Obama math: under new Common Core, 3 x 4 = 11

[OohPooPahDoo]

That was a very short piece of a much longer presentation, and I believe that it was taken out of context. Having not seen the complete presentation, I cannot be absolutely sure of the context, but I suspect that 3 times 4 is part of a bigger problem such as the area of a rectangle. A student would be able to score points by explaining that the area of the rectangle is length times width. Perhaps the student might lose points by making a computational error such as 3 x 4 = 11.

The context of the OP would have us believe that common core would accept the answer that 3 x 4 = 11 as long as the student could BS a reason why 3 x 4 should equal 11. I don't believe that is what the speaker is trying to say.

If asked how to find the area of a 3 by 4 rectangle, the students says multiply the length by the width. 3 x 4 = 11 square units. The teacher should congratulate the student on the correct method of doing the problem and being able to explain the correct method, while correcting the student on the incorrect computation.

Its called 'partial credit' and math teachers have been doing it for years. They did it when I was in grade school 25 years ago. The OP apparently didn't make it past times tables in school and never got to the concept of a real world problem - like take this rectangle and find its area - so the OP has never been exposed to math problems in which partial credit is even possible.

 

[daveman]

Obama math: under new Common Core, 3 x 4 = 11

Quick: what’s 3 x 4?

If you said 11 — or, hell, if you said 7, pi, or infinity squared — that’s just fine under the Common Core, the new national curriculum that the Obama administration will impose on American public school students this fall.

In a pretty amazing YouTube video, Amanda August, a curriculum coordinator in a suburb of Chicago called Grayslake, explains that getting the right answer in math just doesn’t matter as long as kids can explain the necessarily faulty reasoning they used to get to that wrong answer.

“Even if they said, ’3 x 4 was 11,’ if they were able to explain their reasoning and explain how they came up with their answer really in, umm, words and oral explanation, and they showed it in the picture but they just got the final number wrong, we’re really more focused on the how,” August says in the video.

When someone in the audience (presumably a parent, but it’s not certain) asks if teachers will be, you know, correcting students who don’t know rudimentary arithmetic instantly, August makes another meandering, longwinded statement.

Obama math: under new Common Core, 3 x 4 = 11 [VIDEO]


How about teaching the subject??? Is that too hard to ask for? Can we please adopt one of the top 5 countries educational systems. Thank you.

Not just words...words AND oral explanation. That's important, you know. Not just one; you gotta have both.



And the dumbing-down of America accelerates at Warp Factor 8.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Obama math: under new Common Core, 3 x 4 = 11

Quick: what’s 3 x 4?

If you said 11 — or, hell, if you said 7, pi, or infinity squared — that’s just fine under the Common Core, the new national curriculum that the Obama administration will impose on American public school students this fall.

In a pretty amazing YouTube video, Amanda August, a curriculum coordinator in a suburb of Chicago called Grayslake, explains that getting the right answer in math just doesn’t matter as long as kids can explain the necessarily faulty reasoning they used to get to that wrong answer.

“Even if they said, ’3 x 4 was 11,’ if they were able to explain their reasoning and explain how they came up with their answer really in, umm, words and oral explanation, and they showed it in the picture but they just got the final number wrong, we’re really more focused on the how,” August says in the video.

When someone in the audience (presumably a parent, but it’s not certain) asks if teachers will be, you know, correcting students who don’t know rudimentary arithmetic instantly, August makes another meandering, longwinded statement.

Obama math: under new Common Core, 3 x 4 = 11 [VIDEO]


How about teaching the subject??? Is that too hard to ask for? Can we please adopt one of the top 5 countries educational systems. Thank you.

Not just words...words AND oral explanation. That's important, you know. Not just one; you gotta have both.



And the dumbing-down of America accelerates at Warp Factor 8.

So now America is dumb because the lady speaking out against the Common Core can't talk right.

Got it.

 

[dilloduck]

thay allreddy ficksd speling

 

[daveman]

Only 6% of scientists identify as "Republicans" the rest are from the "I feel that 3*4=11" school of science and education, then you wonder why our infrastructure is crumbling

You see no value in understanding process rather than simply rote learning of facts?

3 X 4 = 12 should have been taught much earlier than how to find the area of a rectangle.

Teach the rote facts (like the times tables), then teach process for a more complicated idea.

