Newt the ethanol lobbyist

[Si modo]

Senate votes to end ethanol subsidies, Obama threatens to veto

Senate votes to end ethanol subsidies, Obama threatens to veto


Seems Obama likes ethanol too no?

This is a one-sided thread. You have no business posting that here.

 

[Toro]

Senate votes to end ethanol subsidies, Obama threatens to veto

Senate votes to end ethanol subsidies, Obama threatens to veto


Seems Obama likes ethanol too no?

Yup.

Kill it.

 

[JoeB131]

and newt's not an establishment guy?

what color is the sky on your home planet?

Well, he must not be, given the way they've gone batshit crazy at the prospect of him being ahead.

You see, the model of the GOP is this. Finding ways to help the rich get richer, but the fact is, that doesn't get a lot of votes. So they pay lip service to the social conservatives and the defense conservatives and the small government conservatives.

Newt saved their asses, really. If Clinton had been given his way, we'd have socialized medicine and a much bigger nanny state. Newt was the guy who fought the fight they were too gutless to have.

But I often say about the "Old Man Potter" wing of the GOP is that they usually have to be saved from themselves.

 

[Ravi]

and newt's not an establishment guy?

what color is the sky on your home planet?

Well, he must not be, given the way they've gone batshit crazy at the prospect of him being ahead.

You see, the model of the GOP is this. Finding ways to help the rich get richer, but the fact is, that doesn't get a lot of votes. So they pay lip service to the social conservatives and the defense conservatives and the small government conservatives.

Newt saved their asses, really. If Clinton had been given his way, we'd have socialized medicine and a much bigger nanny state. Newt was the guy who fought the fight they were too gutless to have.

But I often say about the "Old Man Potter" wing of the GOP is that they usually have to be saved from themselves.

And yet Newt supported the single payer system, which is way more socialistic than mandating that everyone have insurance.

 

[JoeB131]

and newt's not an establishment guy?

what color is the sky on your home planet?

Well, he must not be, given the way they've gone batshit crazy at the prospect of him being ahead.

You see, the model of the GOP is this. Finding ways to help the rich get richer, but the fact is, that doesn't get a lot of votes. So they pay lip service to the social conservatives and the defense conservatives and the small government conservatives.

Newt saved their asses, really. If Clinton had been given his way, we'd have socialized medicine and a much bigger nanny state. Newt was the guy who fought the fight they were too gutless to have.

But I often say about the "Old Man Potter" wing of the GOP is that they usually have to be saved from themselves.

And yet Newt supported the single payer system, which is way more socialistic than mandating that everyone have insurance.

Source?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Well, he must not be, given the way they've gone batshit crazy at the prospect of him being ahead.

You see, the model of the GOP is this. Finding ways to help the rich get richer, but the fact is, that doesn't get a lot of votes. So they pay lip service to the social conservatives and the defense conservatives and the small government conservatives.

Newt saved their asses, really. If Clinton had been given his way, we'd have socialized medicine and a much bigger nanny state. Newt was the guy who fought the fight they were too gutless to have.

But I often say about the "Old Man Potter" wing of the GOP is that they usually have to be saved from themselves.

And yet Newt supported the single payer system, which is way more socialistic than mandating that everyone have insurance.

Source?

Yes newt wanted a mandate for healthcare coverage back in 1993 and as recent as 2008

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politic...t-gingrich-and-romney-for-individual-mandate/
27 Reasons Why Newt Gingrich Would Be A Really, Really Bad President

 

[JoeB131]

And yet Newt supported the single payer system, which is way more socialistic than mandating that everyone have insurance.

Source?

Yes newt wanted a mandate for healthcare coverage back in 1993 and as recent as 2008

Rick Perry Swings at Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney for Individual Mandate - ABC News
27 Reasons Why Newt Gingrich Would Be A Really, Really Bad President

That's not what she said. She said that he supported single payer, not a mandate.

Incidently, supporting a mandate in 1993 wasn't such a bad idea, compared to what Hillary was proposing. But that was back when you could get health insurance for a reasonable price.

Today it would cost $10,000 to get insurance for a family when the median family income is $50,000. That's what makes a mandate so onerous.

 

[Toro]

Source?

Yes newt wanted a mandate for healthcare coverage back in 1993 and as recent as 2008

Rick Perry Swings at Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney for Individual Mandate - ABC News
27 Reasons Why Newt Gingrich Would Be A Really, Really Bad President

That's not what she said. She said that he supported single payer, not a mandate.

Incidently, supporting a mandate in 1993 wasn't such a bad idea, compared to what Hillary was proposing. But that was back when you could get health insurance for a reasonable price.

Today it would cost $10,000 to get insurance for a family when the median family income is $50,000. That's what makes a mandate so onerous.

Newt supported "Obamacare."

 

[JoeB131]

Newt supported a private sector solution...

Clearly, that's not what ObamaCare is, because ObamaCare also imposes a lot of restrictions on the Insurance industry that essentially makes them public utilities.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Source?

Yes newt wanted a mandate for healthcare coverage back in 1993 and as recent as 2008

Rick Perry Swings at Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney for Individual Mandate - ABC News
27 Reasons Why Newt Gingrich Would Be A Really, Really Bad President

That's not what she said. She said that he supported single payer, not a mandate.

Incidently, supporting a mandate in 1993 wasn't such a bad idea, compared to what Hillary was proposing. But that was back when you could get health insurance for a reasonable price.

