New York city submits to Islam

[MindWars]

• The media began to paint Muslims as the victims of Saipov's attack -- not the dead and the wounded victims of the terrorist.
  
  
• "As a Muslim committed to fighting Islamism, I appeal to you: The need for strong
  New York City Submits to Islam
  

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Never let a good crisis go to waste you mean you didn't see this coming it's been in plain view. Trendy's won't notice a thing until it hits them personally and even then some are to fkn stupid to fend for their own rights as they suffer from a severe case of stock holm syndrome.

Other people won't care because their attitude is " oh who cares, that's in NY" well news flash if it's happened there it is very highly likely it can happen in your state / city fools.

 

[irosie91]

Dr Ahmed is a saint-----I have known lots of Dr. Ahmeds-----
not all are saints----she IS.

 

[Penelope]

• The media began to paint Muslims as the victims of Saipov's attack -- not the dead and the wounded victims of the terrorist.
  
  
• "As a Muslim committed to fighting Islamism, I appeal to you: The need for strong
  New York City Submits to Islam

==========================================================================
Never let a good crisis go to waste you mean you didn't see this coming it's been in plain view. Trendy's won't notice a thing until it hits them personally and even then some are to fkn stupid to fend for their own rights as they suffer from a severe case of stock holm syndrome.

Other people won't care because their attitude is " oh who cares, that's in NY" well news flash if it's happened there it is very highly likely it can happen in your state / city fools.

Short attention span after the church shooting , you go right back after the Muslim.

 

[Peach]

Divide and conquer gets old quick.

 

[Dragonlady]

• The media began to paint Muslims as the victims of Saipov's attack -- not the dead and the wounded victims of the terrorist.
  
  
• "As a Muslim committed to fighting Islamism, I appeal to you: The need for strong
  New York City Submits to Islam

==========================================================================
Never let a good crisis go to waste you mean you didn't see this coming it's been in plain view. Trendy's won't notice a thing until it hits them personally and even then some are to fkn stupid to fend for their own rights as they suffer from a severe case of stock holm syndrome.

Other people won't care because their attitude is " oh who cares, that's in NY" well news flash if it's happened there it is very highly likely it can happen in your state / city fools.

Gatestone Institute - purveyor of @fake news”

Gatestone Institute - Wikipedia

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Short attention span after the church shooting , you go right back after the Muslim.

It is possible to have separate discussions, especially regarding separate incidents.
The church shooting is a one-off, an anomaly perpetrated by a whacko.
The Muslim murder is in league with a movement -- 80 million strong -- that has been incessantly committing mass murder for decades.
No comparison in scope.
Separate issues.

 

[Penelope]

Short attention span after the church shooting , you go right back after the Muslim.

It is possible to have separate discussions, especially regarding separate incidents.
The church shooting is a one-off, an anomaly perpetrated by a whacko.
The Muslim murder is in league with a movement -- 80 million strong -- that has been incessantly committing mass murder for decades.
No comparison in scope.
Separate issues.

No both are the same, both displayed anger and used different weapons. But we know the Muslim attack is oh so much worst.

The church shooting was not a wacko, his anger got the best of him, anger. Rage. Both of them and different reasons.

 

[MindWars]

• The media began to paint Muslims as the victims of Saipov's attack -- not the dead and the wounded victims of the terrorist.
  
  
• "As a Muslim committed to fighting Islamism, I appeal to you: The need for strong
  New York City Submits to Islam

==========================================================================
Never let a good crisis go to waste you mean you didn't see this coming it's been in plain view. Trendy's won't notice a thing until it hits them personally and even then some are to fkn stupid to fend for their own rights as they suffer from a severe case of stock holm syndrome.

Other people won't care because their attitude is " oh who cares, that's in NY" well news flash if it's happened there it is very highly likely it can happen in your state / city fools.

Gatestone Institute - purveyor of @fake news”

Gatestone Institute - Wikipedia

You have no clue who this woman is do you

Dr. Qanta Ahmed, a British Muslim, recently wrote: "The need for strong surveillance of Muslim communities in the West has never been greater.... From inside the communities where Islamists hide, we can deter Islamism.... the state must outlaw Islamist groups." (Image source: Fox News video screenshot)

She is a Muslim, and she is decoding what blind sheep can't see right in front of them.

