Noam Chomsky on Obama and his Cabinet Selections

[GHook93]

Isreal

First if you are going to claim to have such knowledge on the subject, then learn to spell Israel! the a before the e!

Do the pro-Isreali factions distort American foreign policy for it's benefit?

No this is classic anti-semitism! People distort the power of AIPAC and the Jewish American. People cry that the Jews got us into Iraq, yet the vast majority of Jews were against it and still against it. That includes, actually especially includes, the bigwigs in Hollywood!

Poll: Jews against Iraq war - Jewish News of Greater Phoenix
"Groups Mum On Iraq, Despite Antiwar Tide - Forward.com"

To be sure. America has been allied to Isreal since 1948 unquestionably, and I think from an America-first viewpoint, unwisely, too.

PLEASE! When has any American soldiers set foot during any of Israel's wars! The answer is they haven't! How great of a friend we're we in '48? We put an arms embargo onto the entire area, however the other superpower was arming to the teeth Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Libya, Lebanon and Syria! In '53 the Americans are the ones that forced the Israelis to ceases military actions, after winning deceive victories after the Egyptian attack. The 60s is when the tide turned, mainly because the US was using Israel as a pawn in the cold war. But again in '67, '73, '82 etc not one US soldier set foot in any Israel wars. Yet America went to war to protect Kuwait, South Korea and South Vietnam. France, UK, Cuba (Spainish American War) and Europe!

Now I am not delussional to believe that the billions of dollars we send in military aid is small patotoes!

But does our entire foreign policy hinge on that single issue?
Not hardly.

Our efforts in South America, Asia (Vietnam and Korea), Africa, Afghanistan (both now and against the Russians) and even Iraq (Desert Storm had nothing to do with Israel, rather everything to do with Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Oil; Also the 2nd Gulf War as NOTHING to do with Israel, in fact I can make an arguement that Israel is much worse off with Sadam and his Iran/Ayatollah hating regime being replaced with the Shia and Iran friendly regime) have nothing to do with Israel!

The continued existence of Isreal and our support of it is, I think, just part of a grander world order vision that is unfolding and has been unfolding since the fall of the Soviet Union.

How so?

 

[GHook93]

Frankly, I'm surprised by you.

Are you surprised by this ...

Barack Obama: The first Jewish president?
Barack Obama: The first Jewish president? -- chicagotribune.com

Martin Lewis: America's First Jewish President
Martin Lewis: Barack Obama: America's First Jewish President!

Harold Pollack: Obama's Worst Kept Secret of the Campaign

Some years ago, Nobel author Toni Morrison revealed that Bill Clinton was America's first black president. In that spirit, I feel that I must reveal an uncannily similar secret: Barack Obama, if elected, would be our nation's first Jewish president.
Harold Pollack: Now It Must Be Told: Barack Obama's Worst-Kept Secret of the Campaign

NOTE: He wrote that almost a year BEFORE Obama was elected.

Barack Obama: America's First Jewish President
Barack Obama - America's First Jewish President**

I could go on and on .. and on. Is there any question why he didn't even want to be photographed with muslims?

JEWS are calling Obama the first jewish president .. yet you're surprised that I would do so? Why would that be?

First off, there were more rational questions questioning Obama on Israel than McCain. And there is still no doubt in anyone's mind that Huckabee or McCain would have been far more pro-Israel than Obama! Yet the Jews came out in numbers for Obama!

To your rational question of if I believe our entire foreign policy hinges on Israel? .. No, I do not .. much of our foreign policy hinges on oil and pipelines.

At least you have one rational thought in your tiny little head!

However, the foreign policy that does hinge on Israel, like Iran, is dangerous .. even more dangerous than our invasion of Iraq.

Iraq in both wars had nothing to do with Israel. The first one was to protect Kuwait and Saudi oil. The 2nd one was Bush's knee-jerk jumping of the gun to stop Sadam and his phantom/false WMD programs! Most of the intelligence came from Iraqi defectors, so there you go!

I do not believe that ANY foreign government should have the lock on our government that Israel has .. a lock that even people as intelligeent and aware as you are seem to ignore or accept as business as usual.

