no tax return, no place on ballot

[Andylusion]

Deflection, is that the best you got?

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It's not deflection. Nothing is going to cover everything all the time. People understand this and despite that, go ahead, try and end Medicare.

My health care covers everything all the time. No premiums, no out of pocket and no deductibles. Usually it's ok, other times is sucks.

.

It's not about you. You can claim anything you want on the internet. Insurance does not cover everything. They decide what they will cover and what they will not.

That's exactly what socialized medicine will do.

That's what everything will do. No system is going to simply cover everything possible.

I would rather have control over that. Which I do under this system, where if I want more coverage, I simply buy more insurance.

Under your system, the government says you don't get it, if they decide you don't get it, and you just die.

Cancer patient 'sent home to die' is walking, talking miracle after recovery

UK cancer patient told to go home and die (effectively), goes abroad (AND PAYS... hint hint, free-market capitalism at work), for treatment to live.

Our system is better than yours. When people have to flee from "free care", in order to live, that should give you a hint.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And I've said many times, he already is doing that.

He isn't. Saying he is means nothing. If he was it would be front page news.

Oh yeah, front page news, like this story?

I've posted stories of ICE busts under Trump. I was told by you leftists he had nothing to do with those; ICE did that long before Trump.

Which was the case. You were told that by me. You are discussing this with me. I have no control or anything to do with what others say.

It's estimated there are over 20 million illegals in this country; some claim it's much more than that. I believe the latter which is why Democrats are fighting so hard to keep the legal status question off the Census. I was also told by leftists that the main reason illegals come here is to work. Now let's put that together for a moment.......

If most of these 20 million are here to work, we can honestly say that at least 15 million are. So how many workplace raids would it take to capture 15 million illegal workers in this country?

I don't care what others have told you. What it would take is quite a few highly publicized raids with very strong repercussions for it to start to have an affect. That is not going to happen. Business wants them here to both work for them and to purchase their products. Trump is going to do nothing to interfere in that.

It seems like he already is. You want stricter penalties? Contact your local Democrat representative for that. All bills originate in the House which they now control.

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Why do you suppose I should expect people to enforce stricter laws when they will not enforce the laws we have now? Yes, I would like to see stronger repercussions but the ones we have would suffice if they were enforced.

I have posted (to you) what the penalties were for employers who hire illegals. You need to get busted multiple times before serious consequences take place. Until that time, it's mostly fines that increase in cost with the frequency of violations.

What you are basically talking about is making life hell on employers who get busted the first time. Again, that's an act of Congress, and needs to be followed up by support in the court system.

IMO, I would place the onus more on the immigrant than the employer. Left up to me, being here illegally would be a first degree felony punishable by a minimum of five years in prison. When I say minimum, I mean a judge can sentence somebody up to 15 years in prison for the first violation.

If we did that, you wouldn't have to worry about the employer because an employer cannot hire somebody that isn't here. It would pretty much solve the wall problem because nobody would want to come here illegally, and it would also solve our VISA problem which is responsible for nearly half of the illegals in our country.

But currently, it's impossible to do when one party wants to stop illegal immigration and the other party wants virtual open borders. While we are trying to preserve this country, the Democrats art trying to turn us into Guatemala.

 

[Flopper]

First, California is not forcing Trump to do anything. Trump is choosing to put his name on the primary ballot and thus must meet the same requirement as other candidates both presidential and gubernatorial which is well within the purview of the state.

Second, the republican party in California will send Trump delegates to the convention whether he is on the ballot or not. The presidential primary election in California just shows voter preference. The state committee actually decides who the delegates will be.

Tax forms tell us far more about a candidate than just the money they made and charitable contributions. It tells us how the money was made, the candidate's financial connections domestic and abroad, to who the candidate owes money, investments both domestic and foreign. In short, tax returns reveal where conflicts of interest may lie. Without tax forms, the voter has to rely on the honesty of the candidate and political hacks that create false news as fast as Trump tweets. This is why all modern day presidential candidates except for Trump have released their tax returns.

If your tax preparer is listing who you owe money to, how you are connected to the money, how your money was made, you better first fire them, and secondly, call the authorities.

Your tax form will contain a W2 if you are working for somebody else that has the various taxes and gross income listed. But nowhere does it say who you owe money to perhaps outside of a bank, and the only reason for that is if you are deducting interest rates. It doesn't say how you made that money either. The IRS has no idea I'm a truck driver.

