Obama/EPA gumming up car engines!! Thanks!!!

[KissMy]

and you want food taken from babies mouths to make ethanol???? REALLY proud of that are you???

That's the biggest lie ever told. Livestock gain weight 30% faster on 15% less DDG feed from ethanol plants than they do on corn. With ethanol production we have more food than without. Animal feeders can't even be competitive anymore without feeding their livestock Ethanol's DDG feed.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wwRpznV00A"]Feeding Cattle DDGs[/ame]

 

[Oldguy]

I do know that it COSTS
The two largest variables in the cost of ethanol are the cost of corn and the cost of natural gas or other sources of heat needed to process the mixture.
When corn costs $2 a bushel, it costs between $1 and $1.20 to make a gallon of ethanol
This means at 10% of current gas mixture each gallon of gas has almost 12 cents ADDED to the price of gas to produce ethanol!
HOW stupid is that???
We are using 40 percent of corn to produce ethanol. The remainder goes toward food and beverage production.
More than one-third of our corn crop is used to feed livestock. Another 13 percent is exported, much of it to feed livestock as well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/31/opinion/corn-for-food-not-fuel.html?_r=0

WE are going to regret it!!!

Oh...now it's not about damage to engines and Obama...now it's about cost and the availability of corn. I see. Move the goal posts when challenged, right?

Ok...let's move the goalposts and see what happens:

Ethanol is competitive with the cost of producing a gallon of gasoline, without a subsidy, when oil is above $70 per barrel. It is, and has been for some time.

The Biofuels FAQs: The Facts About Biofuels: Ethanol

Availability:

In 2011, the US produced 316,165,000 metric tons of corn. We consumed 281,100,000 metric tons, for all purposes including ethanol, which left 59,700,000 metric tons for export...a surplus of corn.

The whole world produced 816,006,000 metric tons, but consumed 836,118,000 metric tons, for a shortfall of just over 20 million metric tons. That's good news for American farmers, and especially in light of the fact that we COULD produce as much as 15 BILLION bushels by 2020 if we wanted to. The market will probably dictate that we will (you DO believe in the free market, don't you?)

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...WPKL-u&sig=AHIEtbQWh0UEEvnOXP1KzEQ6QnGnhgo_fA


Bottom line? We can produce it, we can afford it, if used properly it won't damage our engines and, along with the vastly increased production of oil and gas under this administration, we will become a net EXPORTER of oil and gas within a decade or so.

Why do you have a problem with that?

First of all THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS reduced production on Federal Lands by
In 2008 under President Bush, there were a total of 55,085 oil and gas leases in effect on federal land.
In 2011 under Obama, there were just 49,174, a decrease of 11 percent.

Obama 19% Decrease in acreage under lease
In 2008 under Bush, there were 47.2 million acres of federal land under lease.
In 2011 under Obama, there were just 38.5 million, a decrease of 19 percent.

ANY increase in production has been DUE to developments generated by that nasty OIL MAN BUSH!
All the while the Obama EPA is shutting DOWN coal mines, thus putting more pressure on OIL production and
you want food taken from babies mouths to make ethanol????

REALLY proud of that are you???

Oh, ok. NOW it's about acreage, not gallons.

You're gonna throw your back out moving the goal post so often.

 

[Duped]

You liberals just want to consume the corn so all the African babies will die - your gynocidal maniacs!

It damages older outboards because of the hoses, gaskets, and all older engines as the alcohol permiates the rubber, expanding it, and destroying it!

 

[Doc91678]

Hey, just think we can give up those gas eaters that give us all that gas mileage at nearly $4.00/gallon and trade them in for battery powered cars like the Volt costing $50,000 that blow up and burn.

 

[Duped]

Hey, just think we can give up those gas eaters that give us all that gas mileage at nearly $4.00/gallon and trade them in for battery powered cars like the Volt costing $50,000 that blow up and burn.

The libs will give you a big subsidy for buying one of those government motors pieces of shit that they stole off the successful tax payers who could have done something much more useful with it too

 

[there4eyeM]

High performance vehicles should be expensive and carry a heavy tax. Such egotistical waste of energy and creation of pollution, like so much noise pollution we have to bear, should be 'discouraged'.

