Obama/Unions Screwing Americans is Fun

[The Rabbi]

Ok since you want to keep asking the most dumb of questions. Cigna CEO David Cordani received $19.1 million in total compensation for 2011. Where do you think that $19.1 million comes from? Well it comes from people paying cigna for health insurance. Now if they had paid him say $3 million then that's $16.1 million less people could have paid for health care. Really very simple. BTW, $3 million a year is still a lot of money.

Sorry. It does not work that way.
Now, if you can prove that it does, you are a hero.
Quite frankly, an IDIOT could see the two are mutually exclusive.

Really? So who pays for these big salaries for the CEO's?

Taxpayers!

 

[thereisnospoon]

Ok since you want to keep asking the most dumb of questions. Cigna CEO David Cordani received $19.1 million in total compensation for 2011. Where do you think that $19.1 million comes from? Well it comes from people paying cigna for health insurance. Now if they had paid him say $3 million then that's $16.1 million less people could have paid for health care. Really very simple. BTW, $3 million a year is still a lot of money.

Sorry. It does not work that way.
Now, if you can prove that it does, you are a hero.
Quite frankly, an IDIOT could see the two are mutually exclusive.

Really? So who pays for these big salaries for the CEO's?

I told you earlier. Most executive pay is based on stock performance and profits.
You are projecting the zero sum game. Which has been debunked as socialist nonsense.

 

[Brain357]

Ok..In what way have YOU been hosed by the rich...
You personally.
Give an example.

Large corporations are not taking care of their employees. They have moved jobs overseas increasing welfare. Wages are poor so food stamps increases. They no longer pay out good benefits so now we have obamacare. They no longer pay pensions so more and more need social security. Government continues to grow because of this. Our country is going deeper and deeper into debt, we are all affected.

It is not the job of business to 'take care' of their employees.
The employee/employer relationship is merely a contract of service.
The employer agrees to pay the employee as long as the employee fulfills the terms and conditions of employment. It's just that simple.
Which jobs have moved overseas?
Defined benefit pensions are simply no longer sustainable. Those pensions made GM crumble to its knees.
Most states have tens or even hundreds of billions of dollars in unfunded pension obligations.
You believe these benefits are an entitlement. An expectation. I get it.
You have an opinion.
The fact is, a business negotiated with each employee the compensation package. That has not changed.
Lastly, workers are free to move to any employer they wish. Companies use these fringe benefits to attract the best prospects.
Now, you did not answer the question.
Once again, how have YOU been hosed by the rich?

Well you see if corporations aren't going to do those things then the government will. That is how government is growing. Do you like big government that much? I made it pretty clear we are all getting hosed with all this corporate welfare.

 

[Brain357]

Sorry. It does not work that way.
Now, if you can prove that it does, you are a hero.
Quite frankly, an IDIOT could see the two are mutually exclusive.

Really? So who pays for these big salaries for the CEO's?

I told you earlier. Most executive pay is based on stock performance and profits.
You are projecting the zero sum game. Which has been debunked as socialist nonsense.

Oh so your saying ceo's haven't tanked companies while making lots of money? Really?

 

[The Rabbi]

Large corporations are not taking care of their employees. They have moved jobs overseas increasing welfare. Wages are poor so food stamps increases. They no longer pay out good benefits so now we have obamacare. They no longer pay pensions so more and more need social security. Government continues to grow because of this. Our country is going deeper and deeper into debt, we are all affected.

It is not the job of business to 'take care' of their employees.
The employee/employer relationship is merely a contract of service.
The employer agrees to pay the employee as long as the employee fulfills the terms and conditions of employment. It's just that simple.
Which jobs have moved overseas?
Defined benefit pensions are simply no longer sustainable. Those pensions made GM crumble to its knees.
Most states have tens or even hundreds of billions of dollars in unfunded pension obligations.
You believe these benefits are an entitlement. An expectation. I get it.
You have an opinion.
The fact is, a business negotiated with each employee the compensation package. That has not changed.
Lastly, workers are free to move to any employer they wish. Companies use these fringe benefits to attract the best prospects.
Now, you did not answer the question.
Once again, how have YOU been hosed by the rich?

Well you see if corporations aren't going to do those things then the government will. That is how government is growing. Do you like big government that much? I made it pretty clear we are all getting hosed with all this corporate welfare.

Damn. I vote for the government. I dont vote for corporations. Let's abolish corporations and make it fair for everyone!

