Not a single thread on the BENEFITS of having massive healthcare companies.

[Yarddog]

Here is how much 17 healthcare CEOs received in compensation during fiscal year 2017, according to Equilar.

6. Ian Read (Pfizer) — $26.17 million
9. Michael F. Neidorff (Centene) — $25.26 million
10. Alex Gorsky (Johnson & Johnson) — $22.84 million
20. Joseph M. Zubretsky (Molina Healthcare) — $19.74 million
22. Richard A. Gonzalez (AbbVie) — $19.13 million
24. Giovanni Caforio (Bristol Myers-Squibb) — $18.69 million
34. David M. Cordani (Cigna) — $17.55 million
47. Timothy Wentworth (Express Scripts) — $15.90 million
51. Miles D. White (Abbott Laboratories) — $15.62 million
53. John F. Milligan (Gilead Sciences) — $15.44 million
56. Bruce D. Broussard (Humana) — $14.87 million
62. Stefano Pessina (Walgreens) — $14.67 million
63. David A. Ricks (Eli Lilly) — $14.50 million
66. R. Milton Johnson (HCA Healthcare) — $13.71 million
83. George S. Barrett (Cardinal Health) — $10.99 million
86. Steven H. Collis (AmerisourceBergen) — $9.91 million
99. Ron A. Rittenmeyer (Tenet Healthcare) — $3.65 million

17 of the highest-paid CEOs in healthcare

Healthcare executives are among the highest paid in the world.

So what do they do for all that money?

And where does that money come from?

Anyone?

I heard an ad on KSEV radio about how foreign countries depend on US companies
to pay for all the research and development for new medicines. So this lowers costs
of medical care in OTHER countries while the US foots the bill.

Now deanrd what if we throw in the factor of reducing costs of medical
procedures and medicines while saving more lives and resources
by R&D on free and natural spiritual healing that removes the root causes
of illness and disease, disorders and addictions.

That free treatment and cure that is saving lives and cutting costs
DOESN'T EVEN SHOW UP in the numbers you cite.

You are only looking at the money on the books, where people
can cite property ownership and assets by those values.

That doesn't necessarily translate into the actual services
it takes to prevent and treat diseases in the real world.

So deanrd given what's really going on in the world,
I don't think you can compare these different systems using
just dollars and cents, or it doesn't add up.

The REAL work to build clinics and teaching hospitals
done by NONPROFITS such as Doctors without Borders
or Americares AREN'T EVEN ON YOUR LIST. They have
more influence, power, knowledge and ABILITY to serve
and save more lives than just the corporations you list
as having money that is tied up in stocks and DOESN'T
necessarily translate into actual services on the ground serving people.

If we start placing value on the people treating and curing
diseases for FREE to SAVE LIVES, that can be the Equivalent
of saving hundreds of thousands in expenses or death PER PERSON,
ie MILLIONS if not BILLIONS
WHICH NEVER SHOWS UP IN THE GNP OR LISTS OF SALARIES YOU POSTED.

Do you understand why you cannot measure health care this way?

We are talking about totally different scales or systems.
Under the REAL system it takes to saves lives and build sustainable
health care around the world, the empty dollars earned from exploiting
poverty disease and lack of access to resources MEANS NOTHING.

If anything, the money and labor to build sustainable health care
will come from workers at the grassroots level, teachers students
residents and interns who don't even show up on your scale.

If we organize more groups to build more local clinics, teaching
hospitals and emergency care centers in every city, country and district
SURE
we can better lobby the Bill Gate and George Soros of the world
to invest in replicating those models. Any maybe turn this around
where the wealthy investors work to build more hospital programs
to train health care service providers, doctors and nurses to serve in public health.

But this won't be accomplished by arguing about who earns how much money.

It will be achieved by promoting SOLUTIONS that CUT COSTS
so that more people invest both LABOR and money into
building sustainable programs DIRECTLY OURSELVES.

That's when we will attract support of investors.
Focus on the solutions, that people want to invest in.
Do what works, and the money will follow!

Wow so much talking. But what does that have to do with healthcare companies? I missed that part.

I thought you were supposed to be smart. Read the first paragraph again.

 

[Oddball]

You do know that a significant number on that list supported Ovomitcare, don't you?

You think they did so because it made them poorer?

So what?

So you're a chunkhead.

Wow!

Witty comeback!

Well, you supported the idiotic laws that lead to these dudes getting even more wealthy.

Now you come here mewling and wringing their hands because.....they're wealthy!

Yup...Chunkhead status confirmed!

 

[Yarddog]

Here is how much 17 healthcare CEOs received in compensation during fiscal year 2017, according to Equilar.

6. Ian Read (Pfizer) — $26.17 million
9. Michael F. Neidorff (Centene) — $25.26 million
10. Alex Gorsky (Johnson & Johnson) — $22.84 million
20. Joseph M. Zubretsky (Molina Healthcare) — $19.74 million
22. Richard A. Gonzalez (AbbVie) — $19.13 million
24. Giovanni Caforio (Bristol Myers-Squibb) — $18.69 million
34. David M. Cordani (Cigna) — $17.55 million
47. Timothy Wentworth (Express Scripts) — $15.90 million
51. Miles D. White (Abbott Laboratories) — $15.62 million
53. John F. Milligan (Gilead Sciences) — $15.44 million
56. Bruce D. Broussard (Humana) — $14.87 million
62. Stefano Pessina (Walgreens) — $14.67 million
63. David A. Ricks (Eli Lilly) — $14.50 million
66. R. Milton Johnson (HCA Healthcare) — $13.71 million
83. George S. Barrett (Cardinal Health) — $10.99 million
86. Steven H. Collis (AmerisourceBergen) — $9.91 million
99. Ron A. Rittenmeyer (Tenet Healthcare) — $3.65 million

17 of the highest-paid CEOs in healthcare

Healthcare executives are among the highest paid in the world.

So what do they do for all that money?

And where does that money come from?

Anyone?

I heard an ad on KSEV radio about how foreign countries depend on US companies
to pay for all the research and development for new medicines. So this lowers costs
of medical care in OTHER countries while the US foots the bill.

Now deanrd what if we throw in the factor of reducing costs of medical
procedures and medicines while saving more lives and resources
by R&D on free and natural spiritual healing that removes the root causes
of illness and disease, disorders and addictions.

