No Indictment in Eric Garner Case

[TheOldSchool]

Yes we know, he deserved to die. You Big Brother-Worshippers never disappoint. How sad.

You be one of them chipmunks that put words in others mouths. I didn't say he had to die. He would be alive today if he had followed the rules.

Poor woman had to watch and plead with the bastards to release him. She watched her husband slowly murdered. This isn't justice. Anyone who claims it is, is far too gone to reason with.

Que sera sera. It was unfortunate but the guy should have obeyed the police and let himself be cuffed. But go ahead and take up for the lawbreakers.

I hope you're a foreign poster. Because you sure as fuck don't deserve to live in America.

You want to sacrifice freedom for safety? Move east asshole.

So now we should not arrest people and should let them go if they resist? That is what you are arguing here. By the way he did not die from the hold, he died of a heart attack hours later.

Oh well then that makes it okay.

 

[Clementine]

People with heart conditions can have a heart attack just from getting really upset. The typical chokehold doesn't kill anyone. I've seen people crying and yelling for police to let go of their spouses and not because they are being hurt, but because they don't want them arrested.

It's sad that the guy died, but the cop was merely subduing a suspect that fought. How was he supposed to know the guy's heart was a ticking time bomb? When you resist, cops will do what they need to take you down.

Hindsight is always 20/20, but you have to put yourself in the cop's place at the time. Taking down a suspect who is fighting you isn't something that is done gently. Little hard when you are literally fighting with the person to get them to stop and sit still. Had the guy cooperated, it might have been different, but then maybe not. If he had not encountered police and gone home, there is a good chance he was on the verge of a heart attack already.

We weren't privy to all the evidence presented to the grand jury, but they would have had to see proof that the cop knowingly and willfully harmed the guy. I don't see how the cop could have known about the guy's condition. It's possible the guy didn't know how bad off his heart was.

If a person is choked to death, they die on the spot. An autopsy would have shown the cause of death. Without knowing all the details, it's too hard to judge. I would guess the grand jury had information not released to the public yet.

I know police use the chokehold all the time and this is rare, so there must have been other things at play here, like the guy's general health. I just can't buy that a cop murdered someone in front of witnesses. I really can't believe that.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You be one of them chipmunks that put words in others mouths. I didn't say he had to die. He would be alive today if he had followed the rules.

Poor woman had to watch and plead with the bastards to release him. She watched her husband slowly murdered. This isn't justice. Anyone who claims it is, is far too gone to reason with.

Que sera sera. It was unfortunate but the guy should have obeyed the police and let himself be cuffed. But go ahead and take up for the lawbreakers.

I hope you're a foreign poster. Because you sure as fuck don't deserve to live in America.

You want to sacrifice freedom for safety? Move east asshole.

So now we should not arrest people and should let them go if they resist? That is what you are arguing here. By the way he did not die from the hold, he died of a heart attack hours later.

Oh well then that makes it okay.

I repeat since you did not respond, should the cops let any one suspected of a crime resist arrest and then let him go if he fights back? Or perhaps you just mean black people should be released if arrested by a white cop?

 

[paulitician]

Over some damn cigarettes. An innocent man is dead. There has to be accountability. I can't blame people for being angry. Their anger is justified.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

This innocent man was brutally murdered by the very People who were supposed to serve and protect him. And for what? Over some cigarettes? A damn travesty.

You truly are ignorant and ridiculous.

That there was no indictment means there was no 'murder,' whether you agree with the Grand Jury or not is legally irrelevant. Nor does a lack of an indictment constitute a 'police state,' which is just as ignorant and ridiculous.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Poor woman had to watch and plead with the bastards to release him. She watched her husband slowly murdered. This isn't justice. Anyone who claims it is, is far too gone to reason with.

Que sera sera. It was unfortunate but the guy should have obeyed the police and let himself be cuffed. But go ahead and take up for the lawbreakers.

I hope you're a foreign poster. Because you sure as fuck don't deserve to live in America.

You want to sacrifice freedom for safety? Move east asshole.

So now we should not arrest people and should let them go if they resist? That is what you are arguing here. By the way he did not die from the hold, he died of a heart attack hours later.

Oh well then that makes it okay.

I repeat since you did not respond, should the cops let any one suspected of a crime resist arrest and then let him go if he fights back? Or perhaps you just mean black people should be released if arrested by a white cop?

Wow. Why do you support the 2nd amendment again?

It seems like you want us all to lay down and submit when authority comes calling. Or do you just want black people to do that?

 

[paulitician]

This innocent man was brutally murdered by the very People who were supposed to serve and protect him. And for what? Over some cigarettes? A damn travesty.

You truly are ignorant and ridiculous.

That there was no indictment means there was no 'murder,' whether you agree with the Grand Jury or not is legally irrelevant. Nor does a lack of an indictment constitute a 'police state,' which is just as ignorant and ridiculous.

The man murdered an innocent Citizen right in front of his wife. She begged him to release her husband. And he was murdered for what? Over some cigarettes? Hopefully this Cop will face justice at some point. He should be held accountable.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Over some damn cigarettes. An innocent man is dead. There has to be accountability. I can't blame people for being angry. Their anger is justified.