It is a nice list of extremely poor excuses to get Trump's tax returns, when in reality, it has nothing to do with his presidency or anybody running for President. This law is nothing more than blackmail which just about any non-commie court can clearly see.

You cannot make additional requirements to the Constitution as a political attack (which this is) yet alone make additional requirements for any other reason.

Now if this law had a chance at hell in not being defeated by the courts, then Trump or anybody can make up a phony return saying anything he wanted to. There is no way to check that against the IRS files because the IRS files are off limits to everybody.

Trump's total tax return is reported to be over 125 pages without supporting worksheets and forms. For anyone who operates and managing an organization the size of the Trump Organization there is a huge amount of information in his tax returns.

To report interest paid on loans you must list who holds the loans. Every write off requires supporting data. Every source of income must be listed. Sale of assets have to be reported.

Yes, if a candidate does not release his tax returns, then his opponent can make up all kinds shit about his finances. This is one the reason they release their returns.

Of course if the candidate has financial transaction that would indicate a conflict of interest transaction that would point to possible criminal conspiracies, or transactions that would be difficult for the president to explain then the president might well chose to hide hide them from voters.

It doesn't matter if Trump releases his returns or not. Democrats will still make up shit.

And whether Trump releases his tax returns or not, he will still be the republican nominee.

That's the point I'm making. If the little commies come up with some scheme to have a primary race for the Republicans in their state, and Trump tells them to beat a salt bag with their additional requirements, they may try to use that as disqualification from being on their general ballot.

Flopper, they are doing this for a reason. What do you suppose that reason is?????

Republicans in California adopted the primary as a method of determining voter preference in 1912. It was a closed primary and still is.

If Trump decides not to put his name on the primary ballot, the California State Republican Committee will simply ignore the election and select Trump pledged nominees to assure the nomination.

If California passes the law for the general election and I hope they do because what might unfold would be really interesting.

The issue before the courts would be the right of states to control their elections. Republicans have long been a champion of this issue as were southern democrats in the mid 20th century as well as the late 1800's. The Supreme Court rulings have upheld the right of the states to control elections in their state.

Add to the mix the fact that a dozen other state legislatures are considering similar legislation.

Unfortunately, I don't see this train going anywhere for the following reasons. At least a half dozen lawsuits are being filed in federal court and at least one of the courts is going to temporary block the law till the case is heard. Since there is less than 5 months before the deadline for releasing tax returns, this may effective solve the problem for Trump.

However, if the courts do not block the law, Trump may end the issue by releasing his returns. If other states joint California, then Trump will certainly release his returns unless there is damning information in the returns which would lead him into criminal court.

The answer to your question as to the reason for this, I refer to the governors statement.
“These are extraordinary times and states have a legal and moral duty to do everything in their power to ensure leaders seeking the highest offices meet minimal standards, and to restore public confidence,” California Governor Gavin Newsom said in a statement announcing the bill signing.

I suspect that a federal law requiring tax returns will be passed once Trump is out of office. Republicans supported this idea when Obama was president and democrats have introduced a bill in the House to do so. In fact the passing a federal law requiring tax returns has been kicking around in Congress for over 20 years but it always died for lack interest.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It's not deflection. Nothing is going to cover everything all the time. People understand this and despite that, go ahead, try and end Medicare.

My health care covers everything all the time. No premiums, no out of pocket and no deductibles. Usually it's ok, other times is sucks.

.

It's not about you. You can claim anything you want on the internet. Insurance does not cover everything. They decide what they will cover and what they will not.

That's exactly what socialized medicine will do.

That's what everything will do. No system is going to simply cover everything possible.

I would rather have control over that. Which I do under this system, where if I want more coverage, I simply buy more insurance.

Under your system, the government says you don't get it, if they decide you don't get it, and you just die.

Cancer patient 'sent home to die' is walking, talking miracle after recovery

UK cancer patient told to go home and die (effectively), goes abroad (AND PAYS... hint hint, free-market capitalism at work), for treatment to live.

Our system is better than yours. When people have to flee from "free care", in order to live, that should give you a hint.

This is very true. I'm a patient at the world famous Cleveland Clinic. When you go to their downtown campus, you are the one that feels like a foreigner. Why?

People come to the clinic from around the world, not just us in Cleveland. To see my doctor for a checkup, I have to make an appointment six to twelve months in advance. Specialist? At least a year.