That free treatment and cure that is saving lives and cutting costs
DOESN'T EVEN SHOW UP in the numbers you cite.

You are only looking at the money on the books, where people
can cite property ownership and assets by those values.

That doesn't necessarily translate into the actual services
it takes to prevent and treat diseases in the real world.

So deanrd given what's really going on in the world,
I don't think you can compare these different systems using
just dollars and cents, or it doesn't add up.

The REAL work to build clinics and teaching hospitals
done by NONPROFITS such as Doctors without Borders
or Americares AREN'T EVEN ON YOUR LIST. They have
more influence, power, knowledge and ABILITY to serve
and save more lives than just the corporations you list
as having money that is tied up in stocks and DOESN'T
necessarily translate into actual services on the ground serving people.

If we start placing value on the people treating and curing
diseases for FREE to SAVE LIVES, that can be the Equivalent
of saving hundreds of thousands in expenses or death PER PERSON,
ie MILLIONS if not BILLIONS
WHICH NEVER SHOWS UP IN THE GNP OR LISTS OF SALARIES YOU POSTED.

Do you understand why you cannot measure health care this way?

We are talking about totally different scales or systems.
Under the REAL system it takes to saves lives and build sustainable
health care around the world, the empty dollars earned from exploiting
poverty disease and lack of access to resources MEANS NOTHING.

If anything, the money and labor to build sustainable health care
will come from workers at the grassroots level, teachers students
residents and interns who don't even show up on your scale.

If we organize more groups to build more local clinics, teaching
hospitals and emergency care centers in every city, country and district
SURE
we can better lobby the Bill Gate and George Soros of the world
to invest in replicating those models. Any maybe turn this around
where the wealthy investors work to build more hospital programs
to train health care service providers, doctors and nurses to serve in public health.

But this won't be accomplished by arguing about who earns how much money.

It will be achieved by promoting SOLUTIONS that CUT COSTS
so that more people invest both LABOR and money into
building sustainable programs DIRECTLY OURSELVES.

That's when we will attract support of investors.
Focus on the solutions, that people want to invest in.
Do what works, and the money will follow!

Wow so much talking. But what does that have to do with healthcare companies? I missed that part.

I'll help you out cause you need it. Health Care Companies may be far from perfect but many of them invest heavily into research. As Emily pointed out. And often times these may be innovative ideas.... I understand though you would just love a government bottle neck pushing back new developments for the world back decades.

 

[Yarddog]

Here is how much 17 healthcare CEOs received in compensation during fiscal year 2017, according to Equilar.

6. Ian Read (Pfizer) — $26.17 million
9. Michael F. Neidorff (Centene) — $25.26 million
10. Alex Gorsky (Johnson & Johnson) — $22.84 million
20. Joseph M. Zubretsky (Molina Healthcare) — $19.74 million
22. Richard A. Gonzalez (AbbVie) — $19.13 million
24. Giovanni Caforio (Bristol Myers-Squibb) — $18.69 million
34. David M. Cordani (Cigna) — $17.55 million
47. Timothy Wentworth (Express Scripts) — $15.90 million
51. Miles D. White (Abbott Laboratories) — $15.62 million
53. John F. Milligan (Gilead Sciences) — $15.44 million
56. Bruce D. Broussard (Humana) — $14.87 million
62. Stefano Pessina (Walgreens) — $14.67 million
63. David A. Ricks (Eli Lilly) — $14.50 million
66. R. Milton Johnson (HCA Healthcare) — $13.71 million
83. George S. Barrett (Cardinal Health) — $10.99 million
86. Steven H. Collis (AmerisourceBergen) — $9.91 million
99. Ron A. Rittenmeyer (Tenet Healthcare) — $3.65 million

17 of the highest-paid CEOs in healthcare

Healthcare executives are among the highest paid in the world.

So what do they do for all that money?

And where does that money come from?

Anyone?

I heard an ad on KSEV radio about how foreign countries depend on US companies
to pay for all the research and development for new medicines. So this lowers costs
of medical care in OTHER countries while the US foots the bill.

Now deanrd what if we throw in the factor of reducing costs of medical
procedures and medicines while saving more lives and resources
by R&D on free and natural spiritual healing that removes the root causes
of illness and disease, disorders and addictions.

That free treatment and cure that is saving lives and cutting costs
DOESN'T EVEN SHOW UP in the numbers you cite.

You are only looking at the money on the books, where people
can cite property ownership and assets by those values.

That doesn't necessarily translate into the actual services
it takes to prevent and treat diseases in the real world.

So deanrd given what's really going on in the world,
I don't think you can compare these different systems using
just dollars and cents, or it doesn't add up.

The REAL work to build clinics and teaching hospitals
done by NONPROFITS such as Doctors without Borders
or Americares AREN'T EVEN ON YOUR LIST. They have
more influence, power, knowledge and ABILITY to serve
and save more lives than just the corporations you list
as having money that is tied up in stocks and DOESN'T
necessarily translate into actual services on the ground serving people.

If we start placing value on the people treating and curing
diseases for FREE to SAVE LIVES, that can be the Equivalent
of saving hundreds of thousands in expenses or death PER PERSON,
ie MILLIONS if not BILLIONS
WHICH NEVER SHOWS UP IN THE GNP OR LISTS OF SALARIES YOU POSTED.

Do you understand why you cannot measure health care this way?

We are talking about totally different scales or systems.
Under the REAL system it takes to saves lives and build sustainable
health care around the world, the empty dollars earned from exploiting
poverty disease and lack of access to resources MEANS NOTHING.

If anything, the money and labor to build sustainable health care
will come from workers at the grassroots level, teachers students
residents and interns who don't even show up on your scale.

If we organize more groups to build more local clinics, teaching
hospitals and emergency care centers in every city, country and district
SURE
we can better lobby the Bill Gate and George Soros of the world
to invest in replicating those models. Any maybe turn this around
where the wealthy investors work to build more hospital programs
to train health care service providers, doctors and nurses to serve in public health.

But this won't be accomplished by arguing about who earns how much money.

It will be achieved by promoting SOLUTIONS that CUT COSTS
so that more people invest both LABOR and money into
building sustainable programs DIRECTLY OURSELVES.

That's when we will attract support of investors.
Focus on the solutions, that people want to invest in.
Do what works, and the money will follow!

