Now it's a basic law: The State of Israel is the national home of the Jewish people

[BlackFlag]

Lots of nations are attacked. What a colossally stupid thing of you to say.

Name the current countries which are being attacked as to their validity to exist.

Or to the rights of its indigenous people being sovereign of any part of their ancient homeland.

Off the top of my head, Catalonia and Tibet. There are many others but I’m not sure how to look it up. As for countries that were attacked in the last hundred years alone, too many to name.

Oh... and Palestine.

Palestine was never a country. A Nation, or anything else but the name of a region, given by the Romans after they defeated the JEWS
in 135 CE.

Catalonia was never a country. It wants Independence from Spain, which is different.

Tibet is a country conquered by the Chinese. But the Tibetans are not being denied their sovereign or indigenous rights to Tibet.

All 3 of those countries are being denied their perceived indigenous rights to self-determination in their country. And they’re not even arguing that minorities they don’t like should have lesser rights than they do.

All 500 First Nations of the USA are being denied self-determination to their ancient lands. But they are not being denied their identity as Sioux, Navajo, etc.

That goes to the Aborigines, Hawaiians, Maori, Berbers, Copts, Kurds, Yazidis, etc.
Not one of them is being denied of their indigenous identity or their rights to self-determination over their land, if they are ever successful at it.


The Jewish Nation is being denied, even by you, of their Jewish identity, indigenous status and self-determination over their ancient homeland.

Plenty of Jews lived in the land that is now Israel, self-determining themselves, before the UN decided to deny the Arabs living there of their right to self-determination over their ancient homeland.

 

[Shusha]

All 3 of those countries are being denied their perceived indigenous rights to self-determination in their country.

Really? Who is arguing against the Catalans being indigenous to Catalonia (now part of Spain)? Who is calling Catalans "foreigners"?

We agree that Catalans, Tibetans and Palestinians should have self-determination. The question is why you are on a thread arguing against that very same thing for the Jewish people.

 

[Shusha]

Christians would unanimously beg to differ. You really shouldn’t bite the hand that feeds.

Christianity is not a culture. Christianity is part of other cultures.

So is Judaism.

Judaism is the religious aspect of the Jewish culture. Jewish culture is much more than just the religious faith.

Same with Christianity. You are changing your definition of culture to suit your steaming heap of horseshit.

It is you who has an inconsistent argument. Christianity is a religion. Judaism is a religion. Islam is a religion. None of these religions form a culture of themselves. But they are part of what defines a culture. Christianity is part of Roman (Italian) culture. Christianity is part of Latin American culture. Christianity is part of Greek culture. Islam is part of Arab culture. Judaism is part of Jewish culture.

Do you need a Venn diagram?

 

[Sixties Fan]

The myths of ALL tribes/Nations on the planet are filled with historical truths and myths.

ONLY the Jewish Nation is attacked and there are endless allegations as to its "impossible " history, how the Jewish people, religion, culture, etc came to be.

Do it to ALL, and not just to the Jewish People.

Lots of nations are attacked. What a colossally stupid thing of you to say.

Name the current countries which are being attacked as to their validity to exist.

Or to the rights of its indigenous people being sovereign of any part of their ancient homeland.

Off the top of my head, Catalonia and Tibet. There are many others but I’m not sure how to look it up. As for countries that were attacked in the last hundred years alone, too many to name.

Oh... and Palestine.

Palestine was never a country. A Nation, or anything else but the name of a region, given by the Romans after they defeated the JEWS
in 135 CE.

Catalonia was never a country. It wants Independence from Spain, which is different.

Tibet is a country conquered by the Chinese. But the Tibetans are not being denied their sovereign or indigenous rights to Tibet.

All 3 of those countries are being denied their perceived indigenous rights to self-determination in their country. And they’re not even arguing that minorities they don’t like should have lesser rights than they do.

You do not care that what you quote is nothing but a lie.
But the Arabs, citizens and loyal to Israel do













So, who do you believe?

The lying sites you read or watch, or the above Arabs and other minorities who have the same rights and are proud of being Israelis?

 

[BlackFlag]

All 3 of those countries are being denied their perceived indigenous rights to self-determination in their country.

Really? Who is arguing against the Catalans being indigenous to Catalonia (now part of Spain)? Who is calling Catalans "foreigners"?

