Now the evidence is released. ObamaCare passed due to illegal voters voting in 2008.

Two examples were given where what you just posted is not true and there are only 15 posts since the OP.
What the hell is "true" to you people who just cannot accept that America voted for and elected a black guy with a funny name to be president of the United States? That shit must really stick in your craw and all I can say is: Keep searching, that smoking gun that makes all your conspiracy theories true must be out there somewhere. Or better yet I'll just say what all you people said to us when there were real questions about widespread vote counting procedures during the Bush years: Get over it.

What is true is that he lame left can't accept that people just don't like Obama's politics, his way of governing, his lack of leadership, his loud mouth know it all wife, and what he is doing to this country through immigration. No, the lame left has to blame opposition on color because that is what THEY do.

No one said, in the OP, Obama won the presidency because of voter fraud only. Maybe one state that was really close to that is what I responded. Then there is Franken and if you remember votes were found in the trunk of a car. I would say that election was too close to call and needed a run off but that is just me.

So stop with the race BS already it is the 21st century. Yes, there are those who don't want a black as POTUS but believe me these people are on BOTH sides of the aisle. Some democrats I know personally didn't vote at all instead of voting for a black.
Yeah, that must explain why we re-elected him ... because we "don't like" his politics. :eusa_doh:

Are you really as stupid as you are trying to pretend you are?
You mean he wasn't re-elected?? Quick, tell Romney!! :lmao:

For reals, that's whats so puzzling. America wasn't even dumb enough to elect Carter twice.

-Geaux
 
What the hell is "true" to you people who just cannot accept that America voted for and elected a black guy with a funny name to be president of the United States? That shit must really stick in your craw and all I can say is: Keep searching, that smoking gun that makes all your conspiracy theories true must be out there somewhere. Or better yet I'll just say what all you people said to us when there were real questions about widespread vote counting procedures during the Bush years: Get over it.

What is true is that he lame left can't accept that people just don't like Obama's politics, his way of governing, his lack of leadership, his loud mouth know it all wife, and what he is doing to this country through immigration. No, the lame left has to blame opposition on color because that is what THEY do.

No one said, in the OP, Obama won the presidency because of voter fraud only. Maybe one state that was really close to that is what I responded. Then there is Franken and if you remember votes were found in the trunk of a car. I would say that election was too close to call and needed a run off but that is just me.

So stop with the race BS already it is the 21st century. Yes, there are those who don't want a black as POTUS but believe me these people are on BOTH sides of the aisle. Some democrats I know personally didn't vote at all instead of voting for a black.
Yeah, that must explain why we re-elected him ... because we "don't like" his politics. :eusa_doh:

Are you really as stupid as you are trying to pretend you are?
You mean he wasn't re-elected?? Quick, tell Romney!! :lmao:

For reals, that's whats so puzzling. America wasn't even dumb enough to elect Carter twice.

-Geaux
I always get a chuckle when the losing party claims they lost because the voters are judt too stupid to know any better. :lol:
 
Obamacare/ACA is a bill, passed by Congress and signed into law by the POTUS.
The sun is hot, water is wet, dogs bark, cats meow, cows moo.

Are there any other obvious observations that you wish to make?
 
No ID. No Vote.

It's that simple

The problem is that ID by itself doesn't cut it. Legal immigrants and illegal infiltrators who have drivers licenses have photo ID and they use that to vote.
 
I'm still waiting for any liberal to explain how Obama received 100% or MORE of votes in certain districts.

We need to end Motor Voter registration. I think it was designed for fraudulent use.
 
I'm still waiting for any liberal to explain how Obama received 100% or MORE of votes in certain districts.

We need to end Motor Voter registration. I think it was designed for fraudulent use.
I would guess the same way Romney received 100% of the vote in some precincts.
 
Now the evidence is released. ObamaCare passed due to illegal voters voting in 2008.

Really? I didn't read that anywhere. I guess since you can't make your point with facts you have to lie about it, huh.
 
Now the evidence is released. ObamaCare passed due to illegal voters voting in 2008.

Really? I didn't read that anywhere. I guess since you can't make your point with facts you have to lie about it, huh.


Let me help you:

Non-citizen votes could have given Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health-care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) won election in 2008 with a victory margin of 312 votes. Votes cast by just 0.65 percent of Minnesota non-citizens could account for this margin.
 
Now the evidence is released. ObamaCare passed due to illegal voters voting in 2008.

Really? I didn't read that anywhere. I guess since you can't make your point with facts you have to lie about it, huh.