Nice job. I think having this diversity of systems is healthy and a form of diversity. You would think liberals would be all for that. I just couldn't imagine having a single payer government system and what a logistical nightmare that would be, and also for the reasons you cite.
I would imagine research would be decimated if it all had to run through the government

Yeah, because NASA the EPA and all the other government agencies are doing such a terrible job.

Wont you be my neighbor Mr Rogers? .... meet me at the corner of inefficient and invasive.

EPA: The Intersection of Invasive and Inefficient

A March 16, 2015 EPA Inspector General (IG) report found that $2.95 million of sampled EPA research equipment went unused for two to 14 years in the Office of Research and Development (ORD). The IG reviewed “capital equipment,” defined as a piece that costs more than $75,000, at three of ORD’s 14 research facilities nationwide.

 

[Ricky LIbtardo]

Here is how much 17 healthcare CEOs received in compensation during fiscal year 2017, according to Equilar.

6. Ian Read (Pfizer) — $26.17 million
9. Michael F. Neidorff (Centene) — $25.26 million
10. Alex Gorsky (Johnson & Johnson) — $22.84 million
20. Joseph M. Zubretsky (Molina Healthcare) — $19.74 million
22. Richard A. Gonzalez (AbbVie) — $19.13 million
24. Giovanni Caforio (Bristol Myers-Squibb) — $18.69 million
34. David M. Cordani (Cigna) — $17.55 million
47. Timothy Wentworth (Express Scripts) — $15.90 million
51. Miles D. White (Abbott Laboratories) — $15.62 million
53. John F. Milligan (Gilead Sciences) — $15.44 million
56. Bruce D. Broussard (Humana) — $14.87 million
62. Stefano Pessina (Walgreens) — $14.67 million
63. David A. Ricks (Eli Lilly) — $14.50 million
66. R. Milton Johnson (HCA Healthcare) — $13.71 million
83. George S. Barrett (Cardinal Health) — $10.99 million
86. Steven H. Collis (AmerisourceBergen) — $9.91 million
99. Ron A. Rittenmeyer (Tenet Healthcare) — $3.65 million

17 of the highest-paid CEOs in healthcare

Healthcare executives are among the highest paid in the world.

So what do they do for all that money?

And where does that money come from?

Anyone?

Remember when penis envy was embarrassing? I do. You didn't cry about what others had you put your head down, studied your ass off, worked your ass off, and did the best you could. Now all we hear all day long is class warfare and the politics of envy. You didn't build that. We're all equal no matter if you sit on your ass.

What you stupid libtardos are pushing is equal misery for all so you don't have to take responsibility for yourself.

Socialism = Systemic decline, morally and economically.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Better go back over your list....not make anything???
DO Banks make anything....

Yeah.

They invest money.

They offer capital to promote business growth.

They give you a safe place to store your money.

What do healthcare companies give? We have a pretty good idea what they take.

Maybe just goog some of em……...not all service companies

 

[deanrd]

Here is how much 17 healthcare CEOs received in compensation during fiscal year 2017, according to Equilar.

6. Ian Read (Pfizer) — $26.17 million
9. Michael F. Neidorff (Centene) — $25.26 million
10. Alex Gorsky (Johnson & Johnson) — $22.84 million
20. Joseph M. Zubretsky (Molina Healthcare) — $19.74 million
22. Richard A. Gonzalez (AbbVie) — $19.13 million
24. Giovanni Caforio (Bristol Myers-Squibb) — $18.69 million
34. David M. Cordani (Cigna) — $17.55 million
47. Timothy Wentworth (Express Scripts) — $15.90 million
51. Miles D. White (Abbott Laboratories) — $15.62 million
53. John F. Milligan (Gilead Sciences) — $15.44 million
56. Bruce D. Broussard (Humana) — $14.87 million
62. Stefano Pessina (Walgreens) — $14.67 million
63. David A. Ricks (Eli Lilly) — $14.50 million
66. R. Milton Johnson (HCA Healthcare) — $13.71 million
83. George S. Barrett (Cardinal Health) — $10.99 million
86. Steven H. Collis (AmerisourceBergen) — $9.91 million
99. Ron A. Rittenmeyer (Tenet Healthcare) — $3.65 million

17 of the highest-paid CEOs in healthcare

Healthcare executives are among the highest paid in the world.

So what do they do for all that money?

And where does that money come from?

Anyone?

I heard an ad on KSEV radio about how foreign countries depend on US companies
to pay for all the research and development for new medicines. So this lowers costs
of medical care in OTHER countries while the US foots the bill.

Now deanrd what if we throw in the factor of reducing costs of medical
procedures and medicines while saving more lives and resources
by R&D on free and natural spiritual healing that removes the root causes
of illness and disease, disorders and addictions.

That free treatment and cure that is saving lives and cutting costs
DOESN'T EVEN SHOW UP in the numbers you cite.

You are only looking at the money on the books, where people
can cite property ownership and assets by those values.

That doesn't necessarily translate into the actual services
it takes to prevent and treat diseases in the real world.

So deanrd given what's really going on in the world,
I don't think you can compare these different systems using
just dollars and cents, or it doesn't add up.

The REAL work to build clinics and teaching hospitals
done by NONPROFITS such as Doctors without Borders
or Americares AREN'T EVEN ON YOUR LIST. They have
more influence, power, knowledge and ABILITY to serve
and save more lives than just the corporations you list
as having money that is tied up in stocks and DOESN'T
necessarily translate into actual services on the ground serving people.

If we start placing value on the people treating and curing
diseases for FREE to SAVE LIVES, that can be the Equivalent
of saving hundreds of thousands in expenses or death PER PERSON,
ie MILLIONS if not BILLIONS
WHICH NEVER SHOWS UP IN THE GNP OR LISTS OF SALARIES YOU POSTED.

Do you understand why you cannot measure health care this way?

We are talking about totally different scales or systems.
Under the REAL system it takes to saves lives and build sustainable
health care around the world, the empty dollars earned from exploiting
poverty disease and lack of access to resources MEANS NOTHING.

If anything, the money and labor to build sustainable health care
will come from workers at the grassroots level, teachers students
residents and interns who don't even show up on your scale.

If we organize more groups to build more local clinics, teaching
hospitals and emergency care centers in every city, country and district
SURE
we can better lobby the Bill Gate and George Soros of the world
to invest in replicating those models. Any maybe turn this around
where the wealthy investors work to build more hospital programs
to train health care service providers, doctors and nurses to serve in public health.

