Obama Ignores WarmerGate...

[Old Rocks]

We certainly do not expect Mr Obama to know what is happening outside his own little world do we?

Remember he had no Idea that the April 15th Tea Parties even happened.

And he didn't know About these other 16 Items either,
MyDD :: Barack I-didn't-know Obama


One has to wonder what he does know.

For sure, far more than you.

And why should he care about the Tea Parties? Other than increasing the number of Democrats in the Congress, what have they acheived?

 

[SFC Ollie]

We certainly do not expect Mr Obama to know what is happening outside his own little world do we?

Remember he had no Idea that the April 15th Tea Parties even happened.

And he didn't know About these other 16 Items either,
MyDD :: Barack I-didn't-know Obama


One has to wonder what he does know.

For sure, far more than you.

And why should he care about the Tea Parties? Other than increasing the number of Democrats in the Congress, what have they acheived?

We shall see in 11 1/2 months.

 

[Old Rocks]

We certainly do not expect Mr Obama to know what is happening outside his own little world do we?

Remember he had no Idea that the April 15th Tea Parties even happened.

And he didn't know About these other 16 Items either,
MyDD :: Barack I-didn't-know Obama


One has to wonder what he does know.

For sure, far more than you.

And why should he care about the Tea Parties? Other than increasing the number of Democrats in the Congress, what have they acheived?

We shall see in 11 1/2 months.

Yes, we shall see.

 

[Old Rocks]

More on how the doubt industry works.


Wunder Blog : Weather Underground

The Manufactured Doubt industry and the hacked email controversy
Posted by: JeffMasters, 3:07 PM GMT on November 25, 2009
In 1954, the tobacco industry realized it had a serious problem. Thirteen scientific studies had been published over the preceding five years linking smoking to lung cancer. With the public growing increasingly alarmed about the health effects of smoking, the tobacco industry had to move quickly to protect profits and stem the tide of increasingly worrisome scientific news. Big Tobacco turned to one the world's five largest public relations firms, Hill and Knowlton, to help out. Hill and Knowlton designed a brilliant Public Relations (PR) campaign to convince the public that smoking is not dangerous. They encouraged the tobacco industry to set up their own research organization, the Council for Tobacco Research (CTR), which would produce science favorable to the industry, emphasize doubt in all the science linking smoking to lung cancer, and question all independent research unfavorable to the tobacco industry. The CTR did a masterful job at this for decades, significantly delaying and reducing regulation of tobacco products. George Washington University epidemiologist David Michaels, who is President Obama's nominee to head the Occupational Health and Safety Administration (OSHA), wrote a meticulously researched 2008 book called, Doubt is Their Product: How Industry's Assault on Science Threatens Your Health. In the book, he wrote: "the industry understood that the public is in no position to distinguish good science from bad. Create doubt, uncertainty, and confusion. Throw mud at the anti-smoking research under the assumption that some of it is bound to stick. And buy time, lots of it, in the bargain". The title of Michaels' book comes from a 1969 memo from a tobacco company executive: "Doubt is our product since it is the best means of competing with the 'body of fact' that exists in the minds of the general public. It is also the means of establishing a controversy". Hill and Knowlton, on behalf of the tobacco industry, had founded the "Manufactured Doubt" industry.

The Manufactured Doubt industry grows up
As the success of Hill and Knowlton's brilliant Manufactured Doubt campaign became apparent, other industries manufacturing dangerous products hired the firm to design similar PR campaigns. In 1967, Hill and Knowlton helped asbestos industry giant Johns-Manville set up the Asbestos Information Association (AIA). The official-sounding AIA produced "sound science" that questioned the link between asbestos and lung diseases (asbestos currently kills 90,000 people per year, according to the World Health Organization). Manufacturers of lead, vinyl chloride, beryllium, and dioxin products also hired Hill and Knowlton to devise product defense strategies to combat the numerous scientific studies showing that their products were harmful to human health.

