Jake Winker Frogen
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That's pure bunk. We have no idea what temperature fluctuations were like 6000 years ago. The granularity of our records is measured in hundreds of years. You can't legitimately claim our temperatures have departed from anything. There is nothing unusual about our current warming.We have been in a long term cooling trend for 6,000 years, True or False?You believe in global warming, so you don't believe in the scientific method.Facts? The only thing you threw out was Vox bullshit.Nobody cares about your healthcare system....especially the spin from America hating Vox idiots.BECUASE YOU SEND YOUR WORST CANCER PATIENTS TO US TO FIX. Ipso facto, y’all fucks don’t take the hit in death rates. We take on the worst cases, and still have a better death rate than all of y’all. Turns out, it’s pretty easy to take care of healthy people. In Europe they go to Switzerland. What’s the last medical innovation that came out of Australia? At least the French have Sanofi. Stop fucking swimming in our wake. We’re basically subsidizing the entire globes R+D. We’ve been subsidizing NATOs defense spending for decades. We just invented a goddamn missile that goes Mach 45. Why? Because y’all made incredibly stupid deals with China and now you’re having buyers remorse. And now we’re gonna have to arm you once again. What have you done recently for me Australia? The fucking gall of you foreigners who come here and lecture us about our politics while we’re the ones putting in the elbow grease to make YOUR lives better, healthier, and safer.You mean our health care system that bodies the DHSC for legit life threatening diseases like cancer. Our health care system where you can actually get the surgery you need within a week. Our healthcare system that the rest of the world, except Switzerland, has been leaching off of our innovation and the tens of billions we drop into R+D every year. That healthcare system? Y’all treat the healthy for dumb shit like broken arms and infections, while taxing the fuck out of your citizens and pretend like you’re hero’s for doing so. Meanwhile Canada sends all their cancer patients TO ME, to get the very best treatment that WE develop, and then pay for it. Your nurses and doctors are garbage. When y’all can start actually saving your cancer patients and stop sending them to me, and actually preform surgeries on things like joint replacements that aren’t outdated 30 years, when your hospitals have as many top of the line critical care beds as ours do, when you actually do your part in the world and start developing drugs, procedures, and technologies...then you can lecture us on our healthcare.Also, we pay our hospitals more for treating COVID, so anyone who dies, that has COVID is listed as a "COVID" death, whereas in most countries unless COVID is actually what caused your death, your cause of death is not listed as COVID. It's not an apples to apples comparison.America is far from the worst record when it comes to covid deaths and far from the best.NO. That is NOT the case throughout the world unless the CDC is now managing the health of the entire planet.And that of course would be the case through out the world, so we can still rationally compare outcomes and Germany's outcome is much better than America's.
The subject is how the CDC inflated deaths in the US by attributing all deaths to the Chinese originated
covid virus if the virus was present at all. So much so that the CDC was pressured into changing that policy.
Nevertheless that policy was in place for months and the US death toll remains inflated and uncorrected
and you remain disingenuous.
All countries are using that methodology, they have an "excess death mythology" as defined as " A range of estimates for the number of excess deaths was calculated as the difference between the observed count and one of two thresholds (either the average expected count or the upper bound threshold), by week and jurisdiction. Negative values, where the observed count fell below the threshold, were set to zero."
And the method of if one did not have a prognosis of death within the year and contracted COVID it is counted across the globe as a Covid related death.
There is no world health body, or American for that matter, which believes the USA is doing well in this pandemic.
Just wishing Americans were not dropping like flies by playing semantics with the numbers is not going to save any American lives.
I know it serves your agenda to state otherwise, however. Saying we are "dropping like flies" is disingenuous and misleading and it won't win Joe the election you so desperately want.
Nothing will including all the post election chaos and disorder the left has planned.
As things stand right now we will have a covid vaccine soon and society will begin to come out of
politicized lockdown box leftist swine has tried to keep us in.
Joe Biden and all the Karens can wear their little masks all day long, if it thrills them to do so.
Only Spain in Europe has a worse death per 100K rate right now.
As in the chart I have provided in this thread many times.
Just to be clear....
There are other countries...just not in Europe....that have worse rates.
Medical stats from country to country are NEVER an apples-to-apples comparison, because they don't compile ANY medical stats the same way we do. How many times have we heard the canard that infant mortality in the US is so much worse than the rest of the world, only to find out that it's largely because other countries simply don't count children who die in the first week of life as ever having existed at all?