But this won't be accomplished by arguing about who earns how much money.

It will be achieved by promoting SOLUTIONS that CUT COSTS
so that more people invest both LABOR and money into
building sustainable programs DIRECTLY OURSELVES.

That's when we will attract support of investors.
Focus on the solutions, that people want to invest in.
Do what works, and the money will follow!

Wow so much talking. But what does that have to do with healthcare companies? I missed that part.

I thought you were supposed to be smart. Read the first paragraph again.

Instead of giving me instructions I don't care to follow, how about making your point..............if you can.

 

[deanrd]

Here is how much 17 healthcare CEOs received in compensation during fiscal year 2017, according to Equilar.

6. Ian Read (Pfizer) — $26.17 million
9. Michael F. Neidorff (Centene) — $25.26 million
10. Alex Gorsky (Johnson & Johnson) — $22.84 million
20. Joseph M. Zubretsky (Molina Healthcare) — $19.74 million
22. Richard A. Gonzalez (AbbVie) — $19.13 million
24. Giovanni Caforio (Bristol Myers-Squibb) — $18.69 million
34. David M. Cordani (Cigna) — $17.55 million
47. Timothy Wentworth (Express Scripts) — $15.90 million
51. Miles D. White (Abbott Laboratories) — $15.62 million
53. John F. Milligan (Gilead Sciences) — $15.44 million
56. Bruce D. Broussard (Humana) — $14.87 million
62. Stefano Pessina (Walgreens) — $14.67 million
63. David A. Ricks (Eli Lilly) — $14.50 million
66. R. Milton Johnson (HCA Healthcare) — $13.71 million
83. George S. Barrett (Cardinal Health) — $10.99 million
86. Steven H. Collis (AmerisourceBergen) — $9.91 million
99. Ron A. Rittenmeyer (Tenet Healthcare) — $3.65 million

17 of the highest-paid CEOs in healthcare

Healthcare executives are among the highest paid in the world.

So what do they do for all that money?

And where does that money come from?

Anyone?

Remember when penis envy was embarrassing? I do. You didn't cry about what others had you put your head down, studied your ass off, worked your ass off, and did the best you could. Now all we hear all day long is class warfare and the politics of envy. You didn't build that. We're all equal no matter if you sit on your ass.

What you stupid libtardos are pushing is equal misery for all so you don't have to take responsibility for yourself.

Socialism = Systemic decline, morally and economically.

Who knows what you are talking about?

 

[deanrd]

This subject is a perfect examples of the right wing crazies on the USMB.

Ask a simple question: What are the benefits of healthcare companies?

No one could answer. Instead, they attack. Only they don't know exactly how to make the attack.

Because they just don't know enough.

Healthcare companies are ticks. They suck money off insurance policies.

You could get the same care with an information center and booking office. And you wouldn't be paying for enormous CEO salaries or paying for private company jets.

In fact, healthcare companies have gotten so lazy, they make the doctor's office hire a staff to do scheduling and reminders. Just get rid of the healthcare company and continue to schedule yourself. Just like you do now.

 

[emilynghiem]

Why do liberals always want to take money away from others.

Because they're pretty much born thieves.

Dear mudwhistle and Intolerant
Blaming Liberals as "wanting to take money from people because they are thieves"
is like trying to blame Christian churches for "wanting to take money from people" because they are crooks.

The Liberals who don't use Churches to organize their programs and community outreach
rely on Govt as their central authority to establish their laws and beliefs for the public,
and to run all funding for public programs through this institution.

That's how they believe because they don't use churches or nonprofits to do this
which are a free choice and can't be mandated for all the public to use.

I agree there is a HUGE problem when the GOVT gets abused
to replace God or the Church as the central "nonprofit" program.
Forcing EVERYONE to fund things this way under federalized terms
ends up violating the SAME concept of religious freedom
which Liberals mean with the term "separation of church and state" which cuts both ways.

Some Liberals are able to understand and apply the same philosophy
of Conservatives, Christians and Constitutionalists -- that in embodying
the knowledge and spirit of Constitutional laws directly ourselves, we
can empower ourselves to be self governing and NOT rely on third parties or govt
to make decisions for us. We can do more of the work directly and locally, through
people or states, instead of nationalizing everything centrally through fed govt
in an ATTEMPT to ensure equal access and protection for all persons wanting these services.

However, and this is where it can be hard to grasp:
Liberals who CANNOT think in terms of people embodying the law and becoming
their own Govt are like Atheists who cannot understand the spirit of laws in the Bible.
They don't feel it or perceive it the way Christians do with the Bible, where the
law is LIVING through believers through Jesus; with the Constitution, the law
is embodied in the people as Equal Justice that we all enforce and invoke
where the people are the govt. Atheists who don't get that people are the church,
don't get that this is what makes people the govt either.

The Liberals, atheists or other secular "nontheists" who only follow
the LETTER OF THE LAW don't seem to grasp the SPIRIT the same
way Christians and Constitutionalists do on the right who understand
both Church and State laws reflect Universal Laws that come from God/Nature.

I know some who understand that Peace and Justice are universal
and everyone should live by that. But many do NOT connect "universal
Justice and Peace" with the same spirit and message that Christians
teach is the meaning of Christ Jesus to unify, uplift and heal all humanity as one.

So blaming Liberals for not believing in these laws coming from God
is like blaming Atheists for not getting anything out of the Bible.

It isn't their fault if that's how their brains are wired to perceive the world
and how laws work.

As Allen West described in his book Guardian of the Republic,
today's Liberals came from Radical liberalism from Rousseau
where they believe the role of Govt is to serve as a central agreed
public authority and institution to "establish the will of the people"
in order to protect people from corrupt, abuse violations by wrongdoers;
while today's Conservatives came from the Classic liberalism from Locke
with the belief in LIMITED Govt, where the authority and will belongs
first to the people, and the purpose of laws is to limit how much we
authorize to centralized govt, including the democratic process for
reform, and checks and balances and separation of powers, etc.

Today the Liberals using the Democratic Party and media only
focus on Majority Rule and Court Rulings to make laws, not
invoking or enforcing the Constitution except to use the "letter of the law"
to push their party or ideological BELIEFS through govt as their
central authority.

