Obama/Unions Screwing Americans is Fun

[The Rabbi]

Really? When I started working I didn't have to pay anything for my healthcare at my job. That was the case for most people.

Oh right companies can pay CEO's gross amounts of money, but they can't afford to keep jobs here. Sure they can't. You mean they can't keep jobs here and pay grossly large salaries to top execs.

Repeat after me: There is no such thing as a free lunch.
Repeat it many times until you understand it. Then post again.

Blame the left if you want, but it's the rich making it possible for government to grow. While they get richer the government is doing more and more to take care of people. And the gov will just continue to grow and grow. Which seems to be what the republicans really want.

Repeat after me: There is no such thing as a free lunch.

 

[thereisnospoon]

The AMA negotiates terms and salaries for all their members?
Uh, no they dont.

Another fail from a lo-lo poster.

An organization that controls how many people attend medical school has a definite impact on salaries.

Another fail from a knee jerk Free Marketer.

Doctors, Medical Students Abandon AMA in Search of Alternatives

The American Medical Association lost 5 percent of its membership last year as the physician group faced fallout from its endorsement of Obamacare and refusal to retreat from the law’s most controversial provisions.

As physicians and medical school students back away from the well-known organization, they’re turning to upstarts like Docs4PatientCare and the Benjamin Rush Society, two alternatives to the AMA.

Docs4PatientCare maintains contact with about 4,000 physicians who are primarily concerned about preserving the doctor-patient relationship. Many of them became active after the AMA’s endorsement of Obamacare in 2009. That endorsement was touted by President Obama and liberals in Congress to build support for the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

The Benjamin Rush Society has 13 chapters across the country, mostly at medical schools. It was created to offer an alternative perspective to government-run health care. The group’s members include medical students, residents, fellows and doctors.

Both groups are an alternative to the AMA, which has watched its membership erode in recent years. The recent one-year decline of 12,000 members is the latest indication of the AMA’s waning influence.

Even at the height of the Obamacare debate, the AMA represented only 17 percent of physicians in America. Of those members, about one-third are in training (residents or students) and a number are retired or in academic medicine. Physicians pay $420 to be an AMA member.

Doctors, Medical Students Abandon AMA in Search of Alternatives | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News from The Heritage Foundation

Well to the lib, that means doctors are turning against their union brothers. And the ones still working must be 'scabs'...

 

[thereisnospoon]

An organization that controls how many people attend medical school has a definite impact on salaries.

Another fail from a knee jerk Free Marketer.

You are a giant fail. I would frankly be embarrassed to have posts like yours associated with me. The AMA is a union like the NRA is a union. It isn't. It is in fact merely deflection on your part. And a pretty piss poor one at that.
Go back to watching Sat cartoons, Sonny. Leave the adults alone.

Wow! An ad hominem laden post by TheRabbi...what a shock.

Once again I will post the Immigration Bills supported by BOTH parties that will destroy American Physicians and Health Professionals forever...
S744
HR2131

These bills will destroy any Health related union and the careers of just about every American physician and I'm sure these Bills will give you a hard-on.

Hey...here's the final word on this....Unions blow donkey dick.
We Americans are SICK of labor collectives.
And it's working. We're kicking them out. 7%....
That is the percentage of private sector workers' union membership.

 

[thereisnospoon]

An organization that controls how many people attend medical school has a definite impact on salaries.

Another fail from a knee jerk Free Marketer.

You are a giant fail. I would frankly be embarrassed to have posts like yours associated with me. The AMA is a union like the NRA is a union. It isn't. It is in fact merely deflection on your part. And a pretty piss poor one at that.
Go back to watching Sat cartoons, Sonny. Leave the adults alone.

Doctors, Medical Students Abandon AMA in Search of Alternatives

The American Medical Association lost 5 percent of its membership last year as the physician group faced fallout from its endorsement of Obamacare and refusal to retreat from the law’s most controversial provisions.

As physicians and medical school students back away from the well-known organization, they’re turning to upstarts like Docs4PatientCare and the Benjamin Rush Society, two alternatives to the AMA.

Docs4PatientCare maintains contact with about 4,000 physicians who are primarily concerned about preserving the doctor-patient relationship. Many of them became active after the AMA’s endorsement of Obamacare in 2009. That endorsement was touted by President Obama and liberals in Congress to build support for the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

The Benjamin Rush Society has 13 chapters across the country, mostly at medical schools. It was created to offer an alternative perspective to government-run health care. The group’s members include medical students, residents, fellows and doctors.

Both groups are an alternative to the AMA, which has watched its membership erode in recent years. The recent one-year decline of 12,000 members is the latest indication of the AMA’s waning influence.

