New Tesla cars a disaster!

[polarbear]

Well.....according to Business Insider Magazine.

Some new Tesla cars are being delivered with flaws, and owners say getting them fixed is a painful process

Crappy service and quality issues with the Model 3.....waaaaay below industry standards! First pass yield at 14%. Industry average is 80%. Reports of abusive workplace environment and bogus sales figures!

According to today's New York Post that carried a full spread story, "Insiders at Tesla say it's a shit show!"

Hmmmm.....but the climate crusaders come in here and tell us all the time that things are just swell at Tesla!!!

Teslas are a rip off and the entire electric car industry is an environmentalist's joke. Anyone who buys a car you need to plug in and recharge every 200 miles or use (if you can find a plug), is an idiot. Between the batteries and the impact of CREATING the electricity, they are no better, maybe worse than a gas car. Just kinda cool because they are quiet and have almost instantaneous power. So quiet, they need to have "noise" added so people know you are coming.

Just the other day on the Discovery channel, I was watching World's Best, and they showed a dragster that was electric. Damn thing was the fastest thing on the track. And, while you could hear the wheels burning rubber, that was about it. None of the loud gas noises, but the damn thing was down the track like a lightning bolt (yes, pun was intended).

Sure. Internal combustion, even a wankel rotary, can never have the efficiency / low losses of an electric motor. One moving part. No contact (except bearings). The electric car will come into its own when the electricity can finally (and affordably) be generated by a fuel cell with its only waste product being water.

A fuel cell "with its only waste product being water." can only do that if it is using hydrogen....and hydrogen is not exactly a cheap fuel or as easy to handle as petroleum fuels.
"The electric car will come into its own when".....the answer is whenever they actually can produce the super batteries they keep saying we will have in x- years from now and the "x " year is always in the "near future".
The EMV industry knew from the start that you need something close to this super battery pie in the sky and had x+x+x... years to produce it. With our climate supposedly heading for the "tipping point" you would expect they would have made this "super battery" a top priority rather than engineering special edition EMV`s for publicity stunts like winning a meaningless drag race.

Well, as a retired electronics engineer, let me say this:

I never said the hydrogen fuel cell was cheap. That's the problem. If they can make it cost effective, now we have a party. Bring those electric cars on! Eliminate the battery storage problem and you basically have 4 electric motors and some seats---- a very cheap (and ideal) car to make.

The problem with "super batteries" is that the more "super" they are (the higher the storage density), the better a "bomb" they make-- -- in other words, explosive potential to release all that stored power at once. And beyond that, they add a lot of dead weight and become an environmental nightmare. Do you know that one of the things that goes into making a lithium ion battery is a chemical also used in the production of certain nerve gas agents? Personally, I don't like the idea of riding around sitting on a ton of batteries (and yes, I know all the ways they are working to develop making them safer). Battery disposal and recycling is a HUGE downer.

I totally agree with what you were saying and only tried to highlight some of the glaring errors made by EMV promoters and anti- combustion engine/global warming "prevention" schemes.
Consider a scenario where petro-fuelled cars are no longer allowed on American roads.
Passenger vehicles in the United States - Wikipedia
Overall, there were an estimated 263.6 million registered vehicles in the United States in 2015, most of which were passenger vehicles.
Hard to say how many hp these have on average, but assuming it`s only 120 hp would not be on the high side.
Of which they very likely use only 1/2 the power in city traffic and frequent stop&go...but where I am when the light turns green it`s a pedal to the metal drag race to position yourself in a faster moving lane. On the highway it also takes at least that much power to cruise at the posted speed limit.
Now you have to hope that on a 24 hour average only ~ 10% of all these cars (now EMVs) are on the road, because....if you can take wikipedia by their word:
Electricity sector of the United States - Wikipedia
In 2016 the total installed electricity generation summer capacity: in the United States was 1,074 Gigawatts(GW),
And that means there would be no power left for anybody else unless the US can at least double its electricity generation.

