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Next Battle In Ukraine Tougher For Ukrainians!

JimofPennsylvan

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The Battle for Eastern Ukraine is going to be much tougher for the Ukrainians than the Battle for Kyiv contrary to the experts. People need to stop assuming the next battle is going to be a repeat of the last one! The Media has these retired U.S. generals who granted are very knowledgeable and capable in war fighting coming out with the assessment that essentially Russia doesn't have the wherewithal to take the eastern part of Ukraine. They point to the fact that the Russian military is deficient in so many metrics: coordination between the various types of military units when making an offensive on the battlefield, resupply-logistics, equipment maintenance, etc.. They point to the fact that the Russian army in the Battle of Kyiv lost like 650 tanks, 150 planes over a 1000 armored personnel carriers, etc. These Generals aren't using common sense, the Russians still have firepower to level the entire of eastern Ukraine three times over; when the Russians started the Ukrainian war they had 500 planes dedicated that means they still have 350 planes left when they started the war they had something like fifteen thousand tanks that means they still have over fourteen thousand tanks left. Not only can the Russians bring to bear annihilating fire power but the fact that the fighters in the Russian army don't warrant the grade of soldiers but rather the characterization of criminals and animals doesn't rule out that the Russians could still win this battle because these fighters know how to kill and with that ability they could bring about the Russian Army winning the fight for Donbas. Remember around 2014 when the ISIS fighters in northern Iraq had won the battle for northern Iraq and were threatening Baghdad and so President Obama sent in U.S. forces and turned the war around for the Iraqi people; yes ISIS fighters were barbarians were animals the way they treated Iraqi civilians just like Russian fighters, now imagine if back then ISIS had air superiority over Iraq and could cover the battlefield with artillery guns and tanks - ISIS would have taken over Baghdad if not the whole country - the amount and severity of lethal weapons that a side in modern war has matters to the outcome of that war that is just basic common sense. Moreover, difficulty in the strategic tasks for the Battle for Eastern Ukraine has reversed from the Battle of Kyiv; in the Battle of Kyiv the Russians had to maintain supply lines vulnerable to enemy firepower, the Ukrainians didn't have this problem now for the Battle of Eastern Ukraine, the Ukrainians are going to have the supply line problem specifically the supply lines to their front lines bordering the separatist areas in Donbas are going to be in the range of Russian artillery or almost certainly will once the battle gets well underway plus at some time during the battle the Ukrainian forces front lines will be cut and Ukrainian forces will be encircled so Ukrainian forces will have to be able to retreat meaning moving weapon systems to a defensible area and this movement will have to be conducted under exposure to Russian artillery! During this battle Russia will have a much easier job supplying their troops their supply lines will run through areas in Ukraine they have controlled for weeks now! It is not suggested here that Russia will likely win the Battle for Eastern Ukraine, it is suggested that the Ukrainians have a really tough and hard fight in this battle and whether the Ukrainians win really depends how well the Ukrainians fight and whether they can maintain that high performance level of fight for the long period that Vladimir Putin could subject them to!


Also, the American government should do more to help the country of Poland with the Ukrainian refugee problem; two million plus refugees is a number that risk levels of collapse in Poland! America should be providing an abundance of financial aid to Poland to reduce the reduce this refugee burden; having situations like ten people living in a two bedroom apartment is not a sustainable plan. America's offer to take 100K refugees is shameful we should offer to take triple that amount and the normal refugee processing takes way too long; take women and children and old people now, such people are not likely security risk, give these people visas where they can work and put them into the Temporary Protected Status/ Deferred Action program so they won't run into any problems with ICE!
 
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It's America's war against Russia. What happens to the Ukrainians if they continue to die as pawns, is of no consequence to the outcome of the war.

Hopefully they will soon refuse to fight America's war and save thier women, children, and a part of their country that Russia has no interest in taking.

Peace has to be the only priority if America is ever excluded from the conflict.

See antiwar.com for the counterspin on the propaganda.
 