Even if it hurts little Johnny Snowflake's feelings to get an answer wrong.

 

[daveman]

Obama math: under new Common Core, 3 x 4 = 11



Obama math: under new Common Core, 3 x 4 = 11 [VIDEO]


How about teaching the subject??? Is that too hard to ask for? Can we please adopt one of the top 5 countries educational systems. Thank you.

Not just words...words AND oral explanation. That's important, you know. Not just one; you gotta have both.



And the dumbing-down of America accelerates at Warp Factor 8.

So now America is dumb because the lady speaking out against the Common Core can't talk right.

Got it.

If an educator can't get ideas across clearly, an educator can't educate. I would have thought this was obvious, but I guess not -- at least for some people.

America is dumb because we've been lowering standards for years and dumping the basics in favor of liberal horseshit.

But, hey, I bet you got lots of medals for participation, didn't you?

 

[idb]

I see great value in understanding the process, there's far too little of it. However, given the current degraded state of American education, I see a real potential for abuse.

Abuse of what?
The understanding of what you're learning?
How so?

Our young people can't name three founding fathers if you spot them Adams and Jefferson. They can't name the current VP. They think the free marketplace is evil.

Yeah that kind of abuse

That makes no sense.
What has this got to do with understanding how to compute mathematical equations?

 

[testarosa]

Not just words...words AND oral explanation. That's important, you know. Not just one; you gotta have both.



And the dumbing-down of America accelerates at Warp Factor 8.

So now America is dumb because the lady speaking out against the Common Core can't talk right.

Got it.

If an educator can't get ideas across clearly, an educator can't educate. I would have thought this was obvious, but I guess not -- at least for some people.

America is dumb because we've been lowering standards for years and dumping the basics in favor of liberal horseshit.

But, hey, I bet you got lots of medals for participation, didn't you?

Money.

Funding.

They can't get it without those test scores so they lower the standards.

 

[idb]

Only 6% of scientists identify as "Republicans" the rest are from the "I feel that 3*4=11" school of science and education, then you wonder why our infrastructure is crumbling

You see no value in understanding process rather than simply rote learning of facts?

I see no value in using the process to get the answer wrong because doing so demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of the process.

I dare you to argue with me on that.

No it doesn't, you can have a fundamental understanding of a process but still get a wrong answer through a simple error.
Did you always get your quadratic equations dead right at school...even though you understood basically how to work them out?

Besides, that's what education's for - to learn how to get these things right.

 

[ScienceRocks]

That was a very short piece of a much longer presentation, and I believe that it was taken out of context. Having not seen the complete presentation, I cannot be absolutely sure of the context, but I suspect that 3 times 4 is part of a bigger problem such as the area of a rectangle. A student would be able to score points by explaining that the area of the rectangle is length times width. Perhaps the student might lose points by making a computational error such as 3 x 4 = 11.

The context of the OP would have us believe that common core would accept the answer that 3 x 4 = 11 as long as the student could BS a reason why 3 x 4 should equal 11. I don't believe that is what the speaker is trying to say.

If asked how to find the area of a 3 by 4 rectangle, the students says multiply the length by the width. 3 x 4 = 11 square units. The teacher should congratulate the student on the correct method of doing the problem and being able to explain the correct method, while correcting the student on the incorrect computation.

Its called 'partial credit' and math teachers have been doing it for years. They did it when I was in grade school 25 years ago. The OP apparently didn't make it past times tables in school and never got to the concept of a real world problem - like take this rectangle and find its area - so the OP has never been exposed to math problems in which partial credit is even possible.

lol, If you knew me and my ability in much higher math you'd laugh at your post. lol We're talking about basic math that needs to be straight forward.

 

[testarosa]

That was a very short piece of a much longer presentation, and I believe that it was taken out of context. Having not seen the complete presentation, I cannot be absolutely sure of the context, but I suspect that 3 times 4 is part of a bigger problem such as the area of a rectangle. A student would be able to score points by explaining that the area of the rectangle is length times width. Perhaps the student might lose points by making a computational error such as 3 x 4 = 11.

The context of the OP would have us believe that common core would accept the answer that 3 x 4 = 11 as long as the student could BS a reason why 3 x 4 should equal 11. I don't believe that is what the speaker is trying to say.

