NYC passes trans fat ban

[1549]

I believe in disclosure... and I don't mind knowing if there are trans fats in the food I'm eating. But grown ups should be able to decide what they eat.

I felt the same way about the smoking ban in restaurants. Should have been up to the business owner as to whether smoking was allowed or not. Then, it's up to the customer.

Very silly....

I noticed we have posted very similar opinions. However, I disagree about smoking bans in restaurants. A smoker in a restaurant is harming all patrons, not just himself.

 

[Mr. P]

I noticed we have posted very similar opinions. However, I disagree about smoking bans in restaurants. A smoker in a restaurant is harming all patrons, not just himself.

But, if the owner allows smoking, non smokers may CHOOSE not to be there, right?

 

[1549]

But, if the owner allows smoking, non smokers may CHOOSE not to be there, right?

I feel people should be able to eat where they please...people should not have to say "oh, we can not eat here, you may have an asthma attack". Smokers meanwhile, can still eat in non-smoking restaurants. Even if they have no control over the addiction, they can still step outside and light up.

 

[insein]

I believe in disclosure... and I don't mind knowing if there are trans fats in the food I'm eating. But grown ups should be able to decide what they eat.

I felt the same way about the smoking ban in restaurants. Should have been up to the business owner as to whether smoking was allowed or not. Then, it's up to the customer.

Very silly....

Thats awfully capitalistic of you. Imagine that.

 

[insein]

I noticed we have posted very similar opinions. However, I disagree about smoking bans in restaurants. A smoker in a restaurant is harming all patrons, not just himself.

IT is a tough one there isnt it. Smoking bans are superficial though. Either the product is dangerous and should be completely banned or it is not and should be allowed. By banning it in certain areas, governments are acknowledging that it is harmful. So cocaine, heroine and marijuana are harmful to people and they are illegal. ITs too inconsistent.

 

[Mr. P]

I feel people should be able to eat where they please...people should not have to say "oh, we can not eat here, you may have an asthma attack".

Nor should the Government dictate the operation of private business on behalf of a group. Next group? Maybe the severely allergic to ‘xyz’ crowd that can’t eat at any restaurant that uses ‘xyz’ in food prep. Should Big Brother step in and end the use of ‘xyz’ ingredient so this group can “eat wherever they want? This path will only lead to Government operated restaurants.

Smokers meanwhile, can still eat in non-smoking restaurants. Even if they have no control over the addiction, they can still step outside and light up.

And business owners can impose No Smoking policies IF they want the non-smokers business. It’s up to them to decide.

I’m not defending smoking or smokers, I’m not opposing non-smokers.
My problem is Government intervention into private business policy and operation, and with that invasion by default, into OUR private life.


This Trans fat move has opened the door to outlaw many more things.

How long before they say, ‘It’s illegal to sell a fast food meal (or any meal) that exceeds ‘x’ grams of fat’?

How long before McDs special sauce is no more?

How long before only non-alcoholic beer can be served?

How long before portions will be limited to the standard daily dietary intake charts?

How long before you hear, ‘I’m sorry you can’t have fries with that because it’s not a balanced meal, sir. You may have Tofu instead though, it’s state approved’.

It’s coming soon, IMO. It’s only been 1 ½ years since the smoking ban plague sweep the Country. Now the new focus has begun.

Tofu burger anyone?:thumbdown:

 

[Mr.Conley]

Tens of thousands of people are also killed each year by water and cars. Wanna ban those, too?

Be serious, water and cars have obvious benefits and when people use water and/or cars they aren't doing something the guarantees a shorter life expectancy. Trans fats are no different then poisons, and should be treated as such.

 

[Mr.Conley]

Tens of thousands?

A couple of questions, 1)does everybody die? 2)is life expectancy longer now than in the past?

Over 30 thousand annually

When eaten, trans fats significantly raise the level of so-called "bad" cholesterol in the blood, clogging arteries and causing heart disease. Researchers at Harvard's School of Public Health estimated that trans fats contribute to 30,000 U.S. deaths a year.

The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) gave food manufacturers two-and-a-half years to retool their labels and perhaps rethink their recipes. According to the FDA, this simple change will help Americans curb their risk of cardiovascular disease related to dietary trans fats; conservatively, it could also save an estimated $900 million to $1.8 billion a year in medical costs, lost productivity, and pain and suffering.

As for your other questions;
1. Yes, everyone dies. Does that justify selling poison while simultaneously keeping healthcare costs (and your taxes) high?

2. Yes, life expectancy rose dramatically over the past 200 years, although now the rate has now slowed down in part thanks to chemicals such as trans fats.

 

[1549]

Nor should the Government dictate the operation of private business on behalf of a group. Next group? Maybe the severely allergic to ‘xyz’ crowd that can’t eat at any restaurant that uses ‘xyz’ in food prep. Should Big Brother step in and end the use of ‘xyz’ ingredient so this group can “eat wherever they want? This path will only lead to Government operated restaurants.