 

[The Rabbi]

Really? So who pays for these big salaries for the CEO's?

I told you earlier. Most executive pay is based on stock performance and profits.
You are projecting the zero sum game. Which has been debunked as socialist nonsense.

Oh so your saying ceo's haven't tanked companies while making lots of money? Really?

Yes, every one of them. That's why there are no companies in business today.

 

[Brain357]

Ok..In what way have YOU been hosed by the rich...
You personally.
Give an example.

Large corporations are not taking care of their employees. They have moved jobs overseas increasing welfare. Wages are poor so food stamps increases. They no longer pay out good benefits so now we have obamacare. They no longer pay pensions so more and more need social security. Government continues to grow because of this. Our country is going deeper and deeper into debt, we are all affected.

It is not the job of business to 'take care' of their employees.
The employee/employer relationship is merely a contract of service.
The employer agrees to pay the employee as long as the employee fulfills the terms and conditions of employment. It's just that simple.
Which jobs have moved overseas?
Defined benefit pensions are simply no longer sustainable. Those pensions made GM crumble to its knees.
Most states have tens or even hundreds of billions of dollars in unfunded pension obligations.
You believe these benefits are an entitlement. An expectation. I get it.
You have an opinion.
The fact is, a business negotiated with each employee the compensation package. That has not changed.
Lastly, workers are free to move to any employer they wish. Companies use these fringe benefits to attract the best prospects.
Now, you did not answer the question.
Once again, how have YOU been hosed by the rich?

Oh it wasn't pensions that made GM crumble. It was making lots of really crappy cars. All those high paid execs made a lot of poor choices.

 

[The Rabbi]

Large corporations are not taking care of their employees. They have moved jobs overseas increasing welfare. Wages are poor so food stamps increases. They no longer pay out good benefits so now we have obamacare. They no longer pay pensions so more and more need social security. Government continues to grow because of this. Our country is going deeper and deeper into debt, we are all affected.

It is not the job of business to 'take care' of their employees.
The employee/employer relationship is merely a contract of service.
The employer agrees to pay the employee as long as the employee fulfills the terms and conditions of employment. It's just that simple.
Which jobs have moved overseas?
Defined benefit pensions are simply no longer sustainable. Those pensions made GM crumble to its knees.
Most states have tens or even hundreds of billions of dollars in unfunded pension obligations.
You believe these benefits are an entitlement. An expectation. I get it.
You have an opinion.
The fact is, a business negotiated with each employee the compensation package. That has not changed.
Lastly, workers are free to move to any employer they wish. Companies use these fringe benefits to attract the best prospects.
Now, you did not answer the question.
Once again, how have YOU been hosed by the rich?

Oh it wasn't pensions that made GM crumble. It was making lots of really crappy cars. All those high paid execs made a lot of poor choices.

Yes, just because labor cost per car was higher for GM than any other maker doesnt mean a thing. It was all high paid executives adding thousands of nano-cents to the cost of each car that made them uncompetitive.

 

[thereisnospoon]

No, they aren't. You think they are because you've made bad life choices and envy the rich.
The truth is there is no free lunch. Someone pays for it. Someone paid for company health benefits. Health costs have risen far more than inflation for 30 years. You cannot expect companies to continue to foot the bill for that.
Repeat: There is no free lunch. There is no free lunch.

The cost of medical care has risen for many reasons.
One, government mandates on insurance coverage. Two the proliferation of health insurance together with the unrealistic expectation that medical insurance should provide first dollar coverage.
Three, government interference in the dispensing of care. Four, tumbling reimbursements to care givers who treat medicare and medicaid patients.

Don't forget grossly high executive pay.

Not true....
Insurance companies for the most part are publicly held corporations. And as such the primary function is to turn a profit for all investors.
That means the boards of directors which hold the majority of the stock, right down to the 401k and mutual fund holders and yes, even pension funds which are invested in these firms.
The sad fact is insurance companies stopped being heath insurance carriers once government stuck it's nose into the industry.

 

[Brain357]

It is not the job of business to 'take care' of their employees.
The employee/employer relationship is merely a contract of service.
The employer agrees to pay the employee as long as the employee fulfills the terms and conditions of employment. It's just that simple.
Which jobs have moved overseas?
Defined benefit pensions are simply no longer sustainable. Those pensions made GM crumble to its knees.
Most states have tens or even hundreds of billions of dollars in unfunded pension obligations.
You believe these benefits are an entitlement. An expectation. I get it.
You have an opinion.
The fact is, a business negotiated with each employee the compensation package. That has not changed.
Lastly, workers are free to move to any employer they wish. Companies use these fringe benefits to attract the best prospects.
Now, you did not answer the question.
Once again, how have YOU been hosed by the rich?