Today it would cost $10,000 to get insurance for a family when the median family income is $50,000. That's what makes a mandate so onerous.

Let's take a look at that word "MANDATE" I don't care what year it is, it still means the same thing forcing people by the government to buy a service at a price they do not want to make. .

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Newt supported a private sector solution...

Clearly, that's not what ObamaCare is, because ObamaCare also imposes a lot of restrictions on the Insurance industry that essentially makes them public utilities.

HORSE SHIT

Gingrich Backs Obamacare's Individual Mandate Requiring Health Insurance


http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/gingrich-health-care-insurance/2011/05/15/id/396426

 

[JoeB131]

Let's take a look at that word "MANDATE" I don't care what year it is, it still means the same thing forcing people by the government to buy a service at a price they do not want to make. .

Well, the alternative would be "let them die".

Because once you've put a mandate on the health providers that they are obligated to provide care regardless of your ability to pay, you have to pay for it somehow.

I frankly don't think that the mandate is the best way to go, but I don't have a lot of better solutions..... do you?

I also don't think the uninsured were the most pressing problem. The most pressing problem is the costs of health care are going up at thrice the rate of inflation, which is putting health care out of everyone's reach.

 

[Toro]

Newt supported a private sector solution...

Clearly, that's not what ObamaCare is, because ObamaCare also imposes a lot of restrictions on the Insurance industry that essentially makes them public utilities.

"Obamacare" is a private sector solution. You don't much about the insurance industry if you think the industry was not already subject to a whole lot of restrictions.

But nice try.

 

[JoeB131]

Newt supported a private sector solution...

Clearly, that's not what ObamaCare is, because ObamaCare also imposes a lot of restrictions on the Insurance industry that essentially makes them public utilities.

HORSE SHIT

Gingrich Backs Obamacare's Individual Mandate Requiring Health Insurance


Gingrich Backs Obamacare's Individual Mandate Requiring Health Insurance

Guy, once again- not what Obama proposed, which is quite different.


Waiting to hear Crazy Ron Paul's solution...

 

[JoeB131]

Newt supported a private sector solution...

Clearly, that's not what ObamaCare is, because ObamaCare also imposes a lot of restrictions on the Insurance industry that essentially makes them public utilities.

"Obamacare" is a private sector solution. You don't much about the insurance industry if you think the industry was not already subject to a whole lot of restrictions.

But nice try.

The ones ObamaCare imposed were a lot more onerous, such as eliminating "pre-existing conditions".

Which is really the equivlent of letting you buy auto insurance AFTER you've crashed your car into the wall.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Newt supported a private sector solution...

Clearly, that's not what ObamaCare is, because ObamaCare also imposes a lot of restrictions on the Insurance industry that essentially makes them public utilities.

HORSE SHIT

Gingrich Backs Obamacare's Individual Mandate Requiring Health Insurance


Gingrich Backs Obamacare's Individual Mandate Requiring Health Insurance

Guy, once again- not what Obama proposed, which is quite different.


Waiting to hear Crazy Ron Paul's solution...

horse shit you are crazy.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY2WaJyL51k]Obama Single Payer Best Plan - YouTube[/ame]

 

[JoeB131]

Still not seeing what Crazy Ron is going to propose...

"Let him die" is not a policy. Just makes us look bad.

 

[Toro]

Newt supported a private sector solution...

Clearly, that's not what ObamaCare is, because ObamaCare also imposes a lot of restrictions on the Insurance industry that essentially makes them public utilities.

"Obamacare" is a private sector solution. You don't much about the insurance industry if you think the industry was not already subject to a whole lot of restrictions.

But nice try.

The ones ObamaCare imposed were a lot more onerous, such as eliminating "pre-existing conditions".

Which is really the equivlent of letting you buy auto insurance AFTER you've crashed your car into the wall.

You keep telling yourself that if it makes you sleep better.

Insurance is one of the most regulated industries in the country. They weren't public utilities before healthcare reform and they won't be afterwards.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Still not seeing what Crazy Ron is going to propose...

"Let him die" is not a policy. Just makes us look bad.

still cannot see you as a sane person, but what can you do when crazy people refuse to take their meds?

 

[JoeB131]

"Obamacare" is a private sector solution. You don't much about the insurance industry if you think the industry was not already subject to a whole lot of restrictions.

But nice try.

The ones ObamaCare imposed were a lot more onerous, such as eliminating "pre-existing conditions".

Which is really the equivlent of letting you buy auto insurance AFTER you've crashed your car into the wall.

You keep telling yourself that if it makes you sleep better.

Insurance is one of the most regulated industries in the country. They weren't public utilities before healthcare reform and they won't be afterwards.

Uh, yeah, actually, they are.

If you tell them they have to cover everyone and they can't refuse to make payments and the government will make up their shortfalls, they are a public utility at that point.

They are the Post Office or ComEd.

The problem with ObamneyCare (really, there's no difference between the two) is that it doesn't address the real problem. The real problem is that health care is increasing in price at three times the rate of inflation, and has been doing so since the 1990's.

It simply makes people who are not customers into unwilling customers and increases the money pool, but it doesn't address the underlying problem.

And if the courts strike down the individual Mandate while leaving the restrictions on refusing payments intact, that will just speed up the demise of the industry, because people won't buy insurance until they get sick.