He was suspected of a crime. He was arrested and CHOSE to resist. I REPEAT..... are cops supposed to not arrest people they are told to arrest?

 

[paulitician]

Over some damn cigarettes. An innocent man is dead. There has to be accountability. I can't blame people for being angry. Their anger is justified.

He was suspected of a crime. He was arrested and CHOSE to resist. I REPEAT..... are cops supposed to not arrest people they are told to arrest?

They shouldn't murder an innocent Citizen over some damn cigarettes. Not too much to ask of them.

 

[reason10]

Another White Police officer has got off scot free for killing a Black Man who was just trying to sell some untaxed cigarettes. (Collecting taxes is the most important thing Government does...at least the Government thinks so.)

First of all, that's a LIE. The officers didn't kill this man. He resisted arrest. Neither the resist nor the arrest caused the heart attack. His DIED did.

And here in this case we have video of the White cop killing the Black man........using a tactic which I understand to have been disapproved by police procedure...And it is reasonable to assume that it was disapproved because it was considered to be too dangerous.

And THAT'S a lie. First, there were several officers attempting to subdue this asshole. Secondly, one of those officers was black. So why not just leave the racist shit out of this.

WHEN are people going to get a clue about police officers? Do you think they get up in the morning and crawl into those bulletproof vests because they're trying to make a fashion statement? Cops have been KILLED in resisting arrest situations. The WORST thing you can do is resist arrest. Only bad things happen when you put cops on such a defensive posture.

 

[reason10]

I am interested to hear, for the first time, that the Garner got up and walked off and then died of a heart an hour or so later.

Crooner's Reports said, I believe very clearly, that he died of a lack of air during an arrest while being restrained by police. If he got up an walked off, the Coroner would have to be a knave or a fool. (Not that a knave or a fool is hard to find in New York.)

There's some bullshit afloat........a common peril on the internet

The heart attack wasn't caused by that incident. Heart attacks rarely are caused by any single incident. They are caused by a blockage that prevents blood from reaching either the whole heart or a section of the heart. A clogged capillary to the heart can create the same symptoms and the same problem. And this is something that happens over a period of time, either by heredity or by poor diet. If a marathon runner had attempted to resist arrest and had been subdued, he would have survived this.

 

[reason10]

The guy was just selling cigarettes,, seems to me there is a problem with their police proceedure if that guy died. This is a really tough one to take, I really would have figured it to go to trial.

I have a friend who is a retired NYC homicide detective. He said the officers should never have tried to wrestle this spermwhale to the ground. They should either have each grabbed a hand and cuffed it and drag the a-hole away, or they should have cracked his kneecaps with the billy stick. When your knees are shot, you don't feel so frisky.

Bottom line, if you have just been told by a police officer that you're under arrest, you're NOT going to plead and talk him out of it. You're NOT going to call him every kind of pig in the book and suddenly convince him not to. And the WORST thing you could do is resist arrest.

Garner's death was a suicide.

 

[Asclepias]

Another White Police officer has got off scot free for killing a Black Man who was just trying to sell some untaxed cigarettes. (Collecting taxes is the most important thing Government does...at least the Government thinks so.)

And here in this case we have video of the White cop killing the Black man........using a tactic which I understand to have been disapproved by police procedure...And it is reasonable to assume that it was disapproved because it was considered to be too dangerous.

But, just like in Missouri, the Grand Jury let the White Cop off. I agreed the White cop in Missouri.

I assume, the Sharpton/Obama/Holder....the Red State ProgressiveLiberal/Socialist.....the Yale Pinhead...those Hollywood assholes ......all are apoplectic-----as they ought to be....This case in New York is far more offensive in my opinion.

But will they let them burn New York down? In the same way they turned a blind eye to the mayhem perpetrated on the Good Citizens in Ferguson....where, Police and National Guard were paralyzed by a fear of roughing up a Black Arsonist.

Is the White Cop in the South to be presumed to have acted out of racial animus; but the one in New York not be thus presumed. Will Eric Holder investigate the New York police force like they are the one in Ferguson?

Your turn New York.

Lets see how you do.

Here's a hint from deep down South. That Conversation on Race they are going to want to have.....well, its a Listening Process. The only time you get to say anything is when they ask:

"What have you done for me lately?"

See, Northerners are the REAL racists!

You must be a northerner. You are a particularly slimy racist.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

WTF is wrong with you fellow righties?

Selling cigarettes is NOT a capital offense.

That kind of FORCE is supposed to be used on dangerous criminals not on some stupid fucking misdemeanor offense.

The cops were CLEARLY intimidated by the mans size & as a consequence deemed excessive force necessary.

Yes the dead man bears some responsibility BUT so do the cops.

You guys trying to whitewash every circumstance of excessive force is patently stupid.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Another White Police officer has got off scot free for killing a Black Man who was just trying to sell some untaxed cigarettes. (Collecting taxes is the most important thing Government does...at least the Government thinks so.)

And here in this case we have video of the White cop killing the Black man........using a tactic which I understand to have been disapproved by police procedure...And it is reasonable to assume that it was disapproved because it was considered to be too dangerous.