 

[Dragonlady]

First of all THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS reduced production on Federal Lands by
In 2008 under President Bush, there were a total of 55,085 oil and gas leases in effect on federal land.
In 2011 under Obama, there were just 49,174, a decrease of 11 percent.

Obama 19% Decrease in acreage under lease
In 2008 under Bush, there were 47.2 million acres of federal land under lease.
In 2011 under Obama, there were just 38.5 million, a decrease of 19 percent.

Increases and decreases in the number of oil and gas leases have nothing to do with production. Obama cancelled oil and gas leases on federal land because they lessees were NOT producing on the lands. Oil and gas production has, overall, increased under Obama.

ANY increase in production has been DUE to developments generated by that nasty OIL MAN BUSH!

Actually the opposite is true. During "Oil man Bush's"adminstration, oil and gas production decreased in every year but one, and that one year of increase was less than the decrease in production of the preceding year.

Oil and gas production showed a net decrease of 16.9% during Bush's administration, and has increased by more than 12% under Obama up to the end of 2011. 2012 figures are not yet available.

PolitiFact | Mitt Romney says 'oil production is down 14 percent this year on federal land'

 

[Claudette]

Biofuels are about the most absurd idea one could conceive of for reciprocating piston engines (an anachronism and antique from the nineteenth century) in particular and transportation in general. In fact, it is just a code word for farm subsidies.

Yup and after all the hype on ethanol they have found that its worse for the air than gasoline is.

All those corn growers are getting subsidized to grow the corn for ethanol. Anything with corn in it is way more expensive because most of the corn is going for ethanol. Cost for my horses feed have gone through the roof.

One would think someone in the most transparant administraion in history would catch a ******* clue and nix the ethanol in gasoline.

Oh wait. I forgot. No one want to admitt that it doesn't work for shit. Never mind.

 

[Duped]

High performance vehicles should be expensive and carry a heavy tax. Such egotistical waste of energy and creation of pollution, like so much noise pollution we have to bear, should be 'discouraged'.

You mean like Al Gores private jet. That asshole has polluted more air than my whole family could in ten lifetimes! The government should pay everyone who maintains older motors. They were made to burn gas!

 

[nodoginnafight]

Oil production is controlled by the elite politics in every country in the world. They wield ultimate power over us citizens. J.D. Rockefeller of the Standard Oil monopoly bought congress & passed Prohibition of Alcohol to eliminate Alcohol/Ethanol from fueling automobiles & competing with oil. Now the oil companies funded the scientifically discredited Pimentel & Patzek studies claiming ethanol uses more energy than it creates & drives up food & gas prices. J.D. Rockefeller of the Standard Oil built Rockefeller Center to house the biggest media companies in the USA & has used that media centers power to blast the airwaves & news papers with their biased ethanol research propaganda. They have very effectively brainwashed most of the population.

You brainwashed idiots also fail to comprehend the facts. Corn Ethanol creates more food than without ethanol. 98% of all corn went to feed livestock who's digestive tract is designed for grass & leaves. Livestock do a poor job digesting corn causing digestive & health problems with the animals & huge methane gas emissions. But livestock grow 30% faster on 15% less (distillers dried grains)-DDG feed when the corn is broken down into easily digested DDG feed at ethanol plants. The Corn Ethanol used to get emitted from the livestock as Methane Gas which is 15 times worse Greenhouse Gas than (Carbon Dioxide)-CO2. Now that potential corn methane is turned into ethanol before the DDG feed is fed to livestock.

Besides the fact that Corn Ethanol increased food production & eliminated the 15 times more damaging than CO2 Methane Emitions from corn fed livestock. Corn Ethanol also replaced the highly toxic MTBE additive in gasoline that was polluting our water supply. Corn ethanol has created so much food infact that China complained to the WTO & launched an investigation into how the US farmers wer dumping so much DDG feed & corn into their country at prices far below what their farmers could produce DDG feed & Corn.

These elite have been playing people like you for suckers forever. For over 130 years they have been telling you we were at Peak Oil to justify high prices & wars. They make fortunes off of you suckers who will go to your grave believing Ethanol is bad & paying high gas price is ok because of Peak Oil.

