No human will ever return from Mars, or get there

[EdwinAMartin]

If our species can survive for even just another 1000 years we will get there, no question in my mind. We will also start colonizing other planets.

That would be great, if we assume a continuitarian belief of future progress. It's probably more likely that we're regressing into a new 'Dark Age' of wars and famines and decline.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

Will it be worth flying parts to the moon, fuels and building a moon base for the supply missions to the moon? Food too. They must eat.

Long term potable water supplies is a bigger issue as well.

 

[toobfreak]

Long term potable water supplies is a bigger issue as well.

The Moon actually has a legitimate supply of water, as does even Mars.

Apparently water is both pretty plentiful around the solar system as it is stubborn.

 

[EdwinAMartin]

The Moon actually has a legitimate supply of water, as does even Mars.

Apparently water is both pretty plentiful around the solar system as it is stubborn.

Yes, but is it feasible to support any sizable colony by scavenging for it and then making it potable?

 

[Stryder50]

Fuel is why. No returning from Mars fuel is there. Our best rockets take 9 months to get there. Those rockets never return. IT is a one way trip for anything we have. Who understands this? If you need more persuading, here it is.

I know, if I go through 5+ pages of posts there likely is an answer, but I click on your OP video link and get;
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[Stryder50]

Here is more to consider before you volunteer to go to Mars.

Once again;
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[BackAgain]

I also read that “man will never fly.”

 

[The Duke]

Fuel is why. No returning from Mars fuel is there. Our best rockets take 9 months to get there. Those rockets never return. IT is a one way trip for anything we have. Who understands this? If you need more persuading, here it is.

Shh..don't crush Elon's dreams like that.

 

[toobfreak]

Yes, but is it feasible to support any sizable colony by scavenging for it and then making it potable?

Yes.

 

[Robert W]

Yes.

I wonder if there is a list of volunteers to arrive at Mars?

 

[Robert W]

If a Mars trip was possible, it would have been done decades ago when America spent massively on the space race and relevant fields of science education. Americans then were scientifically educated enough to know it can't be done, so they stopped caring so much about space travel. Now, people of a less scientifically educated nation are trying to restart the hype because they need space travel to sustain progressive beliefs. But we still have plenty of empty land with harsh climates, in Antarctica, Greenland, deserts, mountain ranges, etc. We can spend huge amounts of money to put people there with some months of supplies.

I watched a good bit of a video by a man that went into details as to why if a man gets to mars, he will die there.

He won't be able to return to earth.

 

[Robert W]

I also read that “man will never fly.”

Airplanes fly. However, no man has managed to fly off the earth and transport around the atmosphere. Even jet packs are machines.

 

[Robert W]

Once again;
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[BackAgain]

Airplanes fly. However, no man has managed to fly off the earth and transport around the atmosphere. Even jet packs are machines.

Man did fly. In the machine we know as “airplanes” and a few other devices.

And the astounding proposals, already being seriously considered, for space flight both to and from Mars are not unrealistic.

Technically very detailed and demanding. But absolutely doable.

 

[Robert W]

Man did fly. In the machine we know as “airplanes” and a few other devices.

And the astounding proposals, already being seriously considered, for space flight both to and from Mars are not unrealistic.

Technically very detailed and demanding. But absolutely doable.

I am a pilot. When I take off the airplane flies. I am carried by the airplane.

I wish going to Mars was simple. But it is very complex.
Fuel... This is easy on Earth for the trip to Mars.
Very difficult to get fuel on Mars.
Window of opportunity to return from mars is 2.5 years. Meaning man will have to carry food for that long on his space vehicle. Food to feed humans does not exist on mars. Man is not used to walking on Mars. He could be crippled when walking there. It would take me several hours to lay out the problems; they are that massive.

 

[BackAgain]

I am a pilot. When I take off the airplane flies. I am carried by the airplane.

I get that contention. It’s kind of linguistically based. And it pretends that the “technical sense” is the phrase’s only meaning.

I wish going to Mars was simple. But it is very complex.

I’m pretry sure I said that!

Fuel... This is easy on Earth for the trip to Mars.
Very difficult to get fuel on Mars.
Window of opportunity to return from mars is 2.5 years. Meaning man will have to carry food for that long on his space vehicle. Food to feed humans does not exist on mars. Man is not used to walking on Mars. He could be crippled when walking there. It would take me several hours to lay out the problems; they are that massive.

It’s not just fuel. We all see how much is required when a rocket blasts off. And that fuel is heavy.

It’s also propellant. And that’s also heavy. (It would be more precise to refer to the mass.)

And all kinds of complex math is also intently used.

Yet, despite all of that, and innumerable other complex and interrelated problems, our scientists (the literal rocket scientist and engineers and the astronauts themselves) they have strung some very finely-tuned plans and calculations together.

The process is brilliant and I find it fascinating (despite my only meager grasp on science).

Moon to Mars Architecture - Components - NASA

Editor’s Note: NASA is updating this webpage to align with the latest Artemis program updates announced in February and National Space Policy initiatives

www.nasa.gov

There are many plans and many proposals. But as “observed” by an AI,

“. . . [N]early all serious government Mars crew plans include return to Earth. A one-way crewed Mars mission is generally not the official policy of any major national agency.

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NASA has publicly released “Moon to Mars” architecture documents describing a phased path: use the Moon/Artemis program to develop life support, deep-space transport, landing systems, nuclear propulsion, and surface operations, then eventually send humans to Mars. NASA explicitly states its Mars segment includes systems to travel to Mars, land, and return safely to Earth.”

— An excerpt of a CHatGPT answer (including footnotes like the one earlier, from NASA.) (all bolding and italics are added).

 

[Quasar44]

Fuel is why. No returning from Mars fuel is there. Our best rockets take 9 months to get there. Those rockets never return. IT is a one way trip for anything we have. Who understands this? If you need more persuading, here it is.

In the future : we can use plasma rockets or nuclear fussion

 

[ShahdagMountains]

In the future : we can use plasma rockets or nuclear fussion

Even with all that, the problem remains: the biology.

Loss of bone density through prolonged weightlessness, radiation exposure, and much more.

 

[Quasar44]

Even with all that, the problem remains: the biology.

Loss of bone density through prolonged weightlessness, radiation exposure, and much more.

based on the mathematics , physics and the biology it’s going to be impossible to travel to even close stars . The universe is not obligated to make it possible!!

However with fusion energy and AI robots we may be able to use them to travel to nearby stars within several light years and get there in only 100 years

 

[ShahdagMountains]

based on the mathematics , physics and the biology it’s going to be impossible to travel to even close stars . The universe is not obligated to make it possible!!

However with fusion energy and AI robots we may be able to use them to travel to nearby stars within several light years and get there in only 100 years

Maybe robots are/is the only way to go.