Obama to seek congress approval

[SherriMunnerlyn]

As Washington is looking at a possible strike on Syria, people around the world continue to denounce any US military intervention in the Middle Eastern countryHundreds of people protested at New York's Times Square on Friday over US plans to attack Syria which the White House accuses of launching a deadly chemical attack.*Retired school teacher Robert Shainwald said he was against any military action against Syria.*“I do not want this nation to become involved in yet another war. People always lose, no matter what side. Enough is enough. We should just stay the hell out,” he said. PressTV - People in US and Australia protest against US strike on Syria Protests against an unlawful US attack on Syria grow.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Sherri, where is your proof that a potential U.S attack on Syria is an Israeli plan ?












BTW, I'm willing to bet Sherri ignores this question, like she always done when called out on her lies and bullshit Arab propaganda claims

http://www.usmessageboard.com/middl...pts-syrian-order-to-launch-chemical-wmds.html

 

[toastman]

What did I tell you guys ?

 

[toastman]

Sherri, where is your proof that a potential U.S attack on Syria is an Israeli plan ?












BTW, I'm willing to bet Sherri ignores this question, like she always done when called out on her lies and bullshit Arab propaganda claims

http://www.usmessageboard.com/middl...pts-syrian-order-to-launch-chemical-wmds.html

Well that's nice and all, but you didn't answer my question...

 

[Mr. H.]

Part of me says "bomb that *****".

And there's the "stay away" part.

But all me says "**** Obama" the loser.

Such an ineffective and ineffectual idiot. I wouldn't give a shit if the guy was purple. What a goddamn moron. A clown in a rodeo show.

Hey-there's an idea!

 

[Hoffstra]

Congressional Republican leaders, ALL of them, support this move by Obama.

even Ted Cruz supports it.

 

[Hoffstra]

hmmm, ALL of the Republican Congressional leadership supports Obama's decision.

when they support Obama's decisions, you know it must be right.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

People have forgotten how bitter an enemy the Soviet Union was and the relief when it ended, and our relations at least warmed with Putin and Russia. And now people just take that for granted that things can continue this way, but why anger Russia and cause intense pressure for the rivalry to rekindle over a Civil War in Syria that we can simply ignore like we did with the gassing of the Kurds when it suited us? Is all this worth it?

Syria Could Unite Russia and China Against the U.S. - Bloomberg

A U.S.-backed military intervention would lead to a deep rupture with the leadership in Moscow. Russia wouldn’t try to stand in the way militarily, but it might well be driven to forge a stronger strategic partnership with China, which also opposes foreign military interventions in the Middle East and has joined Russia in vetoing UN Security Council resolutions on Syria.

China has been ambivalent in the past about Russian overtures to ally against the U.S., but that’s changing due to concerns over the implications of Obama’s pivot to Asia. There have recently been calls from within the Chinese military for an alliance with Russia to stand up to the U.S. pressure. China’s political leadership, for the time being, remains skeptical, and so does Putin. But in Moscow, too, there’s a pro-China lobby, and Western intervention in Syria could provide the catalyst for a strategic rebalancing, with wide-ranging implications for the U.S.

Putin has been in Beijing this week to meet Chinese leaders, including at a summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, a regional security and development arrangement focused on Central Asia...

Russian officials today hit back at the United States and its allies after Secretary of State John Kerry warned Monday that the Syrian government would face consequences for last week's alleged chemical weapons attack.

A statement from the Russian Foreign Ministry this morning warned of "catastrophic consequences" for Syria and the region if the United States and its allies intervene. It also expressed "serious disappointment" after the United States announced it would back out of a meeting this week with Russian officials to plan a long-delayed peace conference. ...

Russia Warns of 'Catastrophic Consequences' If US Meddles in Syria - ABC News

Why take these chances over nothing, when there are Civil Wars all over the world and always have been?

Except, we know that the U.S. wants to stop Iran's nuclear program, and after all our victories in the Middle East, why should people then care if we conquer them too, but it would be much easier to do away with Iran's main ally Syria first, so is this a veiled effort to win a war with Iran?