On COVID the death rates per 100k most developed nations are using the same method, indeed it is the USA that most world health bodies are concerned are vastly under reporting due to your fragment health care system run by 50 different states. Some estimates are that the USA is under reporting by 33%.
Me and my wife both work in one of the largest hospitals right next to the covid epicenter. We’re over reporting. 100%. Notice how the flu has effectively disappeared? In this current “spike”, we have 6 covid patients who are actually suffering from covid, among other things.
Australia has similar wait times as the USA, in fact shorter wait times for GP visits, yet gets far better results in every macro category except breast cancer treatment, and even there we are just behind the USA.
All at much cheaper cost.
No we do not actually.
Australia has the best cancer treatment survival rates in the world.
Australia leads global cancer survival rates – but more can be done
An international study shows Australians have the best chance of survival for seven types of cancers.www1.racgp.org.au
Here is a good article about Australian heath care and why over all it gets better outcomes than the USA at much lower cost.
What Australia can teach America about health care
Why the Australian system might represent a realistic path forward for the US.www.vox.com
You don't have to care.
You can continue to naval gaze as many Americans love to do.
I am just throwing the facts out there for the intelligent minority of Americans to consider.
Intelligent people learn from the rest of the world, both good and bad.
I understand, the cult of Trump only believes anything Trump says, nothing else.
All cults work this way.
You sound as if you are involved in the cult of the bubble.
A real true believer.
Though only thing I believe in is scientific method, blue skies and cold Australian beer, the rest is just an opinion.
Yes I do and so does NASA.
Climate Change Evidence: How Do We Know?
The rate of change since the mid-20th century is unprecedented over millennia.climate.nasa.gov
The Holocene climate was warming and actually proves our current warming in large part iscaused by humans. The warming 6,000 years ago was caused by Earth orbital changes which are currently not occurring or causing such rapid warming.
This is actually more evidence of human caused global warming in our time.
Mid-Holocene Warm Period – About 6,000 Years Ago | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI) formerly known as National Climatic Data Center (NCDC)
Paleoclimatologists have long suspected that the "middle Holocene," roughly from 7,000 to 5,000 years ago, was warmer than the present day.www.ncdc.noaa.gov
" Moreover, we clearly know the cause of this natural warming, and we know without doubt that this proven "astronomical" climate forcing mechanism cannot be responsible for the warming over the last 100 years."
Here is a basic primer on why previous climate changes are not proof this climate change is not man made, rather proof it is.
"The Earth was indeed cooling over the last 6,000 years due to Earth's orbit, heading into the next glacial phase scheduled for about the year 3500 AD. But all that changed when we got to the industrial era. Global temperatures departed from that cooling trend, and instead rose parallel with our greenhouse gas emissions."
What does past climate change tell us about global warming?
Natural climate change in the past proves that climate is sensitive to an energy imbalance. If the planet accumulates heat, global temperatures will go up. Currently, CO2 is imposing an energy imbalance due to the enhanced greenhouse effect. Past climate change actually provides evidence for our...skepticalscience.com
I quote the link below again.
"The Earth was indeed cooling over the last 6,000 years due to Earth's orbit, heading into the next glacial phase scheduled for about the year 3500 AD. But all that changed when we got to the industrial era. Global temperatures departed from that cooling trend, and instead rose parallel with our greenhouse gas emissions. "
Yes scientists do know all about orbital causes of climate change, as the NASA link reveals.
We should be in a cooling period this orbital phase, yet we started warming with the industrial revolution.
Every climate change denilist cheery picks part of the information and then runs with it, that is how all conspiratorial minds work.
Climate change denial has all the hallmarks of faith or religion, it only sees what it wants to see.
But science evaluates all the evidence.
Scientific Consensus - NASA Science
It’s important to remember that scientists always focus on the evidence, not on opinions. Scientific evidence continues to show that human activities (primarily the human burning of fossil fuels) have warmed Earth’s surface and its ocean basins, which in turn have continued to impact Earth’s...
climate.nasa.gov
What does past climate change tell us about global warming?
Natural climate change in the past proves that climate is sensitive to an energy imbalance. If the planet accumulates heat, global temperatures will go up. Currently, CO2 is imposing an energy imbalance due to the enhanced greenhouse effect. Past climate change actually provides evidence for our...
skepticalscience.com