We agree that Catalans, Tibetans and Palestinians should have self-determination. The question is why you are on a thread arguing against that very same thing for the Jewish people.

I have said many times in this thread that I’d love nothing more than to not care what Israel does, but my country feels beholden to you because a bunch of Christians, who you look down on, have decided Israel is our responsibility, and you take full advantage of it. If we were wrapped up in a bunch of religious madness in Catalonia, and Catalonians kept exacerbating the problems and acting against peace, I’d say the same thing about them.

 

[BlackFlag]

Christians would unanimously beg to differ. You really shouldn’t bite the hand that feeds.

Christianity is not a culture. Christianity is part of other cultures.

So is Judaism.

Judaism is the religious aspect of the Jewish culture. Jewish culture is much more than just the religious faith.

Same with Christianity. You are changing your definition of culture to suit your steaming heap of horseshit.

It is you who has an inconsistent argument. Christianity is a religion. Judaism is a religion. Islam is a religion. None of these religions form a culture of themselves. But they are part of what defines a culture. Christianity is part of Roman (Italian) culture. Christianity is part of Latin American culture. Christianity is part of Greek culture. Islam is part of Arab culture. Judaism is part of Jewish culture.

Do you need a Venn diagram?

Jewish culture in New York is different from Jewish culture in Bethelhem. But they share the same rituals and beliefs, thus linking their cultures. You have a different definition of culture for Judaism than for other religions. You are not unique. Your perceptions about your religion are not unique. Christians and Muslims and Taoists and Hindu’s will all tell you that their religions are part of their cultures.

 

[BlackFlag]

Lots of nations are attacked. What a colossally stupid thing of you to say.

Name the current countries which are being attacked as to their validity to exist.

Or to the rights of its indigenous people being sovereign of any part of their ancient homeland.

Off the top of my head, Catalonia and Tibet. There are many others but I’m not sure how to look it up. As for countries that were attacked in the last hundred years alone, too many to name.

Oh... and Palestine.

Palestine was never a country. A Nation, or anything else but the name of a region, given by the Romans after they defeated the JEWS
in 135 CE.

Catalonia was never a country. It wants Independence from Spain, which is different.

Tibet is a country conquered by the Chinese. But the Tibetans are not being denied their sovereign or indigenous rights to Tibet.

All 3 of those countries are being denied their perceived indigenous rights to self-determination in their country. And they’re not even arguing that minorities they don’t like should have lesser rights than they do.

You do not care that what you quote is nothing but a lie.
But the Arabs, citizens and loyal to Israel do













So, who do you believe?

The lying sites you read or watch, or the above Arabs and other minorities who have the same rights and are proud of being Israelis?

I believe the majority over your cherry picking. I remember Bibi rallying Jews to go vote because he claimed hated Arabs were being bused to the polls. Is his wife in jail yet?

 

[Sixties Fan]

All 3 of those countries are being denied their perceived indigenous rights to self-determination in their country.

Really? Who is arguing against the Catalans being indigenous to Catalonia (now part of Spain)? Who is calling Catalans "foreigners"?

We agree that Catalans, Tibetans and Palestinians should have self-determination. The question is why you are on a thread arguing against that very same thing for the Jewish people.

I have said many times in this thread that I’d love nothing more than to not care what Israel does, but my country feels beholden to you because a bunch of Christians, who you look down on, have decided Israel is our responsibility, and you take full advantage of it. If we were wrapped up in a bunch of religious madness in Catalonia, and Catalonians kept exacerbating the problems and acting against peace, I’d say the same thing about them.

Which shows the depth of your ignorance as to why the USA is an ally of Israel and not of Russia, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, North Korea and others.

America has never felt "beholden" to Israel. It could not care less about Jews most of the time, and did not care to help save the Jews under Nazi concentration camps.

If the Christians you speak of are the ones who would like to see Israel destroyed and all Jews dead, then yes, we are all looking down at them, including all the Christians and Muslims who have had enough of the Jews being persecuted.

No, America DOES NOT think that Israel is its responsibility.

Israel has always defended itself, by itself, with NOT ONE foreign soldier being amongst the combatants, not one foreign soldier dying during ANY ONE of the wars since 1948.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Name the current countries which are being attacked as to their validity to exist.

Or to the rights of its indigenous people being sovereign of any part of their ancient homeland.

Off the top of my head, Catalonia and Tibet. There are many others but I’m not sure how to look it up. As for countries that were attacked in the last hundred years alone, too many to name.

