Not Our War

[eagle1462010]

Anybody buying a house in Ukraine?

Yeah me neither.

NOT OUR WAR

 

[AveMarica]

Yet, you keep framing it that way. Over and over again. I think you DO need to frame it that way, becasue if we discuss the issue seriously, based on the merits of the competing policies, your policy of endless war, is...clearly terrible.

My policy is supporting a country being invaded by another, your policy is to reward the invaders to sleep better at night.

I'm completely comfortable discussing my position on this issue. I want to cut a deal to end the war, and I am open about the likelyhood that Russia will keep most if not all of the land they have seized.

Yes, your position is that if a country invades another, as long as they can slow the war to a stalemate, they have earned the territory, children, and resources of the country being invaded.

I'm not insulting you to make my argument. I am insulting you becasue you are insulting me. I am insulting you BACK, because you are being a dick.

You're insulting me because you're frustrated at your position being brought to light.

I would rather make my argument, by discussing the merits of our policies, that we support. YOU are the one that refuses to discuss how many lives you are willing to piss away.

You've done nothing but try to twist what you actually support.

When you support a war, you are doing an action that needs to be justified. Saying, "ukrainians" does not support your action. It is a dodge. YOu are being evasive.

That is like saying fighting back against a home invader is supporting violence, and calling it a dodge is you yet again being unable to respond.

Again, if we are discussing our wishes, and what we personally WANT, I have told you what I WANT, ie Russia to become nice and just go home and everyone lives happily ever after.

Pointless rhetoric, yet again.

The term "reward" inmplies the act of GIVING something. Russia has already TAKEN the land by force. They already HAVE it.

So, when you use words like that, you are lying about my position.

Perfect example of how you pathetically try to twist your wanting to give Ukrainian land to Russia.

Vile is pissing away ukrainian lives for no good reason.

Yes, you think a country defending itself from Russia is no good reason. We know.

 

[AveMarica]

When the quagmires go on for years and are killing people daily, the existance of an end at some point in the future, is a cold comfort to the people trapped in it.

Ohh how lucky we have some guy in USA telling everyone on the internet about how Ukrainians feel.

The same guy who wants to reward Russia for invading.

Unlikely, in any reasonable timeframe. The loss of that territory is a fact that is not likely to be reversed in any reasonable timeframe.

Ah and you're in the position to determine what is reasonable, not the Ukrainians who decide whether they want to fight for their country.

You keep refusing to discuss the crux of the issue, how many people are you willing to spend, on the hope that things might just "change" and Russia will somehow be driven from territory they have taken.

I'm not spending any people, I'm supporting Ukraine's decision to defend themselves.

I told you want I want. But I am grown up enough to know that my wishes are unlikely. YOu are willing to spend lives, many ukrainian lives, to keep your wishes alive. You are UNWILLING to discuss how many ukrainian lives your willing to spend.

I'm not spending any lives, Ukraine is. Meanwhile you are advocating giving away Ukraine' s children and land, it is repulsive.

Every time you say it is what I WANT, you are lying. You are lying to support a war that you have no path to victory, not in any reasonable time frame.

Yep, you' re clearly uncomfortable being exposed like this on what you advocate.

That is not just. That is morally wrong.

Anyone supporting rewarding invaders with the spoils is morally bankrupt.

Nope. You are being a dick, in the way you keep attacking me personally instead of discussing the issue seriously or honestly.

Insults won't help you here, I get you're frustrated at being outed like this.

 

[Correll]

My policy is supporting a country being invaded by another, your policy is to reward the invaders to sleep better at night.

And again, all you want to do, is harp on framing and spin, instead of discussing the issue seriously.

Yes, your position is that if a country invades another, as long as they can slow the war to a stalemate, they have earned the territory, children, and resources of the country being invaded.

Meanwhile in the real world, you have no plan to remove the russians from that land.

You're insulting me because you're frustrated at your position being brought to light.

Nope. I would have no problem discussing this issue seriously and honestly and CIVILILLY, if you weren't being an asshole about it.

You've done nothing but try to twist what you actually support.

Said the man that keeps running away from the crux of the matter, ie how many lives is he willing to spend, in support of a war goal, he has no idea how to achieve.

That is like saying fighting back against a home invader is supporting violence, and calling it a dodge is you yet again being unable to respond.

No, it's not like that at all.

Pointless rhetoric, yet again.

Said the man that is only here to insist that I acceprt his rhetoric on the issue.

Perfect example of how you pathetically try to twist your wanting to give Ukrainian land to Russia.

I've explained what I want, from putin dying all the way down to me getting a pony. Every time you use that word WANT, you are lying.

Yes, you think a country defending itself from Russia is no good reason. We know.

And again, all you are about, is spin.

 

[Correll]

Ohh how lucky we have some guy in USA telling everyone on the internet about how Ukrainians feel.

I'm pretty comfortable guessing that people dying in combat or living in heavily bombed cities, are not happy with that.

I stand by that claim. Until you can show otherwise, go fuck yourself.

The same guy who wants to reward Russia for invading.

I already told you, I WANT a pony. My policy position on the war is not based on what I WANT. Everytime you say the word WANT, you are lying.

Ah and you're in the position to determine what is reasonable, not the Ukrainians who decide whether they want to fight for their country.

I am in a position to see that the war in Ukraine has become a stalemate with no likely victory in any reasonable timeframe.