And business owners can impose No Smoking policies IF they want the non-smokers business. It’s up to them to decide.

I’m not defending smoking or smokers, I’m not opposing non-smokers.
My problem is Government intervention into private business policy and operation, and with that invasion by default, into OUR private life.


This Trans fat move has opened the door to outlaw many more things.

How long before they say, ‘It’s illegal to sell a fast food meal (or any meal) that exceeds ‘x’ grams of fat’?

How long before McDs special sauce is no more?

How long before only non-alcoholic beer can be served?

How long before portions will be limited to the standard daily dietary intake charts?

How long before you hear, ‘I’m sorry you can’t have fries with that because it’s not a balanced meal, sir. You may have Tofu instead though, it’s state approved’.

It’s coming soon, IMO. It’s only been 1 ½ years since the smoking ban plague sweep the Country. Now the new focus has begun.

Tofu burger anyone?:thumbdown:

Though we are disagree about somking, we completely agree on the food issue. Like I said, I do not like the trans fat ban. Personally, I like McD's fries just the way they are. When you ban smoking in public places, it protects non-smokers. When you ban trans fat, you are not protecting anyone. In the status quo, trans fat is not being imposed on those who choose not to eat it (as smoke in a restaurant is).

 

[MtnBiker]

Over 30 thousand annually.

I know heart disease is the largest killer, but how can 30,000 be attributed soley to the consumption of trans fats?

As for your other questions;
1. Yes, everyone dies. Does that justify selling poison while simultaneously keeping healthcare costs (and your taxes) high?

Poison? How could the FDA approve trans fats if they were poisons. I believe that is your word for trans fats and would not be universally recognized as such. I would agree that consumed in very large quantities trans fat are certainly detremental to a persons health, but that is true of a very many food products. Each of us should be responsible for our own health and be able to make such decisions for ourselves. It is hard to reconcile the fact that everyone dies yet we want to prevent in which manner people die. As far as the costs are concerned that is a socialistic system problem. It really doesn't matter how many products the government bans to protect our health, if we continue to implement a socialistic system we will continue to have problems with it.

 

[MtnBiker]

When eaten, trans fats significantly raise the level of so-called "bad" cholesterol in the blood, clogging arteries and causing heart disease. Researchers at Harvard's School of Public Health estimated that trans fats contribute to 30,000 U.S. deaths a year.

Is that not also true of consuming cholesterol from animal fat? What if a guy completely avoids trans fats yet eats; Breakfast - 2 eggs, 2 sausage links, hashbrowns with gravy and toast with butter, Lunch - A Bacon Cheeseburger and fries cooked in lard, Dinner - Prime rib, baked potato with the butter and sour cream and for dessert a nice piece of cheesecake. No trans fats, does his diet make him any less of a canidate for heart disease?

 

[Hobbit]

Be serious, water and cars have obvious benefits and when people use water and/or cars they aren't doing something the guarantees a shorter life expectancy. Trans fats are no different then poisons, and should be treated as such.

It's all about the dose. A small amount of trans fat provides a source of energy and calories. A large amount taken over a long period of time clogs your arteries. Trans fat is also a by-product of our lifestyle, as the only process that can prevent natural oils from spoiling at room temperature produces trans fats. I imagine food prices are going to spike in New York without acces to partially hydrogenated oils.

In small amounts, water provides hydration and makes life possible. In large amounts, you drown.

In small amounts, flu virii...a disease and far more dangerous than trans fats...make up a flu vaccine that protects you for an entire season. In only slightly larger doses, the flu can easily kill you, or at least make you very sick for a few days.

You know what else is a poison...literally? Oxygen. Oxidation of our cells is what causes aging and will slowly, but surely, kill us. Exposure to oxygen kills, instantly, any creature that does not consume it.

Then there's the retarded mercury ban. Mercury is quite helpful in thermometers, thermostats, barometers, and as a component in a preservative for flu vaccines. If you vaporize it, which isn't that easy, it can be quite harmful. It's almost impossible to find now.

DDT, in small doses, does no more harm than water to humans and protects against mosquitos for months. In gargantuan doses, it thins bird eggs and causes drops in the populations of certain birds, but still doesn't harm humans. Because of that, it was banned outright...stupid.

I feel people should be able to eat where they please...people should not have to say "oh, we can not eat here, you may have an asthma attack". Smokers meanwhile, can still eat in non-smoking restaurants. Even if they have no control over the addiction, they can still step outside and light up.

The rub is that the eaters do not own the establishment, and if the owner would rather cater to smokers than asthmatics, that's his business. There is no guaranteed right to be allowed to make purchases at any particular establishment. If you have a condition that prevents you from eating at certain places, that's your problem.