By the 1980s, the Manufactured Doubt industry gradually began to be dominated by more specialized "product defense" firms and free enterprise "think tanks". Michaels wrote in Doubt is Their Product about the specialized "product defense" firms: "Having cut their teeth manufacturing uncertainty for Big Tobacco, scientists at ChemRisk, the Weinberg Group, Exponent, Inc., and other consulting firms now battle the regulatory agencies on behalf of the manufacturers of benzene, beryllium, chromium, MTBE, perchlorates, phthalates, and virtually every other toxic chemical in the news today....Public health interests are beside the point. This is science for hire, period, and it is extremely lucrative".

Joining the specialized "product defense" firms were the so-called "think tanks". These front groups received funding from manufacturers of dangerous products and produced "sound science" in support of their funders' products, in the name of free enterprise and free markets. Think tanks such as the George C. Marshall Foundation, Competitive Enterprise Institute, Heartland Institute, and Dr. Fred Singer's SEPP (Science and Environmental Policy Project) have all been active for decades in the Manufactured Doubt business, generating misleading science and false controversy to protect the profits of their clients who manufacture dangerous products.

 

[Toronado3800]

So anyways, how long does that ice cube last if you put it in a sealed fish tank filed with a regular oxygen mix vs the other ice cube in one with a greater concentration of "greenhouse" gasses?

It is pretty common to rationalize away whatever you're doing that is hurting your children's planet.

 

[Big Fitz]

Of course President Obama is ignoring this tempest in at teapot. Why should anybody with any intelligence pay any attention to it? The 'Evidence' is either e-mails out of context, or possibly manufactured. But it is amusing that you people have not had such a gleeful time since the clown landed on the aircraft carrier off San Diego in his cute little flight suit and cod peice, and decared "Mission Successful". The end of this little misadventure will be just as positive for you as that was.

mmmmmm tempest teeeeeeeaaaaa........ gaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!

 

[Oddball]

So anyways, how long does that ice cube last if you put it in a sealed fish tank filed with a regular oxygen mix vs the other ice cube in one with a greater concentration of "greenhouse" gasses?

It is pretty common to rationalize away whatever you're doing that is hurting your children's planet.

Ya gotta drop that sealed fish tank thingy, dude....It's completely irrelevant in the context of a massively complex and evolving ecosystem.

While you're at it, 86 that appeal to the chiillldrreenn bit, too.

 

[Big Fitz]

Imma letcha finish but I first have to introduce you to Boncher's Maxim on Belief. Use in good health.

"To a believer, no proof is neccessary. To a skeptic, no proof is enough."

 

[Old Rocks]

So anyways, how long does that ice cube last if you put it in a sealed fish tank filed with a regular oxygen mix vs the other ice cube in one with a greater concentration of "greenhouse" gasses?

It is pretty common to rationalize away whatever you're doing that is hurting your children's planet.

Ya gotta drop that sealed fish tank thingy, dude....It's completely irrelevant in the context of a massively complex and evolving ecosystem.

While you're at it, 86 that appeal to the chiillldrreenn bit, too.

Sure, Dooodeee...... would never worry about children. Let the little bastards worry about themselves.

 

[Oddball]

The second-to-last refuge of the scoundrel, scoundrel.

 

[Si modo]

So anyways, how long does that ice cube last if you put it in a sealed fish tank filed with a regular oxygen mix vs the other ice cube in one with a greater concentration of "greenhouse" gasses?

It is pretty common to rationalize away whatever you're doing that is hurting your children's planet.

Ya gotta drop that sealed fish tank thingy, dude....It's completely irrelevant in the context of a massively complex and evolving ecosystem.

While you're at it, 86 that appeal to the chiillldrreenn bit, too.

Sure, Dooodeee...... would never worry about children. Let the little bastards worry about themselves.

And the puppies, Dude must hate puppies, too.

 

[Big Fitz]

Thanks... now I know not to trust the "news" on Wunderground and stick to the radar and satellite feeds.

 

[Oddball]

Ya gotta drop that sealed fish tank thingy, dude....It's completely irrelevant in the context of a massively complex and evolving ecosystem.

While you're at it, 86 that appeal to the chiillldrreenn bit, too.