Oh it wasn't pensions that made GM crumble. It was making lots of really crappy cars. All those high paid execs made a lot of poor choices.

Yes, just because labor cost per car was higher for GM than any other maker doesnt mean a thing. It was all high paid executives adding thousands of nano-cents to the cost of each car that made them uncompetitive.

They made lots of really crappy cars. That is why the Japanese companies stole so much market share. They were making much better cars.

 

[The Rabbi]

Oh it wasn't pensions that made GM crumble. It was making lots of really crappy cars. All those high paid execs made a lot of poor choices.

Yes, just because labor cost per car was higher for GM than any other maker doesnt mean a thing. It was all high paid executives adding thousands of nano-cents to the cost of each car that made them uncompetitive.

They made lots of really crappy cars. That is why the Japanese companies stole so much market share. They were making much better cars.

Yeah, Cadillac. Hummer. Shitty cars all of them.

 

[Brain357]

The cost of medical care has risen for many reasons.
One, government mandates on insurance coverage. Two the proliferation of health insurance together with the unrealistic expectation that medical insurance should provide first dollar coverage.
Three, government interference in the dispensing of care. Four, tumbling reimbursements to care givers who treat medicare and medicaid patients.

Don't forget grossly high executive pay.

Not true....
Insurance companies for the most part are publicly held corporations. And as such the primary function is to turn a profit for all investors.
That means the boards of directors which hold the majority of the stock, right down to the 401k and mutual fund holders and yes, even pension funds which are invested in these firms.
The sad fact is insurance companies stopped being heath insurance carriers once government stuck it's nose into the industry.

It's not just insurance companies. There are grossly overpaid executives at hospitals (Richard Bracken $46.4 million), distributors of medical supplies (John Hammergren $51.7), manufacturers of drugs and medical supplies, drug stores.... Your pretty foolish if you think the customer doesn't pay for this.

 

[Brain357]

Yes, just because labor cost per car was higher for GM than any other maker doesnt mean a thing. It was all high paid executives adding thousands of nano-cents to the cost of each car that made them uncompetitive.

They made lots of really crappy cars. That is why the Japanese companies stole so much market share. They were making much better cars.

Yeah, Cadillac. Hummer. Shitty cars all of them.

Cadillac lost tons of market to BMW, Lexus, Acura, Audi... They used to be the Cadillac of cars then they weren't so good... Oh Hummer, didn't they sell that to some Chinese company? Sure they were great.

 

[The Rabbi]

Don't forget grossly high executive pay.

Not true....
Insurance companies for the most part are publicly held corporations. And as such the primary function is to turn a profit for all investors.
That means the boards of directors which hold the majority of the stock, right down to the 401k and mutual fund holders and yes, even pension funds which are invested in these firms.
The sad fact is insurance companies stopped being heath insurance carriers once government stuck it's nose into the industry.

It's not just insurance companies. There are grossly overpaid executives at hospitals (Richard Bracken $46.4 million), distributors of medical supplies (John Hammergren $51.7), manufacturers of drugs and medical supplies, drug stores.... Your pretty foolish if you think the customer doesn't pay for this.

Yeah, that's why computers are so cheap. Their CEOs work for peanuts.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Large corporations are not taking care of their employees. They have moved jobs overseas increasing welfare. Wages are poor so food stamps increases. They no longer pay out good benefits so now we have obamacare. They no longer pay pensions so more and more need social security. Government continues to grow because of this. Our country is going deeper and deeper into debt, we are all affected.

It is not the job of business to 'take care' of their employees.
The employee/employer relationship is merely a contract of service.
The employer agrees to pay the employee as long as the employee fulfills the terms and conditions of employment. It's just that simple.
Which jobs have moved overseas?
Defined benefit pensions are simply no longer sustainable. Those pensions made GM crumble to its knees.
Most states have tens or even hundreds of billions of dollars in unfunded pension obligations.
You believe these benefits are an entitlement. An expectation. I get it.
You have an opinion.
The fact is, a business negotiated with each employee the compensation package. That has not changed.
Lastly, workers are free to move to any employer they wish. Companies use these fringe benefits to attract the best prospects.
Now, you did not answer the question.
Once again, how have YOU been hosed by the rich?