For example, I live near a Five Guys burger place. I love that place. They give out free peanuts, real beef patties, and their fries, which they practically serve by the pound, are cooked in real peanut oil. Now, some people are violently allergic to peanuts and could have a reaction just by walking in there. Do they now have to stop using peanuts?

 

[Hobbit]

Over 30 thousand annually

When eaten, trans fats significantly raise the level of so-called "bad" cholesterol in the blood, clogging arteries and causing heart disease. Researchers at Harvard's School of Public Health estimated that trans fats contribute to 30,000 U.S. deaths a year.

Sure, but I'd bet money that they weren't exactly living a healthy lifestyle. Not only that, but the only way to avoid trans-fats altogether is...well, there really isn't one. Your body produces them naturally, as does the body of every animal. I bet there are a bunch of diabetics who have high fructose corn syrup as a scapegoat. Is that what we ban next or do we tell potential diabetics to lay off the sugar?

 

[dilloduck]

It's all about the dose. A small amount of trans fat provides a source of energy and calories. A large amount taken over a long period of time clogs your arteries. Trans fat is also a by-product of our lifestyle, as the only process that can prevent natural oils from spoiling at room temperature produces trans fats. I imagine food prices are going to spike in New York without acces to partially hydrogenated oils.

In small amounts, water provides hydration and makes life possible. In large amounts, you drown.

In small amounts, flu virii...a disease and far more dangerous than trans fats...make up a flu vaccine that protects you for an entire season. In only slightly larger doses, the flu can easily kill you, or at least make you very sick for a few days.

You know what else is a poison...literally? Oxygen. Oxidation of our cells is what causes aging and will slowly, but surely, kill us. Exposure to oxygen kills, instantly, any creature that does not consume it.

Then there's the retarded mercury ban. Mercury is quite helpful in thermometers, thermostats, barometers, and as a component in a preservative for flu vaccines. If you vaporize it, which isn't that easy, it can be quite harmful. It's almost impossible to find now.

DDT, in small doses, does no more harm than water to humans and protects against mosquitos for months. In gargantuan doses, it thins bird eggs and causes drops in the populations of certain birds, but still doesn't harm humans. Because of that, it was banned outright...stupid.



The rub is that the eaters do not own the establishment, and if the owner would rather cater to smokers than asthmatics, that's his business. There is no guaranteed right to be allowed to make purchases at any particular establishment. If you have a condition that prevents you from eating at certain places, that's your problem.

For example, I live near a Five Guys burger place. I love that place. They give out free peanuts, real beef patties, and their fries, which they practically serve by the pound, are cooked in real peanut oil. Now, some people are violently allergic to peanuts and could have a reaction just by walking in there. Do they now have to stop using peanuts?

If you have a condition that prevents you from[/B______________ ,
has now become "the governments problem". The rest of society must pay for it by giving up something to accomodate those that "can't" . I love how some people forget that we "are" the government or have they surrendered to the big money boys and girls and are passive-aggresively making them pay.

 

[MtnBiker]

From the article:

NEW YORK - The Board of Health voted Tuesday to make New York the nation’s first city to ban artery-clogging artificial trans fats at restaurants — from the corner pizzeria to high-end bakeries.

I wonder did the same ban apply to trans fat foods found in grocery stores? By far people eat more food from a grocery store than they do at a restaurant. If we really believe such a ban is for the good then it should apply to grocery stores as well.

 

[Hobbit]

From the article:

I wonder did the same ban apply to trans fat foods found in grocery stores? By far people eat more food from a grocery store than they do at a restaurant. If we really believe such a ban is for the good then it should apply to grocery stores as well.

Bye-bye Crisco (which, by the way, was the first mass-marketed partially hydrogenated oil, dating back to 1912)

 

[ScreamingEagle]

NEW YORK - The Board of Health voted Tuesday to make New York the nation’s first city to ban artery-clogging artificial trans fats at restaurants — from the corner pizzeria to high-end bakeries.

What about places like Krispy Kreme doughnuts? These new laws could kill a whole business.

What about the public schools? Or are they going to continue feeding the kids as poorly as before?

How about airplane food? Any plane that flies in or out of NY better start serving GOOD food.

 

[red states rule]

I totally support this measure. Trans fats kill on the order of tens of thousands of people a year, it's about as close to poison as you can get. This stuff out to be outlawed for the same reason anthrax is outlawed, both kill people en masse.

The food police will be over later today and they will remove any foods they consider bad for you

You will be placed on a health diet with plenty of exercise

Please understand this is for your own good

Resistance is futile

 

[deaddude]

The food police will be over later today and they will remove any foods they consider bad for you

You will be placed on a health diet with plenty of exercise

Please understand this is for your own good

Resistance is futile

ok they ban somthing which is pretty damn near toxic and suddenly resistance is futile. :happy2:

 

[Mr. P]

ok they ban somthing which is pretty damn near toxic and suddenly resistance is futile. :happy2:

Yeah futile in context. What part of Government Power don’t you understand?