But unlike other countries, if you need immediate care, it's available to you. Many of the physicians are also foreigners. They come here to study, and instead of returning home where their worth is about the same as a garbage man, they make excellent money here and decide to stay.

You get what you pay for as the saying goes.

When wealthy people are in need of serious medical treatment, they don't go to a socialized medicine country. They come here. Canadian patients are renown for coming to the US because of the care they can't receive under socialized medicine. In fact our northern hospitals are flooded with Canadians.

 

[Flopper]

If your tax preparer is listing who you owe money to, how you are connected to the money, how your money was made, you better first fire them, and secondly, call the authorities.

Your tax form will contain a W2 if you are working for somebody else that has the various taxes and gross income listed. But nowhere does it say who you owe money to perhaps outside of a bank, and the only reason for that is if you are deducting interest rates. It doesn't say how you made that money either. The IRS has no idea I'm a truck driver.

It is a nice list of extremely poor excuses to get Trump's tax returns, when in reality, it has nothing to do with his presidency or anybody running for President. This law is nothing more than blackmail which just about any non-commie court can clearly see.

You cannot make additional requirements to the Constitution as a political attack (which this is) yet alone make additional requirements for any other reason.

Now if this law had a chance at hell in not being defeated by the courts, then Trump or anybody can make up a phony return saying anything he wanted to. There is no way to check that against the IRS files because the IRS files are off limits to everybody.

Trump's total tax return is reported to be over 125 pages without supporting worksheets and forms. For anyone who operates and managing an organization the size of the Trump Organization there is a huge amount of information in his tax returns.

To report interest paid on loans you must list who holds the loans. Every write off requires supporting data. Every source of income must be listed. Sale of assets have to be reported.

Yes, if a candidate does not release his tax returns, then his opponent can make up all kinds shit about his finances. This is one the reason they release their returns.

Of course if the candidate has financial transaction that would indicate a conflict of interest transaction that would point to possible criminal conspiracies, or transactions that would be difficult for the president to explain then the president might well chose to hide hide them from voters.

It doesn't matter if Trump releases his returns or not. Democrats will still make up shit.

And whether Trump releases his tax returns or not, he will still be the republican nominee.

That's the point I'm making. If the little commies come up with some scheme to have a primary race for the Republicans in their state, and Trump tells them to beat a salt bag with their additional requirements, they may try to use that as disqualification from being on their general ballot.

Flopper, they are doing this for a reason. What do you suppose that reason is?????

Republicans in California adopted the primary as method of determining voter preference in 1912. It is a closed primary.

If Trump decides not to put his name on the primary ballot, the California State Republican Committee will simply ignore the election and select Trump pledged nominees to assure the nomination.

If California passes the law for the general election and I hope they do because what might unfold would be really interesting.

The issue before the courts would be the right of states to control their elections. Republicans have long been a champion of this issue as were southern democrats in the mid 20th century as well as the late 1800's. The Supreme Court rulings have always upheld the right the states to control elections in their state.

Add to the mix the fact that a dozen other state legislatures are considering similar legislation.

Unfortunately, I don't see this train going anywhere for following reasons.

At least a half dozen lawsuits are being filed in federal court and at least one of the courts is going temporary block the law till the case is heard. Since there is less than 5 months before the deadline for releasing tax returns, this may effective solve the problem for Trump.

However, if the courts do not block the law Trump may end the issue by releasing his returns.

If other states joint California, then Trump will certainly release his returns unless there is damning information in the returns which would lead him into criminal court.

The answer to your question as to the reason for this, I refer to the governors statement.
“These are extraordinary times and states have a legal and moral duty to do everything in their power to ensure leaders seeking the highest offices meet minimal standards, and to restore public confidence,” California Governor Gavin Newsom said in a statement announcing the bill signing.

Since Republicans in congress were in favor of this law when Obama was president and Democrats have recently introduced such a law, I think the chances are very good that there will be a federal law requiring the release of tax returns for presidential candidates, after Trump leaves office of course.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

If your tax preparer is listing who you owe money to, how you are connected to the money, how your money was made, you better first fire them, and secondly, call the authorities.

Your tax form will contain a W2 if you are working for somebody else that has the various taxes and gross income listed. But nowhere does it say who you owe money to perhaps outside of a bank, and the only reason for that is if you are deducting interest rates. It doesn't say how you made that money either. The IRS has no idea I'm a truck driver.