Oh... and Palestine.

Palestine was never a country. A Nation, or anything else but the name of a region, given by the Romans after they defeated the JEWS
in 135 CE.

Catalonia was never a country. It wants Independence from Spain, which is different.

Tibet is a country conquered by the Chinese. But the Tibetans are not being denied their sovereign or indigenous rights to Tibet.

All 3 of those countries are being denied their perceived indigenous rights to self-determination in their country. And they’re not even arguing that minorities they don’t like should have lesser rights than they do.

You do not care that what you quote is nothing but a lie.
But the Arabs, citizens and loyal to Israel do













So, who do you believe?

The lying sites you read or watch, or the above Arabs and other minorities who have the same rights and are proud of being Israelis?

I believe the majority over your cherry picking. I remember Bibi rallying Jews to go vote because he claimed hated Arabs were being bused to the polls. Is his wife in jail yet?

And I wonder why in the world Arabs were being bused to the voting poles, and by whom? Do you have that information, or would you like to obliterate it.

No, Mrs. Netanyahu is not in jail, and nor will she be.

One is innocent until PROVEN guilty.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Name the current countries which are being attacked as to their validity to exist.

Or to the rights of its indigenous people being sovereign of any part of their ancient homeland.

Off the top of my head, Catalonia and Tibet. There are many others but I’m not sure how to look it up. As for countries that were attacked in the last hundred years alone, too many to name.

Oh... and Palestine.

Palestine was never a country. A Nation, or anything else but the name of a region, given by the Romans after they defeated the JEWS
in 135 CE.

Catalonia was never a country. It wants Independence from Spain, which is different.

Tibet is a country conquered by the Chinese. But the Tibetans are not being denied their sovereign or indigenous rights to Tibet.

All 3 of those countries are being denied their perceived indigenous rights to self-determination in their country. And they’re not even arguing that minorities they don’t like should have lesser rights than they do.

You do not care that what you quote is nothing but a lie.
But the Arabs, citizens and loyal to Israel do













So, who do you believe?

The lying sites you read or watch, or the above Arabs and other minorities who have the same rights and are proud of being Israelis?

I believe the majority over your cherry picking. I remember Bibi rallying Jews to go vote because he claimed hated Arabs were being bused to the polls. Is his wife in jail yet?

Oh, by the way......

The majority of what?

 

[BlackFlag]

All 3 of those countries are being denied their perceived indigenous rights to self-determination in their country.

Really? Who is arguing against the Catalans being indigenous to Catalonia (now part of Spain)? Who is calling Catalans "foreigners"?

We agree that Catalans, Tibetans and Palestinians should have self-determination. The question is why you are on a thread arguing against that very same thing for the Jewish people.

I have said many times in this thread that I’d love nothing more than to not care what Israel does, but my country feels beholden to you because a bunch of Christians, who you look down on, have decided Israel is our responsibility, and you take full advantage of it. If we were wrapped up in a bunch of religious madness in Catalonia, and Catalonians kept exacerbating the problems and acting against peace, I’d say the same thing about them.

Which shows the depth of your ignorance as to why the USA is an ally of Israel and not of Russia, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, North Korea and others.

America has never felt "beholden" to Israel. It could not care less about Jews most of the time, and did not care to help save the Jews under Nazi concentration camps.

If the Christians you speak of are the ones who would like to see Israel destroyed and all Jews dead, then yes, we are all looking down at them, including all the Christians and Muslims who have had enough of the Jews being persecuted.

No, America DOES NOT think that Israel is its responsibility.

Israel has always defended itself, by itself, with NOT ONE foreign soldier being amongst the combatants, not one foreign soldier dying during ANY ONE of the wars since 1948.

Most soldiers who died in service to Israel to Israel were foreigners, as they did not grow up in Israel and many had just barely moved there.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Christianity is not a culture. Christianity is part of other cultures.

So is Judaism.

Judaism is the religious aspect of the Jewish culture. Jewish culture is much more than just the religious faith.

Same with Christianity. You are changing your definition of culture to suit your steaming heap of horseshit.

It is you who has an inconsistent argument. Christianity is a religion. Judaism is a religion. Islam is a religion. None of these religions form a culture of themselves. But they are part of what defines a culture. Christianity is part of Roman (Italian) culture. Christianity is part of Latin American culture. Christianity is part of Greek culture. Islam is part of Arab culture. Judaism is part of Jewish culture.