 

[irosie91]

Short attention span after the church shooting , you go right back after the Muslim.

It is possible to have separate discussions, especially regarding separate incidents.
The church shooting is a one-off, an anomaly perpetrated by a whacko.
The Muslim murder is in league with a movement -- 80 million strong -- that has been incessantly committing mass murder for decades.
No comparison in scope.
Separate issues.

No both are the same, both displayed anger and used different weapons. But we know the Muslim attack is oh so much worst.

The church shooting was not a wacko, his anger got the best of him, anger. Rage. Both of them and different reasons.

The muslim attack is not as (sic) worst as is your grammar.
I would add that so far the motive of the church shooting is not known. It is notable that one of the dead is his wife's grandmother------could have been a family thing. There is
a qualitative difference between crimes "in the family" and random violence for the sake of terrorism

 

[irosie91]

• The media began to paint Muslims as the victims of Saipov's attack -- not the dead and the wounded victims of the terrorist.
  
  
• "As a Muslim committed to fighting Islamism, I appeal to you: The need for strong
  New York City Submits to Islam

==========================================================================
Never let a good crisis go to waste you mean you didn't see this coming it's been in plain view. Trendy's won't notice a thing until it hits them personally and even then some are to fkn stupid to fend for their own rights as they suffer from a severe case of stock holm syndrome.

Other people won't care because their attitude is " oh who cares, that's in NY" well news flash if it's happened there it is very highly likely it can happen in your state / city fools.

Gatestone Institute - purveyor of @fake news”

Gatestone Institute - Wikipedia

I don't understand your point, Dragon

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Short attention span after the church shooting , you go right back after the Muslim.

It is possible to have separate discussions, especially regarding separate incidents.
The church shooting is a one-off, an anomaly perpetrated by a whacko.
The Muslim murder is in league with a movement -- 80 million strong -- that has been incessantly committing mass murder for decades.
No comparison in scope.
Separate issues.

No both are the same, both displayed anger and used different weapons. But we know the Muslim attack is oh so much worst.

The church shooting was not a wacko, his anger got the best of him, anger. Rage. Both of them and different reasons.

No, they're completely separate. No comparison beyond mass murder. The motives are completely distinct and separate.
You're guilty of trying to conflate them due to your own bias and lack of objectivity.

 

[WillMunny]

It's very, very difficult to feel sympathy when terrorists attack a community that performs as much Islam fellatio as NYC (or any European country). As far as I'm concerned, they WANTED Islam and by god they got it, didn't they. People who are attracted to the most demonstrably VIOLENT hate-ideology on this planet have diseased minds, diseased characters and diseased souls and therefore deserve every muslim liability they get.

 

[Dragonlady]

• The media began to paint Muslims as the victims of Saipov's attack -- not the dead and the wounded victims of the terrorist.
  
  
• "As a Muslim committed to fighting Islamism, I appeal to you: The need for strong
  New York City Submits to Islam

==========================================================================
Never let a good crisis go to waste you mean you didn't see this coming it's been in plain view. Trendy's won't notice a thing until it hits them personally and even then some are to fkn stupid to fend for their own rights as they suffer from a severe case of stock holm syndrome.

Other people won't care because their attitude is " oh who cares, that's in NY" well news flash if it's happened there it is very highly likely it can happen in your state / city fools.

Gatestone Institute - purveyor of @fake news”

Gatestone Institute - Wikipedia

I don't understand your point, Dragon

As usual the article that the Russian troll linked to in the OP is a known purveyor of “fake news” and is very anti-Muslim.

This particular poster has a long history of linking to fake news articles and websites and fits the profile of a Russian troll farm worker - joined the board in Oct. 2016 and has already racked up over 15,000 posts. His/her avatar is Vladimir Putin for heavens sake!

In order to have 15,000 posts in a year, you have to make over 40 posts a day, 365 day’s a year. Unless this is you full time job, who has that kind of time?

 

[Dragonlady]

Short attention span after the church shooting , you go right back after the Muslim.

It is possible to have separate discussions, especially regarding separate incidents.
The church shooting is a one-off, an anomaly perpetrated by a whacko.
The Muslim murder is in league with a movement -- 80 million strong -- that has been incessantly committing mass murder for decades.
No comparison in scope.
Separate issues.