Sure, Dooodeee...... would never worry about children. Let the little bastards worry about themselves.

And the puppies, Dude must hate puppies, too.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Of course President Obama is ignoring this tempest in at teapot. Why should anybody with any intelligence pay any attention to it? The 'Evidence' is either e-mails out of context, or possibly manufactured. But it is amusing that you people have not had such a gleeful time since the clown landed on the aircraft carrier off San Diego in his cute little flight suit and cod peice, and decared "Mission Successful". The end of this little misadventure will be just as positive for you as that was.

Here we see the clutch-at-straws approch to knowledge.

Heaven forfend that this story has legs.

The MSM will try to bury it, as will modern day 'know nothings,' as above, but this Sunday's talk shows will be an indication of whether or not they can be successful.

 

[Old Rocks]

Of course President Obama is ignoring this tempest in at teapot. Why should anybody with any intelligence pay any attention to it? The 'Evidence' is either e-mails out of context, or possibly manufactured. But it is amusing that you people have not had such a gleeful time since the clown landed on the aircraft carrier off San Diego in his cute little flight suit and cod peice, and decared "Mission Successful". The end of this little misadventure will be just as positive for you as that was.

mmmmmm tempest teeeeeeeaaaaa........ gaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!

Load of Federalist conservative truth? No wonder the Edmund went down. A horribly corrosive cargo. Has the site of the wreck been declared a toxic cleanup area?

 

[Skull Pilot]

wasn't Florida supposed to be under water already?

 

[Oddball]

At least 20 years ago, according to the doom-and-gloomers who were peddling this bullshit when I was in grade school.

 

[asaratis]

What you are seeing is the scientists in this and other nations realizing for the first time that their integrity and honor are being attacked and lied about for the political reasons.

I don't think that you will see a circling of the wagons, I beleive that you will see a push back that may just surprise you with it's effectiveness.

Sorry, Charlie! There will be no push back. The emails tell the story of manipulative, dishonest "scientists" that have been heretofore trusted in their field of collecting and understanding atmospheric data. They have committed sabotage of science and deserve to be punished severely. Gore and Company will have a hard time selling anything else to the AP.

I anticipate Obama's speech at the climate conference. It will be interesting to see if and how he dodges the issue.

 

[Big Fitz]

Load of Federalist conservative truth? No wonder the Edmund went down. A horribly corrosive cargo. Has the site of the wreck been declared a toxic cleanup area?

Awww look at that! It knows a little history!

I am a great lakes shipping buff and have a few books on the subject of wrecks on the great lakes. Very interesting reading. Currently this is the most famous of all wrecks on the lakes, so what the hey? Till she sank by a freak of nature, Big Fitz as she was known was the champion of the inland seas for many many years. Broke her own records many many times and was considered the grand lady by sailors and sailing fans alike on the lakes.

But it's nice of you to try and shift to an ad hominem attack (yes, busted). After all, you have no logical or scientific basis to stand on any more, so it's understandable that you'd attempt to ridicule and deride personal style decisions and signatures. Always makes one look tough and successful in a debate on ideas, policy and critical thinking.

Keep workin' what little ya got, though!

 

[Annie]

What you are seeing is the scientists in this and other nations realizing for the first time that their integrity and honor are being attacked and lied about for the political reasons.

I don't think that you will see a circling of the wagons, I beleive that you will see a push back that may just surprise you with it's effectiveness.

Sorry, Charlie! There will be no push back. The emails tell the story of manipulative, dishonest "scientists" that have been heretofore trusted in their field of collecting and understanding atmospheric data. They have committed sabotage of science and deserve to be punished severely. Gore and Company will have a hard time selling anything else to the AP.

I anticipate Obama's speech at the climate conference. It will be interesting to see if and how he dodges the issue.

They will go 'environmentally sound to clear up pollution, will help keep health costs down.' Then ignore that the 'science' has more than likely been ginned and that they will go ahead with their plans on carbon taxes, green jobs, and health care. I don't know that Congress will follow him off that cliff, but maybe. I really doubt the people will, but he doesn't 'care' whether or not they agree, he KNOWS better.