Do you need a Venn diagram?

Jewish culture in New York is different from Jewish culture in Bethelhem. But they share the same rituals and beliefs, thus linking their cultures. You have a different definition of culture for Judaism than for other religions. You are not unique. Your perceptions about your religion are not unique. Christians and Muslims and Taoists and Hindu’s will all tell you that their religions are part of their cultures.

They share a religion, which is followed because they read the same Torah.
Which is different from culturally American, or Israeli.

By the way, there are no Jews living in Bethlehem. Not anymore, not for a long time since last century.

Just ask the Christian Arabs who have been reduced from 85 to 15% of the population in Bethlehem since 1993.

Do you know what happened in 1993 for that to happen?

 

[Shusha]

I have said many times in this thread that I’d love nothing more than to not care what Israel does, but my country feels beholden to you because a bunch of Christians, who you look down on, have decided Israel is our responsibility, and you take full advantage of it. If we were wrapped up in a bunch of religious madness in Catalonia, and Catalonians kept exacerbating the problems and acting against peace, I’d say the same thing about them.

A person with any sense of fair-minded social justice and morality should be supporting and celebrating the self-determination of ALL peoples. So why are you on this thread if not to support the self-determination of the Jewish people as outlined in the law which just passed?

The underlying cause of the conflict is the rejection of Jewish self-determination. The conflict will not end until people universally support it. Start here and now. On this thread.

(And yes, I noticed the little nod to antisemitic tropes there with your "look down on Christians" and "take advantage of it". Be clear. Jews do not "look down" on Christians. Many are uncomfortable with the usurption and corruption of Jewish Holy Scripture. Many are very uncomfortable with the replacement and conversion theology which developed with that and see it as a threat to Jews. Many find Christianity nothing past being irrelevant. And many find Christianity to be a lovely and thoughtful religious faith.)

 

[Sixties Fan]

All 3 of those countries are being denied their perceived indigenous rights to self-determination in their country.

Really? Who is arguing against the Catalans being indigenous to Catalonia (now part of Spain)? Who is calling Catalans "foreigners"?

We agree that Catalans, Tibetans and Palestinians should have self-determination. The question is why you are on a thread arguing against that very same thing for the Jewish people.

I have said many times in this thread that I’d love nothing more than to not care what Israel does, but my country feels beholden to you because a bunch of Christians, who you look down on, have decided Israel is our responsibility, and you take full advantage of it. If we were wrapped up in a bunch of religious madness in Catalonia, and Catalonians kept exacerbating the problems and acting against peace, I’d say the same thing about them.

Which shows the depth of your ignorance as to why the USA is an ally of Israel and not of Russia, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, North Korea and others.

America has never felt "beholden" to Israel. It could not care less about Jews most of the time, and did not care to help save the Jews under Nazi concentration camps.

If the Christians you speak of are the ones who would like to see Israel destroyed and all Jews dead, then yes, we are all looking down at them, including all the Christians and Muslims who have had enough of the Jews being persecuted.

No, America DOES NOT think that Israel is its responsibility.

Israel has always defended itself, by itself, with NOT ONE foreign soldier being amongst the combatants, not one foreign soldier dying during ANY ONE of the wars since 1948.

Most soldiers who died in service to Israel to Israel were foreigners, as they did not grow up in Israel and many had just barely moved there.

They were Jewish. JEWISH. They were all defending their ancestral homeland, as any Maori anywhere in the world would return to defend what is now known as New Zealand, if it came to that.

And the Christians and Muslims who volunteered to defend Israel, and the Jewish People in any of those wars, did so voluntarily because they thought it was a just cause against what too many Christians and Muslims were trying to do.

Destroy Israel. Return the Jews to the only state those two religions could accept. No sovereignty, no rights, no country.

 

[Shusha]

Jewish culture in New York is different from Jewish culture in Bethelhem. But they share the same rituals and beliefs, thus linking their cultures. You have a different definition of culture for Judaism than for other religions. You are not unique. Your perceptions about your religion are not unique. Christians and Muslims and Taoists and Hindu’s will all tell you that their religions are part of their cultures.