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The Battle for Eastern Ukraine is going to be much tougher for the Ukrainians than the Battle for Kyiv contrary to the experts. People need to stop assuming the next battle is going to be a repeat of the last one! The Media has these retired U.S. generals who granted are very knowledgeable and capable in war fighting coming out with the assessment that essentially Russia doesn't have the wherewithal to take the eastern part of Ukraine. They point to the fact that the Russian military is deficient in so many metrics: coordination between the various types of military units when making an offensive on the battlefield, resupply-logistics, equipment maintenance, etc.. They point to the fact that the Russian army in the Battle of Kyiv lost like 650 tanks, 150 planes over a 1000 armored personnel carriers, etc. These Generals aren't using common sense, the Russians still have firepower to level the entire of eastern Ukraine three times over; when the Russians started the Ukrainian war they had 500 planes dedicated that means they still have 350 planes left when they started the war they had something like fifteen thousand tanks that means they still have over fourteen thousand tanks left. Not only can the Russians bring to bear annihilating fire power but the fact that the fighters in the Russian army don't warrant the grade of soldiers but rather the characterization of criminals and animals doesn't rule out that the Russians could still win this battle because these fighters know how to kill and with that ability they could bring about the Russian Army winning the fight for Donbas. Remember around 2014 when the ISIS fighters in northern Iraq had won the battle for northern Iraq and were threatening Baghdad and so President Obama sent in U.S. forces and turned the war around for the Iraqi people; yes ISIS fighters were barbarians were animals the way they treated Iraqi civilians just like Russian fighters, now imagine if back then ISIS had air superiority over Iraq and could cover the battlefield with artillery guns and tanks - ISIS would have taken over Baghdad if not the whole country - the amount and severity of lethal weapons that a side in modern war has matters to the outcome of that war that is just basic common sense. Moreover, difficulty in the strategic tasks for the Battle for Eastern Ukraine has reversed from the Battle of Kyiv; in the Battle of Kyiv the Russians had to maintain supply lines vulnerable to enemy firepower, the Ukrainians didn't have this problem now for the Battle of Eastern Ukraine, the Ukrainians are going to have the supply line problem specifically the supply lines to their front lines bordering the separatist areas in Donbas are going to be in the range of Russian artillery or almost certainly will once the battle gets well underway plus at some time during the battle the Ukrainian forces front lines will be cut and Ukrainian forces will be encircled so Ukrainian forces will have to be able to retreat meaning moving weapon systems to a defensible area and this movement will have to be conducted under exposure to Russian artillery! During this battle Russia will have a much easier job supplying their troops their supply lines will run through areas in Ukraine they have controlled for weeks now! It is not suggested here that Russia will likely win the Battle for Eastern Ukraine, it is suggested that the Ukrainians have a really tough and hard fight in this battle and whether the Ukrainians win really depends how well the Ukrainians fight and whether they can maintain that high performance level of fight for the long period that Vladimir Putin could subject them to!


Also, the American government should do more to help the country of Poland with the Ukrainian refugee problem; two million plus refugees is a number that risk levels of collapse in Poland! America should be providing an abundance of financial aid to Poland to reduce the reduce this refugee burden; having situations like ten people living in a two bedroom apartment is not a sustainable plan. America's offer to take 100K refugees is shameful we should offer to take triple that amount and the normal refugee processing takes way too long; take women and children and old people now, such people are not likely security risk, give these people visas where they can work and put them into the Temporary Protected Status/ Deferred Action program so they won't run into any problems with ICE!
Seems an apt assessment. Apparently, Ukrainians are out of food and gas and can't retreat.
 

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The history of war is the history of technological one upmanship

Blinken has said that there will be 10 anti-tank systems in Ukraine for every Russian tank:


It seems that tanks are now obsolete. Russia has long built it's military strategy on massive tanks attacks - and NATO has been planning to counter that for the past 70 years.

Additionally, Ukraine is getting plenty of anti-aircraft weapons.

I doubt that the NATO generals would be promoting the continuation of this fight if Ukraine couldn't win - and so far NATO has been 100% correct in their predictions.

The only advantage Russia will have is it's long range artillery. Don't be surprised if NATO has a solution for that.

NATO aggravated this war to damage Russia - and their plan is going swimmingly. Russia walked into their first trap, now it looks like they're walking into the second one.
 

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The history of war is the history of technological one upmanship

Blinken has said that there will be 10 anti-tank systems in Ukraine for every Russian tank:


It seems that tanks are now obsolete. Russia has long built it's military strategy on massive tanks attacks - and NATO has been planning to counter that for the past 70 years.

Additionally, Ukraine is getting plenty of anti-aircraft weapons.

I doubt that the NATO generals would be promoting the continuation of this fight if Ukraine couldn't win - and so far NATO has been 100% correct in their predictions.

The only advantage Russia will have is it's long range artillery. Don't be surprised if NATO has a solution for that.