It is a nice list of extremely poor excuses to get Trump's tax returns, when in reality, it has nothing to do with his presidency or anybody running for President. This law is nothing more than blackmail which just about any non-commie court can clearly see.

You cannot make additional requirements to the Constitution as a political attack (which this is) yet alone make additional requirements for any other reason.

Now if this law had a chance at hell in not being defeated by the courts, then Trump or anybody can make up a phony return saying anything he wanted to. There is no way to check that against the IRS files because the IRS files are off limits to everybody.

Trump's total tax return is reported to be over 125 pages without supporting worksheets and forms. For anyone who operates and managing an organization the size of the Trump Organization there is a huge amount of information in his tax returns.

To report interest paid on loans you must list who holds the loans. Every write off requires supporting data. Every source of income must be listed. Sale of assets have to be reported.

Yes, if a candidate does not release his tax returns, then his opponent can make up all kinds shit about his finances. This is one the reason they release their returns.

Of course if the candidate has financial transaction that would indicate a conflict of interest transaction that would point to possible criminal conspiracies, or transactions that would be difficult for the president to explain then the president might well chose to hide hide them from voters.

It doesn't matter if Trump releases his returns or not. Democrats will still make up shit.

And whether Trump releases his tax returns or not, he will still be the republican nominee.

That's the point I'm making. If the little commies come up with some scheme to have a primary race for the Republicans in their state, and Trump tells them to beat a salt bag with their additional requirements, they may try to use that as disqualification from being on their general ballot.

Flopper, they are doing this for a reason. What do you suppose that reason is?????

Republicans in California adopted the primary as method of determining voter preference in 1912. It is a closed primary.

If Trump decides not to put his name on the primary ballot, the California State Republican Committee will simply ignore the election and select Trump pledged nominees to assure the nomination.

If California passes the law for the general election and I hope they do because what might unfold would be really interesting.

The issue before the courts would be the right of states to control their elections. Republicans have long been a champion of this issue as were southern democrats in the mid 20th century as well as the late 1800's. The Supreme Court rulings have always upheld the right the states to control elections in their state.

Add to the mix the fact that a dozen other state legislatures are considering similar legislation.

Unfortunately, I don't see this train going anywhere for following reasons.

At least a half dozen lawsuits are being filed in federal court and at least one of the courts is going temporary block the law till the case is heard. Since there is less than 5 months before the deadline for releasing tax returns, this may effective solve the problem for Trump.

However, if the courts do not block the law Trump may end the issue by releasing his returns.

If other states joint California, then Trump will certainly release his returns unless there is damning information in the returns which would lead him into criminal court.

The answer to your question as to the reason for this, I refer to the governors statement.
“These are extraordinary times and states have a legal and moral duty to do everything in their power to ensure leaders seeking the highest offices meet minimal standards, and to restore public confidence,” California Governor Gavin Newsom said in a statement announcing the bill signing.

And he is full of shit because this has nothing to do with standards. It has to do with Trump not willing to release his returns. Blackmail.

This so-called law is aimed at one thing only and one candidate only. Would you be happy with states making laws against any candidate including Democrat candidates?

Forcing a candidate to release his returns is illegal. It's a violation of the Fourth Amendment as well as the US qualifications to run for this office. If successful, California Electoral Votes should be rejected in the next presidential election. They need to be their own country and leave our union.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Trump's total tax return is reported to be over 125 pages without supporting worksheets and forms. For anyone who operates and managing an organization the size of the Trump Organization there is a huge amount of information in his tax returns.

To report interest paid on loans you must list who holds the loans. Every write off requires supporting data. Every source of income must be listed. Sale of assets have to be reported.

Yes, if a candidate does not release his tax returns, then his opponent can make up all kinds shit about his finances. This is one the reason they release their returns.

Of course if the candidate has financial transaction that would indicate a conflict of interest transaction that would point to possible criminal conspiracies, or transactions that would be difficult for the president to explain then the president might well chose to hide hide them from voters.

It doesn't matter if Trump releases his returns or not. Democrats will still make up shit.

And whether Trump releases his tax returns or not, he will still be the republican nominee.

That's the point I'm making. If the little commies come up with some scheme to have a primary race for the Republicans in their state, and Trump tells them to beat a salt bag with their additional requirements, they may try to use that as disqualification from being on their general ballot.

Flopper, they are doing this for a reason. What do you suppose that reason is?????

Republicans in California adopted the primary as method of determining voter preference in 1912. It is a closed primary.