Be certain of one thing: in an all (or mostly) electric car nation, suddenly the demand (and reliance/dependence) on electricity would be the excuse power companies need to jack the cost of electricity through the roof! Not just cars but powering homes. Power companies cannot meet demand as it is. It is NEVER a good idea to put all your eggs in a single basket.

Oh for sure. Most consumers are not even aware that power companies get paid for apparent power not actual power. No big deal if their household would not have any inductive/reactive loads. Then and only then would the actual power that was consumed match the meter which registers Volts x amps.

If you plug in an EMV into a 115 Vac plug to charge the batteries even though the on board charge controller is not a transformer&rectifier system it might as well be. Because the solid state charge controller waits for the phase angle where the instantaneous voltage has dropped to the maximum allowable charging voltage and amps....meaning you still pay for apparent power S while the battery only got P real power.
Tesla does not disclose the power factors for the charging system they install and you have to dig into what Tesla uploads to the systems it has installed in people`s homes:
“battery” : { “last_communication_time” : “2017-08-06T11:49:13.111260463Z”, “instant_power” : 570.0000000000001, “instant_reactive_power” : 120, “instant_apparent_power” : 582.4946351684281, “frequency” : 50.062 “instant_average_voltage” : 242.4, “instant_total_current”
And that battery was obviously already fully charged, because only 15 milliseconds later:
“2017-08-06T11:49:13.126421671Z”, “instant_power” : 5.53000020980835, “instant_reactive_power” : 16.540000915527344, “instant_apparent_power” : 17.439969398084553 “instant_average_voltage” : 242.16000366210938,

 

[toobfreak]

Well.....according to Business Insider Magazine.

Some new Tesla cars are being delivered with flaws, and owners say getting them fixed is a painful process

Crappy service and quality issues with the Model 3.....waaaaay below industry standards! First pass yield at 14%. Industry average is 80%. Reports of abusive workplace environment and bogus sales figures!

According to today's New York Post that carried a full spread story, "Insiders at Tesla say it's a shit show!"

Hmmmm.....but the climate crusaders come in here and tell us all the time that things are just swell at Tesla!!!

Teslas are a rip off and the entire electric car industry is an environmentalist's joke. Anyone who buys a car you need to plug in and recharge every 200 miles or use (if you can find a plug), is an idiot. Between the batteries and the impact of CREATING the electricity, they are no better, maybe worse than a gas car. Just kinda cool because they are quiet and have almost instantaneous power. So quiet, they need to have "noise" added so people know you are coming.

Sure. Internal combustion, even a wankel rotary, can never have the efficiency / low losses of an electric motor. One moving part. No contact (except bearings). The electric car will come into its own when the electricity can finally (and affordably) be generated by a fuel cell with its only waste product being water.

A fuel cell "with its only waste product being water." can only do that if it is using hydrogen....and hydrogen is not exactly a cheap fuel or as easy to handle as petroleum fuels.
"The electric car will come into its own when".....the answer is whenever they actually can produce the super batteries they keep saying we will have in x- years from now and the "x " year is always in the "near future".
The EMV industry knew from the start that you need something close to this super battery pie in the sky and had x+x+x... years to produce it. With our climate supposedly heading for the "tipping point" you would expect they would have made this "super battery" a top priority rather than engineering special edition EMV`s for publicity stunts like winning a meaningless drag race.

Well, as a retired electronics engineer, let me say this:

I never said the hydrogen fuel cell was cheap. That's the problem. If they can make it cost effective, now we have a party. Bring those electric cars on! Eliminate the battery storage problem and you basically have 4 electric motors and some seats---- a very cheap (and ideal) car to make.