But, just like in Missouri, the Grand Jury let the White Cop off. I agreed the White cop in Missouri.

I assume, the Sharpton/Obama/Holder....the Red State ProgressiveLiberal/Socialist.....the Yale Pinhead...those Hollywood assholes ......all are apoplectic-----as they ought to be....This case in New York is far more offensive in my opinion.

But will they let them burn New York down? In the same way they turned a blind eye to the mayhem perpetrated on the Good Citizens in Ferguson....where, Police and National Guard were paralyzed by a fear of roughing up a Black Arsonist.

Is the White Cop in the South to be presumed to have acted out of racial animus; but the one in New York not be thus presumed. Will Eric Holder investigate the New York police force like they are the one in Ferguson?

Your turn New York.

Lets see how you do.

Here's a hint from deep down South. That Conversation on Race they are going to want to have.....well, its a Listening Process. The only time you get to say anything is when they ask:

"What have you done for me lately?"

See, Northerners are the REAL racists!

You must be a northerner. You are a particularly slimy racist.

And blacks aren't racist? Killing twice as many whites in raw numbers and playing on race every chance they get.

What a bunch of fucking racist!

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Over some damn cigarettes. An innocent man is dead. There has to be accountability. I can't blame people for being angry. Their anger is justified.

He was suspected of a crime. He was arrested and CHOSE to resist. I REPEAT..... are cops supposed to not arrest people they are told to arrest?

Your life must be a weird one not having the ability to use discretion and all.

There are pressure points on the body that can easily control a suspect when applied. Choking someone to death while SMASHING THEIR DAMN FACE INTO THE FUCKING CONCRETE is not one of them.

Not only that but that move IS NOT PERMITTED by the NYPD

 

[NoNukes]

'The time for remorse was when my husband was yelling to breathe': Eric Garner's widow lashes out at NYPD cop who put her husband in fatal chokehold


Esaw Garner shouted her fiery statement during a press conference after a grand jury in Staten Island decided not to indict Officer Daniel Pantaleo, who offered his condolences to the Garner family for their loss. 'No, I do not accept his apology,' the widow said, standing next to Rev. Al Sharpton. 'I could care less about his condolences. My husband is 6 feet under.'

Eric Garner's widow shouted two fiery words of rebuke when asked if she accepted words of condolence from the cop who killed her husband with a chokehold: “Hell no!”

Hours after the Daily News was the first to inform Esaw Garner of the grand jury’s decision not to indict Officer Daniel Pantaleo, she clearly wanted no part of the cop.

“The time for remorse was when my husband was yelling to breathe,” she said,referring to Eric Garner’s last words. “That would have been the time for him to show some remorse or some type of care for another human being’s life.

After Pantaleo was cleared by the Staten Island grand jury, the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association released a statement on the cop’s behalf.

“I hope that they will accept my personal condolences for their loss,” he said.

Read More:
NYPD cop in Eric Garner chokehold death not indicted - NY Daily News
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The guy didn't die from a head lock. He was diabetic, hog fat overweight, had other health problems and resisted arrest.

Yes we know, he deserved to die. You Big Brother-Worshippers never disappoint. How sad.

You be one of them chipmunks that put words in others mouths. I didn't say he had to die. He would be alive today if he had followed the rules.

Chris Rock has a funny bit on how not to get your ass kicked by the cops.

 

[Politico]

Didnt he die of a heart attack hours later??? Pretty sure he was stood up and walked on his own while cuffed.

No he was rolled away. But he was very much alive.

 

[Asclepias]

Another White Police officer has got off scot free for killing a Black Man who was just trying to sell some untaxed cigarettes. (Collecting taxes is the most important thing Government does...at least the Government thinks so.)

And here in this case we have video of the White cop killing the Black man........using a tactic which I understand to have been disapproved by police procedure...And it is reasonable to assume that it was disapproved because it was considered to be too dangerous.

But, just like in Missouri, the Grand Jury let the White Cop off. I agreed the White cop in Missouri.

I assume, the Sharpton/Obama/Holder....the Red State ProgressiveLiberal/Socialist.....the Yale Pinhead...those Hollywood assholes ......all are apoplectic-----as they ought to be....This case in New York is far more offensive in my opinion.

But will they let them burn New York down? In the same way they turned a blind eye to the mayhem perpetrated on the Good Citizens in Ferguson....where, Police and National Guard were paralyzed by a fear of roughing up a Black Arsonist.

Is the White Cop in the South to be presumed to have acted out of racial animus; but the one in New York not be thus presumed. Will Eric Holder investigate the New York police force like they are the one in Ferguson?

Your turn New York.

Lets see how you do.

Here's a hint from deep down South. That Conversation on Race they are going to want to have.....well, its a Listening Process. The only time you get to say anything is when they ask:

"What have you done for me lately?"

See, Northerners are the REAL racists!

You must be a northerner. You are a particularly slimy racist.

And blacks aren't racist? Killing twice as many whites in raw numbers and playing on race every chance they get.

What a bunch of fucking racist!

Some of them are. Whats your point?

 

[Clementine]

Is there video of the incident or are we taking one person's word?