Again this is just how they believe, similar to Catholics relying on
Catholic authority and structure to establish their beliefs and programs.

The problem isn't solved by BLAMING Liberals and Democrats
for believing this way. The solution is RECOGNIZING these beliefs
and system, and setting up means for such believers in centralizing
everything through Govt to "fund and run" their own programs through
their OWN PARTY STRUCTURES similar to Catholics having their
own Catholic organizations the members agree to support and fund.

That's the best solution I see, to treat Political Parties and their Beliefs
in their Platforms as POLITICAL RELIGIONS where this is optional for
other people to join, fund, support and participate, but for THOSE members
who democratically and freely CHOOSE to make funding mandatory,
they are required to pay to run their own programs they mandate for THEMSELVES.

If we do this for ALL PARTIES, then it's fair.
They all agree to fund and run their own programs and terms
and conditions for membership and social benefits and "tithes" or
Taxes to pay for the "social" programs they believe should be public for everyone.

Only where people of all parties and/or state AGREE should be
publicly or federally funded, we can AGREE to authorize Federal Govt
to manage or allocate funding to the States for those programs.

But where we don't agree on beliefs (such as on abortion or
same sex marriage and benefits) these policies can more simply
be separated by party representation (across states or nationally)
so that everyone is equally free to fund their own terms of policies and funding
on such matters of faith based beliefs and conflicts.

This would be BETTER than Liberals and Conservatives
"blaming each other" for beliefs about Socialism or Capitalism
they don't believe work. Socialists who don't believe in tax cuts
and trickle down don't have to be under that policy. Capitalists
who don't believe in funding and running health care through
federal govt don't have to be under that, but socialists who want
to perfect a statewide and national model are free to fund and
run their own collective membership coops until they make it work.

Don't you think that would make more practical sense
than these group FIGHTING to impose and establish
THEIR political beliefs through govt on each other?

Isn't that a violation of Free Exercise of Religion
and the Establishment clause to take Liberal or Conservative
beliefs and force taxpayers to pay if they believe in something else,
and the other policy violates their beliefs or prohibits their free choice to exercise?

 

[emilynghiem]

This subject is a perfect examples of the right wing crazies on the USMB.

Ask a simple question: What are the benefits of healthcare companies?

No one could answer. Instead, they attack. Only they don't know exactly how to make the attack.

Because they just don't know enough.

Healthcare companies are ticks. They suck money off insurance policies.

You could get the same care with an information center and booking office. And you wouldn't be paying for enormous CEO salaries or paying for private company jets.

In fact, healthcare companies have gotten so lazy, they make the doctor's office hire a staff to do scheduling and reminders. Just get rid of the healthcare company and continue to schedule yourself. Just like you do now.

Dear deanrd
No one is MAKING you patronize a health care company you do not trust with your money.
Look at Doctors without Borders and St Jude's Hospital.
They provide free medical care and build clinics in poor areas.
All using nonprofit donations and volunteer contribution.

What you are asking for is to force either
the Govt to become a huge corrupt "health care company" you hate so much.
Or you expect Govt to suddenly be able to offer the same
services and medical care that Doctors without Borders and
St. Jude's offers for FREE. But those programs that work
do so on VOLUNTARY giving and services.

They are NOT mandated through Govt.
And they work better.
Better than Govt programs.
Better than the scammy health care companies you cite and fault.

So given free choice of which programs you would model
"govt programs" after wouldn't you choose the VOLUNTARY
approach that successful, cost effective and sustainable programs
use, such as mentioned above.

If you are so concerned that other "health care companies"
provide services at the same level as Doctors without Borders,
St. Jude's and AmeriCares, why not write petitions addressed
to these CEO and Boards? And ask them and Bill Gates,
George Soros and others to FUND a sustainable approach
to REPLICATE and expand the work of successful medical
outreach so that it does serve the greater populations in need?

When ASKING and LOBBYING for these groups to fund
sustainable development of health care, do you want to
ask politely and ENCOURAGE people to support the
lifesaving work of the nonprofits serving worldwide?

Or do you want to "bitch moan and whine" and guilt trip
these companies into giving and developing better model programs?

Which approach would you use, or both?
A petition to the public asking ALL people to write "Nice"
letters to Soros, the Gates Foundation, the Clinton
Foundation and all the health care companies you list?

Or asking people to "bitch moan and guilt trip"
until something changes? What strategy would you prefer or suggest?

You may have a good idea in the works,
to address these companies. What if we get all
the members of the D and G parties who want
universal care to ask in a global petition or letter writing
campaign asking for funding. What would you ask
for and how?

Would you really post as you did above?
Or would you ask for something more constructive
that inspires people to respond positively and creatively?

 

[mudwhistle]

Why do liberals always want to take money away from others.

Because they're pretty much born thieves.

Dear mudwhistle and Intolerant
Blaming Liberals as "wanting to take money from people because they are thieves"
is like trying to blame Christian churches for "wanting to take money from people" because they are crooks.

The Liberals who don't use Churches to organize their programs and community outreach
rely on Govt as their central authority to establish their laws and beliefs for the public,
and to run all funding for public programs through this institution.

That's how they believe because they don't use churches or nonprofits to do this
which are a free choice and can't be mandated for all the public to use.

I agree there is a HUGE problem when the GOVT gets abused
to replace God or the Church as the central "nonprofit" program.
Forcing EVERYONE to fund things this way under federalized terms
ends up violating the SAME concept of religious freedom
which Liberals mean with the term "separation of church and state" which cuts both ways.

Some Liberals are able to understand and apply the same philosophy
of Conservatives, Christians and Constitutionalists -- that in embodying
the knowledge and spirit of Constitutional laws directly ourselves, we
can empower ourselves to be self governing and NOT rely on third parties or govt
to make decisions for us. We can do more of the work directly and locally, through
people or states, instead of nationalizing everything centrally through fed govt
in an ATTEMPT to ensure equal access and protection for all persons wanting these services.

However, and this is where it can be hard to grasp:
Liberals who CANNOT think in terms of people embodying the law and becoming
their own Govt are like Atheists who cannot understand the spirit of laws in the Bible.
They don't feel it or perceive it the way Christians do with the Bible, where the
law is LIVING through believers through Jesus; with the Constitution, the law
is embodied in the people as Equal Justice that we all enforce and invoke
where the people are the govt. Atheists who don't get that people are the church,
don't get that this is what makes people the govt either.