If Trump decides not to put his name on the primary ballot, the California State Republican Committee will simply ignore the election and select Trump pledged nominees to assure the nomination.

If California passes the law for the general election and I hope they do because what might unfold would be really interesting.

The issue before the courts would be the right of states to control their elections. Republicans have long been a champion of this issue as were southern democrats in the mid 20th century as well as the late 1800's. The Supreme Court rulings have always upheld the right the states to control elections in their state.

Add to the mix the fact that a dozen other state legislatures are considering similar legislation.

Unfortunately, I don't see this train going anywhere for following reasons.

At least a half dozen lawsuits are being filed in federal court and at least one of the courts is going temporary block the law till the case is heard. Since there is less than 5 months before the deadline for releasing tax returns, this may effective solve the problem for Trump.

However, if the courts do not block the law Trump may end the issue by releasing his returns.

If other states joint California, then Trump will certainly release his returns unless there is damning information in the returns which would lead him into criminal court.

The answer to your question as to the reason for this, I refer to the governors statement.
“These are extraordinary times and states have a legal and moral duty to do everything in their power to ensure leaders seeking the highest offices meet minimal standards, and to restore public confidence,” California Governor Gavin Newsom said in a statement announcing the bill signing.

Since Republicans in congress were in favor of this law when Obama was president and Democrats have recently introduced such a law, I think the chances are very good that there will be a federal law requiring the release of tax returns for presidential candidates, after Trump leaves office of course.

No it will not because you are adding to the requirements of becoming a President of this country. It would take a constitutional amendment to have that additional requirement.

 

[Andylusion]

My health care covers everything all the time. No premiums, no out of pocket and no deductibles. Usually it's ok, other times is sucks.

.

It's not about you. You can claim anything you want on the internet. Insurance does not cover everything. They decide what they will cover and what they will not.

That's exactly what socialized medicine will do.

That's what everything will do. No system is going to simply cover everything possible.

I would rather have control over that. Which I do under this system, where if I want more coverage, I simply buy more insurance.

Under your system, the government says you don't get it, if they decide you don't get it, and you just die.

Cancer patient 'sent home to die' is walking, talking miracle after recovery

UK cancer patient told to go home and die (effectively), goes abroad (AND PAYS... hint hint, free-market capitalism at work), for treatment to live.

Our system is better than yours. When people have to flee from "free care", in order to live, that should give you a hint.

This is very true. I'm a patient at the world famous Cleveland Clinic. When you go to their downtown campus, you are the one that feels like a foreigner. Why?

People come to the clinic from around the world, not just us in Cleveland. To see my doctor for a checkup, I have to make an appointment six to twelve months in advance. Specialist? At least a year.

But unlike other countries, if you need immediate care, it's available to you. Many of the physicians are also foreigners. They come here to study, and instead of returning home where their worth is about the same as a garbage man, they make excellent money here and decide to stay.

You get what you pay for as the saying goes.

When wealthy people are in need of serious medical treatment, they don't go to a socialized medicine country. They come here. Canadian patients are renown for coming to the US because of the care they can't receive under socialized medicine. In fact our northern hospitals are flooded with Canadians.

Constantly they are flooded with Canadians. Happens all the time.

Also, the National Children's hospital has children from all around the world.

My parents church, had a church member that died from cancer at the hospital. While our church people were there visiting, they found a girl wandering around the hospital. (I don't know the specific on the encounter, or how it happened) Come to find out, she's from Australia, and her parents are back there, while she's getting treatment for something they simply don't treat in Australia.

Because of that encounter my parents church started a ministry where they adopt children at the hospital, and take them for diner and movies and such, because they are here alone. Every year a dozens couples take care of a children left at the at the hospitals by the their parents who are back in other countries.

Why? Because Socialized care, if the government doesn't want to pay for it, you don't get it.

I was reading a blog from a guy in Germany who thought that German doctors were routinely behind the times with their medicines. He was wrong. German doctors are perfectly educated and knowledgeable about new medicines, their government simply refuses to pay for it, so they don't offer it. You go to a German doctor "What about this drug that can help me?" and you'll get "I don't know about that", and off you go. The government doesn't pay for it, so the doctors don't offer it, so you don't get in. Tough snot, welcome to free-gov-health care.

 

[pknopp]

He isn't. Saying he is means nothing. If he was it would be front page news.

Oh yeah, front page news, like this story?

