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[OneIsTheWord]

You must go through the Great Tribulation

It goes like this
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
Then many false prophets will rise and deceive many.
And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another.
Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake.
And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another.
All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Matthews 24:
And for Israel

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Matt 23:37-39 (KJV)

 

[DukeU]

What for the ones who died before the tribulation period?

 

[Manonthestreet]

Its called the rapture.

 

[OneIsTheWord]

What for the ones who died before the tribulation period?

greetings

It depends on the person's lifespan

the time of old age, Psalm 39:5;90:10;91:16;2 Timothy 4:7​

 

[OneIsTheWord]

Its called the rapture.

try again

 

[OneIsTheWord]

STOP!!!

You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.
Deut 4:2
For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
He who testifies to these things says, "Surely I am coming quickly."
Rev 22:18-20

 

[Manonthestreet]

try again

See ya don't believe the word

 

[OneIsTheWord]

See ya don't believe the word

I myself believe In God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit
1+1+1=1
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[buttercup]

You must go through the Great Tribulation

It goes like this
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
Then many false prophets will rise and deceive many.
And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another.
Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake.
And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another.
All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Matthews 24:
And for Israel

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
Matt 23:37-39 (KJV)

Yes, Christians will have to go through the tribulation. If that's all you meant, then the title you chose for this thread is misleading. The way the title is now sounds like you're talking about salvation.

 

[OneIsTheWord]

Yes, Christians will have to go through the tribulation. If that's all you meant, then the title you chose for this thread is misleading. The way the title is now sounds like you're talking about salvation.

The best is yet to come

The tribulation is to see what matters to you​

 

[BreezeWood]

And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another.

this is just what the ending will be for the sinners, desert dwellers - the triumph of evil - if they are the final triumph and all are the same as them, the desert bibles.

those true to the 1st century who gave their lives for liberation theology, self determination will have all passed as did jesus or rather with their triumph - the triumph of good - all will be met with gratitude from the heavens and live in peace till their next challenge.

the truth not revealed in the corrupt desert bibles ...

 

[OneIsTheWord]

this is just what the ending will be for the sinners, desert dwellers - the triumph of evil - if they are the final triumph and all are the same as them, the desert bibles.

those true to the 1st century who gave their lives for liberation theology, self determination will have all passed as did jesus or rather with their triumph - the triumph of good - all will be met with gratitude from the heavens and live in peace till their next challenge.

the truth not revealed in the corrupt desert bibles ...

The Trump Factor

1 Corinthians 15:52​

 

[Manonthestreet]

The best is yet to come
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I myself believe In God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit
1+1+1=1
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Which of course has nothing to do with question at hand

 

[The Irish Ram]

The Bride of Christ is not appointed to God's wrath.

1 Thessalonians 1:10
...and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath

1 Thessalonians 5:9-10: "For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him".

Romans 5:9: "Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him".

Romans 8:1: "Therefore there is no condemnation for those that are in Christ Jesus."

The words used to describe it in The Bible "ek, raptura and harpazo. They mean to be snatched out of, or caught up, carried away. If it doesn't happen, then the verses describing it make no sense whatsoever.


It explains the mystery in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 In this scripture, Paul refers to this event as a "mystery," saying that believers will not all "sleep" (die), but all will be "changed—in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.

It will take 11/100's of a second.

 

[OneIsTheWord]

The Bride of Christ is not appointed to God's wrath.

1 Thessalonians 1:10
...and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath

1 Thessalonians 5:9-10: "For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him".

Romans 5:9: "Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him".

Romans 8:1: "Therefore there is no condemnation for those that are in Christ Jesus."

The words used to describe it in The Bible "ek, raptura and harpazo. They mean to be snatched out of, or caught up, carried away. If it doesn't happen, then the verses describing it make no sense whatsoever.


It explains the mystery in 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 In this scripture, Paul refers to this event as a "mystery," saying that believers will not all "sleep" (die), but all will be "changed—in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.

It will take 11/100's of a second.

If one is chosen, by Christ​

 

[Manonthestreet]

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If one is chosen, by Christ​

If one receives the "free" gift paid for by Christ's blood

 

[DennisPTate]

What for the ones who died before the tribulation period?

My impression is that those who die before the literal "Great Tribulation" will be among the first to meet Messiah Yeshua - Jesus in the air as He fulfills a promise that He made through an angel, in Acts chapter one.

The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,

2Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

3;To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:

4;And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

5;For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

6;When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

7;And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

8;But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

9;And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

10;And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

11;Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven." [Acts 1]

Those who die in true faith and obedience before the Great Tribulation.... will NOT have to go through the Great Tribulation, but all followers of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus will suffer persecution at some level of another.

 

[OneIsTheWord]

If one receives the "free" gift paid for by Christ's blood

Yes, but remember the blood of Christ is sacred, not for everyone, Matthew 7:21-24

 

[Manonthestreet]

Yes, but remember the blood of Christ is sacred, not for everyone, Matthew 7:21-24

It is for everyone......but of course most will not avail themselves of it

 

[DennisPTate]

Yes, but remember the blood of Christ is sacred, not for everyone, Matthew 7:21-24

Actually it is meant for everybody.....
but not everybody receives and accepts the Blood of Messiah Yeshua - Jesus as their atonement during this lifetime.

I have ran into some evidence that the Roman Catholic idea of "Purgatory" is not a stupid doctrine, [but instead much of the Roman Catholic ideas on the Afterlife were borrowed from Judaism.