The Liberals, atheists or other secular "nontheists" who only follow
the LETTER OF THE LAW don't seem to grasp the SPIRIT the same
way Christians and Constitutionalists do on the right who understand
both Church and State laws reflect Universal Laws that come from God/Nature.

I know some who understand that Peace and Justice are universal
and everyone should live by that. But many do NOT connect "universal
Justice and Peace" with the same spirit and message that Christians
teach is the meaning of Christ Jesus to unify, uplift and heal all humanity as one.

So blaming Liberals for not believing in these laws coming from God
is like blaming Atheists for not getting anything out of the Bible.

It isn't their fault if that's how their brains are wired to perceive the world
and how laws work.

As Allen West described in his book Guardian of the Republic,
today's Liberals came from Radical liberalism from Rousseau
where they believe the role of Govt is to serve as a central agreed
public authority and institution to "establish the will of the people"
in order to protect people from corrupt, abuse violations by wrongdoers;
while today's Conservatives came from the Classic liberalism from Locke
with the belief in LIMITED Govt, where the authority and will belongs
first to the people, and the purpose of laws is to limit how much we
authorize to centralized govt, including the democratic process for
reform, and checks and balances and separation of powers, etc.

Today the Liberals using the Democratic Party and media only
focus on Majority Rule and Court Rulings to make laws, not
invoking or enforcing the Constitution except to use the "letter of the law"
to push their party or ideological BELIEFS through govt as their
central authority.

Again this is just how they believe, similar to Catholics relying on
Catholic authority and structure to establish their beliefs and programs.

The problem isn't solved by BLAMING Liberals and Democrats
for believing this way. The solution is RECOGNIZING these beliefs
and system, and setting up means for such believers in centralizing
everything through Govt to "fund and run" their own programs through
their OWN PARTY STRUCTURES similar to Catholics having their
own Catholic organizations the members agree to support and fund.

That's the best solution I see, to treat Political Parties and their Beliefs
in their Platforms as POLITICAL RELIGIONS where this is optional for
other people to join, fund, support and participate, but for THOSE members
who democratically and freely CHOOSE to make funding mandatory,
they are required to pay to run their own programs they mandate for THEMSELVES.

If we do this for ALL PARTIES, then it's fair.
They all agree to fund and run their own programs and terms
and conditions for membership and social benefits and "tithes" or
Taxes to pay for the "social" programs they believe should be public for everyone.

Only where people of all parties and/or state AGREE should be
publicly or federally funded, we can AGREE to authorize Federal Govt
to manage or allocate funding to the States for those programs.

But where we don't agree on beliefs (such as on abortion or
same sex marriage and benefits) these policies can more simply
be separated by party representation (across states or nationally)
so that everyone is equally free to fund their own terms of policies and funding
on such matters of faith based beliefs and conflicts.

This would be BETTER than Liberals and Conservatives
"blaming each other" for beliefs about Socialism or Capitalism
they don't believe work. Socialists who don't believe in tax cuts
and trickle down don't have to be under that policy. Capitalists
who don't believe in funding and running health care through
federal govt don't have to be under that, but socialists who want
to perfect a statewide and national model are free to fund and
run their own collective membership coops until they make it work.

Don't you think that would make more practical sense
than these group FIGHTING to impose and establish
THEIR political beliefs through govt on each other?

Isn't that a violation of Free Exercise of Religion
and the Establishment clause to take Liberal or Conservative
beliefs and force taxpayers to pay if they believe in something else,
and the other policy violates their beliefs or prohibits their free choice to exercise?

Learn the difference between taxes and donations..

 

[Conservative65]

Why do liberals always want to take money away from others.

Because they're pretty much born thieves.

Dear mudwhistle and Intolerant
Blaming Liberals as "wanting to take money from people because they are thieves"
is like trying to blame Christian churches for "wanting to take money from people" because they are crooks.

The Liberals who don't use Churches to organize their programs and community outreach
rely on Govt as their central authority to establish their laws and beliefs for the public,
and to run all funding for public programs through this institution.

That's how they believe because they don't use churches or nonprofits to do this
which are a free choice and can't be mandated for all the public to use.

I agree there is a HUGE problem when the GOVT gets abused
to replace God or the Church as the central "nonprofit" program.
Forcing EVERYONE to fund things this way under federalized terms
ends up violating the SAME concept of religious freedom
which Liberals mean with the term "separation of church and state" which cuts both ways.

Some Liberals are able to understand and apply the same philosophy
of Conservatives, Christians and Constitutionalists -- that in embodying
the knowledge and spirit of Constitutional laws directly ourselves, we
can empower ourselves to be self governing and NOT rely on third parties or govt
to make decisions for us. We can do more of the work directly and locally, through
people or states, instead of nationalizing everything centrally through fed govt
in an ATTEMPT to ensure equal access and protection for all persons wanting these services.

However, and this is where it can be hard to grasp:
Liberals who CANNOT think in terms of people embodying the law and becoming
their own Govt are like Atheists who cannot understand the spirit of laws in the Bible.
They don't feel it or perceive it the way Christians do with the Bible, where the
law is LIVING through believers through Jesus; with the Constitution, the law
is embodied in the people as Equal Justice that we all enforce and invoke
where the people are the govt. Atheists who don't get that people are the church,
don't get that this is what makes people the govt either.

The Liberals, atheists or other secular "nontheists" who only follow
the LETTER OF THE LAW don't seem to grasp the SPIRIT the same
way Christians and Constitutionalists do on the right who understand
both Church and State laws reflect Universal Laws that come from God/Nature.

I know some who understand that Peace and Justice are universal
and everyone should live by that. But many do NOT connect "universal
Justice and Peace" with the same spirit and message that Christians
teach is the meaning of Christ Jesus to unify, uplift and heal all humanity as one.

So blaming Liberals for not believing in these laws coming from God
is like blaming Atheists for not getting anything out of the Bible.

It isn't their fault if that's how their brains are wired to perceive the world
and how laws work.

As Allen West described in his book Guardian of the Republic,
today's Liberals came from Radical liberalism from Rousseau
where they believe the role of Govt is to serve as a central agreed
public authority and institution to "establish the will of the people"
in order to protect people from corrupt, abuse violations by wrongdoers;
while today's Conservatives came from the Classic liberalism from Locke
with the belief in LIMITED Govt, where the authority and will belongs
first to the people, and the purpose of laws is to limit how much we
authorize to centralized govt, including the democratic process for
reform, and checks and balances and separation of powers, etc.