The problem with "super batteries" is that the more "super" they are (the higher the storage density), the better a "bomb" they make-- -- in other words, explosive potential to release all that stored power at once. And beyond that, they add a lot of dead weight and become an environmental nightmare. Do you know that one of the things that goes into making a lithium ion battery is a chemical also used in the production of certain nerve gas agents? Personally, I don't like the idea of riding around sitting on a ton of batteries (and yes, I know all the ways they are working to develop making them safer). Battery disposal and recycling is a HUGE downer.

I totally agree with what you were saying and only tried to highlight some of the glaring errors made by EMV promoters and anti- combustion engine/global warming "prevention" schemes.
Consider a scenario where petro-fuelled cars are no longer allowed on American roads.
Passenger vehicles in the United States - Wikipedia
Overall, there were an estimated 263.6 million registered vehicles in the United States in 2015, most of which were passenger vehicles.
Hard to say how many hp these have on average, but assuming it`s only 120 hp would not be on the high side.
Of which they very likely use only 1/2 the power in city traffic and frequent stop&go...but where I am when the light turns green it`s a pedal to the metal drag race to position yourself in a faster moving lane. On the highway it also takes at least that much power to cruise at the posted speed limit.
Now you have to hope that on a 24 hour average only ~ 10% of all these cars (now EMVs) are on the road, because....if you can take wikipedia by their word:
Electricity sector of the United States - Wikipedia
In 2016 the total installed electricity generation summer capacity: in the United States was 1,074 Gigawatts(GW),
And that means there would be no power left for anybody else unless the US can at least double its electricity generation.

Be certain of one thing: in an all (or mostly) electric car nation, suddenly the demand (and reliance/dependence) on electricity would be the excuse power companies need to jack the cost of electricity through the roof! Not just cars but powering homes. Power companies cannot meet demand as it is. It is NEVER a good idea to put all your eggs in a single basket.

Oh for sure. Most consumers are not even aware that power companies get paid for apparent power not actual power. No big deal if their household would not have any inductive/reactive loads. Then and only then would the actual power that was consumed match the meter which registers Volts x amps.

If you plug in an EMV into a 115 Vac plug to charge the batteries even though the on board charge controller is not a transformer&rectifier system it might as well be. Because the solid state charge controller waits for the phase angle where the instantaneous voltage has dropped to the maximum allowable charging voltage and amps....meaning you still pay for apparent power S while the battery only got P real power.
Tesla does not disclose the power factors for the charging system they install and you have to dig into what Tesla uploads to the systems it has installed in people`s homes:
“battery” : { “last_communication_time” : “2017-08-06T11:49:13.111260463Z”, “instant_power” : 570.0000000000001, “instant_reactive_power” : 120, “instant_apparent_power” : 582.4946351684281, “frequency” : 50.062 “instant_average_voltage” : 242.4, “instant_total_current”
And that battery was obviously already fully charged, because only 15 milliseconds later:
“2017-08-06T11:49:13.126421671Z”, “instant_power” : 5.53000020980835, “instant_reactive_power” : 16.540000915527344, “instant_apparent_power” : 17.439969398084553 “instant_average_voltage” : 242.16000366210938,

Put simply for the average reader, it is known as PHASE ANGLE. Capacitive or inductive loads (reactance) skews the AC load away from being purely resistive (DC load). Average home owner doesn't need to worry about it too much unless you use a lot of MOTORS, and heavy industry employs devices called PHASE CORRECTORS or COMPENSATORS to swing the phase angle back to zero (current and voltage swings are both time aligned) to be sure they pay the lowest bill.

Technically, since according to Norton's Theorem, all power into a house equals power returned, you don't actually CONSUME any power! (except for a few small losses). Therefore electricity ought to be free.

 

[westwall]

Well.....according to Business Insider Magazine.

Some new Tesla cars are being delivered with flaws, and owners say getting them fixed is a painful process

Crappy service and quality issues with the Model 3.....waaaaay below industry standards! First pass yield at 14%. Industry average is 80%. Reports of abusive workplace environment and bogus sales figures!

According to today's New York Post that carried a full spread story, "Insiders at Tesla say it's a shit show!"