Hey dumbass! Israel has no lock on our government! NONE AT ALL! If they did how can you explain the large aid and arm sales we give to Egypt, Pakistan and now Iraq! What about the very large offensive military arms we sell to the Saudis? You can't! In fact, you have it the other way around. America has lock on the Israel government! The Israeli government can barely fart in public without Washington's approval!

Germaine to the topic of this thread, about 35% of his administration comes from less than 2% of the population. EVERY single person he conmsidered for Treasury came from that same less than 2% .. even though. as evidenced today, that stewardship has been proven flawed.

Wrong, this 35% of the government is made up of 100% of the population! Americans if Jewish dissent are American first and Jews 2nd! Just as I assume most African Americans see themselves as Americans first and black 2nd!

Questions of American government controlled by Israel are sane and rational, but have been censored by the false label of "antisemitism" and a lack of courage among Americans to ask sane questions and demand sane answers.

Wrong, they are not rational, they are highly inaccurate. And the ones making the claims are usually mentally challenged antisemites, such as yourself!

I am not a "jew-hater" as Jillian implies .. I am simply unafraid to ask sane questions .. seemingly, all by myself here.

LOL, don't like being called what you are uh? That is the cowards way, but I wouldn't expect much less from you! Don't get mad when someone calls a spade a spade!

 

[Shogun]

Typical Scarlet A routine from the zionost crowd, BAC... don't sweat it. Why do you think Ghooks pussy ass has me on block?

 

[Agnapostate]

Hey, thanks for the reply to me, GHooker. Or not...

 

[BlackAsCoal]

I don't give a flying fuck WHO agrees with you BAC, the premise that Obama is the first Jewish POTUS is absurd.




My guess would be 90% of all Doctors and Dentists I have ever gone to were Jews, too.

Does this make me the first Jewish Editec?

And if others POTUS filled their cabinets with people named SMITH and JONES does anyone accuse that POTUS of being the first ENGLISH POTUS?

Your position is not supported by logic, amigo.

You and I agree that American foreign policy is pro-Israeli often to the detriment of America, but the position regarding Obama as being the first Jewish POTUS is inflammatory and, to be frank, overtly racist.

Now it's racist???

"Overtly racist" ???

What race would you be talking about my brother? Are the jews that think this of Obama also "racist" or is that only reserved for me?

That is kinda' weird coming from someone who understands the nuances of language as you do. I'm fighting the urge to simply drop out of this conversation because it puts me at odds with people I respect, like you and Jillian. However, if you take a step back, I think it obvious that what you've said here is illogical.

Are you for one moment .. one fucking instance, suggesting that had Obama filled his cabinet with Arabs, African-Americans, Hispanics, Buddhists, Asians, or Eskimos there wouldn't be the same questions I'm asking being raised? Would that be your argument .. given that you offer the "Smith and Jones" analogy?

There is absolutely no way in hell you can suggest there would not be. Jillian runs from my question of it were as stacked with Arabs would she have a problem with it. Of course she would. I would have the same questions if he stacked it with as many African-Americans .. and so would most people. But the exception to this logic my brother is Israel .. and you accept that as normal. You accept that as "logic."

There is far more logic to seeing Obama as the first Jewish president than there was seeing Clinton as the first black president. Clinton was not surrounded in black people. .. and even though I vehemently disagreed with that perception of Clinton, I recognized where it came from. To suggest you don't know where this perception of Obama comes from is, respectfully, disingenuous. You're WAY too smart for that.

 

[jillian]

Make no mistake about it .. it was absolutely intentional. My inclination is to be even more graphic about his bending over for Israel, but I passed because I'm talking to you.

Well, I appreciate that. And you know I respect you. But on this issue, I do believe you wear blinders.

Fine .. you don't think he's prowar .. I'll remember that when the body bags start coming home with his name on them.

And if they do, I will either agree or disagree with whatever action he takes, based on the merits. I won't make presumptions either way in advance. I think that's only fair. Because sometimes military action is justified; sometimes it isn't.

