Obama goes to war with America

[MaggieMae]

If it's war Barry wants, it's war he'll get. Boy, get ready for the big counterattack in November and expect lots of casualties on your side.

In war people DIE. But the people dying are the ones that are being poisoned by the oil and gas industrie's carcinogens and neurotoxins.

It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners.
Albert Camus

So we cant have nuclear power,we cant have oil or gas ,Keeping horses is a crime against nature .
Can we have candles? Fertilizers? Farming?

While I realize you think your assertions have great sway, the truth is nobody has said nuclear, oil, and gas are off the table. SANE people know that we need all three, PLUS alternatives. It's a nofuckingbrainer.

 

[MaggieMae]

Obama by way of the EPA has just shut down today 33% of the country’s refining capacity.

While Obama was unsuccessful at putting a moratorium on oil drilling, he was able to accomplish the same thing by putting a stranglehold on oil refining which accomplishes the same thing. With 1/3rd of the country’s oil refining gone what do you think this will do to the economy? this was the inherent threat that Obama had presented for months. either give him Cap and Trade or we will shut everything down through the EPA.

What do you think this will do to the economy of Texas.

Let’s recap what has happened in the last 90 days.

Obama is going after Arizona and trying to cut off all border security aide while suing the state.

He is making no attempt to stop the oil leak in Louisiana. This is now affecting the economies of Louisiana, Texas, Georgia and Florida.

He is going after Texas and with this double whammy of shutting down the refineries and the oil spill the sate that was doing the best in the country is now being taken down.

So far Obama has completely trashed five states and is in the process of destroying their economies. What chance do you think there is of a recovery

Hope and change! Totalitarianism is here!

Sigh...I can't stand it. Every Saturday, THE STUPIDS seem to slither out of the walls. My son works in redesigning existing refineries and his company has a great deal of input as to which refineries need upgrades. When he was here over Memorial Day, he confirmed that most oil refineries have been retrofitted to comply with clean air standards, but some have simply chosen not to do it. End of story. DO SOME RESEARCH.

 

[MaggieMae]

In war people DIE. But the people dying are the ones that are being poisoned by the oil and gas industrie's carcinogens and neurotoxins.

It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners.
Albert Camus

So we cant have nuclear power,we cant have oil or gas ,Keeping horses is a crime against nature .
Can we have candles? Fertilizers? Farming?

There we go...the childish right wing pea brained 'polarized' argument.

Yeah, I'm outta here for today, and I haven't even got to today's entries to the thread! But I'm about to blow a gasket (no pun intended) over the sheer stupidity being expressed.

 

[Bfgrn]

So we cant have nuclear power,we cant have oil or gas ,Keeping horses is a crime against nature .
Can we have candles? Fertilizers? Farming?

There we go...the childish right wing pea brained 'polarized' argument.

Yeah, I'm outta here for today, and I haven't even got to today's entries to the thread! But I'm about to blow a gasket (no pun intended) over the sheer stupidity being expressed.

I share your frustration Maggie Mae. What always stands out to me with the right's Monica Lewinsky act on corporate polluters is there is ZERO human capital in their thinking. They have ZERO values that could called 'Christian'...

They really are the modern day Pharisees...

 

[Yukon.]

Yeah, I'm outta here for today, and I haven't even got to today's entries to the thread! But I'm about to blow a gasket (no pun intended) over the sheer stupidity being expressed.

What do you expect from right-wing zealots? Intelligent discussion is not possible.

"Obama is a Negro, Negro people are not smart therefore the US President is stupid" - collective wisdom of the GOP

 

[Jack Fate]

Yeah, I'm outta here for today, and I haven't even got to today's entries to the thread! But I'm about to blow a gasket (no pun intended) over the sheer stupidity being expressed.

What do you expect from right-wing zwalots? Intelligent discussion is not possible.

"Obama is a Negro, Negro people are not smart therefore the US President is stupid" - collective wisdom of the GOP

Is that Robert Byrd in the KKK suit?

 

[MaggieMae]

Acid rain was a myth a fraud , same as man made global warming .

I live in Vermont where acid rain did indeed take its toll. If you ever get up this way during foliage season, you will see huge swaths of barren trees on the higher levels. Acid rain did that, my friend.