I've posted stories of ICE busts under Trump. I was told by you leftists he had nothing to do with those; ICE did that long before Trump.

Which was the case. You were told that by me. You are discussing this with me. I have no control or anything to do with what others say.

It's estimated there are over 20 million illegals in this country; some claim it's much more than that. I believe the latter which is why Democrats are fighting so hard to keep the legal status question off the Census. I was also told by leftists that the main reason illegals come here is to work. Now let's put that together for a moment.......

If most of these 20 million are here to work, we can honestly say that at least 15 million are. So how many workplace raids would it take to capture 15 million illegal workers in this country?

I don't care what others have told you. What it would take is quite a few highly publicized raids with very strong repercussions for it to start to have an affect. That is not going to happen. Business wants them here to both work for them and to purchase their products. Trump is going to do nothing to interfere in that.

It seems like he already is. You want stricter penalties? Contact your local Democrat representative for that. All bills originate in the House which they now control.

'
Why do you suppose I should expect people to enforce stricter laws when they will not enforce the laws we have now? Yes, I would like to see stronger repercussions but the ones we have would suffice if they were enforced.

Like gun laws...not that Democrats will admit it.

Yeah sure. Like gun laws if you wish.

 

[pknopp]

So does insurance. So does your bank account.

Deflection, is that the best you got?

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It's not deflection. Nothing is going to cover everything all the time. People understand this and despite that, go ahead, try and end Medicare.

My health care covers everything all the time. No premiums, no out of pocket and no deductibles. Usually it's ok, other times is sucks.

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It's not about you. You can claim anything you want on the internet. Insurance does not cover everything. They decide what they will cover and what they will not.

Well newbie if you'd been around a bit longer you would know I'm a disabled vet and yes, I get all my medical care at no cost. In fact they pay my travel costs to appointments. Now GFY.

.

Which has nothing to do with what I said.

 

[pknopp]

He isn't. Saying he is means nothing. If he was it would be front page news.

Oh yeah, front page news, like this story?

I've posted stories of ICE busts under Trump. I was told by you leftists he had nothing to do with those; ICE did that long before Trump.

Which was the case. You were told that by me. You are discussing this with me. I have no control or anything to do with what others say.

It's estimated there are over 20 million illegals in this country; some claim it's much more than that. I believe the latter which is why Democrats are fighting so hard to keep the legal status question off the Census. I was also told by leftists that the main reason illegals come here is to work. Now let's put that together for a moment.......

If most of these 20 million are here to work, we can honestly say that at least 15 million are. So how many workplace raids would it take to capture 15 million illegal workers in this country?

I don't care what others have told you. What it would take is quite a few highly publicized raids with very strong repercussions for it to start to have an affect. That is not going to happen. Business wants them here to both work for them and to purchase their products. Trump is going to do nothing to interfere in that.

It seems like he already is. You want stricter penalties? Contact your local Democrat representative for that. All bills originate in the House which they now control.

'
Why do you suppose I should expect people to enforce stricter laws when they will not enforce the laws we have now? Yes, I would like to see stronger repercussions but the ones we have would suffice if they were enforced.

I have posted (to you) what the penalties were for employers who hire illegals. You need to get busted multiple times before serious consequences take place. Until that time, it's mostly fines that increase in cost with the frequency of violations.

What you are basically talking about is making life hell on employers who get busted the first time. Again, that's an act of Congress, and needs to be followed up by support in the court system.

IMO, I would place the onus more on the immigrant than the employer. Left up to me, being here illegally would be a first degree felony punishable by a minimum of five years in prison. When I say minimum, I mean a judge can sentence somebody up to 15 years in prison for the first violation.

If we did that, you wouldn't have to worry about the employer because an employer cannot hire somebody that isn't here. It would pretty much solve the wall problem because nobody would want to come here illegally, and it would also solve our VISA problem which is responsible for nearly half of the illegals in our country.

But currently, it's impossible to do when one party wants to stop illegal immigration and the other party wants virtual open borders. While we are trying to preserve this country, the Democrats art trying to turn us into Guatemala.

Neither party wants to stop illegal immigration. It would be bad for business.

 

[pknopp]

I had forgot about this but it's back in the news with another failed Trump nominee.


WASHINGTON – On his first day in office, President Donald Trump formally nominated Andrew Puzder as his labor secretary, handing a key position in his administration to a fast-food magnate who he’d boasted would save businesses from “the crushing burdens of unnecessary regulations.”