That's because you haven't paid as much attention to this as I have .. else you would have known that he got about the same percentage of contributions from small donors as Bush did in 2004 .. and you would have known of his relationshp with Wall Street, who were his biggest donors, and the vast sums of money that funneled to his campaign. I know, ignore it.

Big business gives prodigiously to all candidates... it's kind of an insurance policy. I don't like it. But it's fact and I'm not going to condemn only Obama for it.

If you didn't pick up on that when he rushed to support giving away a trillion dollars to Wall Street then no amount of evidence would convince you anyway.

Actually, everyone rushed to help wall street...except for a few blue dog dems and house repubs. We can talk about the reasons for that... but I think the bigger problem is there was no accountablity for the money. I think even bigger is the fact that the objections to helping working people are so much greater than helping rich bankers.

It comes as no surprise that you don't think he dumped anyone .. name the people on the left he has in his administration? .. I know, ignore that.

I think you should wait and see what he does. But I,personally, wouldn't have voted for a far left agenda.

I don't speak for all socialists or socialism throughout history anymore than you can account for what jews have done. Irrespective of your grandfather .. how were europeans to Jews? .. I know. Ignore it.

Since when do I ignore things. I respond when I see posts. I'm not always around or always up on what's been posted.

Europeans sucked to Jews. You know that. But not as bad as the socialists... at least according to Grandpa Louis the bolshevik.

No need for us to even engage about this issue frankly. I beleieve Israel has committed incredible atrocities against innocent people and children with the nod of the US .. and much of the world believes it as well, including a great many jews. I guess we''ll see if Israel can continue to exist in its present militaristic form and if the US can continue to support the welfare state of zionism. I continue to be firm in my belief that neither is true.

And I think you reserve your criticisms only for Jews and absolve terrorists of disgusting actions. No one told the pals to leave. That was THEIR choice. So, too, it was their choice to keep blowing things up instead of coming to a peaceful arrangement. Again, try reading what I posted instead of ignoring THAT.

That is stupid and beneath you.

Am I a "jew-hater?"

I think there is a double standard. Hate? Not in the slightest and I have been very careful about not addressing you on that level. You have, rushed to make that charge each and every time you are challenged on this issue. Because, of course, if someone doesn't agree that terrorists are freedom fighters has no moral compass. Right? I DO think the people who spread the "jews run the world" garbage DO have an agenda. You can either choose to believe you support the underdog or engage in reasonable discussion about a compromise that results in a two-state solution with Israel having defensible borders.

[QUOTE[Any jew who disagrees with Israel is a "self-hating" jew .. and anybody who has an opinion different than yours on Israel is a "jew-hater" .. you sure you're not a right-winger? You sure like their tactics.

One question that you continually run from and have yet to answer .. if Obama had as many Arabs in his administration as jews .. would you have a problem with that?[/QUOTE]

There are things to disagree with in terms of Israeli policy. But not nearly to the level that the far reaches of hte left and right wish. Not even close. The vilification of Israel while condoning terrorism negates any ability to discuss these issues.

Let me know when you have a resollution that leaves an intact Israel with defensible borders.

Til then, there's really nothing to discuss on the subject. No one lies down and dies because terrorists want them to. And wanting Jews to do that is not rational or reasonable.... .regardless of one's motivations. (Or what one believes those motivations are).

 

[jillian]

With all due respect, you have no moral position to suggest I "tear myself away" from anything. You are an Israeli apologist and nothing I post will change that. We can play dueling posts that support our respective positions all day long .. and I can post evidence of the atrocities against civilians in Jenin, Lebanon, and elsewhere .. but I'm under no illusion that you'd give a damn.

Try seperating yourself from your own biases before you presume to challenge anyone else's.

I'd suggest the same to you. And I'd also suggest that defending terrorists doesn't exactly give you moral high ground.

 

[jillian]

Jillian,

Once again you run from the question.

I answered you, BAC. You do know I work, right? I spent the morning in a Courtroom and, believe it or not, it's not exactly the place to post.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

Typical Scarlet A routine from the zionost crowd, BAC... don't sweat it. Why do you think Ghooks pussy ass has me on block?

