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NIH Admits To Funding Gain-Of-Function Research In Wuhan Lab

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How do you create a vaccine without "change of function"?

You NEVER create a vaccine for something zoonotic that has not already crossed over to humans.
There are an almost infinite number of zoonotic viruses out there, and you don't start creating vaccines for things that are not endemic to humans already.
And if you were attempting to make a vaccine, you would have finished that first, before you started on changing the virus function to be more human compatible.
 

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Using that reasoning, how did the Spanish flu originate in the US?

The Spanish flu originated in the US because the US military effort for WWI caused soldiers to be transported from all over the US, and put into crowded conditions, perfect for the cross breeding of a hybrid.
(Viruses are asexual reproduction, but when more than 1 injects their RNA into the same cell, you get combinations.)
Kansas was a central depot where soldiers went through on their way from the west coast, towards Europe.
Spanish flu should have been expected to start in a place like Kansas, considering what we did there.
 

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The Spanish flu originated in the US because the US military effort for WWI caused soldiers to be transported from all over the US, and put into crowded conditions, perfect for the cross breeding of a hybrid.
(Viruses are asexual reproduction, but when more than 1 injects their RNA into the same cell, you get combinations.)
Kansas was a central depot where soldiers went through on their way from the west coast, towards Europe.
Spanish flu should have been expected to start in a place like Kansas, considering what we did there.
Even if all of that is accurate, pandemics still happen. It was only a matter of time. I should be more grateful for the relative speediness of the vaccine than I currently am.
 

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Even if all of that is accurate, pandemics still happen. It was only a matter of time. I should be more grateful for the relative speediness of the vaccine than I currently am.

I totally disagree.
Pandemics happen, but this one should not have and would not have if we had not deliberately transferred it from bats to humans.
So this vaccine would normally be totally useless.
We should not want or ever need a vaccine for a bat virus.
Nor is a vaccine for covid a good idea, since it is not likely to ever come back once we let herd immunity kill it off.
There is only so much immunity memory that people can hold, so adding more immunity to bizarre bat viruses is a very bad idea.
Never has a vaccine been used to end an epidemic in progress.
Vaccines are just to prevent the next epidemic.
The 2 methods to quickly stop a new epidemic in progress is either full quarantine or deliberate variolation.
Which you choose depends on how lethal it is.
 

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Even if all of that is accurate, pandemics still happen. It was only a matter of time. I should be more grateful for the relative speediness of the vaccine than I currently am.
But you're missing the point. Discovery of origination leads to culpability. If negligence is found, and you, or a family suffered loss do to negligence, you would be looking to a lawyer to get your pay day. Don't be end with and be happy that you're alive and have a vaccine, instead demand truth over how this pandemic happened as it is the first step in stopping the next one.

And... if China and the US gov't is found to be negligent, a couple thousand dollars of stimulus money isn't going to make the global public happy. Think about it..why is the conversation of how this pandemic happened more important?
 

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I totally disagree.
Pandemics happen, but this one should not have and would not have if we had not deliberately transferred it from bats to humans.
Not this specific one; but the Spanish flu was pretty bad and they never developed a vaccine for that one. And, right-wingers were purposefully being rebels without a Cause with their anti-mask and anti-vax stances.
 

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But you're missing the point. Discovery of origination leads to culpability. If negligence is found, and you, or a family suffered loss do to negligence, you would be looking to a lawyer to get your pay day. Don't be end with and be happy that you're alive and have a vaccine, instead demand truth over how this pandemic happened as it is the first step in stopping the next one.

And... if China and the US gov't is found to be negligent, a couple thousand dollars of stimulus money isn't going to make the global public happy. Think about it..why is the conversation of how this pandemic happened more important?
Right-wingers were deliberately being anti-mask and anti-vax; they are deliberately culpable and inciteful.
 

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Not this specific one; but the Spanish flu was pretty bad and they never developed a vaccine for that one. And, right-wingers were purposefully being rebels without a Cause with their anti-mask and anti-vax stances.

I disagree.
Spanish flu still comes back every decade or so.
Then why is it millions are not dying from it whenever it does come back, even though no one ever did a vaccine for it?
The answer is that Spanish flu NEVER was very serious.
The reason so many died is NOT that it was so lethal or infectious.
The reason so many died is that is lasted so long, (over 2 years, 20 times the normal flu duration).
And the reason it lasted so long, (over 2 years), is that we went with masks and social distancing.