Even at the height of the Obamacare debate, the AMA represented only 17 percent of physicians in America. Of those members, about one-third are in training (residents or students) and a number are retired or in academic medicine. Physicians pay $420 to be an AMA member.

Doctors, Medical Students Abandon AMA in Search of Alternatives | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News from The Heritage Foundation

The careers of American physicians are being ended due to Business Visas.
If the AMA uses it's power to control the number of students entering into medicine, big business is tossing their power aside by inundating America with Indians.
Can't wait to see every successful physician in your wealthy area being laid off by the corporations who are buying over their practices.

Concrete example...
A physician who signs on with Pro-Health has a two year contract.
Most of them know they will be replaced by an Indian at contract's end.

Why would a real union go out of it's way to hurt it's members?
So God damned stupid.

 

[thereisnospoon]

An organization that controls how many people attend medical school has a definite impact on salaries.

Another fail from a knee jerk Free Marketer.

The AMA has an illegal monopoly on law school admissions?

We are discusing Health Field related salaries.
What does Law School have to do with the AMA?
Focus.

No..You've attempted to derail the thread.
This will no longer be permitted.

 

[thereisnospoon]

So watch the unions lose power and the middle class disappear, brainwashed chumps of the greedy rich...

Hey shit for brains....With just 7% of the total workforce ( private sector) unions have very little to do with the middle class of today.
Unions are DONE.

 

[bedowin62]

So watch the unions lose power and the middle class disappear, brainwashed chumps of the greedy rich...

Hey shit for brains....With just 7% of the total workforce ( private sector) unions have very little to do with the middle class of today.
Unions are DONE.

yawn; more people belong to public servic unions nowadays; so your 7% number is irrelevant; those unions are destroying the finances of cities and states across the nation

you're a joke; like most of the self-deceiving idiots on the Left here

 

[thereisnospoon]

Sooooo Why do regular hard working Americans get stuck with the bill while Unions get a sweetheart (above the LAW) deal from Obama on Obamacare. Could it be because if you're not in a union then you deserve to get screwed over by the Democratic (?) Party, sure seems that way. They even screw over regular hard working Democrats when possible.

You won't hear this on MSNBC... They'll probably get an exemption also..

Sen. Thune: Obamacare carve-out for unions is 'outrageous' | On Air Videos | Fox News

Guy, if we all had Union Medical Plans, we wouldn't have a health care crisis. Union Medical plans are AWESOME compared to what employers offer.

More socialist rhetoric.....
Who the hell do you think would pay for it?
Did you think that union health plans were funded by the tooth fairy?
No. They are funded by business. And what does business do? They pass the cost along to the end user.
Case and point. Pre bailout The cost per unit rolling off a GM assembly line was $2500 to cover wages benefits and pensions.
Meanwhile, non union plants such as San Antonio's Toyota plant where the avg line worker earns over $70k per year, that cost is about $1200 per unit. Half...
The Georgetown ,KY Toyota plant pays just over union scale...Just to keep out the union. Same goes for the VW plant in Chattanooga, TN..
Where's the problem?
You keep hanging on to the "good old days"....

 

[Brain357]

Repeat after me: There is no such thing as a free lunch.
Repeat it many times until you understand it. Then post again.

Blame the left if you want, but it's the rich making it possible for government to grow. While they get richer the government is doing more and more to take care of people. And the gov will just continue to grow and grow. Which seems to be what the republicans really want.

Repeat after me: There is no such thing as a free lunch.

Repeat after me, the rich are hosing us all.

 

[Jughead]

Unions are actually weakening, thank God.

Yup. Hopefully we'll keep seeing an increase in the number of right to work states.

Yes that's working out really well for the rich. Of course everyone else has flat wages, poor or no healthcare, bad or no retirement benefits... No wonder government keeps growing to take care of people.

If I have the right credentials for a job, and the company won't hire me if I refuse to join their union, that would be very unfair. With unions, companies often are forced to pass up qualified candidates in favor of less qualified ones because some of the qualified candidates want nothing to do with the union. As a result, the talent pool of the company suffers. However, companies are getting smarter, as many of them are unionless, giving them the leeway to hire the most qualified candidates.

 

[The Rabbi]

Blame the left if you want, but it's the rich making it possible for government to grow. While they get richer the government is doing more and more to take care of people. And the gov will just continue to grow and grow. Which seems to be what the republicans really want.

Repeat after me: There is no such thing as a free lunch.

Repeat after me, the rich are hosing us all.

No, they aren't. You think they are because you've made bad life choices and envy the rich.
The truth is there is no free lunch. Someone pays for it. Someone paid for company health benefits. Health costs have risen far more than inflation for 30 years. You cannot expect companies to continue to foot the bill for that.
Repeat: There is no free lunch. There is no free lunch.

 

[Brain357]

Yup. Hopefully we'll keep seeing an increase in the number of right to work states.