 

[EriktheRed]

California is broke because of decades of overtaxation and NY is literally being lead by the blind down the same path. Two shinning examples of the failures of liberalism.

No California is broke due to Enron and the current financial meltdown. By the way, you do know that the governor of Californifornia is a republican? The only shining example here is your ignorance.

It's also broke because they allow the minority Republicans to veto any attempts at a tax increase, no matter how modest.

 

[MaggieMae]

Acid rain was a myth a fraud , same as man made global warming .

And your proof of this is where?

I lived it .
I remember the daily hysteria it is the same if not worse than what has been going on with the AGW fraud.
It is still cited but has been dis proven .

The Forest Decline Project at the University of Vermont published a study in 1991 citing acid rain as a culprit of the reduced seed production and germination.[9]

He also re-energized the EPA, which has a huge power and
funding stake in doing the same. These deadly incentives lead to
an awful lot of BS (bad science).

There is no better example of this than the EPA's wildly scary
1980 report suggesting acid rain was causing a kind of ``aquatic
silent spring'' in Northeast America and Canada:

``It is in the lakes and streams where the most dramatic
effects of acid rain have been observed. The increasing acidity
of lakes in North America and Europe has been documented. ...
This has led to a decrease in populations of fish and other
aquatic organisms.''

This report led to the establishment of a 10-year scientific
study of the causes and effects of acid rain, or what is called
the National Acid Precipitation Assessment Program (NAPAP).
Unfortunately for the environmentalists, this assessment
actually tried to be scientific, that is, to avoid reaching
conclusions first and then searching for evidence to support
them.
The result in 1987, after more than $300 million was spent in
exhaustive study, was to conclude essentially that regional SO2
concentrations were causing no discernible damage to crops or
forests at present levels of acid rain emission (about 22 million
tons a year, down from 32 million in 1970).

Also, the number of acid lakes and streams was far lower than
the EPA had warned, affecting less than 2 per cent of the surface
water area even in the Adirondacks, the most heavily impacted
region. And the connections between acid rain and acid lakes
were statistically too weak to correlate.

THE CONTINUING MYTHOLOGY ABOUT ACID RAIN

Oh sure, give us as your point justification an "analysis" produced by Human Events, a known anti-anything environmental, anti-anything not pro-conservative. Ironically, an updated report on acid raid which is STILL affecting the forests in Vermont was done just a couple of months ago.

An update on acid rain in Vermont - WCAX.COM Local Vermont News, Weather and Sports-

More than 30 years later the battle has subsided but scientists say acid rain hasn't gone away.

"I think it's still a big problem," said Gary Hawley, a researcher at the University of Vermont.

Now several decades later, most lakes and ponds have recovered from the effects of acid rain, but that same success isn't evident in the soil, where the effects of acid rain are long lasting.

"We are actually seeing a continued problem with forests in particular," said Paul Schaberg of the U.S. Forest Service. "The soil is not rebounding; the calcium is not coming back in those places."

Hawley and Schaberg are two of the leading acid rain experts in Vermont. After years of research they now know calcium is vital to a tree's physiology and that acid rain stresses trees by depleting calcium in the soil. Much of their research is conducted in New Hampshire where millions of dollars have been spent treating an entire watershed with calcium, restoring the forest to pre-acid rain levels.

"It's been remarkable," Schaberg said. "Every species we look at responds to the native stresses that are out there better than when the calcium is back."

Today many New England forests still suffer from the acid rain of the 1980s and 90s. It takes a long time for calcium to build back up in the soil. But there are signs things are getting better.

 

[MaggieMae]

That this happened as Obama launches his bid for amnesty is no surprise.
I guess we will need more stimulus money and gas stamps for the poor.

You know what .... F..ck them. I will never understand the American worker voting republican.

I totally agree....Why in the world would you vote for.

Smaller Government.
Strong national defense.
lower taxes.
Less regulation.
Less reliance on Government involvement in daily life.

Because maybe that's what you people keep voting for again and again and not ever getting? All of it is a helluva lot easier said than done.

 

[mudwhistle]

Yeah, I'm outta here for today, and I haven't even got to today's entries to the thread! But I'm about to blow a gasket (no pun intended) over the sheer stupidity being expressed.