Other than the clown you mentioned who doesn't know how to engage in civil discussion, I would not call anyone else here zionist.

But Israel is the discussion that can't be had. Any opposition is considered "jew-hating" .. even on a message board.

THAT, I think, is an indictment on American minds.

Any Jew who has an opposing position is self-hating.

Any non-jew that has an opposing position is jew-hating.

Tell me how that qualifies as intelligent.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Frankly, I'm surprised by you.
Barack Obama: The first Jewish president? …

Questions of American government controlled by Israel are sane and rational, but have been censored by the false label of "antisemitism" and a lack of courage among Americans to ask sane questions and demand sane answers.

I am not a "jew-hater" as Jillian implies .. I am simply unafraid to ask sane questions .. seemingly, all by myself here.

Hey... Don't be so uptight... the leftist ideology is inherently anti-Semitic... the irony being that Jews are inherently leftist. But the degree of separation while nearly indistinguishable on the broad view becomes much more discernible somewhere near the back of the line in which they willfully place themselves; a line which leads them directly to the ovens. Even there we can still hear the voices of Jewish mothers rationalizing that things will be alright and that there must be a reason for it; wholly incapable of understanding that their desire to nurture, to feed the hungry and house the homeless is that which attracts them to evil... it is the bait by which evil traps the gullible and the simple fact is that the desire to nurture, to feed the hungry and house the homeless is a base personality trait of the gullible.

Jews represent a strong and somewhat closed community… their inherent organization; they’re ancient customs which are intrinsic in their religious faith makes the Jew ‘suspect.’ Thus where one Jew is seen helping another; where on Jew does business with another… the anti-capitalist finds a conspiracy. But then the anti-Capitalist is limited by their intellect, in contrast to the strong intellectual foundation of the Jew; seen by the sub-intellect of the anti-capitalist as patronizing; breeding exponential layers of contempt.

The liberal Jew is a compassionate giver, the anti-Capitalist a ruthless taker… The combination is one wherein calamity is likely and where the superior intellect of the Jew underestimates the cunning evil of the anti-Capitalist, catastrophe is a certainty; thus the Jew has learned to be careful, to remain distant and always cautious… which feeds the hate and drives the inevitable irony on towards the unthinkable.

The Liberal Israeli wants peace… the Arab wants the Jew DEAD. And always the giver, the Jew will concede, until the day comes when their concessions will result in their ruin... it’s only a matter of time until history repeats itself and we’re faced with witnessing ‘Déjà vu all over again…’

 

[GHook93]

Clearly, you haven't read The Holocaust Industry. As Holocaust survivors themselves, Finkelstein's parents resented the usage of the Holocaust as a political tool to justify Israeli atrocities as offensive. I would advise you to actually familiarize yourself with the man's views before attempting to "rebut" them.

Nor do I intend to! Funny thing is Finkelstein uses his father's survivor status to shield himself from his over-self hatred!

You don't even know what anarchism is, so I'd advise you to devote your comments to more constructive areas.

I heard enough of you try to explain it to me. When it comes down to it about doing way of the state, meaning no government!

Idiot. The term "congressman" is essentially never used to refer to U.S. Senators, and is largely regarded as being synonymous with "Representative."

Can be either way!

Obama isn't a very strong "leftist," let alone a socialist, as some lunatics claim.

I will wait to see!

He supported Slick Willie's "welfare reform,"

Not sure what those are, so no comment

has a somewhat ambiguous position on NAFTA

LOL, he has been open about wanting to get rid of NAFTA!

secured the building of a fence on the Mexican border,

His homeland security candidate he just named is strongly against the border fence. When asked about it Obama said he would defer to her! Meaning he is now against it!

supports the death penalty in some cases supports Bush's "faith based initiatives," supports an increase in military forces, ,

You have proof of this

voted in favor of a bill that granted retroactive immunity to participants in Bush's wiretapping program,

Yes, but he wants to end the patriot act and he wants to close Gitmo

supports Israel unconditionally, including his support of sole Isreali possession of Jerusalem, routinely

BULLSHIT! In his speech to AIPAC he said that, then back-belted right after the conference. He specifically talks of '67 borders!

threatens Iran in the right-wing tradition

Yes by stating he is going to open dialog and meet with them personally!

also supported Georgia's attack on South Ossetia,

I don't know if he supported it, rather he condemned the Russian response.

and supports the Patriot Act.

