Roudy
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Make me. George Washington and Begin fought and served their people in order to gain independence and statehood. Arafat brought death and misery to his people and stole billions.
Nobel Prize For Palestinian Hero?
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Roudy
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You mean he was a leader of a national movement who defended his people and prevented genocidal Muslims from carrying out their intentions.
and accomplished nothing ;--)
Begin was no different than Marwan. Both were members of paramilitary groups, both fighting for a cause and both targeting civilians. In fact, Irgun under Begin saw a huge increase in civilian targeting. The only difference is that the British never caught Begin.
Marwan has also had the courage to promote a peaceful resistance and dialogue with Israel while imprisoned.
So not much difference between the two.
What was the topic again?
False.
I live in Colorado, doesn't make me any less Cayuga than if I were back on my homelands now. I could RETURN whenever I so chose and I'd still be Cayuga. A native person may RETURN to a homeland anytime and its still their homeland.
On the other hand the Arab Muslims homeland is in Arabia.
Which completely demolishes the Arab Muslim narrative regarding illusions to a legitimate cause.
You don't know a thing about history if you think what I'm suggesting is in any way associated with the trail of tears incident. Which as coincidence would have it I just rote a history piece for elsewhere.
The five civilized nations were completely peaceful and had in no way involved themselves in anything that could be misconstrued as terrorism.
The Arab Muslims in Israel on the other hand. Well it hardly bears mentioning.
The Geneva Conventions allow for the controlling power to segregate POWs from civilians and to repatriate the POWs to their places of origin or otherwise. No mutual agreements need be made between combatants in order for the expulsion of either POWs or combatants.
Yur logic fails on every level. ;--)
One problem.
"Native Muslims" come from all over the world.
Major fail that.
Great 'yote cartoon though
Actually the fail is that I specified Arab muslims ;--) and you conveniently missed it.
The Arab Muslims in Israel are the problem are Arabian.
Even if you want to pretend that there ever were a people called palestinians who weren't Judaic you still have the problem of them being Jordanians. And Jordan illegally stripping them of their citizenship. In which case they're homeland is in Jordan. ;--)
Nonsense, did your man Marwan sign an international peace treaty ? DId he reject the terrorist tactics and insist on taking a higher road ?
NO
Marwan slaughtered, what, five innocent people and now sits in prison when most other countries would have him fried in the chair.
He no more deserves a nobel than Charlie Manson does.
What was the topic again?
False.
I live in Colorado, doesn't make me any less Cayuga than if I were back on my homelands now. I could RETURN whenever I so chose and I'd still be Cayuga. A native person may RETURN to a homeland anytime and its still their homeland.
On the other hand the Arab Muslims homeland is in Arabia.
Which completely demolishes the Arab Muslim narrative regarding illusions to a legitimate cause.
You don't know a thing about history if you think what I'm suggesting is in any way associated with the trail of tears incident. Which as coincidence would have it I just rote a history piece for elsewhere.
The five civilized nations were completely peaceful and had in no way involved themselves in anything that could be misconstrued as terrorism.
The Arab Muslims in Israel on the other hand. Well it hardly bears mentioning.
The Geneva Conventions allow for the controlling power to segregate POWs from civilians and to repatriate the POWs to their places of origin or otherwise. No mutual agreements need be made between combatants in order for the expulsion of either POWs or combatants.
Yur logic fails on every level. ;--)
One problem.
"Native Muslims" come from all over the world.
Major fail that.
Great 'yote cartoon though
Actually the fail is that I specified Arab muslims ;--) and you conveniently missed it.
The Arab Muslims in Israel are the problem are Arabian.
Even if you want to pretend that there ever were a people called palestinians who weren't Judaic you still have the problem of them being Jordanians. And Jordan illegally stripping them of their citizenship. In which case they're homeland is in Jordan. ;--)
What was the topic again?
False.
I live in Colorado, doesn't make me any less Cayuga than if I were back on my homelands now. I could RETURN whenever I so chose and I'd still be Cayuga. A native person may RETURN to a homeland anytime and its still their homeland.
On the other hand the Arab Muslims homeland is in Arabia.
Which completely demolishes the Arab Muslim narrative regarding illusions to a legitimate cause.
You don't know a thing about history if you think what I'm suggesting is in any way associated with the trail of tears incident. Which as coincidence would have it I just rote a history piece for elsewhere.
The five civilized nations were completely peaceful and had in no way involved themselves in anything that could be misconstrued as terrorism.
The Arab Muslims in Israel on the other hand. Well it hardly bears mentioning.
The Geneva Conventions allow for the controlling power to segregate POWs from civilians and to repatriate the POWs to their places of origin or otherwise. No mutual agreements need be made between combatants in order for the expulsion of either POWs or combatants.
Yur logic fails on every level. ;--)
One problem.
"Native Muslims" come from all over the world.
Major fail that.
Great 'yote cartoon though
Actually the fail is that I specified Arab muslims ;--) and you conveniently missed it.
The Arab Muslims in Israel are the problem are Arabian.
Even if you want to pretend that there ever were a people called palestinians who weren't Judaic you still have the problem of them being Jordanians. And Jordan illegally stripping them of their citizenship. In which case they're homeland is in Jordan. ;--)
It was something about the pure idiocy of submitting a convicted and jailed terrorist for recognition as what I can't imagine by the Nobel committee. A greater travesty of justice I can't imagine.
Why ?
RoccoR
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montelatici, Roudy, et al,
I was sort of waiting for someone to point out the reason behind the Nobel Committee for recognizing these two. It had nothing to do with war activities, attacks or hostile actions
The 1978 Nobel Peace Prize was conferred upon to Anwar al-Sadat and Menachem Begin for their work hammering out the Camp David Accord on "Peace" between Egypt and Israel; which helped to stabilize the Middle East.