But Puzder couldn’t even save himself.

Puzder, who ridiculed his own restaurant employees as “the best of the worst” and said he’d like to replace them with robots, withdrew his nomination less than a month later amid devastating revelations he had once employed an undocumented housekeeper and failed to promptly pay taxes on her.

Donald Trump’s picks for administration jobs keep dropping out with John Ratcliffe latest to go

This is why nothing will be done. Big business wants illegals here to undercut wages and allow them to avoid taxes.

 

[NotYourBody]

Does that mean Trump can't vote? How can he be POTUS if ineligible to vote?

States can't keep anybody off the Presidential ballot. They would like to, the same way they didn't let anybody have say on sanctuary cities. But that overreach of theirs has limits. Funny how that works. I would also love to have state officials investigated for giving sanctuary to illegal whatzits from Shitopia without legal, fair representation, or permission of the local constituency. So that makes sanctuary cities illegal acts and unconstitutional as well. But here we are, a bunch of political scoundrels nitpicking on stuff they themselves don't bother to follow.

There is no such thing as a "Sanctuary City". Cities can do nothing about immigration, that is strictly a federal issue.

They labeled themselves as Sanctuary cities, and after the election, some states have labeled themselves as sanctuary.

Yes they have. Political mumbo jumbo. Like Trump they are doing nothing but blathering on.

We didn't make up that term--they did. Sanctuary means to give shelter to people who broke our laws. Not only do they refuse to interact with our federal agencies, some have made laws against doing so for government employees. You can be fired for cooperating with federal authorities.

That's Sanctuary alright.

They can do absolutely nothing about the Feds coming in. Nothing.

No they cannot, but they don't have to alert the feds of illegal criminals in their custody. They have issued warnings for illegals to hide because they knew the feds were coming in. They have told their local authorities they are not to cooperate with the feds in any way, even if they know something the feds want to know.

These are anti-American, pro-illegal government entities we are talking about here.

We are NOT helping the Feds come in here and yank people out of their homes to be taken out of the country. That's not what we want in California. You are talking about our friends, neighbors, and in many cases, families. Do that in your own state.

California sends more $$$$ to the Fed than we get back. We are supporting your sorry stupid poor uneducated lazy ass red states.
You should try to fix your own shitholes, but GOP never can mind their own business.

On top of that, Trump is hated and despised in this state. Why the hell do you think we would willingly cooperate with that POS?

 

[NotYourBody]

When wealthy people are in need of serious medical treatment, they don't go to a socialized medicine country. They come here. Canadian patients are renown for coming to the US because of the care they can't receive under socialized medicine. In fact our northern hospitals are flooded with Canadians.

Except when Rand Paul went to Canada to get surgery a few months ago.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

When wealthy people are in need of serious medical treatment, they don't go to a socialized medicine country. They come here. Canadian patients are renown for coming to the US because of the care they can't receive under socialized medicine. In fact our northern hospitals are flooded with Canadians.

Except when Rand Paul went to Canada to get surgery a few months ago.

Oh, you mean at that privately owned hospital???

 

[pknopp]

When wealthy people are in need of serious medical treatment, they don't go to a socialized medicine country. They come here. Canadian patients are renown for coming to the US because of the care they can't receive under socialized medicine. In fact our northern hospitals are flooded with Canadians.

Except when Rand Paul went to Canada to get surgery a few months ago.

Oh, you mean at that privately owned hospital???

Nothing wrong with privately owned. The problem is when thousands want to be part owners.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We are NOT helping the Feds come in here and yank people out of their homes to be taken out of the country. That's not what we want in California. You are talking about our friends, neighbors, and in many cases, families.

The feds never asked you to yank anything. They asked that you contact them when you have a criminal illegal in custody so they can be processed and thrown out. They ask that you keep any knowledge of raids to yourself instead of amplifying them making the job of ICE much harder and much more dangerous. But as a lefty, I'm sure you would rather see one of our agents murdered than to get rid of one of your criminal illegals.

California sends more $$$$ to the Fed than we get back. We are supporting your sorry stupid poor uneducated lazy ass red states.
You should try to fix your own shitholes, but GOP never can mind their own business.

Your state is 1.3 trillion in debt. My state is in the black with no debt. Who should fix what now?

Your state leads the country in welfare recipients. You have people in blanket tents crapping all over the sidewalk. You are in no position to criticize anybody.