LOL, he openly talks of doing away with it

It must be frustrating to confront factual evidence that clearly contradicts a party line that you chose to parrot.

No its frustrating when confronted with ignorance, claims with no proof and well stupidity!

Do you even know what a "paradox" is? Have you read any Kropotkin whatsoever? The Conquest of Bread, Mutual Aid, or anything else? Please do not attempt to comment on political theories and philosophies that you know nothing about.

I do! But since you support anarcho-communism, LOL, I guess you do not!

Merry Christmas!

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Other than the clown you mentioned who doesn't know how to engage in civil discussion, I would not call anyone else here zionist.

But Israel is the discussion that can't be had. Any opposition is considered "jew-hating" .. even on a message board.

THAT, I think, is an indictment on American minds.

Any Jew who has an opposing position is self-hating.

Any non-jew that has an opposing position is jew-hating.

Tell me how that qualifies as intelligent.

Where one rejects the notion that one's nation should exist, there can be little emotional value tying that idea beyond 'hate'... to even try and rationalize that you don't hate the Jew, just because you want their nation destroyed is absurd and yet another example of your severe intellectual limitations...

The evidence is clear; you don't think... but that's the nature of evil, it preys upon the insipid and feeds the emotion which rests starving in the void of a vacuous mind.

 

[Shogun]

Other than the clown you mentioned who doesn't know how to engage in civil discussion, I would not call anyone else here zionist.
But Israel is the discussion that can't be had. Any opposition is considered "jew-hating" .. even on a message board.
THAT, I think, is an indictment on American minds.
Any Jew who has an opposing position is self-hating.
Any non-jew that has an opposing position is jew-hating.
Tell me how that qualifies as intelligent.

Oh I would. I have enough Scarlet A patches to prove it. The only reason you don't see the rest of them being as vocal as ghhok is because they've already had this conversation and already have proven their quickness to defend israel, rightly or wrongly, with some of the rest of us that are more interested in secular humanism than ethnic excuses. Go read some of the old larger threads in the israel forum.. Trust me, I know where your frustration comes from.

 

[Shogun]

Where one rejects the notion that one's nation should exist, there can be little emotional value tying that idea beyond 'hate'... to even try and rationalize that you don't hate the Jew, just because you want their nation destroyed is absurd and yet another example of your severe intellectual limitations...

The evidence is clear; you don't think... but that's the nature of evil, it preys upon the insipid and feeds the emotion which rests starving in the void of a vacuous mind.


THAT is exactly like suggesting that someone hates WHITE people because they want to offer equality to blacks off the slave farm. The assumption of anti-semitism is not a blank check excuse to rationalize israel, right or wrong. HEY, I know, MAYBE you can fall back on the same old tired ass butchered translation of an iran president and find antisemitism where you NEED to see it since you've offered a total of zero to this thread!

 

[jillian]

Other than the clown you mentioned who doesn't know how to engage in civil discussion, I would not call anyone else here zionist.

But Israel is the discussion that can't be had. Any opposition is considered "jew-hating" .. even on a message board.

THAT, I think, is an indictment on American minds.

Any Jew who has an opposing position is self-hating.

Any non-jew that has an opposing position is jew-hating.

Tell me how that qualifies as intelligent.

It is not rational for Jews to take a position which would destroy Israel as a Jewish State; and thereby end up with a) dead jews; or b) jews subjugated to Islamic rule.

Why would you think that anyone who takes such a positon is either thoughtful or rational.

Is it self-hating to take a position that ends up getting one's people killed? At a bare minimum it's stupid.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

Well, I appreciate that. And you know I respect you. But on this issue, I do believe you wear blinders.