Hmmmm.....but the climate crusaders come in here and tell us all the time that things are just swell at Tesla!!!

Teslas are a rip off and the entire electric car industry is an environmentalist's joke. Anyone who buys a car you need to plug in and recharge every 200 miles or use (if you can find a plug), is an idiot. Between the batteries and the impact of CREATING the electricity, they are no better, maybe worse than a gas car. Just kinda cool because they are quiet and have almost instantaneous power. So quiet, they need to have "noise" added so people know you are coming.

Just the other day on the Discovery channel, I was watching World's Best, and they showed a dragster that was electric. Damn thing was the fastest thing on the track. And, while you could hear the wheels burning rubber, that was about it. None of the loud gas noises, but the damn thing was down the track like a lightning bolt (yes, pun was intended).

Yes, on a short dragstrip EV's can do very well. But lets take a look at a Formula One race vs a Formula E race. The Formula One cars race the entire distance (305 km) on a single tank of gas. This is at full race speeds. Formula E on the other hand, only races 85 km to 105 km (depending on various factors) and to go that paltry distance they have to use TWO CARS! Yup, you read that correctly, they go half the distance, then jump out of the dead car, run to the 2nd car, and then take off again. It's the most retarded thing I have ever seen.

Add to that the Formula E top speed is currently 140 mph with 240 horsepower equivalent, and the Formula One car has a top speed of 216 (as of 2018) with a horsepower rating of between 850-950 and the top teams are approaching (and at least one has surpassed) 50% thermal efficiency. That is FAR beyond what the Formula E cars are even capable of dreaming of.

So, in the real world of racing longer distances, EV's are quite simply....shit.

 

[westwall]

A lot of delusion here.

Tesla model S is a great car. People ASPIRE to purchase and own one. Owners pay near nothing in fuel and maintenance costs, and enjoy near-Ferrari level performance. Model S sedans are used in Europe as taxis, with minimal problems. So you can't drive cross country in four days. So what? Not something I normally do. Essentially ALL Tesla owners have multiple vehicles and would simply drive another one if a long trip is envisioned.

Other Tesla models are experiencing normal startup issues, but still offer class - leading specs. In fact, all of the major manufacturers in the world have e - vehicles in the pipeline, and their hoped - for specs STILL don't match Tesla. Got that? Even if you believe their marketing hype for FUTURE models, they can't match what Tesla has been producing for 6 YEARS!

The perverse trend to cast Tesla as a failing company is both bizarre and pathetic. Any other manufacturer would sell its figurative soul to have the Model 3's waiting list.

Ummm, you're wrong. Porsche for one has a new EV that will blow tesla right out of the water. And that's the problem that tesla is going to have. They are not a car company. if they were they would have folded years ago. Instead, they keep the ponzi scheme going and keep milking their investors, all while ripping off the American taxpayer to keep themselves afloat.

That time is soon going to end.

"Porsche's first fully electric electric production car, the Mission E, will be offered in three power levels, Britain's CAR magazine has learned. The fully electric sedan, due on sale in 2019, will likely be offered in Carrera, Carrera S and Turbo flavors, reflecting a performance ladder familiar to Porsche buyers rather than the presence of turbochargers.

CAR reports that the base Carrera version will be tuned to 300 kW (402 hp), while the middle Carrera S version will produce 400 kW (536 hp). The range-topping Turbo trim, meanwhile, will churn out 500 kW (670 hp). All three will feature all-wheel drive and will be able to cover about 300 miles on a full charge, even though a front-wheel-drive version is also expected to be in the works for a later debut from the rest of the pack. The Mission E sedans will have two-speed transmissions -- basically an in-town gear and a highway gear -- and are expected to offer 0-60-mph sprint times of 3.5 seconds, as well as top speeds limited to 155 mph.

Speaking of debuts, the base 402-hp Mission E is expected to have a base price of $75,000 when it goes on sale in 2019."