So.... yeah. Your pretense otherwise is just you being a shit talker.

I'm not spending any people, I'm supporting Ukraine's decision to defend themselves.

And again, you refuse to discuss the costs of the policy you support.

I'm not spending any lives, Ukraine is. Meanwhile you are advocating giving away Ukraine' s children and land, it is repulsive.

And again, you refuse to discuss the of the policy you support. A policy that is not working. Russia is the side slowly GAINING land.

Yep, you' re clearly uncomfortable being exposed like this on what you advocate.

I've been completely upfront on my position, ie that I think that a deal needs to be cut, one that will let Russia keep most, if not all of the land they have taken.

You keep harping that I am upset or something about being "exposed". Yet, i am clearly happy to be open about my position and defend it seriously and honestly.

The shit you claim is, fucking retarded shit. YOu look like a fool as you keep spewing this nonsensical shit talk.

Anyone supporting rewarding invaders with the spoils is morally bankrupt.

Nope. The one who is morally bankrupt is the one that wants to spends thousands of lives, tens of thousands, with no clear plan for victory.

Insults won't help you here, I get you're frustrated at being outed like this.

Again, I am happy to discuss the endgame I support, that likely sees Russia keeping most if not all of the land they have taken by force.

You keep harping on this point, when it is clearly false. Clearly false to the point that only a retard would not get the message.


The crux of this issue, is that the war is a stalemate, Ukraine is very unlikely to get what they want, ie all the rissians out of all ukrainian lands. ANd the question thus becomes, are we really willing to spend tens of thousands of ukainian lives on a slim chance of something unforeseen happening in some unknown future to change that?

I am not willing to piss away tens of thousands of ukrainian lives, on a slim hope.


YOU are.

 

[Grau]

I chose "Other" because I wasn't sure which war zone was being discussed:
Russia against Ukraine or an Israeli manipulated America against Iran and / or the Islamic world.

I do not want to derail this thread but I feel that a "Not Our War" movement is exponentially more essential to defend America against the machinations of AIPAC, ZOA etc who have a proven record of deception in driving America into previous fatally flawed wars.

For example:

“QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.”
AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003

From earlier Israeli False Flag deceptions such as the Lavon Affair in the 1950s to the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty to the obscene and transparent war mongering of today, Israel's right wing governments have repeatedly succeeded or attempted to deceive America into sacrificing countless young American lives and untold $ Trillions to preserve Zionist regional hegemony, a rogue nuclear arsenal repeatedly used to threaten and blackmail and establish a genocidal and ever expanding "Greater Israel".

If any war is truly "Not Our War", it is AIPAC's dream of an American fought War On Iran / Islam.

Is dying for the genocidal "Mad Dog", rogue nuclear power of the Middle East anything but treasonous insanity?


Thanks.

"Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother."

Moshe Dayan
Moshe Dayan Quote

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1. "Israel is pushing the US into war against Iran"
Israel is pushing the US into war against Iran


2. "Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu Leads US President Trump to War with Iran"
Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu Leads US President Trump to War with Iran


3. "America Cannot Go to War for Israel"

America Cannot Go to War for Israel

We have a responsibility to stop this hysterical march to war. Iran does not pose any threat to America. The men pushing this war lied to us about Iraq, and they're lying now about Iran.

www.huffingtonpost.com

4. "Lobbyist Says Israel Should Create A 'False Flag' To Start A War With Iran"
https://www.businessinsider.com/top...-with-iran-sink-sub-illicit-false-flag-2012-9

5. "Netanyahu Is Meeting Trump To Push For War With Iran"

Netanyahu Is Meeting Trump To Push For War With Iran

Let's be clear.

www.huffingtonpost.com

6. "Neocon Pundit: The Israel Lobby Wants War With Iran"

Neocon Pundit: The Israel Lobby Wants War With Iran

Ali Gharib on Max Boot's assertion that what pro-Israel lobby groups really want is an attack on Iran.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[Kondor3]

Yeah... that's right, a$$hole$... go ahead with your dumb-a$$ head-in-the-sand approach...

Go ahead and let Hitler Putin take Czechoslovakia Ukraine... I'm sure that's all he wants, right?

"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." ( Winston Churchill )

Goddamned fools.

 

[Concerned American]

es, you think a country defending itself from Russia is no good reason. We know.

I find it curious that you and those who would give American resources and lives away to another corrupt country, had no problem when Russia was doing exactly the same thing to Chechnya and Georgia. The only reason Biden supported Zelensky is because Zelensky has dirt on the corrupt Biden family.

 

[BULLDOG]

Trump promised to end that war in one day. Can anyone determine when that day might be?

 

[Concerned American]

Trump promised to end that war in one day. Can anyone determine when that day might be?

And Joe Biden said look into my eyes, I'm going to end fossil fuels. Can you tell me what day that might happen? Gaslighting over political rhetoric doesn't work anymore.

 

[BULLDOG]

And Joe Biden said look into my eyes, I'm going to end fossil fuels. Can you tell me what day that might happen? Gaslighting over political rhetoric doesn't work anymore.

Not sure Biden said it would happen in 1 day, did he?

 

[Concerned American]

Not sure Biden said it would happen in 1 day, did he?

It didn't happen in his entire four years. Next. SMFH. Try again and check the stupid answers at the door, please.