The Chairman of the Norwegian Nobel Committee (Aase Lionaes) noted in his presentation speech:
The Nobel Peace Prize is not presented to a leader of a terrorist wing for planning and enabling many terror attacks in which Israelis civilians were murdered in violation of Article 51(3) of Additional Protocol I, protecting them when they are not involved direct part in hostilities; absent a clear "military advantage." Nor could a "Peace Prize" be awarded to for the malfeasance of a leader's intentional location of Paramilitary Objectives inside Densely Populated Areas and the leader's intentionally ignoring the requirement to remove of Civilians from the vicinity of Military Operations in order to achieve a deliberate increase the political and propaganda value in the civilian casualties.
Most Respectfully,
R
I was sort of waiting for someone to point out the reason behind the Nobel Committee for recognizing these two. It had nothing to do with war activities, attacks or hostile actions
The 1978 Nobel Peace Prize was conferred upon to Anwar al-Sadat and Menachem Begin for their work hammering out the Camp David Accord on "Peace" between Egypt and Israel; which helped to stabilize the Middle East.
(COMMENT)
The Chairman of the Norwegian Nobel Committee (Aase Lionaes) noted in his presentation speech:
"Never has the Peace Prize expressed a greater or more audacious hope - a hope of peace for the people of Egypt, for the people of Israel, and for all the peoples of the strife-torn and war-ravaged Middle East."
The Nobel Peace Prize is not presented to a leader of a terrorist wing for planning and enabling many terror attacks in which Israelis civilians were murdered in violation of Article 51(3) of Additional Protocol I, protecting them when they are not involved direct part in hostilities; absent a clear "military advantage." Nor could a "Peace Prize" be awarded to for the malfeasance of a leader's intentional location of Paramilitary Objectives inside Densely Populated Areas and the leader's intentionally ignoring the requirement to remove of Civilians from the vicinity of Military Operations in order to achieve a deliberate increase the political and propaganda value in the civilian casualties.
Most Respectfully,
R
montelatici
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Yet Begin, received the Peace Prize and was a leader of a terrorist group that planned and executed many terror attacks in which thousands of Palestinian civilians were murdered in violation of Article 51(3) of Additional Protocol I, protecting them when they are not involved direct part in hostilities; absent a clear "military advantage." And, Begin received the Peace Prize notwithstanding his intentional malfeasance of locating of paramilitary objectives inside densely populated Christian and Muslim villages Areas, intentionally murdering civilians to induce terror in the civilian populace promoting the departure of the remaining civilians to achieve ethnic cleansing.
Didn't Menachem Begin receive the Nobel Peace Prize?
As did Arafat and Mandella and they were both self confessed terrorists
Roudy
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"Thousands of Palestinian civilians murdered by Begin"?! Jayzus, your lies get worse and worse with each progressive post. Time to retool the antisemtic propaganda machine.
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It seems that Arabs-Moslems define their heroes as those social misfits and thieves who worship a brutish and violent ideology that consigns it’s adherents to poverty, un-treated disease, ignorance, early death, mass murder/suicide and of course, leadership toward those goals.
montelatici
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Begin was the leader of the Irgun. How many Palestinian civilians and British do you figure Irgun killed?
Yikes
You really are kinda ignorant aren't you
Begin moved past his beginnings ;--) and went on to become a pillar for peace, even when others were calling for war. He took those famous first steps and died for them. What did Marwan do ? Other than kill civilians ?
montelatici
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That wasn't the issue. Begin was a terrorist and he received the Peace Prize.
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Freedom fighter.
RoccoR
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montelatici,, et al,
Is this all you have?
The Irgun has not been around for more than half a century. It has not posed a threat or take the life of an Arab Palestinian for more than half a century. This is not what we would call a current threat.
Menachem Begin, was operating in a completely different political landscape, under a different set of political rules, and against a varied and generally larger threat than of a much more volatile nature and bloodthirsty perspective.
• Remember, the Irgun was disbanded before the Fourth Geneva Convention even went into force in 1949.
• Remember the Jewish Immigrants had to suffer multiple riots (organized by the Islamic Clergy) and clandestine attacks (mounted by the Black Hand) Arab Palestinians.
• Remember the Jewish Immigrants had to face the Army of the Holy War and the Arab Liberation Army led by former Arab Palestinians Nazi Officers during the Palestinian Civil War.
Why don't you advance your arguments forward seven decades and talk about the event of today that have a chance of promoting peace. Forget the nonsense and whining of Arab League and Palestinian wars and battles that have been relegated into history.
•∆• What have the Arab Palestinians done since the turn of the century to advance the peace process?
Most Respectfully,
R
Is this all you have?
(COMMENT)
The Irgun has not been around for more than half a century. It has not posed a threat or take the life of an Arab Palestinian for more than half a century. This is not what we would call a current threat.
Menachem Begin, was operating in a completely different political landscape, under a different set of political rules, and against a varied and generally larger threat than of a much more volatile nature and bloodthirsty perspective.
• Remember, the Irgun was disbanded before the Fourth Geneva Convention even went into force in 1949.
• Remember the Jewish Immigrants had to suffer multiple riots (organized by the Islamic Clergy) and clandestine attacks (mounted by the Black Hand) Arab Palestinians.
• Remember the Jewish Immigrants had to face the Army of the Holy War and the Arab Liberation Army led by former Arab Palestinians Nazi Officers during the Palestinian Civil War.
Why don't you advance your arguments forward seven decades and talk about the event of today that have a chance of promoting peace. Forget the nonsense and whining of Arab League and Palestinian wars and battles that have been relegated into history.
•∆• What have the Arab Palestinians done since the turn of the century to advance the peace process?
Most Respectfully,
R
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