Porsche's electric Mission E Tesla fighter will be offered in three power levels



Or how about Mercedes?

"Mercedes-Benz will unveil the finished EQC in September, and it arrives in dealerships next year. A price point of about $80,000 will put it in direct competition with the Jaguar I-Pace and the upcoming Audi e-tron, as well as the entry-level Tesla Model X.

Besides the EQC, Mercedes-Benz is launching a GLC hybrid with a hydrogen fuel cell, and that’s in addition to the GLC with conventional gasoline engines, the Europe-market GLC diesel, and the plug-in gasoline-hybrid GLC350e. As Mercedes readies its new EV, it’s clearly also preparing for various powertrain scenarios, electric or not."

2020 Mercedes-Benz EQC: We Ride in Mercedes-Benz’s New EV Crossover | Review | Car and Driver

 

[skookerasbil]

Wow....was never aware of the whole storage capacity "bomb" potential. So basically, at some point, the capacity makes these cars aero C4 on wheels? Imagine that headline.....ROLLING IED TAKES OUT CITY BLOCK....that'd sure sick for business!

Here's what the progressives dont quote get with electric vehicles....

They automatically assume the culture wants to jettison traditional vehicles and go with new technology AND never factor in costs as a consideration. These are the main reasons sales of EV's continue to be laughable. Most people look at the Model S as a more aero Nissan Altima in terms of style and at an astronomical price and you dont know you"ll make it to the next town much less the next state!! Most Americans are busy as shit....the trade off isnt ar all worth it. Not practical. Who the fuck wants to go on summer vacation and get one hour away from home and have to pull over and sweat your balls off for an hour while your car charges? I mean....c'mon now....most folks are not going to go with all the associated headaches and especially at wallet wrecking prices. Duh.....no accident sales of EV's have grown a whopping 1% in the past 5 years. Yet the progressive bubble dwellers continue to talk about these things as if folks are knocking down walls to get to the showrooms!

 

[Pilot1]

Electric vehicles are not the answer, at least not yet. Also, that electricity needs to be generated by fossil fuels for the most part, so………….

 

[Sunsettommy]

Wow....was never aware of the whole storage capacity "bomb" potential. So basically, at some point, the capacity makes these cars aero C4 on wheels? Imagine that headline.....ROLLING IED TAKES OUT CITY BLOCK....that'd sure sick for business!

Here's what the progressives dont quote get with electric vehicles....

They automatically assume the culture wants to jettison traditional vehicles and go with new technology AND never factor in costs as a consideration. These are the main reasons sales of EV's continue to be laughable. Most people look at the Model S as a more aero Nissan Altima in terms of style and at an astronomical price and you dont know you"ll make it to the next town much less the next state!! Most Americans are busy as shit....the trade off isnt ar all worth it. Not practical. Who the fuck wants to go on summer vacation and get one hour away from home and have to pull over and sweat your balls off for an hour while your car charges? I mean....c'mon now....most folks are not going to go with all the associated headaches and especially at wallet wrecking prices. Duh.....no accident sales of EV's have grown a whopping 1% in the past 5 years. Yet the progressive bubble dwellers continue to talk about these things as if folks are knocking down walls to get to the showrooms!

The only possible usefulness of EV;s is to use them IN TOWN where they can maintain their range, otherwise a total waste of money buying one. I suspect that over time they will occupy a market where such cars are built for in town use ONLY to throw away the alleged 300 mile range for greater heating or cooling comfort in its place, since they don't need more than a 75 mile range they become practical.

 

[toobfreak]

A lot of delusion here. Owners pay near nothing in fuel and maintenance costs,

How do Tesla owners pay less for the electricity to recharge their cars than any other electric car user?

So you can't drive cross country in four days. So what? Not something I normally do. Essentially ALL Tesla owners have multiple vehicles and would simply drive another one if a long trip is envisioned.