Yes that's working out really well for the rich. Of course everyone else has flat wages, poor or no healthcare, bad or no retirement benefits... No wonder government keeps growing to take care of people.

If I have the right credentials for a job, and the company won't hire me if I refuse to join their union, that would be very unfair. With unions, companies often are forced to pass up qualified candidates in favor of less qualified ones because some of the qualified candidates want nothing to do with the union. As a result, the talent pool of the company suffers. However, companies are getting smarter, as many of them are unionless, giving them the leeway to hire the most qualified candidates.

They have figured out it is cheaper for the government to take care of their workers. Hence why we have more and more government.

 

[Brain357]

Repeat after me: There is no such thing as a free lunch.

Repeat after me, the rich are hosing us all.

No, they aren't. You think they are because you've made bad life choices and envy the rich.
The truth is there is no free lunch. Someone pays for it. Someone paid for company health benefits. Health costs have risen far more than inflation for 30 years. You cannot expect companies to continue to foot the bill for that.
Repeat: There is no free lunch. There is no free lunch.

Of course companies can't pay for it, but they can afford to pay execs grossly high wages? Really? You prefer the government pays for it I guess. Just don't understand you big government people.

 

[The Rabbi]

Repeat after me, the rich are hosing us all.

No, they aren't. You think they are because you've made bad life choices and envy the rich.
The truth is there is no free lunch. Someone pays for it. Someone paid for company health benefits. Health costs have risen far more than inflation for 30 years. You cannot expect companies to continue to foot the bill for that.
Repeat: There is no free lunch. There is no free lunch.

Of course companies can't pay for it, but they can afford to pay execs grossly high wages? Really? You prefer the government pays for it I guess. Just don't understand you big government people.

OK you did blow your brains out with a .357. That explains your absurd posts.

 

[Brain357]

No, they aren't. You think they are because you've made bad life choices and envy the rich.
The truth is there is no free lunch. Someone pays for it. Someone paid for company health benefits. Health costs have risen far more than inflation for 30 years. You cannot expect companies to continue to foot the bill for that.
Repeat: There is no free lunch. There is no free lunch.

Of course companies can't pay for it, but they can afford to pay execs grossly high wages? Really? You prefer the government pays for it I guess. Just don't understand you big government people.

OK you did blow your brains out with a .357. That explains your absurd posts.

Really so they can afford to pay execs huge salaries, but you actually believe they can't pay for healthcare for employees? If you buy that your not very bright.

 

[The Rabbi]

Of course companies can't pay for it, but they can afford to pay execs grossly high wages? Really? You prefer the government pays for it I guess. Just don't understand you big government people.

OK you did blow your brains out with a .357. That explains your absurd posts.

Really so they can afford to pay execs huge salaries, but you actually believe they can't pay for healthcare for employees? If you buy that your not very bright.

What do they spend on healthcare?
What do they spend on salaries?
What do they get for their health care expenses?
What do they get for their salaries?

You blew your brains out with a .357 so wont be able to answer these questions.

 

[Brain357]

OK you did blow your brains out with a .357. That explains your absurd posts.

Really so they can afford to pay execs huge salaries, but you actually believe they can't pay for healthcare for employees? If you buy that your not very bright.

What do they spend on healthcare?
What do they spend on salaries?
What do they get for their health care expenses?
What do they get for their salaries?

You blew your brains out with a .357 so wont be able to answer these questions.

If the top execs make a few million less does that leave more money to spend on healthcare?

 

[AvgGuyIA]

The funny thing is now the unions are squawking about Obamacare and its ill effect on them
Screw them They helped put the guy in office. They supported Obamacare. Let them live with it.

Union members aren't like the rest of us, they get "above the law" exemptions.

The worst part of all this is that our non-union liberal brothers don't give a shit. It's frustrating as hell. They know its wrong and why Obama is allowing it. Is just like holding off fully implementing Obamacare until after the 2016 elections. They have absolutely no scruples at all.

 

[The Rabbi]

Really so they can afford to pay execs huge salaries, but you actually believe they can't pay for healthcare for employees? If you buy that your not very bright.

What do they spend on healthcare?
What do they spend on salaries?
What do they get for their health care expenses?
What do they get for their salaries?

You blew your brains out with a .357 so wont be able to answer these questions.

If the top execs make a few million less does that leave more money to spend on healthcare?

Answer the questions, asshole.

 

[Brain357]

What do they spend on healthcare?
What do they spend on salaries?
What do they get for their health care expenses?
What do they get for their salaries?

You blew your brains out with a .357 so wont be able to answer these questions.

If the top execs make a few million less does that leave more money to spend on healthcare?

Answer the questions, asshole.

Your questions don't matter, answer mine. It's just math, you can do it.