And if they do, I will either agree or disagree with whatever action he takes, based on the merits. I won't make presumptions either way in advance. I think that's only fair. Because sometimes military action is justified; sometimes it isn't.



Big business gives prodigiously to all candidates... it's kind of an insurance policy. I don't like it. But it's fact and I'm not going to condemn only Obama for it.



Actually, everyone rushed to help wall street...except for a few blue dog dems and house repubs. We can talk about the reasons for that... but I think the bigger problem is there was no accountablity for the money. I think even bigger is the fact that the objections to helping working people are so much greater than helping rich bankers.



I think you should wait and see what he does. But I,personally, wouldn't have voted for a far left agenda.



Since when do I ignore things. I respond when I see posts. I'm not always around or always up on what's been posted.

Europeans sucked to Jews. You know that. But not as bad as the socialists... at least according to Grandpa Louis the bolshevik.



And I think you reserve your criticisms only for Jews and absolve terrorists of disgusting actions. No one told the pals to leave. That was THEIR choice. So, too, it was their choice to keep blowing things up instead of coming to a peaceful arrangement. Again, try reading what I posted instead of ignoring THAT.



I think there is a double standard. Hate? Not in the slightest and I have been very careful about not addressing you on that level. You have, rushed to make that charge each and every time you are challenged on this issue. Because, of course, if someone doesn't agree that terrorists are freedom fighters has no moral compass. Right? I DO think the people who spread the "jews run the world" garbage DO have an agenda. You can either choose to believe you support the underdog or engage in reasonable discussion about a compromise that results in a two-state solution with Israel having defensible borders.

[QUOTE[Any jew who disagrees with Israel is a "self-hating" jew .. and anybody who has an opinion different than yours on Israel is a "jew-hater" .. you sure you're not a right-winger? You sure like their tactics.

One question that you continually run from and have yet to answer .. if Obama had as many Arabs in his administration as jews .. would you have a problem with that?

There are things to disagree with in terms of Israeli policy. But not nearly to the level that the far reaches of hte left and right wish. Not even close. The vilification of Israel while condoning terrorism negates any ability to discuss these issues.

Let me know when you have a resollution that leaves an intact Israel with defensible borders.

Til then, there's really nothing to discuss on the subject. No one lies down and dies because terrorists want them to. And wanting Jews to do that is not rational or reasonable.... .regardless of one's motivations. (Or what one believes those motivations are).[/QUOTE]

I appreciate your reponses and appreciate that I haven't angered you even more. This is indeed a touchy subject .. even more touchy than race or religion on their own.

One place we differ is that I do not see "terrorists" as you do. Iraqis fighting against US occupation of their country were not terrorists in my view. They were people fighting against invaders. WE were the terrorists .. by every definition.

I do not see Palestinans fighting against the illegal occupation of their lands and wholesale slaughter of their people as terrorists. .. and there is a long list of UN Resolutions that support their struggle .. which of course I know you don't care about .. but I do. They often fight with rocks against tanks and outdated weapons against the best America can provide. Yet they still fight.

You say I don't have negative things to say about what you see as terrorists .. but I've not read a single word from you that puts the slightest responsibility on Israel.

It is not intelligent to call anyone who disagrees some kind of hater. It's not intelligent to suggest that Chomsky hates his own people. It's not intelligent to suggest that Jimmy Carter is anti-semitic.

The US cannot continue to pour billions of US taxpayer dollars into Israel.

In my opinion, if Israel wants to attack Iran .. go ahead and do it .. but ONLY Israel should deal with the consequences of their actions. If Israel believes it can maintain his militaristic stance against Arabs .. go ahead and do it. But ONLY Israel should pay for the consequences of that stance.

What I want in the ME is a two state solution .. that does not award Israel with Jeruselum .. but keeps it as a shared city .. and a resoilution that ensures the peace and securiuty of Israel every bit as much as it maintains the peace and security of the Palestinian people.

That may require a UN presence and I'm all for that.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

I answered you, BAC. You do know I work, right? I spent the morning in a Courtroom and, believe it or not, it's not exactly the place to post.

I appreciate that your work takes you away .. however, I was not about to let you get away without answering.