My old job, I drove 30 miles each way. So every 3 days I would have driven 180 miles. That means I'm recharging at least twice a week assuming I do no other driving. During recharge, the car is not available for use. Now, this is not exclusive to Teslas, but that means you have to plan your activity around your car's needs and must plan to end up near a recharging station when your car runs out of juice.

If I run out of gas on the highway, I can bring some to the car. If I run out of electricity on the highway, I can't bring electricity to the car.

When those batteries wear out, they are rather costly to replace. Most gas cars have nominal maintenance costs for many years when new (I don't consider changing my oil to be a big issue). Electric cars remain for the most part either very expensive and/or very compact. I don't want to take a trip or travel a lot in a compact car and what you are basically saying is that electric cars are still a toy of the rich-- -- a car to use around town except when you REALLY need a car, then its time to drag out the supplemental, emergency backup gasoline car you can really rely on.

All these problems would be eliminated with fuel cell technology.

 

[polarbear]

Wow....was never aware of the whole storage capacity "bomb" potential. So basically, at some point, the capacity makes these cars aero C4 on wheels? Imagine that headline.....ROLLING IED TAKES OUT CITY BLOCK....that'd sure sick for business!

Here's what the progressives dont quote get with electric vehicles....

They automatically assume the culture wants to jettison traditional vehicles and go with new technology AND never factor in costs as a consideration. These are the main reasons sales of EV's continue to be laughable. Most people look at the Model S as a more aero Nissan Altima in terms of style and at an astronomical price and you dont know you"ll make it to the next town much less the next state!! Most Americans are busy as shit....the trade off isnt ar all worth it. Not practical. Who the fuck wants to go on summer vacation and get one hour away from home and have to pull over and sweat your balls off for an hour while your car charges? I mean....c'mon now....most folks are not going to go with all the associated headaches and especially at wallet wrecking prices. Duh.....no accident sales of EV's have grown a whopping 1% in the past 5 years. Yet the progressive bubble dwellers continue to talk about these things as if folks are knocking down walls to get to the showrooms!

Not many of the EV enthusiasts are aware that large capacity Lithium batteries consist of thousands of individual batteries. A Tesla uses 15 modules and each module consists of 444 batteries. If one of them is defective it can foul up the entire batch. That`s why they have to check each individual battery in a power plant to prevent fires.

All it takes is for one little battery to overheat, swell and crack open to cook the other batteries around it.
Temperature control is therefore a high priority and that requires a significant amount of AC cooling:

Which affects the so called Round Trip Efficiency for a charge & discharge cycle.
For one single cycle that efficiency drops to 42% as measured at the Harrowgate Hill 106 KwH EES3.
Looking at Tesla pictures I can`t even find as much as a simple heatsink for their battery compartment below the floor board and it seems they solely rely on forced convective cooling being sufficient as long as the car is in motion to do the job. Neither does Tesla monitor individual batteries in each module. Former Tesla workers came forward and said Tesla does not even check all the batteries when they install them in their cars.

 

[skookerasbil]

Dang....learned alot today about significant shortcomings of EV's. What a ruse though given the lack of popularity that already exists, the future looks rather bleak. And I'm laughing......just 5 years ago, Old Rocks was saying the EV would be dominating the market by 2020!!

Indeed, history will look back in this era and get quite a laugh.

 

[mamooth]

Meanwhile, the cold calculating hedge fund managers still think Tesla is worth a shitload of money.

If you kooks are so confident they're wrong, why don't you short Tesla stock? You know, back up your BS with action, instead of just increasing the volume of your whining.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Meanwhile, the cold calculating hedge fund managers still think Tesla is worth a shitload of money.

If you kooks are so confident they're wrong, why don't you short Tesla stock? You know, back up your BS with action, instead of just increasing the volume of your whining.

You didn't answer post 1 or any of the detailed evidence in other comments that shows Tesla is in trouble.

Since you don't have anything to counter with, you are the one looking silly here.