No both are the same, both displayed anger and used different weapons. But we know the Muslim attack is oh so much worst.

The church shooting was not a wacko, his anger got the best of him, anger. Rage. Both of them and different reasons.

No, they're completely separate. No comparison beyond mass murder. The motives are completely distinct and separate.
You're guilty of trying to conflate them due to your own bias and lack of objectivity.

There is objectively no difference between these two killers. Their victims are dead. The survivors and the communities they live in are terrorized. The public is appalled at the violence.

Saying that because one killed for an ideology and the other killed because he’s crazy doesn’t matter to any of their victims. The net result is exactly the same.

And yet some Anericans feel that an idealogical terrorist is worse than a crazy white guy with a gun, and everything possible must be done to stop them despite the fact that there are far fewer idealogical terrorist attacks than there are mass shootings by crazy guys with guns.

Some want to ban Muslim immigration, deport all Muslims, register all Muslims, monitor the mosques. They want “extreme vetting” for all immigrants. It already takes two years to get an entry visa to the US. How much more vetting do you need?

But crazy white guts with guns, well they’re just the price you pay for your 2nd Amendment rights. Why punish all gun owners because of a couple of bad apples? Most gun owners are peaceful law abiding people. So are most Muslims.

There is absolutely no difference except there are a lot more incidents of mass shootings by crazy white guns with guns than there are killings by ISIS sympathizers in the US. Your refusal to acknowledge this or to do any single thing to reduce this carnage is shameful.

 

[irosie91]

Dragon----your problem is that you imagine that you are smart---but you are not. There are very big differences between insanity and Islamic ideology-----you want to deny that fact?

 

[Dragonlady]

Dragon----your problem is that you imagine that you are smart---but you are not. There are very big differences between insanity and Islamic ideology-----you want to deny that fact?

Yes there are differences between insanity and jihadist ideology but if both result in innocents being slaughtered there is absolutely no difference to the victims, their families or their communities.

Both attacks terrorize the victims and the survivors. Do you think it somehow helps the survivors or the communities heal to know that a deranged man with a long history of violence and mental illness, who should never have had access to guns, shot up their church and killed them rather than a member of ISIS? You think that will make it easier to heal.

Dead is dead. It doesn’t matter if your shot by a neighbour or a jihadist, you’re dead. Witnesses are terrorized and communities torn apart.

You ban people from flying because they’re potentially terrorists but you still sell them guns. Does that even make sense to you? No you can’t fly to grandma’s for Thanksgiving because we think you’re a risk to everyone on this plane but here take the money and go buy an AR 15. Enjoy!

Use common sense and logic.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Short attention span after the church shooting , you go right back after the Muslim.

It is possible to have separate discussions, especially regarding separate incidents.
The church shooting is a one-off, an anomaly perpetrated by a whacko.
The Muslim murder is in league with a movement -- 80 million strong -- that has been incessantly committing mass murder for decades.
No comparison in scope.
Separate issues.

No both are the same, both displayed anger and used different weapons. But we know the Muslim attack is oh so much worst.

The church shooting was not a wacko, his anger got the best of him, anger. Rage. Both of them and different reasons.

No, they're completely separate. No comparison beyond mass murder. The motives are completely distinct and separate.
You're guilty of trying to conflate them due to your own bias and lack of objectivity.

There is objectively no difference between these two killers. Their victims are dead. The survivors and the communities they live in are terrorized. The public is appalled at the violence.

Saying that because one killed for an ideology and the other killed because he’s crazy doesn’t matter to any of their victims. The net result is exactly the same.

And yet some Anericans feel that an idealogical terrorist is worse than a crazy white guy with a gun, and everything possible must be done to stop them despite the fact that there are far fewer idealogical terrorist attacks than there are mass shootings by crazy guys with guns.

Some want to ban Muslim immigration, deport all Muslims, register all Muslims, monitor the mosques. They want “extreme vetting” for all immigrants. It already takes two years to get an entry visa to the US. How much more vetting do you need?

But crazy white guts with guns, well they’re just the price you pay for your 2nd Amendment rights. Why punish all gun owners because of a couple of bad apples? Most gun owners are peaceful law abiding people. So are most Muslims.