When it comes time to invade Iran, if Russia still hasn't done anything, they are going to be sorely tempted to invade Georgia again, and then keep going to retake their former satellite countries of Armenia and Azerbaijan, all the way to the Iran border to most effectively deal with our aggression. They could roll through there with their ground forces in a few days and then have a good justification for it.

 

[J.E.D]

Now when the shit backfires , he will blame Congress , the old cover your ass Obama tactic

If he doesn't seek congressional approval he's an unconstitutional dictator; if he does seek congressional approval, he's only looking out for himself.

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

Nothing to see here, folks. Just more hypocritical bullshit from the USMB Wingnut Brigade.

 

[proudveteran06]

Some would like to deceive themselves into thinking the desires of the American people who do not want a war in Syria do not matter. I am watching a massive American Anti War Campaign be birthed in my nation and it is awesome to behold. What Irony, the roles played by Institutions like moveon.org, town hall meetings organized by Quakers and Anti War groups. This Israeli plan to get the US to attack Syria is going to back fire big time against Israel. Americans are tired of fighting wars for Israel, killing innocent civilians in the ME for Israel. ENOUGH is Enough!

" Israeli Plan? " lol Have news for you. Israel doesn't give a hoot about what is going on there. Instead of bringing Israel into the conversation why not condemn Assad? Are you telling us its a lie ? If the same were reported in the West Bank you would believe it then Arab killing Arab. No indignation ; Pro Palestinian Mentality

 

[Redfish]

Now when the shit backfires , he will blame Congress , the old cover your ass Obama tactic

If he doesn't seek congressional approval he's an unconstitutional dictator; if he does seek congressional approval, he's only looking out for himself.

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

Nothing to see here, folks. Just more hypocritical bullshit from the USMB Wingnut Brigade.

you are correct about one thing, obozo has backed himself into a box with no excape route. thats what idiots do, and obama is a idiot.

 

[Sallow]

I refuse to give Obama credit for this decision. Popular opinion influenced his decision. It's all about politics, and saving face for the Democratic party. It's a good example of a politician doing the right thing for the wrong reason.

Of course "popular" opinion influenced his decision.

It's called "The Will of the People."

 

[Sallow]

Now when the shit backfires , he will blame Congress , the old cover your ass Obama tactic

If he doesn't seek congressional approval he's an unconstitutional dictator; if he does seek congressional approval, he's only looking out for himself.

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

Nothing to see here, folks. Just more hypocritical bullshit from the USMB Wingnut Brigade.

you are correct about one thing, obozo has backed himself into a box with no excape route. thats what idiots do, and obama is a idiot.

He absolutely did not.

What he did was follow the Constitution.

My bet is that congress is going to screw this one up.

Big time.

 

[Hoffstra]

If he doesn't seek congressional approval he's an unconstitutional dictator; if he does seek congressional approval, he's only looking out for himself.

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

Nothing to see here, folks. Just more hypocritical bullshit from the USMB Wingnut Brigade.

you are correct about one thing, obozo has backed himself into a box with no excape route. thats what idiots do, and obama is a idiot.

He absolutely did not.

What he did was follow the Constitution.

My bet is that congress is going to screw this one up.

Big time.

I think there is a good chance the Republicans will say "YES"

 

[Sallow]

actually my friends this is one of those moments political junky’s live for, the game is truly afoot.........they are all, all right now calculating the up and downsides…some I thought of;

Vote no

- assad uses gas again, you will be made to look like accessories to murder, Obama will certainly make that case , not quite in those terms if it’s the dems how are instrumental in voting it down - unless it’s the gop that tips the scales , then murderers, if it’s the dems, they will be classified as intent on making sure we didn’t get dragged into a war and there just wasn’t enough evidence, whatcha ya going to do? Right? But make no mistake, he’ll do his damndest to lay it on them if its basically an equal no vote from both parties.