Snicker...…...

 

[mamooth]

You didn't answer post 1 or any of the detailed evidence in other comments that shows Tesla is in trouble.

That's because nobody has given any evidence that Tesla is in trouble. You all just made such wild claims without backing them up. That makes you look silly and kind of brainwashed. Your cult has told you to hate a company for rather inexplicable reasons, so you're obeying.

So, why do you think that Wall Street and the hedge fund managers all value Tesla so highly? Are they all dupes, who lack the brilliance and insight that you possess?

Why don't you set them straight? You could really humiliate them by shorting Tesla and making gobs of cash. Sure thing, right? So why aren't you doing it?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

You didn't answer post 1 or any of the detailed evidence in other comments that shows Tesla is in trouble.

That's because nobody has given any evidence that Tesla is in trouble. You all just made such wild claims without backing them up. That makes you look silly and kind of brainwashed. Your cult has told you to hate a company for rather inexplicable reasons, so you're obeying.

So, why do you think that Wall Street and the hedge fund managers all value Tesla so highly? Are they all dupes, who lack the brilliance and insight that you possess?

Why don't you set them straight? You could really humiliate them by shorting Tesla and making gobs of cash. Sure thing, right? So why aren't you doing it?

As usual you don't have the first clue...Wall St has grown weary of Musk's BS

How much trouble is Elon Musk in?

 

[mamooth]

Over the past year, Tesla stock price has dropped about 5%. There was a dip after Musk said his stupid thing, then it mostly recovered. Wall Street still assigns it high value.

Maybe it's overvalued. But claiming it's going to fold soon is delusional.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Meanwhile, the cold calculating hedge fund managers still think Tesla is worth a shitload of money.

If you kooks are so confident they're wrong, why don't you short Tesla stock? You know, back up your BS with action, instead of just increasing the volume of your whining.

Well what a pile of shit you are flinging since they had a HUGE drop at the stock market not long ago, since then their stock value has declined in recent weeks.

Tesla May Have More Production Problems

"One of the biggest reasons Tesla Inc (Nasdaq: TSLA) stock is down 15.9 percent in the past three months is the company's inability to hit its Model 3 production target of 5,000 vehicles per week. Tesla said in early May that it still expects to reach that 5,000 per-week rate by the end of June, but Needham analyst Rajvindra Gill now projects that Tesla won't hit that target until sometime in the second quarter of 2019.

Tesla originally said it would produce Model 3s at a rate of 5,000 per week by the end of 2017. That target was then bumped to the end of the first quarter and then again to the end of the second quarter. Tesla has blamed production bottlenecks for its inability to hit its targets, and Gill says those production issues are far from resolved.

"Our comprehensive checks on Model 3 production point to manufacturing problems, particularly at the battery cell level, module assembly and factory automation lines," he says."

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Over the past year, Tesla stock price has dropped about 5%. There was a dip after Musk said his stupid thing, then it mostly recovered. Wall Street still assigns it high value.

Maybe it's overvalued. But claiming it's going to fold soon is delusional.

They keep turning out 76 out of each 100 cars produced with faults and missing production goals they're finished

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Meanwhile, the cold calculating hedge fund managers still think Tesla is worth a shitload of money.

If you kooks are so confident they're wrong, why don't you short Tesla stock? You know, back up your BS with action, instead of just increasing the volume of your whining.

Well what a pile of shit you are flinging since they had a HUGE drop at the stock market not long ago, since then their stock value has declined in recent weeks.

Tesla May Have More Production Problems

"One of the biggest reasons Tesla Inc (Nasdaq: TSLA) stock is down 15.9 percent in the past three months is the company's inability to hit its Model 3 production target of 5,000 vehicles per week. Tesla said in early May that it still expects to reach that 5,000 per-week rate by the end of June, but Needham analyst Rajvindra Gill now projects that Tesla won't hit that target until sometime in the second quarter of 2019.