Let me help you:

Non-citizen votes could have given Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health-care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) won election in 2008 with a victory margin of 312 votes. Votes cast by just 0.65 percent of Minnesota non-citizens could account for this margin.

Yeah, I notice every time now whenever there is a recount for a close election, the democrats seems to always come up with the correct number of votes to win. It comes off to me as rather fishy. I always believed Al Franken stole that election.
 
No ID. No Vote.

It's that simple

The problem is that ID by itself doesn't cut it. Legal immigrants and illegal infiltrators who have drivers licenses have photo ID and they use that to vote.

They need to start bringing proof of citizenship. I would gladly bring my birth certificate if that's what it took to bring back honesty in today's elections, but with the way computer graphics are evolving, it is nothing to create phony ID's, naturalization papers, birth certificates and anything else needed.
 
Last two elections in which I voted I was offered a choice.

1. Present photo ID.

2. Cast a "questioned" ballot.

Questioned ballots were put in a separate locked box. In the event that the number of questioned ballots cast was greater than the number of votes separating the candidates they would be counted. Otherwise, if insufficient number to change anything, they'd be destroyed unopened.

When you think that through, if you're allowed to, that is, it's pretty much fair.
 
I'm retired now, but in my job I had to travel quite a bit and never knew when I'd be asked to go somewhere on short notice. Hence, I voted absentee ballots a lot and always wondered whether my votes were thrown away. I'm so glad now that I can vote in person. I remember one time where I got the absentee ballot but discovered I didn't have to travel on election day. I called the registrar's office to inform them that I wanted to return the absentee ballot. They replied that since I had the absentee ballot, I might as well fill it in and mail it because since I had been issued an absentee ballot, I would not be able to vote in person and could get in a lot of trouble if I even tried to do so. Well, that's in Virginia where there are some tight requirements, but I wonder how many others have voted absentee and then shown up in person to vote again?
 
Last two elections in which I voted I was offered a choice.

1. Present photo ID.

2. Cast a "questioned" ballot.

Questioned ballots were put in a separate locked box. In the event that the number of questioned ballots cast was greater than the number of votes separating the candidates they would be counted. Otherwise, if insufficient number to change anything, they'd be destroyed unopened.

When you think that through, if you're allowed to, that is, it's pretty much fair.

The last election, Presidential, they wanted me to show only my voter registration card. I tried to show my driver's license, but they rejected that in favor of my voter registration card, and that stunned me. In Virginia you used to have to tell the voter registrar your full name and address, and they would find your name on their list of registered voters. Then you would show your driver's license and could vote. After the big hullabaloo started by the crybabies over voter id's, even Virginia stopped requiring driver's licenses as proof of ID.
 
Voter fraud. What voter fraud? Oh, that voter fraud.

From the Washington Post:

Could control of the Senate in 2014 be decided by illegal votes cast by non-citizens? Some argue that incidents of voting by non-citizens are so rare as to be inconsequential, with efforts to block fraud a screen for an agenda to prevent poor and minority voters from exercising the franchise, while others define such incidents as a threat to democracy itself. Both sides depend more heavily on anecdotes than data.

In a forthcoming article in the journal Electoral Studies, we bring real data from big social science survey datasets to bear on the question of whether, to what extent, and for whom non-citizens vote in U.S. elections. Most non-citizens do not register, let alone vote. But enough do that their participation can change the outcome of close races.

Our data comes from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study (CCES). Its large number of observations (32,800 in 2008 and 55,400 in 2010) provide sufficient samples of the non-immigrant sub-population, with 339 non-citizen respondents in 2008 and 489 in 2010. For the 2008 CCES, we also attempted to match respondents to voter files so that we could verify whether they actually voted.

How many non-citizens participate in U.S. elections? More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. Furthermore, some of these non-citizens voted. Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010.

Because non-citizens tended to favor Democrats (Obama won more than 80 percent of the votes of non-citizens in the 2008 CCES sample), we find that this participation was large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in a few close elections. Non-citizen votes could have given Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health-care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) won election in 2008 with a victory margin of 312 votes. Votes cast by just 0.65 percent of Minnesota non-citizens could account for this margin. It is also possible that non-citizen votes were responsible for Obama’s 2008 victory in North Carolina. Obama won the state by 14,177 votes, so a turnout by 5.1 percent of North Carolina’s adult non-citizens would have provided this victory margin.
Hmmm ... 339 non-citizens out of 32,800 poll respondents is 1.03%. 6.4% (whom the blogger guestimates may have actually voted) of that is 0.07%. Obama beat McCain 2,142,651 to 2,128,474 in North Carolina. Using the guestimates from this blogger would mean Obama received 2,260 votes from non-citizens compared to McCain's 565 votes; or a net gain for Obama of 1,695 votes ... nowhere near enough for McCain to have won North Carolina. Not to mention, Obama still would have easily won the election even had McCain won North Carolina. For a race to be affected by this, it would need to be a razor thin election, like the Franken/Coleman example.
 