Today the Liberals using the Democratic Party and media only
focus on Majority Rule and Court Rulings to make laws, not
invoking or enforcing the Constitution except to use the "letter of the law"
to push their party or ideological BELIEFS through govt as their
central authority.

Again this is just how they believe, similar to Catholics relying on
Catholic authority and structure to establish their beliefs and programs.

The problem isn't solved by BLAMING Liberals and Democrats
for believing this way. The solution is RECOGNIZING these beliefs
and system, and setting up means for such believers in centralizing
everything through Govt to "fund and run" their own programs through
their OWN PARTY STRUCTURES similar to Catholics having their
own Catholic organizations the members agree to support and fund.

That's the best solution I see, to treat Political Parties and their Beliefs
in their Platforms as POLITICAL RELIGIONS where this is optional for
other people to join, fund, support and participate, but for THOSE members
who democratically and freely CHOOSE to make funding mandatory,
they are required to pay to run their own programs they mandate for THEMSELVES.

If we do this for ALL PARTIES, then it's fair.
They all agree to fund and run their own programs and terms
and conditions for membership and social benefits and "tithes" or
Taxes to pay for the "social" programs they believe should be public for everyone.

Only where people of all parties and/or state AGREE should be
publicly or federally funded, we can AGREE to authorize Federal Govt
to manage or allocate funding to the States for those programs.

But where we don't agree on beliefs (such as on abortion or
same sex marriage and benefits) these policies can more simply
be separated by party representation (across states or nationally)
so that everyone is equally free to fund their own terms of policies and funding
on such matters of faith based beliefs and conflicts.

This would be BETTER than Liberals and Conservatives
"blaming each other" for beliefs about Socialism or Capitalism
they don't believe work. Socialists who don't believe in tax cuts
and trickle down don't have to be under that policy. Capitalists
who don't believe in funding and running health care through
federal govt don't have to be under that, but socialists who want
to perfect a statewide and national model are free to fund and
run their own collective membership coops until they make it work.

Don't you think that would make more practical sense
than these group FIGHTING to impose and establish
THEIR political beliefs through govt on each other?

Isn't that a violation of Free Exercise of Religion
and the Establishment clause to take Liberal or Conservative
beliefs and force taxpayers to pay if they believe in something else,
and the other policy violates their beliefs or prohibits their free choice to exercise?

Learn the difference between taxes and donations..

Doesn't the left believe that higher taxes on someone else is the same as if they made a personal donation since they supported it?

 

[Leo123]

Here is how much 17 healthcare CEOs received in compensation during fiscal year 2017, according to Equilar.

6. Ian Read (Pfizer) — $26.17 million
9. Michael F. Neidorff (Centene) — $25.26 million
10. Alex Gorsky (Johnson & Johnson) — $22.84 million
20. Joseph M. Zubretsky (Molina Healthcare) — $19.74 million
22. Richard A. Gonzalez (AbbVie) — $19.13 million
24. Giovanni Caforio (Bristol Myers-Squibb) — $18.69 million
34. David M. Cordani (Cigna) — $17.55 million
47. Timothy Wentworth (Express Scripts) — $15.90 million
51. Miles D. White (Abbott Laboratories) — $15.62 million
53. John F. Milligan (Gilead Sciences) — $15.44 million
56. Bruce D. Broussard (Humana) — $14.87 million
62. Stefano Pessina (Walgreens) — $14.67 million
63. David A. Ricks (Eli Lilly) — $14.50 million
66. R. Milton Johnson (HCA Healthcare) — $13.71 million
83. George S. Barrett (Cardinal Health) — $10.99 million
86. Steven H. Collis (AmerisourceBergen) — $9.91 million
99. Ron A. Rittenmeyer (Tenet Healthcare) — $3.65 million

17 of the highest-paid CEOs in healthcare

Healthcare executives are among the highest paid in the world.

So what do they do for all that money?

And where does that money come from?

Anyone?

Government taxes take MORE and waste most of it. Yet you want to punish those who actually contribute. Typical Democrat load of shit.

 

[beautress]

Here is how much 17 healthcare CEOs received in compensation during fiscal year 2017, according to Equilar.

6. Ian Read (Pfizer) — $26.17 million
9. Michael F. Neidorff (Centene) — $25.26 million
10. Alex Gorsky (Johnson & Johnson) — $22.84 million
20. Joseph M. Zubretsky (Molina Healthcare) — $19.74 million
22. Richard A. Gonzalez (AbbVie) — $19.13 million
24. Giovanni Caforio (Bristol Myers-Squibb) — $18.69 million
34. David M. Cordani (Cigna) — $17.55 million
47. Timothy Wentworth (Express Scripts) — $15.90 million
51. Miles D. White (Abbott Laboratories) — $15.62 million
53. John F. Milligan (Gilead Sciences) — $15.44 million
56. Bruce D. Broussard (Humana) — $14.87 million
62. Stefano Pessina (Walgreens) — $14.67 million
63. David A. Ricks (Eli Lilly) — $14.50 million
66. R. Milton Johnson (HCA Healthcare) — $13.71 million
83. George S. Barrett (Cardinal Health) — $10.99 million
86. Steven H. Collis (AmerisourceBergen) — $9.91 million
99. Ron A. Rittenmeyer (Tenet Healthcare) — $3.65 million

17 of the highest-paid CEOs in healthcare

Healthcare executives are among the highest paid in the world.

So what do they do for all that money?

And where does that money come from?

Anyone?

Good reason to eat right, exercise right, purify water right, and get a good night's sleep. Stay Well!

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Here is how much 17 healthcare CEOs received in compensation during fiscal year 2017, according to Equilar.