What do you expect from right-wing zwalots? Intelligent discussion is not possible.

"Obama is a Negro, Negro people are not smart therefore the US President is stupid" - collective wisdom of the GOP

And race-baiting is the left's bread and butter.

Obama isn't stupid because he's black.

It's his ideas that are stupid.

 

[MaggieMae]

California is broke because of decades of overtaxation and NY is literally being lead by the blind down the same path. Two shinning examples of the failures of liberalism.

Oh I see, so for all of you who clamour for states to have more power, the shining example is actually that they don't do so well on their own, do they...

California is broke because of failed policies. Texas seems to be doing pretty well as are other western states where they have fiscal responsibility. The republican governor of New Jersey is also doing very well, but the labor unions and government workers are crying like spoiled children.

Texas has a budget deficit of around $18 billion. Another 45 states also have budget deficits.

 

[mudwhistle]

Oh I see, so for all of you who clamour for states to have more power, the shining example is actually that they don't do so well on their own, do they...

California is broke because of failed policies. Texas seems to be doing pretty well as are other western states where they have fiscal responsibility. The republican governor of New Jersey is also doing very well, but the labor unions and government workers are crying like spoiled children.

Texas has a budget deficit of around $18 billion. Another 45 states also have budget deficits.

It must be Bush's fault then.

 

[Ava]

"The EPA's irresponsible and heavy-handed action not only undermines Texas' successful clean air programs, but threatens thousands of Texas jobs, families, businesses and communities throughout our state," Perry said in a statement. "It will also likely curtail energy supplies and increase gasoline prices nationwide."
more by Rick Perry - Jun 30, 2010 - Houston Chronicle

EPA overturns 16-year-old Texas permit program
By RAMIT PLUSHNICK-MASTI (AP) – 1 day ago
HOUSTON — The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency on Wednesday officially overturned a 16-year-old Texas air permitting program it says violates the Clean Air Act, leaving some of the country's largest refineries in a state of limbo.
The move comes after years of backdoor bickering, negotiations and public arguments between the EPA and Texas. The argument recently escalated from a battle over environmental issues into a heated political dispute over states' rights.
Gov. Rick Perry has been using it to drive home his contention that President Barack Obama's administration is overreaching, saying in a statement Wednesday that "Texas will continue to fight this federal takeover of a successful state program."
The EPA's decision, announced in a statement, will force some 125 refineries and petrochemical plants to invest millions of dollars to get new permits. Many of the plants may also have to invest in updates to comply with federal regulations.
The decision did not come as a surprise to Texas or the industries. EPA regional director Al Armendariz has said for months he would disapprove the permits if Texas did not comply with the Clean Air Act.
The Texas Commission on Environmental Quality's chairman Bryan Shaw insisted Wednesday the state's permitting program complies with the Clean Air Act and has improved air quality in Texas. However, in an effort to satisfy the EPA's concerns, Shaw said the commission recently changed the rules but apparently the EPA "did not take them into consideration."

The Associated Press: EPA overturns 16-year-old Texas permit program


Cap and trade by another avenue .

This is his war on Oil. He will not stop until he kills the oil industry in this country, and he could care less what people in Texas think. They didn't vote for him. That is the same reason he is so lack luster on the spill. He wants it to be bad, so more people will support his war on oil. He can afford to ignore what is happening in Texas, LA, Mississippi, and FlA, because......you guessed it none of those states went for Obama in the Election last time. So he does not give a flying fuck what those people think. To the Marxist and Black Liberationists that Obama is those people in those states are the Enemy. Bitter people clinging to guns and religion.

I don't think anyone realizes just how badly we fucked up letting Obama win, and have a Democrat near Super Majority at the same time. I am afraid we will never get them out again. If They Push Amnesty through and get them all to vote before 2012 were toast.

Obama told us he planned to do all this. All you had to do was read his book and words from the past. Look at who he hung out with, and associated with. Listen to his words about Marx, and how our Constitution was flawed. Hear him say he was going to fundamentally change America, to know all this was coming.

He wants to collapse what is left of Capitalism in America so the people beg for Socialism.

He is the most Dangerous threat to our Freedom, and America as we all know and love it, we have ever known. Bar none.