There is absolutely no difference except there are a lot more incidents of mass shootings by crazy white guns with guns than there are killings by ISIS sympathizers in the US. Your refusal to acknowledge this or to do any single thing to reduce this carnage is shameful.

Death and grief aren't the issue. Death and grief are as affected by mass murderers as they are by car accidents and heart attacks.
The issue is the reasons behind mass murder.
You betray your own bigotry by referring to crazy white guys. The Navy Yard and VaTech weren't white guys.
The issue is about crazy vs a calculating ideological movement.
There aren't 80 million crazy people working in conjunction to commit or aid and abet mass murder. But there are 80 million Muslims sympathetic to or active in Muslim terrorism.

 

[Dragonlady]

Short attention span after the church shooting , you go right back after the Muslim.

It is possible to have separate discussions, especially regarding separate incidents.
The church shooting is a one-off, an anomaly perpetrated by a whacko.
The Muslim murder is in league with a movement -- 80 million strong -- that has been incessantly committing mass murder for decades.
No comparison in scope.
Separate issues.

No both are the same, both displayed anger and used different weapons. But we know the Muslim attack is oh so much worst.

The church shooting was not a wacko, his anger got the best of him, anger. Rage. Both of them and different reasons.

No, they're completely separate. No comparison beyond mass murder. The motives are completely distinct and separate.
You're guilty of trying to conflate them due to your own bias and lack of objectivity.

There is objectively no difference between these two killers. Their victims are dead. The survivors and the communities they live in are terrorized. The public is appalled at the violence.

Saying that because one killed for an ideology and the other killed because he’s crazy doesn’t matter to any of their victims. The net result is exactly the same.

And yet some Anericans feel that an idealogical terrorist is worse than a crazy white guy with a gun, and everything possible must be done to stop them despite the fact that there are far fewer idealogical terrorist attacks than there are mass shootings by crazy guys with guns.

Some want to ban Muslim immigration, deport all Muslims, register all Muslims, monitor the mosques. They want “extreme vetting” for all immigrants. It already takes two years to get an entry visa to the US. How much more vetting do you need?

But crazy white guts with guns, well they’re just the price you pay for your 2nd Amendment rights. Why punish all gun owners because of a couple of bad apples? Most gun owners are peaceful law abiding people. So are most Muslims.

There is absolutely no difference except there are a lot more incidents of mass shootings by crazy white guns with guns than there are killings by ISIS sympathizers in the US. Your refusal to acknowledge this or to do any single thing to reduce this carnage is shameful.

Death and grief aren't the issue. Death and grief are as affected by mass murderers as they are by car accidents and heart attacks.
The issue is the reasons behind mass murder.
You betray your own bigotry by referring to crazy white guys. The Navy Yard and VaTech weren't white guys.
The issue is about crazy vs a calculating ideological movement.
There aren't 80 million crazy people working in conjunction to commit or aid and abet mass murder. But there are 80 million Muslims sympathetic to or active in Muslim terrorism.

Most Muslims are just as peaceful and law abiding as most gun owners. Most Muslims hate ISIS just as much as we do because most of ISIS victims are Muslims. They kill far more Muslims than westerners. And yes the ISIS sympathizers are crazy too. Sane people don’t commit mass murder no matter what ideology they claim.

You can argue that the New York terrorist planned his attack for weeks but the same can be said for the Vegas shooter who spent months meticulously planning his attack. That attack was engineered with all of the cold calculation of the 9/11 attacks. It was designed as urban terrorism even if there was no ideaology behind it.

The Aurora movie theatre shooter, who was under the care of a psychiatrist but organized his assault, gathered weapons and planned his attack for months. Again a very calculated form of urban terrorism.

Most mass shooters are white guys. Not all, but most. The Texas shooter fits the profile to a T. White guy with a long history of mental health problems. Criminal record including spousal abuse and abuse of animals.

The Washington Post ran a piece on how to survive a mass shooting today. What to do and what not to do. They suggested that in addition to fire drills, students at schools should have mass shooting drills because more students are killed in mass shootings than fires now.

Mass shootings are just as much terrorism as attacks by ISIS sympathizers.