- it is learned that assad did NOT use the gas, the rebels did, congress is a hero( except the yes votes they naturally get hammered as warmongers, the gopers naturally) , Obama, using supreme wisdom and circumspection, hero too.

- Obama attacks anyway, crushing victory in that we get all of the wmd stockpiles, they get back to killing each other using kinetic munitions etc. Obama saves woman and kids form ghastly deaths….

-Obama attacks anyway and its basically ineffectual, assad uses gas again, no real upside here, he’ll be seen as indecisive, ineffectual and the vote may be seen as a smoke screen that cost precious time as it allowed assad to move the gas etc…..he will try and lay it off on congress anyway, blaming them for pressuring him for a vote etc., singling out the gopers who were the loudest.


Vote yes-

-Obama sends in strikes that do little, and assad uses gas again ( and it causes say , Russia to give SA-300 the latest n anti aircraft batteries, to assad or Iran) hes on the spot for flubbing/ mismanaging it . Making them vote, since he had authority anyway, look just like an ass covering move as he will no doubt try and lay blame on congress for saying yes and the ‘fortunes of war’.

-obama attacks, resounding victory, assad wmds eliminated, air force eliminated, rebels attack with renewed vigor…Obama and congress, heros. The no votes get pilloried as nancys…..



imho opinion, the smart play-is Yes.

Very astute.

Couldn't have posted it better myself.

 

[Katzndogz]

Congressional Republican leaders, ALL of them, support this move by Obama.

even Ted Cruz supports it.

Constitutionally the president is to ask for Congressional approval. It was a good move by obama to finally be bent to obeying the founding document that he took an oath to protect and defend.

As obama has already said that he is under no obligation to abide by the vote, he is telegraphing that this is a pro forma move. Okay, you want Congress to meet and vote. It's not like he thinks it will have any meaning.

Then it's off to play golf.

 

[Sallow]

Congressional Republican leaders, ALL of them, support this move by Obama.

even Ted Cruz supports it.

Constitutionally the president is to ask for Congressional approval. It was a good move by obama to finally be bent to obeying the founding document that he took an oath to protect and defend.

As obama has already said that he is under no obligation to abide by the vote, he is telegraphing that this is a pro forma move. Okay, you want Congress to meet and vote. It's not like he thinks it will have any meaning.

Then it's off to play golf.

You mean like this..

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCm9788Tb5g]George Bush "Now, Watch This Drive" - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Sallow]

Obama has the MSM on his side, and unfortunately, congress won't go against the both.

With an election coming up, polls showing the people want NO part of this? Obama is ripe for picking. The MEDIA had better get wise as well.

This will not be good for Obama or the media that to date that has been licking their chops at another conflict for readership.

THEY are on the wrong side.

If the vote is close to authorize war, there will be enough democrats to pass it. The whole thing is rigged, and Obama will exert every (underhanded) measure needed to get his way. Obama is too savvy and untouched to lose like that.

There's no need at all to do anything but let them vote.

Trajan's post above illustrates why.

 

[dilloduck]

Congressional Republican leaders, ALL of them, support this move by Obama.

even Ted Cruz supports it.

Constitutionally the president is to ask for Congressional approval. It was a good move by obama to finally be bent to obeying the founding document that he took an oath to protect and defend.

As obama has already said that he is under no obligation to abide by the vote, he is telegraphing that this is a pro forma move. Okay, you want Congress to meet and vote. It's not like he thinks it will have any meaning.

Then it's off to play golf.

You mean like this..

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCm9788Tb5g]George Bush "Now, Watch This Drive" - YouTube[/ame]

Ya ---exactly like that

So much for any change happening here. He lied to us.

 

[Jroc]

Obama is just looking for a way out. He's a poor excuse for a president, he always has been..He'll shift the responsibility to congress so he can blame them when he doesn't do anyting..I personally don't think we should get involved at this point, but Obama looks like the weak, pathetic, little man that he is..Now go play some golf Obama do us all a favor and stay there