TRUE! Also:

"And as our nation celebrates yet another “Independence Day” holiday, the truth of the matter is that America is rapidly becoming a place of dependence. We are increasingly dependent on the decisions of Barack Obama and those in his administration for our livelihoods, dependent on the whims of government bureaucrats for our personal wellbeing, and dependent on the overtures of foreign nations (China in particular) for the sustaining of our economy and infrastructure. If America is to regain its footing and begin moving back in the direction of freedom and independence, Americans of all stripes must begin thinking more clearly about economics, and the proper role of government in our lives." -Austin Hill....townhall.com

 

[Bfgrn]

EPA overturns 16-year-old Texas permit program
By RAMIT PLUSHNICK-MASTI (AP) – 1 day ago
HOUSTON — The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency on Wednesday officially overturned a 16-year-old Texas air permitting program it says violates the Clean Air Act, leaving some of the country's largest refineries in a state of limbo.
The move comes after years of backdoor bickering, negotiations and public arguments between the EPA and Texas. The argument recently escalated from a battle over environmental issues into a heated political dispute over states' rights.
Gov. Rick Perry has been using it to drive home his contention that President Barack Obama's administration is overreaching, saying in a statement Wednesday that "Texas will continue to fight this federal takeover of a successful state program."
The EPA's decision, announced in a statement, will force some 125 refineries and petrochemical plants to invest millions of dollars to get new permits. Many of the plants may also have to invest in updates to comply with federal regulations.
The decision did not come as a surprise to Texas or the industries. EPA regional director Al Armendariz has said for months he would disapprove the permits if Texas did not comply with the Clean Air Act.
The Texas Commission on Environmental Quality's chairman Bryan Shaw insisted Wednesday the state's permitting program complies with the Clean Air Act and has improved air quality in Texas. However, in an effort to satisfy the EPA's concerns, Shaw said the commission recently changed the rules but apparently the EPA "did not take them into consideration."

The Associated Press: EPA overturns 16-year-old Texas permit program


Cap and trade by another avenue .

This is his war on Oil. He will not stop until he kills the oil industry in this country, and he could care less what people in Texas think. They didn't vote for him. That is the same reason he is so lack luster on the spill. He wants it to be bad, so more people will support his war on oil. He can afford to ignore what is happening in Texas, LA, Mississippi, and FlA, because......you guessed it none of those states went for Obama in the Election last time. So he does not give a flying fuck what those people think. To the Marxist and Black Liberationists that Obama is those people in those states are the Enemy. Bitter people clinging to guns and religion.

I don't think anyone realizes just how badly we fucked up letting Obama win, and have a Democrat near Super Majority at the same time. I am afraid we will never get them out again. If They Push Amnesty through and get them all to vote before 2012 were toast.

Obama told us he planned to do all this. All you had to do was read his book and words from the past. Look at who he hung out with, and associated with. Listen to his words about Marx, and how our Constitution was flawed. Hear him say he was going to fundamentally change America, to know all this was coming.

He wants to collapse what is left of Capitalism in America so the people beg for Socialism.

He is the most Dangerous threat to our Freedom, and America as we all know and love it, we have ever known. Bar none.

TRUE! Also:

"And as our nation celebrates yet another “Independence Day” holiday, the truth of the matter is that America is rapidly becoming a place of dependence. We are increasingly dependent on the decisions of Barack Obama and those in his administration for our livelihoods, dependent on the whims of government bureaucrats for our personal wellbeing, and dependent on the overtures of foreign nations (China in particular) for the sustaining of our economy and infrastructure. If America is to regain its footing and begin moving back in the direction of freedom and independence, Americans of all stripes must begin thinking more clearly about economics, and the proper role of government in our lives." -Austin Hill....townhall.com

Right wing bluster...

Today, American workers face the worst job market since the Great Depression, with five job seekers for every job opening. Americans of all stripes must begin thinking more clearly about putting American PEOPLE first, instead, Republicans have made the cynical calculation that blocking anything President Obama tries to do — including, or perhaps especially, anything that might alleviate the nation’s economic pain — improves their chances in the midterm elections.

Mere parsimony (frugality, stinginess) is not economy. Expense, and great expense, may be an essential part in true economy.
Edmund Burke