 

[theHawk]

• The media began to paint Muslims as the victims of Saipov's attack -- not the dead and the wounded victims of the terrorist.
  
  
• "As a Muslim committed to fighting Islamism, I appeal to you: The need for strong
  New York City Submits to Islam

==========================================================================
Never let a good crisis go to waste you mean you didn't see this coming it's been in plain view. Trendy's won't notice a thing until it hits them personally and even then some are to fkn stupid to fend for their own rights as they suffer from a severe case of stock holm syndrome.

Other people won't care because their attitude is " oh who cares, that's in NY" well news flash if it's happened there it is very highly likely it can happen in your state / city fools.

Short attention span after the church shooting , you go right back after the Muslim.

Christian hating atheists and Christian hating Muslims seem to share the same goal of wanting to destroy Christianity.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

It is possible to have separate discussions, especially regarding separate incidents.
The church shooting is a one-off, an anomaly perpetrated by a whacko.
The Muslim murder is in league with a movement -- 80 million strong -- that has been incessantly committing mass murder for decades.
No comparison in scope.
Separate issues.

No both are the same, both displayed anger and used different weapons. But we know the Muslim attack is oh so much worst.

The church shooting was not a wacko, his anger got the best of him, anger. Rage. Both of them and different reasons.

No, they're completely separate. No comparison beyond mass murder. The motives are completely distinct and separate.
You're guilty of trying to conflate them due to your own bias and lack of objectivity.

There is objectively no difference between these two killers. Their victims are dead. The survivors and the communities they live in are terrorized. The public is appalled at the violence.

Saying that because one killed for an ideology and the other killed because he’s crazy doesn’t matter to any of their victims. The net result is exactly the same.

And yet some Anericans feel that an idealogical terrorist is worse than a crazy white guy with a gun, and everything possible must be done to stop them despite the fact that there are far fewer idealogical terrorist attacks than there are mass shootings by crazy guys with guns.

Some want to ban Muslim immigration, deport all Muslims, register all Muslims, monitor the mosques. They want “extreme vetting” for all immigrants. It already takes two years to get an entry visa to the US. How much more vetting do you need?

But crazy white guts with guns, well they’re just the price you pay for your 2nd Amendment rights. Why punish all gun owners because of a couple of bad apples? Most gun owners are peaceful law abiding people. So are most Muslims.

There is absolutely no difference except there are a lot more incidents of mass shootings by crazy white guns with guns than there are killings by ISIS sympathizers in the US. Your refusal to acknowledge this or to do any single thing to reduce this carnage is shameful.

Death and grief aren't the issue. Death and grief are as affected by mass murderers as they are by car accidents and heart attacks.
The issue is the reasons behind mass murder.
You betray your own bigotry by referring to crazy white guys. The Navy Yard and VaTech weren't white guys.
The issue is about crazy vs a calculating ideological movement.
There aren't 80 million crazy people working in conjunction to commit or aid and abet mass murder. But there are 80 million Muslims sympathetic to or active in Muslim terrorism.

Most Muslims are just as peaceful and law abiding as most gun owners. Most Muslims hate ISIS just as much as we do because most of ISIS victims are Muslims. They kill far more Muslims than westerners. And yes the ISIS sympathizers are crazy too. Sane people don’t commit mass murder no matter what ideology they claim.

You can argue that the New York terrorist planned his attack for weeks but the same can be said for the Vegas shooter who spent months meticulously planning his attack. That attack was engineered with all of the cold calculation of the 9/11 attacks. It was designed as urban terrorism even if there was no ideaology behind it.

The Aurora movie theatre shooter, who was under the care of a psychiatrist but organized his assault, gathered weapons and planned his attack for months. Again a very calculated form of urban terrorism.

Most mass shooters are white guys. Not all, but most. The Texas shooter fits the profile to a T. White guy with a long history of mental health problems. Criminal record including spousal abuse and abuse of animals.

The Washington Post ran a piece on how to survive a mass shooting today. What to do and what not to do. They suggested that in addition to fire drills, students at schools should have mass shooting drills because more students are killed in mass shootings than fires now.

Mass shootings are just as much terrorism as attacks by ISIS sympathizers.

You're still trying to compare completely different things.
Muslim terrorism is a movement and an ideology. Mass murders commited by disturbed individuals are individual.