NATO aggravated this war to damage Russia - and their plan is going swimmingly. Russia walked into their first trap, now it looks like they're walking into the second one.
The violent, effeminate CIA has been in Ukraine for 70 years.
 

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The history of war is the history of technological one upmanship

Blinken has said that there will be 10 anti-tank systems in Ukraine for every Russian tank:


It seems that tanks are now obsolete. Russia has long built it's military strategy on massive tanks attacks - and NATO has been planning to counter that for the past 70 years.

Additionally, Ukraine is getting plenty of anti-aircraft weapons.

I doubt that the NATO generals would be promoting the continuation of this fight if Ukraine couldn't win - and so far NATO has been 100% correct in their predictions.

The only advantage Russia will have is it's long range artillery. Don't be surprised if NATO has a solution for that.

NATO aggravated this war to damage Russia - and their plan is going swimmingly. Russia walked into their first trap, now it looks like they're walking into the second one.
This time, rather than abstain, China voted against the UN resolution to expel Russia.
 

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The history of war is the history of technological one upmanship

Blinken has said that there will be 10 anti-tank systems in Ukraine for every Russian tank:


It seems that tanks are now obsolete. Russia has long built it's military strategy on massive tanks attacks - and NATO has been planning to counter that for the past 70 years.

Additionally, Ukraine is getting plenty of anti-aircraft weapons.

I doubt that the NATO generals would be promoting the continuation of this fight if Ukraine couldn't win - and so far NATO has been 100% correct in their predictions.

The only advantage Russia will have is it's long range artillery. Don't be surprised if NATO has a solution for that.

NATO aggravated this war to damage Russia - and their plan is going swimmingly. Russia walked into their first trap, now it looks like they're walking into the second one.
So Einstein, how many Kinzhals does Russia have?
 

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So Einstein, how many Kinzhals does Russia have?

I don't know, but I'm sure the U.S. military does.

But, the Russian military has no idea how many hypersonic missiles the U.S. & NATO has.

But get a clue, the U.S. military is 30-50 years ahead of Russian technologically. That's why NATO anti-tank systems are slaughtering Russian tanks.

Besides, the Russian economy is tiny as compared to the U.S., so Russia doesn't have the capacity to produce high tech weaponry in the quantities that the U.S. can.
 

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Guess again. We've had hypersonics for many. many years.


They just tested a hypersonic ICBM...

 

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The Battle for Eastern Ukraine is going to be much tougher for the Ukrainians than the Battle for Kyiv contrary to the experts. People need to stop assuming the next battle is going to be a repeat of the last one! The Media has these retired U.S. generals who granted are very knowledgeable and capable in war fighting coming out with the assessment that essentially Russia doesn't have the wherewithal to take the eastern part of Ukraine. They point to the fact that the Russian military is deficient in so many metrics: coordination between the various types of military units when making an offensive on the battlefield, resupply-logistics, equipment maintenance, etc.. They point to the fact that the Russian army in the Battle of Kyiv lost like 650 tanks, 150 planes over a 1000 armored personnel carriers, etc. These Generals aren't using common sense, the Russians still have firepower to level the entire of eastern Ukraine three times over; when the Russians started the Ukrainian war they had 500 planes dedicated that means they still have 350 planes left when they started the war they had something like fifteen thousand tanks that means they still have over fourteen thousand tanks left. Not only can the Russians bring to bear annihilating fire power but the fact that the fighters in the Russian army don't warrant the grade of soldiers but rather the characterization of criminals and animals doesn't rule out that the Russians could still win this battle because these fighters know how to kill and with that ability they could bring about the Russian Army winning the fight for Donbas. Remember around 2014 when the ISIS fighters in northern Iraq had won the battle for northern Iraq and were threatening Baghdad and so President Obama sent in U.S. forces and turned the war around for the Iraqi people; yes ISIS fighters were barbarians were animals the way they treated Iraqi civilians just like Russian fighters, now imagine if back then ISIS had air superiority over Iraq and could cover the battlefield with artillery guns and tanks - ISIS would have taken over Baghdad if not the whole country - the amount and severity of lethal weapons that a side in modern war has matters to the outcome of that war that is just basic common sense. Moreover, difficulty in the strategic tasks for the Battle for Eastern Ukraine has reversed from the Battle of Kyiv; in the Battle of Kyiv the Russians had to maintain supply lines vulnerable to enemy firepower, the Ukrainians didn't have this problem now for the Battle of Eastern Ukraine, the Ukrainians are going to have the supply line problem specifically the supply lines to their front lines bordering the separatist areas in Donbas are going to be in the range of Russian artillery or almost certainly will once the battle gets well underway plus at some time during the battle the Ukrainian forces front lines will be cut and Ukrainian forces will be encircled so Ukrainian forces will have to be able to retreat meaning moving weapon systems to a defensible area and this movement will have to be conducted under exposure to Russian artillery! During this battle Russia will have a much easier job supplying their troops their supply lines will run through areas in Ukraine they have controlled for weeks now! It is not suggested here that Russia will likely win the Battle for Eastern Ukraine, it is suggested that the Ukrainians have a really tough and hard fight in this battle and whether the Ukrainians win really depends how well the Ukrainians fight and whether they can maintain that high performance level of fight for the long period that Vladimir Putin could subject them to!