Masks and social distancing prevents herd immunity.
Herd immunity is when an epidemic gets too greedy, infects the easy local hosts too quickly, and then dies out because it runs out of easy local hosts.
So to end any epidemic quickly, then the goal should be to deliberately accelerate infection of easy local hosts, to use them up.
Then it is over quickly.
The only time you do not want to do this is if the epidemic is too lethal.
But then you do not just wear masks and social distance, but do full quarantine with contact tracing.

Never do social distancing and masks unless you are going for full quarantine.
If you are not doing full quarantine, then the method is herd immunity, and masks and social distancing are at cross purposes to herd immunity.
With herd immunity you don't want to conserve easy local hosts behind masks and social distancing.
You want to use them up instead, so they have recovery immunity and can't host the virus.
 

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Have you even that more have died under Biden than Trump? You are speaking shit again and seem to be proud of it.

That being said, what has his daughter to do with it? That is even a stretch for someone with your brainpower. As for where the drugs are coming from, under whose leadership has this occurred? Biden and his crooked cronies.

How pathetic is it to support the Biden cartel when the facts squarely show the blame to be Biden's?

A mind is a terrible thing to waste. You would no know since you apparently do not have one.

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Right-wingers were deliberately being anti-mask and anti-vax; they are deliberately culpable and inciteful.

Wrong.
Doctors and nurses tend to be very left wing, and all doctors and nurses I know are extremely anti mask and anti mRNA injection.
You are just ignorant of the details and being swayed by emotional political mumbo jumbo.

Masks are NOT a good policy for an epidemic that is not lethal enough for full quarantine.
The solution for an epidemic not lethal enough for full quarantine, is deliberate infection.
That is what Gen. Washington did to his own troop in 1777.
Its called variolation.
You pick those volunteers least vulnerable, and use the weakest strain.
You do it with the initial spike, attempting to use up all the easy hosts, leaving the epidemic without the easy hosts it needs to survive.

And these are not vaccines for covid. They are synthetic viruses that use a spike protein to enter our cells, and cause our own cells to become fake viruses by growing spike proteins. That is horrifically dangerous. There is no control over location or quantity. I have never heard of anything so crazy and irresponsible. Since they do not contain a real virus, it appears they are even working right with long term T-cell memory, so then are only helping for 3 months, until the antibodies die off.
 

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Either magic or you are not supposed to be intelligent enough to ask that question.

You never need to cause an enhancement of function over to humans before you develop a vaccine.
If the virus is endemic only to animals, then you can develop and test the vaccine on the animals it is endemic to.
 

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This has ZERO to do with Trump.
In fact, Trump could have known Fauci was funding gain of function research in Wuhan.
And Trump said and did nothing different than any of the world leaders.
This epidemic and the bad strategy to combat it has nothing at all to do with Trump.
He never once over ruled Fauci.
Fauci was always in control and did what he wanted.
 

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I disagree.
Spanish flu still comes back every decade or so.
Then why is it millions are not dying from it whenever it does come back, even though no one ever did a vaccine for it?
The answer is that Spanish flu NEVER was very serious.
The reason so many died is NOT that it was so lethal or infectious.
The reason so many died is that is lasted so long, (over 2 years, 20 times the normal flu duration).
And the reason it lasted so long, (over 2 years), is that we went with masks and social distancing.

Masks and social distancing prevents herd immunity.
Herd immunity is when an epidemic gets too greedy, infects the easy local hosts too quickly, and then dies out because it runs out of easy local hosts.
So to end any epidemic quickly, then the goal should be to deliberately accelerate infection of easy local hosts, to use them up.
Then it is over quickly.
The only time you do not want to do this is if the epidemic is too lethal.
But then you do not just wear masks and social distance, but do full quarantine with contact tracing.

Never do social distancing and masks unless you are going for full quarantine.
If you are not doing full quarantine, then the method is herd immunity, and masks and social distancing are at cross purposes to herd immunity.
With herd immunity you don't want to conserve easy local hosts behind masks and social distancing.
You want to use them up instead, so they have recovery immunity and can't host the virus.
From September through November of 1918, the death rate from the Spanish flu skyrocketed. In the United States alone, 195,000 Americans died from the Spanish flu in just the month of October. And unlike a normal seasonal flu, which mostly claims victims among the very young and very old, the second wave of the Spanish flu exhibited what’s called a “W curve”—high numbers of deaths among the young and old, but also a huge spike in the middle composed of otherwise healthy 25- to 35-year-olds in the prime of their life.

 

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Wrong.
Doctors and nurses tend to be very left wing, and all doctors and nurses I know are extremely anti mask and anti mRNA injection.
You are just ignorant of the details and being swayed by emotional political mumbo jumbo.