Tesla originally said it would produce Model 3s at a rate of 5,000 per week by the end of 2017. That target was then bumped to the end of the first quarter and then again to the end of the second quarter. Tesla has blamed production bottlenecks for its inability to hit its targets, and Gill says those production issues are far from resolved.

"Our comprehensive checks on Model 3 production point to manufacturing problems, particularly at the battery cell level, module assembly and factory automation lines," he says."

15.9% isn't chicken feed

 

[Sunsettommy]

Over the past year, Tesla stock price has dropped about 5%. There was a dip after Musk said his stupid thing, then it mostly recovered. Wall Street still assigns it high value.

Maybe it's overvalued. But claiming it's going to fold soon is delusional.

When are you going to read the link in post 34 ?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

A lot of delusion here.

Tesla model S is a great car. People ASPIRE to purchase and own one. Owners pay near nothing in fuel and maintenance costs, and enjoy near-Ferrari level performance. Model S sedans are used in Europe as taxis, with minimal problems. So you can't drive cross country in four days. So what? Not something I normally do. Essentially ALL Tesla owners have multiple vehicles and would simply drive another one if a long trip is envisioned.

Other Tesla models are experiencing normal startup issues, but still offer class - leading specs. In fact, all of the major manufacturers in the world have e - vehicles in the pipeline, and their hoped - for specs STILL don't match Tesla. Got that? Even if you believe their marketing hype for FUTURE models, they can't match what Tesla has been producing for 6 YEARS!

The perverse trend to cast Tesla as a failing company is both bizarre and pathetic. Any other manufacturer would sell its figurative soul to have the Model 3's waiting list.

Ummm, you're wrong. Porsche for one has a new EV that will blow tesla right out of the water. And that's the problem that tesla is going to have. They are not a car company. if they were they would have folded years ago. Instead, they keep the ponzi scheme going and keep milking their investors, all while ripping off the American taxpayer to keep themselves afloat.

That time is soon going to end.

"Porsche's first fully electric electric production car, the Mission E, will be offered in three power levels, Britain's CAR magazine has learned. The fully electric sedan, due on sale in 2019, will likely be offered in Carrera, Carrera S and Turbo flavors, reflecting a performance ladder familiar to Porsche buyers rather than the presence of turbochargers.

CAR reports that the base Carrera version will be tuned to 300 kW (402 hp), while the middle Carrera S version will produce 400 kW (536 hp). The range-topping Turbo trim, meanwhile, will churn out 500 kW (670 hp). All three will feature all-wheel drive and will be able to cover about 300 miles on a full charge, even though a front-wheel-drive version is also expected to be in the works for a later debut from the rest of the pack. The Mission E sedans will have two-speed transmissions -- basically an in-town gear and a highway gear -- and are expected to offer 0-60-mph sprint times of 3.5 seconds, as well as top speeds limited to 155 mph.

Speaking of debuts, the base 402-hp Mission E is expected to have a base price of $75,000 when it goes on sale in 2019."


Porsche's electric Mission E Tesla fighter will be offered in three power levels



Or how about Mercedes?

"Mercedes-Benz will unveil the finished EQC in September, and it arrives in dealerships next year. A price point of about $80,000 will put it in direct competition with the Jaguar I-Pace and the upcoming Audi e-tron, as well as the entry-level Tesla Model X.

Besides the EQC, Mercedes-Benz is launching a GLC hybrid with a hydrogen fuel cell, and that’s in addition to the GLC with conventional gasoline engines, the Europe-market GLC diesel, and the plug-in gasoline-hybrid GLC350e. As Mercedes readies its new EV, it’s clearly also preparing for various powertrain scenarios, electric or not."

2020 Mercedes-Benz EQC: We Ride in Mercedes-Benz’s New EV Crossover | Review | Car and Driver

Hmmmm a Porsche or a Tesla....thinking...thinking some more....PORSCHE!!!!!!