doctors and resources might lead to some hard decisions and people not getting the best care they could have?

Yeah, not a thing.

Anyway, did you actually watch the video in the OP? There were several very serious, very wrong assertions about the role of comparative effectiveness research and the responsibilities of the Office of the National Coordinator for HIT. Do you think presenting those fantasies to a group of voters is defensible?

You think you're giong to get 20 somethings to like up like sheep and pay five figures a year for something they don't want.

20-somethings can satisfy the mandate by buying only catastrophic coverage, they don't have to buy comprehensive coverage (even though many of them would be heavily subsidized if they chose to do so).

Greenbeard:

No matter how you will try to OBFUSCATE and DISTORT the INCONTROVERTIBLE FACTS with BULLSHIT, your MATH won't be able to overcome the following THREE TRUE OR FALSE QUESTIONS:


FACT ONE: Obamacare will incur 32 Million ADDITIONAL more currently non-paying patients. True or False ?

FACT TWO: Given the data, there is a projection that there will be 46% less MDs. True or False ?

FACT THREE: Even without the projection, with 32 million ADDITIONAL currently none paying patients and the SAME number of MDs there WILL be prodigious rationing ? True or False ?

No matter how you try to DELUGE these THREE FACTS with OBAMARRHOIDAL BULLSHIT your BULLSHIT can't overcome the OBVIOUS MATH.

 

[Revere]

High deductible plans such as those won't meet the mandates, because they would not cover any preventative care.

You mean someone else would pay for them to carry insurance they did not want to?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Revere, your comments merely reveal your monumental ignorance on this issue.

 

[daveman]

Revere, your comments merely reveal your monumental ignorance on this issue.

Obama said it would work great, so it. Will. Work. Great.

 

[uscitizen]

85% of Americans are happy with their insurance.

The only guarantee of Obamacare is that everyone will have the same lousy health care everyone else has.

You think you're giong to get 20 somethings to like up like sheep and pay five figures a year for something they don't want.

You mean the 85% that have insurance?
Or 85% of those who have insurance are happy with it?

 

[Charles_Main]

You guys are arguing with a group of people who think. Suddenly forcing Insurance companies to cover all pre-existing conditions, and peoples children to the age of 26, and forcing them to remove life time pay out caps. Will have no effect on Costs at all, in an industry that operates on a 3% profit margin. We not talking about people that give the facts much weight at all.

So why would you expect them to understand that adding 32 Million new customers, with out doing anything to address a shortage of Doctors and resources might lead to some hard decisions and people not getting the best care they could have?

th best care anyone can get is not what most of us get now.

this health care bill will not change that. In fact it is likely to exacerbate the problem.

 

[uscitizen]

High deductible plans such as those won't meet the mandates, because they would not cover any preventative care.

You mean someone else would pay for them to carry insurance they did not want to?

You mean like Rand Pauls proposed $2000 deductable for medicare?

 

[Charles_Main]

So why would you expect them to understand that adding 32 Million new customers, with out doing anything to address a shortage of Doctors and resources might lead to some hard decisions and people not getting the best care they could have?

Yeah, not a thing.

Anyway, did you actually watch the video in the OP? There were several very serious, very wrong assertions about the role of comparative effectiveness research and the responsibilities of the Office of the National Coordinator for HIT. Do you think presenting those fantasies to a group of voters is defensible?

Nope, that is just as indefensible as trying to convince people that this Bill will not lead to higher costs, and possibly Rationing do to lack of resources and increased demand.