Masks are NOT a good policy for an epidemic that is not lethal enough for full quarantine.
The solution for an epidemic not lethal enough for full quarantine, is deliberate infection.
That is what Gen. Washington did to his own troop in 1777.
Its called variolation.
You pick those volunteers least vulnerable, and use the weakest strain.
You do it with the initial spike, attempting to use up all the easy hosts, leaving the epidemic without the easy hosts it needs to survive.

And these are not vaccines for covid. They are synthetic viruses that use a spike protein to enter our cells, and cause our own cells to become fake viruses by growing spike proteins. That is horrifically dangerous. There is no control over location or quantity. I have never heard of anything so crazy and irresponsible. Since they do not contain a real virus, it appears they are even working right with long term T-cell memory, so then are only helping for 3 months, until the antibodies die off.
Wrong. Right-wingers on this very board are anti-mask and anti-vax.
 

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Right-wingers were deliberately being anti-mask and anti-vax; they are deliberately culpable and inciteful.
No.. this is not about right vs. left. Again, you're swallowing the wrong pill. Yes, the Politicians and the MSM want you to think this whole thing is the fault of right wingers, trumpers, whatever you want to call them, but that is the wrong narrative. What if this pandemic could have been avoided entirely? What if our Gov't (before Trump was POTUS) had stopped GoF research and funding GoF research. What if the lab had prevented a potential leak?
Who's to blame now?

Blaming a political party now for the pandemic like buying a new car with defective brakes and getting into an accident, then going to the dealership for selling you shitty car and blaming the owner of the dealership, all the while the manufacturer knew the brakes were defective and didn't say anything. You find out the MFG knew, but keep blaming the dealership owner for the problem.
 

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From September through November of 1918, the death rate from the Spanish flu skyrocketed. In the United States alone, 195,000 Americans died from the Spanish flu in just the month of October. And unlike a normal seasonal flu, which mostly claims victims among the very young and very old, the second wave of the Spanish flu exhibited what’s called a “W curve”—high numbers of deaths among the young and old, but also a huge spike in the middle composed of otherwise healthy 25- to 35-year-olds in the prime of their life.


There should never be a 2nd wave with any epidemic.
When there is a 2nd wave, that means not enough people got it in the first wave, and some easy local hosts escaped, in order to keep the epidemic going.
You want the first wave to spike as high as possible, so that it totally burns out as quickly as possible.

You can do masks and social distancing if you want, but then you have to do full quarantine.
You can't do masks and social distancing if you are not doing full quarantine.
If you are not doing full quarantine, then you must do the opposite and deliberately spread the infection as quickly as possible.
You can quarantine those you deliberately infect, so they do not spread it to the vulnerable, but you want as many of those who are not vulnerable, to get infected right away.

Those are the only 2 choices.
Masking and social distancing without full quarantine, is defeating itself.
It can not work.
It just makes the epidemic linger forever, thus resulting in the largest possible death toll.

A second wave means a huge mistake was made.
It means a large local host population was left untouched by the first wave.
 

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Wrong. Right-wingers on this very board are anti-mask and anti-vax.

Every sane person should be anti mask and anti mRNA injection.
These are stupid and irresponsible methods that should not be done at this time and place.
They are illogical, anti science, totally emotion based, and make no sense at all.
Masks are ONLY good if you are doing full quarantine with contact tracing.
If you are not doing full quarantine, then you want to just selectively quarantine the vulnerable, while you try to enhance infection spread with everyone else, as fast as possible.

And I won't even go into these stupid mRNA injections.
They are totally useless, as they are not getting into T-cell memory, and their antibodies are not going to last more than 3 months.
 

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There should never be a 2nd wave with any epidemic.
When there is a 2nd wave, that means not enough people got it in the first wave, and some easy local hosts escaped, in order to keep the epidemic going.
You want the first wave to spike as high as possible, so that it totally burns out as quickly as possible.

You can do masks and social distancing if you want, but then you have to do full quarantine.
You can't do masks and social distancing if you are not doing full quarantine.
If you are not doing full quarantine, then you must do the opposite and deliberately spread the infection as quickly as possible.
You can quarantine those you deliberately infect, so they do not spread it to the vulnerable, but you want as many of those who are not vulnerable, to get infected right away.

Those are the only 2 choices.
Masking and social distancing without full quarantine, is defeating itself.
It can not work.
It just makes the epidemic linger forever, thus resulting in the largest possible death toll.

A second wave means a huge mistake was made.
It means a large local host population was left untouched by the first wave.
We should have learned from history.
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