Too many facts. Your target audience will only read it if it can fit on a bumber sticker.
But props for the effort.

 

[depotoo]

Oh...now it's not about damage to engines and Obama...now it's about cost and the availability of corn. I see. Move the goal posts when challenged, right?

Ok...let's move the goalposts and see what happens:

Ethanol is competitive with the cost of producing a gallon of gasoline, without a subsidy, when oil is above $70 per barrel. It is, and has been for some time.

The Biofuels FAQs: The Facts About Biofuels: Ethanol

Availability:

In 2011, the US produced 316,165,000 metric tons of corn. We consumed 281,100,000 metric tons, for all purposes including ethanol, which left 59,700,000 metric tons for export...a surplus of corn.

The whole world produced 816,006,000 metric tons, but consumed 836,118,000 metric tons, for a shortfall of just over 20 million metric tons. That's good news for American farmers, and especially in light of the fact that we COULD produce as much as 15 BILLION bushels by 2020 if we wanted to. The market will probably dictate that we will (you DO believe in the free market, don't you?)

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...WPKL-u&sig=AHIEtbQWh0UEEvnOXP1KzEQ6QnGnhgo_fA


Bottom line? We can produce it, we can afford it, if used properly it won't damage our engines and, along with the vastly increased production of oil and gas under this administration, we will become a net EXPORTER of oil and gas within a decade or so.

Why do you have a problem with that?

First of all THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS reduced production on Federal Lands by
In 2008 under President Bush, there were a total of 55,085 oil and gas leases in effect on federal land.
In 2011 under Obama, there were just 49,174, a decrease of 11 percent.

Obama 19% Decrease in acreage under lease
In 2008 under Bush, there were 47.2 million acres of federal land under lease.
In 2011 under Obama, there were just 38.5 million, a decrease of 19 percent.

ANY increase in production has been DUE to developments generated by that nasty OIL MAN BUSH!
All the while the Obama EPA is shutting DOWN coal mines, thus putting more pressure on OIL production and
you want food taken from babies mouths to make ethanol????

REALLY proud of that are you???

Oh, ok. NOW it's about acreage, not gallons.

You're gonna throw your back out moving the goal post so often.

no moving of goal posts that I can see, more like adding more fuel to the fire. That you can't see it shows your bias.

 

[Mr. H.]

Oil production is controlled by the elite politics in every country in the world. They wield ultimate power over us citizens. J.D. Rockefeller of the Standard Oil monopoly bought congress & passed Prohibition of Alcohol to eliminate Alcohol/Ethanol from fueling automobiles & competing with oil. Now the oil companies funded the scientifically discredited Pimentel & Patzek studies claiming ethanol uses more energy than it creates & drives up food & gas prices. J.D. Rockefeller of the Standard Oil built Rockefeller Center to house the biggest media companies in the USA & has used that media centers power to blast the airwaves & news papers with their biased ethanol research propaganda. They have very effectively brainwashed most of the population.

You brainwashed idiots also fail to comprehend the facts. Corn Ethanol creates more food than without ethanol. 98% of all corn went to feed livestock who's digestive tract is designed for grass & leaves. Livestock do a poor job digesting corn causing digestive & health problems with the animals & huge methane gas emissions. But livestock grow 30% faster on 15% less (distillers dried grains)-DDG feed when the corn is broken down into easily digested DDG feed at ethanol plants. The Corn Ethanol used to get emitted from the livestock as Methane Gas which is 15 times worse Greenhouse Gas than (Carbon Dioxide)-CO2. Now that potential corn methane is turned into ethanol before the DDG feed is fed to livestock.

Besides the fact that Corn Ethanol increased food production & eliminated the 15 times more damaging than CO2 Methane Emitions from corn fed livestock. Corn Ethanol also replaced the highly toxic MTBE additive in gasoline that was polluting our water supply. Corn ethanol has created so much food infact that China complained to the WTO & launched an investigation into how the US farmers wer dumping so much DDG feed & corn into their country at prices far below what their farmers could produce DDG feed & Corn.

These elite have been playing people like you for suckers forever. For over 130 years they have been telling you we were at Peak Oil to justify high prices & wars. They make fortunes off of you suckers who will go to your grave believing Ethanol is bad & paying high gas price is ok because of Peak Oil.