Judaism is part of Jewish culture. That is entirely my point. It is the exact same definition I hold for other religions. The religion is part of the culture. It is YOU who are denying that religion is only a small part of the Jewish culture. Jewish culture also encompasses all the other aspects I have already mentioned. That is what makes Jewish culture indigenous to that particular place. Not the religion. The broader culture.

 

[BlackFlag]

I have said many times in this thread that I’d love nothing more than to not care what Israel does, but my country feels beholden to you because a bunch of Christians, who you look down on, have decided Israel is our responsibility, and you take full advantage of it. If we were wrapped up in a bunch of religious madness in Catalonia, and Catalonians kept exacerbating the problems and acting against peace, I’d say the same thing about them.

A person with any sense of fair-minded social justice and morality should be supporting and celebrating the self-determination of ALL peoples. So why are you on this thread if not to support the self-determination of the Jewish people as outlined in the law which just passed?

The underlying cause of the conflict is the rejection of Jewish self-determination. The conflict will not end until people universally support it. Start here and now. On this thread.

(And yes, I noticed the little nod to antisemitic tropes there with your "look down on Christians" and "take advantage of it". Be clear. Jews do not "look down" on Christians. Many are uncomfortable with the usurption and corruption of Jewish Holy Scripture. Many are very uncomfortable with the replacement and conversion theology which developed with that and see it as a threat to Jews. Many find Christianity nothing past being irrelevant. And many find Christianity to be a lovely and thoughtful religious faith.)

My country pays a price for your country’s actions. That’s why I’m in this thread. Your argument about conflict rising from Jewish self-determination can easily be thrown back in your face as rising from Palestinian self-determination. And until both of your groups stop behaving like children, arguing about fairy tales, I will condemn my government for involving itself in the madness, and you all for causing it.

 

[Shusha]

They were Jewish. JEWISH. They were all defending their ancestral homeland, as any Maori anywhere in the world would return to defend what is now known as New Zealand, if it came to that.

This.

 

[Sixties Fan]

I have said many times in this thread that I’d love nothing more than to not care what Israel does, but my country feels beholden to you because a bunch of Christians, who you look down on, have decided Israel is our responsibility, and you take full advantage of it. If we were wrapped up in a bunch of religious madness in Catalonia, and Catalonians kept exacerbating the problems and acting against peace, I’d say the same thing about them.

A person with any sense of fair-minded social justice and morality should be supporting and celebrating the self-determination of ALL peoples. So why are you on this thread if not to support the self-determination of the Jewish people as outlined in the law which just passed?

The underlying cause of the conflict is the rejection of Jewish self-determination. The conflict will not end until people universally support it. Start here and now. On this thread.

(And yes, I noticed the little nod to antisemitic tropes there with your "look down on Christians" and "take advantage of it". Be clear. Jews do not "look down" on Christians. Many are uncomfortable with the usurption and corruption of Jewish Holy Scripture. Many are very uncomfortable with the replacement and conversion theology which developed with that and see it as a threat to Jews. Many find Christianity nothing past being irrelevant. And many find Christianity to be a lovely and thoughtful religious faith.)

My country pays a price for your country’s actions. That’s why I’m in this thread. Your argument about conflict rising from Jewish self-determination can easily be thrown back in your face as rising from Palestinian self-determination. And until both of your groups stop behaving like children, arguing about fairy tales, I will condemn my government for involving itself in the madness, and you all for causing it.

One groups has agreed to peace since 1920.

One group has declared war since 1920.


Figure out which is which between the Jews and the Muslims.

 

[BlackFlag]

Jewish culture in New York is different from Jewish culture in Bethelhem. But they share the same rituals and beliefs, thus linking their cultures. You have a different definition of culture for Judaism than for other religions. You are not unique. Your perceptions about your religion are not unique. Christians and Muslims and Taoists and Hindu’s will all tell you that their religions are part of their cultures.

Judaism is part of Jewish culture. That is entirely my point. It is the exact same definition I hold for other religions. The religion is part of the culture. It is YOU who are denying that religion is only a small part of the Jewish culture. Jewish culture also encompasses all the other aspects I have already mentioned. That is what makes Jewish culture indigenous to that particular place. Not the religion. The broader culture.

Jewish rituals are no more special than other religions’ rituals. I consider that a profoundly stupid argument. So move on.

 

[BlackFlag]

They were Jewish. JEWISH.

But not Israeli. And those Muslims and Christians that fought with them are now relegated to second-class status.