Well you see if corporations aren't going to do those things then the government will. That is how government is growing. Do you like big government that much? I made it pretty clear we are all getting hosed with all this corporate welfare.

There is no correlation between the employer/employee relationship and social programs.
Politicians make those grow irrespective of business. Why do they do this? Because it guarantees them a certain voting base.
The only thing you make clear is your constant whining and complaining.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Don't forget grossly high executive pay.

Not true....
Insurance companies for the most part are publicly held corporations. And as such the primary function is to turn a profit for all investors.
That means the boards of directors which hold the majority of the stock, right down to the 401k and mutual fund holders and yes, even pension funds which are invested in these firms.
The sad fact is insurance companies stopped being heath insurance carriers once government stuck it's nose into the industry.

It's not just insurance companies. There are grossly overpaid executives at hospitals (Richard Bracken $46.4 million), distributors of medical supplies (John Hammergren $51.7), manufacturers of drugs and medical supplies, drug stores.... Your pretty foolish if you think the customer doesn't pay for this.

Again, the zero sum game has been debunked. It's nonsense.

 

[Brain357]

It is not the job of business to 'take care' of their employees.
The employee/employer relationship is merely a contract of service.
The employer agrees to pay the employee as long as the employee fulfills the terms and conditions of employment. It's just that simple.
Which jobs have moved overseas?
Defined benefit pensions are simply no longer sustainable. Those pensions made GM crumble to its knees.
Most states have tens or even hundreds of billions of dollars in unfunded pension obligations.
You believe these benefits are an entitlement. An expectation. I get it.
You have an opinion.
The fact is, a business negotiated with each employee the compensation package. That has not changed.
Lastly, workers are free to move to any employer they wish. Companies use these fringe benefits to attract the best prospects.
Now, you did not answer the question.
Once again, how have YOU been hosed by the rich?

Well you see if corporations aren't going to do those things then the government will. That is how government is growing. Do you like big government that much? I made it pretty clear we are all getting hosed with all this corporate welfare.

There is no correlation between the employer/employee relationship and social programs.
Politicians make those grow irrespective of business. Why do they do this? Because it guarantees them a certain voting base.
The only thing you make clear is your constant whining and complaining.

If corporations provided these things there would be no need for government to do it. Corporations are creating the need and government is filling it.

 

[Brain357]

Not true....
Insurance companies for the most part are publicly held corporations. And as such the primary function is to turn a profit for all investors.
That means the boards of directors which hold the majority of the stock, right down to the 401k and mutual fund holders and yes, even pension funds which are invested in these firms.
The sad fact is insurance companies stopped being heath insurance carriers once government stuck it's nose into the industry.

It's not just insurance companies. There are grossly overpaid executives at hospitals (Richard Bracken $46.4 million), distributors of medical supplies (John Hammergren $51.7), manufacturers of drugs and medical supplies, drug stores.... Your pretty foolish if you think the customer doesn't pay for this.

Again, the zero sum game has been debunked. It's nonsense.

So your saying corporations don't pay salaries with money from customers? Really?

 

[The Rabbi]

It's not just insurance companies. There are grossly overpaid executives at hospitals (Richard Bracken $46.4 million), distributors of medical supplies (John Hammergren $51.7), manufacturers of drugs and medical supplies, drug stores.... Your pretty foolish if you think the customer doesn't pay for this.

Again, the zero sum game has been debunked. It's nonsense.

So your saying corporations don't pay salaries with money from customers? Really?

Damn, that's like THEFT or something, isn't it?

 

[The T]

Don't forget grossly high executive pay.

Not true....
Insurance companies for the most part are publicly held corporations. And as such the primary function is to turn a profit for all investors.
That means the boards of directors which hold the majority of the stock, right down to the 401k and mutual fund holders and yes, even pension funds which are invested in these firms.
The sad fact is insurance companies stopped being heath insurance carriers once government stuck it's nose into the industry.

It's not just insurance companies. There are grossly overpaid executives at hospitals (Richard Bracken $46.4 million), distributors of medical supplies (John Hammergren $51.7), manufacturers of drugs and medical supplies, drug stores.... Your pretty foolish if you think the customer doesn't pay for this.

yeah they just stole it, didn't they? Guess what numbnutz? It isn't YOUR money, is it? Get over it and yourself. Wealth envy isn't pretty, and YOU are quite ugly.