On top of that, Trump is hated and despised in this state. Why the hell do you think we would willingly cooperate with that POS?

Your state would not be doing it to help Trump that you hate so badly, you would be doing it for the country--another thing you hate. Your filthy illegals don't stay in California, from there, they venture out into the entire country causing problems for everybody.

 

[pknopp]

The feds never asked you to yank anything. They asked that you contact them when you have a criminal illegal in custody so they can be processed and thrown out.

The only way a city or state agency can determine if someone is here illegally is to contact ICE. So ICE already knows. But you know this.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It's not about you. You can claim anything you want on the internet. Insurance does not cover everything. They decide what they will cover and what they will not.

That's exactly what socialized medicine will do.

That's what everything will do. No system is going to simply cover everything possible.

I would rather have control over that. Which I do under this system, where if I want more coverage, I simply buy more insurance.

Under your system, the government says you don't get it, if they decide you don't get it, and you just die.

Cancer patient 'sent home to die' is walking, talking miracle after recovery

UK cancer patient told to go home and die (effectively), goes abroad (AND PAYS... hint hint, free-market capitalism at work), for treatment to live.

Our system is better than yours. When people have to flee from "free care", in order to live, that should give you a hint.

This is very true. I'm a patient at the world famous Cleveland Clinic. When you go to their downtown campus, you are the one that feels like a foreigner. Why?

People come to the clinic from around the world, not just us in Cleveland. To see my doctor for a checkup, I have to make an appointment six to twelve months in advance. Specialist? At least a year.

But unlike other countries, if you need immediate care, it's available to you. Many of the physicians are also foreigners. They come here to study, and instead of returning home where their worth is about the same as a garbage man, they make excellent money here and decide to stay.

You get what you pay for as the saying goes.

When wealthy people are in need of serious medical treatment, they don't go to a socialized medicine country. They come here. Canadian patients are renown for coming to the US because of the care they can't receive under socialized medicine. In fact our northern hospitals are flooded with Canadians.

Constantly they are flooded with Canadians. Happens all the time.

Also, the National Children's hospital has children from all around the world.

My parents church, had a church member that died from cancer at the hospital. While our church people were there visiting, they found a girl wandering around the hospital. (I don't know the specific on the encounter, or how it happened) Come to find out, she's from Australia, and her parents are back there, while she's getting treatment for something they simply don't treat in Australia.

Because of that encounter my parents church started a ministry where they adopt children at the hospital, and take them for diner and movies and such, because they are here alone. Every year a dozens couples take care of a children left at the at the hospitals by the their parents who are back in other countries.

Why? Because Socialized care, if the government doesn't want to pay for it, you don't get it.

I was reading a blog from a guy in Germany who thought that German doctors were routinely behind the times with their medicines. He was wrong. German doctors are perfectly educated and knowledgeable about new medicines, their government simply refuses to pay for it, so they don't offer it. You go to a German doctor "What about this drug that can help me?" and you'll get "I don't know about that", and off you go. The government doesn't pay for it, so the doctors don't offer it, so you don't get in. Tough snot, welcome to free-gov-health care.

There is a reason we lead the world in cancer treatments, and that's because we don't have socialized healthcare yet.

A few times when I went to the Clinic, I was stopped by foreign security who had their foreign media agencies interviewing a patient from their country walking down the corridor. Now I follow politics pretty closely, and I didn't know who any of these people were, but obviously, they were royalty or of importance from some country. Our media doesn't report who they are because they have no knowledge of them being here.

When these people come from other countries that have money to get treatment here, they rent out an entire hospital floor for security reasons. There are foreign and American guards all over the place. In fact the elevator to get to the floor is reprogramed so it can't stop on that particular floor without a key.

My sister was a supervisor in one of the departments at the hospital. She had to do everything herself because they didn't trust the employees. She had to go through extensive government background checks here and abroad. She was pretty aggravated with it because of all the extra hours to do that job and her own. Plus she could never work without people looking over her shoulder every minute of the day she spent on that floor.

It's not like this happened once in a great while. It happens a lot more frequently than we can imagine.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The feds never asked you to yank anything. They asked that you contact them when you have a criminal illegal in custody so they can be processed and thrown out.

The only way a city or state agency can determine if someone is here illegally is to contact ICE. So ICE already knows. But you know this.

Right. That's why the left is crying about employers not using e-verify, because the only way to find out if they are legal or not is to contact ICE.

Don't you think these things out before you make them up and post them here?