Methanol was a "clean" fuel.

Clean fuels include methanol, ethanol, reformulated gasoline, reformulated diesel, natural gas, liquefied petroleum gas, propane, hydrogen, or electricity.

CRS Report RL30022: Summaries of Environmental Laws Administered by the EPA

The issue with methanol was one of containment. Containment is also an issue with ethanol. Ethanol pollutes. Don't kid yourself.

Methanol was railroaded out of the picture to clear the way for the ag industry to create a new market for their grains. For all the dog-and-pony shows it took to sell the program and its intended "benefits", there is one and only one goal that it has achieved: getting that incremental bushel of corn to market.

Oh, and that's MR. brainwashed idiot to you young lady.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Study: New E15 gas can ruin auto engines
The fuel industry's American Petroleum Institute tested the 15 percent ethanol gas approved in 2010 and found it gums up fuel systems, prompts "check engine" lights to come on, and messes with fuel gauge readings.

"Failure of these components could result in breakdowns that leave consumers stranded on busy roads and highways," said the industry report. Worse: API said the fuel problems--not found in E5 or E10 blends--aren't always covered by auto warranties.
The industry prefers pure fuel to an ethanol mix, but the report isn't likely to slow the administrations green push, according to a Washington auto lobbyist.

Study: New E15 gas can ruin auto engines | WashingtonExaminer.com

ONCE again the LAW of Unintended consequences comes into play!!!

"intervention in a complex system invariably creates unanticipated and often undesirable outcomes."


THIS totally incompetent inept INEXPERIENCED administration ONCE again feeling BIG IDEAS BIG AGENDA all screwing up our country!

WHY must everything Obama touches BECOME a mess? Becomes MORE complicated!
Obamacare is up to 13,000 pages of rules regulations and only starting to be implemented!
Do you idiots UNDERSTAND coupled with engines gumming up to insurance premiums skyrocketing Obama has done absolutely EVERYTHING to mess up the United States!

We should eliminate all regulations on U.S. cars, they are all bad ideas. Seatbelts are ******* stupid.

 

[Dragonlady]

We should eliminate all regulations on U.S. cars, they are all bad ideas. Seatbelts are ******* stupid.

Detroit's failure to produce cars which could be sold in countries which have stringent environmental and safety legislation are one of the main reasons why the United States lost the leadership in auto sales worldwide. American auto makers begged the US government not to force them to reduce emissions because the cars would be too expensive to manufacture. Instead of keeping pace with standards in the rest of the world, the cars made in the US couldn't be sold abroad, and the US fell behind.

You would curse Detroit to repeat this stupidity if the US falls behind the rest of the world again.

 

[Jarlaxle]

E10 gas is better than regular gas. My motorcycle & lawn equipment used to gum up with varnish over the winter on regular gas. Then I had to clean them with carburetor cleaner every spring. I have never had that problem with E10 gasoline. Also E10 prevents water from building up in tanks. Used to be when a tanker truck filled the tanks at the gas station it would stir up the scummy water in the bottom of the tank & send it into your gas tank & clog up your fuel system. That does not happen with E10. The entire gasoline system is cleaner with E10.

You need to use fuel stabilizer. Need it more with E10, in fact.

 

[KissMy]

E10 gas is better than regular gas. My motorcycle & lawn equipment used to gum up with varnish over the winter on regular gas. Then I had to clean them with carburetor cleaner every spring. I have never had that problem with E10 gasoline. Also E10 prevents water from building up in tanks. Used to be when a tanker truck filled the tanks at the gas station it would stir up the scummy water in the bottom of the tank & send it into your gas tank & clog up your fuel system. That does not happen with E10. The entire gasoline system is cleaner with E10.

You need to use fuel stabilizer. Need it more with E10, in fact.

On its Web site Chevron claims reformulated gasoline using ethanol (such as E10, aka gasohol) is stabil & stores longer. "Federal and California reformulated gasolines will survive storage as well or better than conventional gasoline."

 

[Jarlaxle]

That might be (note: there are no Chevron stations in this area), but I'm skeptical. A bottle of Sta-Bil is only about $4.