If asked how to find the area of a 3 by 4 rectangle, the students says multiply the length by the width. 3 x 4 = 11 square units. The teacher should congratulate the student on the correct method of doing the problem and being able to explain the correct method, while correcting the student on the incorrect computation.

Its called 'partial credit' and math teachers have been doing it for years. They did it when I was in grade school 25 years ago. The OP apparently didn't make it past times tables in school and never got to the concept of a real world problem - like take this rectangle and find its area - so the OP has never been exposed to math problems in which partial credit is even possible.

lol, If you knew me and my ability in much higher math you'd laugh at your post. lol We're talking about basic math that needs to be straight forward.

So this was your point in the other thread. Why didn't you just say so?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

What does that video have to do with "Common Core"?

 

[daveman]

So now America is dumb because the lady speaking out against the Common Core can't talk right.

Got it.

If an educator can't get ideas across clearly, an educator can't educate. I would have thought this was obvious, but I guess not -- at least for some people.

America is dumb because we've been lowering standards for years and dumping the basics in favor of liberal horseshit.

But, hey, I bet you got lots of medals for participation, didn't you?

Money.

Funding.

They can't get it without those test scores so they lower the standards.

Bingo. The liberal solution to failure: Throw money at it. If it keeps failing, throw MORE money at it.

I've been assured by the left that criticizing this waste of money on poorer and poorer results means I "hate education".

Of course, liberals are educated by the system they're screwing up, so you really can't expect them to think rationally.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

That was a very short piece of a much longer presentation, and I believe that it was taken out of context. Having not seen the complete presentation, I cannot be absolutely sure of the context, but I suspect that 3 times 4 is part of a bigger problem such as the area of a rectangle. A student would be able to score points by explaining that the area of the rectangle is length times width. Perhaps the student might lose points by making a computational error such as 3 x 4 = 11.

The context of the OP would have us believe that common core would accept the answer that 3 x 4 = 11 as long as the student could BS a reason why 3 x 4 should equal 11. I don't believe that is what the speaker is trying to say.

If asked how to find the area of a 3 by 4 rectangle, the students says multiply the length by the width. 3 x 4 = 11 square units. The teacher should congratulate the student on the correct method of doing the problem and being able to explain the correct method, while correcting the student on the incorrect computation.

Its called 'partial credit' and math teachers have been doing it for years. They did it when I was in grade school 25 years ago. The OP apparently didn't make it past times tables in school and never got to the concept of a real world problem - like take this rectangle and find its area - so the OP has never been exposed to math problems in which partial credit is even possible.

lol, If you knew me and my ability in much higher math you'd laugh at your post. lol We're talking about basic math that needs to be straight forward.

Writing l=3, w=4, and A = l x w = 3 x 4 = 11, proves that despite the arithmetic error for which the student would be docked credit, the student knows how to compute the area of a square, for which they should receive credit. That's pretty straightforward.

In my experience, long computations are frequently wrong the first time they are carried out. The ability to go back in the computation and spot your error is very important, and long computations need to be checked and re-checked many times to ensure accuracy.

 

[testarosa]

Who has kids in school using Common Core curriculum here?

Raise your hands if you're not talking of your asses.

 

[testarosa]

Yep.

 

[testarosa]

You want to talk about school and education.

Bring it.

 

[testarosa]

I don't have all night.

Go:

 

[Immanuel]

I see great value in understanding the process, there's far too little of it. However, given the current degraded state of American education, I see a real potential for abuse.

Abuse of what?
The understanding of what you're learning?
How so?

Our young people can't name three founding fathers if you spot them Adams and Jefferson. They can't name the current VP. They think the free marketplace is evil.

Yeah that kind of abuse

I am not so sure the current VP can name the current VP or get the right answer to 3 X 4 = ?

So, what do you expect?

Immie

 

[testarosa]

Abuse of what?
The understanding of what you're learning?
How so?

Our young people can't name three founding fathers if you spot them Adams and Jefferson. They can't name the current VP. They think the free marketplace is evil.

Yeah that kind of abuse

I am not so sure the current VP can name the current VP or get the right answer to 3 X 4 = ?

So, what do you expect?

Immie

Okay. I'll jump in.

Funding.

Test passing for money. Lower standards to pass the test for the money. Those tests are math/reading.

They don't even get Columbus sailed the ocean blue until 5th.

Behind the 8 ball with funding for testing.