Voter fraud. What voter fraud? Oh, that voter fraud.

From the Washington Post:

Could control of the Senate in 2014 be decided by illegal votes cast by non-citizens? Some argue that incidents of voting by non-citizens are so rare as to be inconsequential, with efforts to block fraud a screen for an agenda to prevent poor and minority voters from exercising the franchise, while others define such incidents as a threat to democracy itself. Both sides depend more heavily on anecdotes than data.

In a forthcoming article in the journal Electoral Studies, we bring real data from big social science survey datasets to bear on the question of whether, to what extent, and for whom non-citizens vote in U.S. elections. Most non-citizens do not register, let alone vote. But enough do that their participation can change the outcome of close races.

Our data comes from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study (CCES). Its large number of observations (32,800 in 2008 and 55,400 in 2010) provide sufficient samples of the non-immigrant sub-population, with 339 non-citizen respondents in 2008 and 489 in 2010. For the 2008 CCES, we also attempted to match respondents to voter files so that we could verify whether they actually voted.

How many non-citizens participate in U.S. elections? More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. Furthermore, some of these non-citizens voted. Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010.

Because non-citizens tended to favor Democrats (Obama won more than 80 percent of the votes of non-citizens in the 2008 CCES sample), we find that this participation was large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in a few close elections. Non-citizen votes could have given Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health-care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) won election in 2008 with a victory margin of 312 votes. Votes cast by just 0.65 percent of Minnesota non-citizens could account for this margin. It is also possible that non-citizen votes were responsible for Obama’s 2008 victory in North Carolina. Obama won the state by 14,177 votes, so a turnout by 5.1 percent of North Carolina’s adult non-citizens would have provided this victory margin.
Hmmm ... 339 non-citizens out of 32,800 poll respondents is 1.03%. 6.4% (whom the blogger guestimates may have actually voted) of that is 0.07%. Obama beat McCain 2,142,651 to 2,128,474 in North Carolina. Using the guestimates from this blogger would mean Obama received 2,260 votes from non-citizens compared to McCain's 565 votes; or a net gain for Obama of 1,695 votes ... nowhere near enough for McCain to have won North Carolina. Not to mention, Obama still would have easily won the election even had McCain won North Carolina. For a race to be affected by this, it would need to be a razor thin election, like the Franken/Coleman example.

NC doesn't have that many electoral votes, but how would things have turned out had the states of contention been Florida, Ohio, or California?
 
Yeah, I notice every time now whenever there is a recount for a close election, the democrats seems to always come up with the correct number of votes to win. It comes off to me as rather fishy. I always believed Al Franken stole that election.
They were close to giving it to Gore, which is why they started off hating Bush so much. They stole the election from Dino Rossi here in WA for the gubernatorial race. He won. They had a recount. He won that. Then the ACORN people tossed in the number they needed with illegal votes set aside into the mix and came up with a 100+ count advantage, the closest margin in our history, maybe in the US. They took over so much that no Republican has had a chance to gain a foothold since.
 
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Obamacare/ACA is a bill, passed by Congress and signed into law by the POTUS.
Obamacare care is a reengineered House bill having nothing to do with Obamacare and passed by a Senate whose majority leader, Harry Reid, refused to seat Scott Brown in time for the vote. Brown's vote would have broke the tie and killed Obamacare in its tracks.

Damn straight, most blatant example of ignoring the will of the people in decades.
Bills aren't crafted for the will of the people. The ACA is law. Get over it.
 
Now the evidence is released. ObamaCare passed due to illegal voters voting in 2008.

Really? I didn't read that anywhere. I guess since you can't make your point with facts you have to lie about it, huh.


Let me help you:

Non-citizen votes could have given Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health-care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress. Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) won election in 2008 with a victory margin of 312 votes. Votes cast by just 0.65 percent of Minnesota non-citizens could account for this margin.

Let me help you. Nowhere in that article did it say that non-citizens elected any of those people. Nowhere, yet your title conclusively declares that it happened.

You lied.
 
Obamacare/ACA is a bill, passed by Congress and signed into law by the POTUS.
The sun is hot, water is wet, dogs bark, cats meow, cows moo.

Are there any other obvious observations that you wish to make?
Just letting you know that your imaginary illegal voters didn't create the law. Run along now, little boy.
 
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