Sorry.

 

[Shogun]

uh, just like it wasn't rational for white people to support policy that allowed America to become anything other than a CAUCASIAN state and thereby end up as A) dead former lave owners and B) whites subjugated to NEGRO RULE, eh?

tsk tsk tsk.


I mean, is it SELF HATING to fight to end slavery that ends up letting blacks off the field to kill whites?


Your argument doesn't stand on it's face without heaping portions of racism assuming that muslims can't live in peace with jews on an equal plane. Heaven fucking forbid that a democratic israel reflect a non-jewish majority.... Hell, we sure are rationalizing that same death spasm of white dominance over here in the ACTUAL west! Oh wait.. no, over HERE we expect our nation to be equal in application regardless of ethnicity.. gosh, so much for THAT bullshit scare tactic that both zionists and colonial slave owners could agree on.

 

[Agnapostate]

It is not rational for Jews to take a position which would destroy Israel as a Jewish State; and thereby end up with a) dead jews; or b) jews subjugated to Islamic rule.

Why would you think that anyone who takes such a positon is either thoughtful or rational.

Is it self-hating to take a position that ends up getting one's people killed? At a bare minimum it's stupid.

The fact that Chomsky supports Hashomer Hatzair and Habonim Dror, as well as the kibbutzim, (having lived in a kibbutz for a brief period), lends little credence to the idea that he wants to see the destruction of Jewish influence in Israel.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

Where one rejects the notion that one's nation should exist, there can be little emotional value tying that idea beyond 'hate'... to even try and rationalize that you don't hate the Jew, just because you want their nation destroyed is absurd and yet another example of your severe intellectual limitations...

The evidence is clear; you don't think... but that's the nature of evil, it preys upon the insipid and feeds the emotion which rests starving in the void of a vacuous mind.

THAT is exactly like suggesting that someone hates WHITE people because they want to offer equality to blacks off the slave farm.

HEY! That's a FANTASTIC Non Sequitur! Congrats. Blacks have always had the same rights as whites... they've always begun at equity with everyone else; the distinction being that governance, the far and away majority of which is black governance, has not always respected those rights, usurping them through the inherent power of government. Noting that blacks are in possession of equal rights does not constitute hate... However, were one to mouth the equitable rights of blacks and in the same breath advocate policy which rejected the right of blacks to govern themselves, THAT WOULD CONSTITUTE HATE. For instance, if you were to claim that Blacks have a right to exist but they can't exist in a form which provides that they occupy a government of their own choosing in their own nation... you'd be squarely placing yourself in the ANTI-BLACK category.

Much as you placed yourself in the pro-adult/child sexual advocacy category when you proclaimed the worldwide historic existence of homosexuals; advancing evidence which highlighted the adult male pursuit of adolescent males for sexual relationships in those would-be homosexual communities... squarely placing you in the category of the CHILD-FUCKER... the PERV DEGENERATE who is incapable of resisting your low base sexual instincts... one worthy of being beaten to death in the public square in full view of those who may tend towards your on craven deficiencies; so as to provide an example and help them find their way right back into that cloister otherwise known as 'the closet.'

The assumption of anti-semitism is not a blank check excuse to rationalize israel, right or wrong.

It's not a presumption child-fucker... it's a statement of fact and one which rests upon the incontestable reason advanced as its foundation.

HEY, I know, MAYBE you can fall back on the same old tired ass butchered translation of an iran president and find antisemitism where you NEED to see it since you've offered a total of zero to this thread!

Yes yes... 'everyone knows' that it is nearly IMPOSSIBLE to translate an Arab who openly speaks of the Jew... much as it is impossible to interpret the meaning of the child molesters touch, as she caresses the private areas of some unsuspecting child who simply but erroneously trusts the degenerate to keep him safe.

The bad news PEDO-gun is that it's not hard to translate Arabs when they speak of the Jew and when your hand is found down the pants of a 12 yr old boy, it's a certainty that you're violating the trust of a child for your own pathetic wants... there's nothing complex about evil dipshit... it's exists in pure simplicity.