Also, the American government should do more to help the country of Poland with the Ukrainian refugee problem; two million plus refugees is a number that risk levels of collapse in Poland! America should be providing an abundance of financial aid to Poland to reduce the reduce this refugee burden; having situations like ten people living in a two bedroom apartment is not a sustainable plan. America's offer to take 100K refugees is shameful we should offer to take triple that amount and the normal refugee processing takes way too long; take women and children and old people now, such people are not likely security risk, give these people visas where they can work and put them into the Temporary Protected Status/ Deferred Action program so they won't run into any problems with ICE!
And that must have been your secret you didn't want to let us in on for so long?
Turn your fucking TV and every talking head you'll see will be babbling about how Russia is not well equipped, disorganized and loosing. If, God forbid, it's Ukrainian TV then Russia lost before it started. Change the channel and see the real picture.
 

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Firepower and technology isn't the issue with Russia's army. They had all those things at the beginning of the war and they still couldn't take a small city like Kyiv. The US had the firepower, better tech, better soldiers, much better training and way superior logistics and tactics than Russia could ever hope to have, and they couldn't even take a mudhole like Afghanistan from guys running around in pajamas. The Russian army is swimming in a sea of confusion, incompetence and corruption. This will not end well for them.
 

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Yes, they have. Too bad for you.
No, too bad for them. We now have a lasting record of how to turn a country to shit, by a regime-change mafia that includes oaths and "ex-nazis."
 

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Is anyone surprised that the CIA would first get Zelenskiy addicted to their cocaine?

Random internet poster:

"Zelenskiy is now completely under the control of British special forces. His guards are all British. If he says anything that the Brits do not tell him to, he will be destroyed on the spot. And he knows it. And Britain needs eternal war in Ukraine, eternal chaos, so that the Russian people one both sides kill each other for as long as possible."

Suggested reading: McCoy, The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade.
 

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Firepower and technology isn't the issue with Russia's army. They had all those things at the beginning of the war and they still couldn't take a small city like Kyiv. The US had the firepower, better tech, better soldiers, much better training and way superior logistics and tactics than Russia could ever hope to have, and they couldn't even take a mudhole like Afghanistan from guys running around in pajamas. The Russian army is swimming in a sea of confusion, incompetence and corruption. This will not end well for them.
Not too bads for a 40-mile convoy. It was also a 40-mile convoy that left the $1000-a-night hooker, Kiev. Rather than a frog's Cyclopian eyeview from the bottom of a well, there are other possibilities. This CIA-debauched bitch has been illegal since 2014, so driving around and parking before leaving is likely a Russian joke. Ukraine won the first round, but it enters a phase of competition for resources.

Nazi-dem POSPOTUS, his POS son, and their handlers want access to the the Yuzivka gas field. This next round resonates with poor karma for families of the swastika.
 

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And that must have been your secret you didn't want to let us in on for so long?
Turn your fucking TV and every talking head you'll see will be babbling about how Russia is not well equipped, disorganized and loosing. If, God forbid, it's Ukrainian TV then Russia lost before it started. Change the channel and see the real picture.
So we watch this poster conveniently screw the reader by not mentioning the other side's statistics.
 

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It's none other than CNN:

4 Ap 2022 U.S. Tested Hypersonic Missile in Mid-March But Kept It Quiet to Avoid Escalating Tensions with Russia
 

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It's America's war against Russia. What happens to the Ukrainians if they continue to die as pawns, is of no consequence to the outcome of the war.

Hopefully they will soon refuse to fight America's war and save thier women, children, and a part of their country that Russia has no interest in taking.

Peace has to be the only priority if America is ever excluded from the conflict.

See antiwar.com for the counterspin on the propaganda.
Spot on....
 

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