6. Ian Read (Pfizer) — $26.17 million
9. Michael F. Neidorff (Centene) — $25.26 million
10. Alex Gorsky (Johnson & Johnson) — $22.84 million
20. Joseph M. Zubretsky (Molina Healthcare) — $19.74 million
22. Richard A. Gonzalez (AbbVie) — $19.13 million
24. Giovanni Caforio (Bristol Myers-Squibb) — $18.69 million
34. David M. Cordani (Cigna) — $17.55 million
47. Timothy Wentworth (Express Scripts) — $15.90 million
51. Miles D. White (Abbott Laboratories) — $15.62 million
53. John F. Milligan (Gilead Sciences) — $15.44 million
56. Bruce D. Broussard (Humana) — $14.87 million
62. Stefano Pessina (Walgreens) — $14.67 million
63. David A. Ricks (Eli Lilly) — $14.50 million
66. R. Milton Johnson (HCA Healthcare) — $13.71 million
83. George S. Barrett (Cardinal Health) — $10.99 million
86. Steven H. Collis (AmerisourceBergen) — $9.91 million
99. Ron A. Rittenmeyer (Tenet Healthcare) — $3.65 million

17 of the highest-paid CEOs in healthcare

Healthcare executives are among the highest paid in the world.

So what do they do for all that money?

And where does that money come from?

Anyone?

It comes from the money you and I pay (well, the money I pay...you are a mooch).

This is what happens when big government props up big business.

Thank you Obama.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

So, if they don't make anything and they don't sell anything, why are they getting so much money?

Why are you so stupid ?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

This subject is a perfect examples of the right wing crazies on the USMB.

Ask a simple question: What are the benefits of healthcare companies?

No one could answer. Instead, they attack. Only they don't know exactly how to make the attack.

Because they just don't know enough.

Healthcare companies are ticks. They suck money off insurance policies.

You could get the same care with an information center and booking office. And you wouldn't be paying for enormous CEO salaries or paying for private company jets.

In fact, healthcare companies have gotten so lazy, they make the doctor's office hire a staff to do scheduling and reminders. Just get rid of the healthcare company and continue to schedule yourself. Just like you do now.

If they could, they would.

Or are you that dense ?

Why are all these high paid executives pulling out of markets that would make them more money ?

Because they won't make money.

Imagine that ?

I don't like paying high salaries through higher premiums either.

But you and Obama have made them very rich.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Here is how much 17 healthcare CEOs received in compensation during fiscal year 2017, according to Equilar.

6. Ian Read (Pfizer) — $26.17 million
9. Michael F. Neidorff (Centene) — $25.26 million
10. Alex Gorsky (Johnson & Johnson) — $22.84 million
20. Joseph M. Zubretsky (Molina Healthcare) — $19.74 million
22. Richard A. Gonzalez (AbbVie) — $19.13 million
24. Giovanni Caforio (Bristol Myers-Squibb) — $18.69 million
34. David M. Cordani (Cigna) — $17.55 million
47. Timothy Wentworth (Express Scripts) — $15.90 million
51. Miles D. White (Abbott Laboratories) — $15.62 million
53. John F. Milligan (Gilead Sciences) — $15.44 million
56. Bruce D. Broussard (Humana) — $14.87 million
62. Stefano Pessina (Walgreens) — $14.67 million
63. David A. Ricks (Eli Lilly) — $14.50 million
66. R. Milton Johnson (HCA Healthcare) — $13.71 million
83. George S. Barrett (Cardinal Health) — $10.99 million
86. Steven H. Collis (AmerisourceBergen) — $9.91 million
99. Ron A. Rittenmeyer (Tenet Healthcare) — $3.65 million

17 of the highest-paid CEOs in healthcare

Healthcare executives are among the highest paid in the world.

So what do they do for all that money?

And where does that money come from?

Anyone?

I heard an ad on KSEV radio about how foreign countries depend on US companies
to pay for all the research and development for new medicines. So this lowers costs
of medical care in OTHER countries while the US foots the bill.

Now deanrd what if we throw in the factor of reducing costs of medical
procedures and medicines while saving more lives and resources
by R&D on free and natural spiritual healing that removes the root causes
of illness and disease, disorders and addictions.

That free treatment and cure that is saving lives and cutting costs
DOESN'T EVEN SHOW UP in the numbers you cite.

You are only looking at the money on the books, where people
can cite property ownership and assets by those values.

That doesn't necessarily translate into the actual services
it takes to prevent and treat diseases in the real world.

So deanrd given what's really going on in the world,
I don't think you can compare these different systems using
just dollars and cents, or it doesn't add up.

The REAL work to build clinics and teaching hospitals
done by NONPROFITS such as Doctors without Borders
or Americares AREN'T EVEN ON YOUR LIST. They have
more influence, power, knowledge and ABILITY to serve
and save more lives than just the corporations you list
as having money that is tied up in stocks and DOESN'T
necessarily translate into actual services on the ground serving people.

If we start placing value on the people treating and curing
diseases for FREE to SAVE LIVES, that can be the Equivalent
of saving hundreds of thousands in expenses or death PER PERSON,
ie MILLIONS if not BILLIONS
WHICH NEVER SHOWS UP IN THE GNP OR LISTS OF SALARIES YOU POSTED.

Do you understand why you cannot measure health care this way?

We are talking about totally different scales or systems.
Under the REAL system it takes to saves lives and build sustainable
health care around the world, the empty dollars earned from exploiting
poverty disease and lack of access to resources MEANS NOTHING.

If anything, the money and labor to build sustainable health care
will come from workers at the grassroots level, teachers students
residents and interns who don't even show up on your scale.

If we organize more groups to build more local clinics, teaching
hospitals and emergency care centers in every city, country and district
SURE
we can better lobby the Bill Gate and George Soros of the world
to invest in replicating those models. Any maybe turn this around
where the wealthy investors work to build more hospital programs
to train health care service providers, doctors and nurses to serve in public health.

But this won't be accomplished by arguing about who earns how much money.

It will be achieved by promoting SOLUTIONS that CUT COSTS
so that more people invest both LABOR and money into
building sustainable programs DIRECTLY OURSELVES.

That's when we will attract support of investors.
Focus on the solutions, that people want to invest in.
Do what works, and the money will follow!

Wow so much talking. But what does that have to do with healthcare companies? I missed that part.

I thought you were supposed to be smart. Read the first paragraph again.

What would ever lead you to believe deanrd (a.k.a. the board moron) is smart ?

 

[Sun Devil 92]

Better go back over your list....not make anything???
DO Banks make anything....

Yeah.

They invest money.

They offer capital to promote business growth.

They give you a safe place to store your money.

What do healthcare companies give? We have a pretty good idea what they take.

Insurance companies are huge financial houses ?

How are you so ignorant ?