New Civil Rights Issue: "Alcoholic Americans" & "The Right to Drive"...

Silhouette

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There is no part of the Constitution with special rights for gay sexual behaviors (no such thing as "gay Americans" anymore than there are "alcholic Americans" as a class) to marry. Behaviors don't get special unwritten protections in the Constitution. When behaviors are protected, they are specified. No such specification exists for homosexuality in the Constitution. There is though quite a bit in the Constitution about another behavior: drinking alcohol.

Like a vehicle to transport ones children from one place to another, marriage is the "vehicle" to transport children from infancy into a well-rounded social preparation for the adult "destination". With driving a car, others share the road. And this is why drivers' licenses are required in all states under certain specific conditions and qualifiers. Likewise, children can't be placed in any "vehicle" where the driver is unqualified to drive and their well being might be jeopardized. Marriage licenses are required in all states and one wonders why now that Obergefell was heard. "Gay Americans" aren't the only ones with a sexual fetish the majority finds repugnant. And since we know via the 14th Amendment that you can't play favorites, Obergefell de facto issued in a "come one, come all" mandate to marriage licensing in every state. Discrimination against polygamy as to marriage is equally as "unconstitutional" as it is for homosexuals.

You can decriminalize people getting drunk. You just can't take the legal leap from there and say "drunk Americans have the right to drive like everyone else!". Gays cannot provide both a mother and father to children: implicit partners in the marriage contract "road". Therefore, gays guarantee a psychological "car wreck" to the other parties on the road or in the car: the most important ones as it turns out..children. Instead of asking states to scrape up more children off of the wreckage from the highway, we need to realize the damage done to children by not assuring their safety: PRINCE'S TRUST 2010 YOUTH INDEX SURVEY

And, New York vs Ferber (1982) says that even if homosexuality had explicit written protections in the Constitution (which it doesn't, but for argument's sake...) to marry, if such a union results in harm to children either physically or mentally (by stripping children of either a mother or father for life) that "right" is no longer protected.. Are States Legally Obligated to Defy Obergefell (2015)? Silhouette vs the 50 States. Just as the union of a person with too much alcohol in their blood has the potential to strip children of the mental tools needed to not be wreckage victims through their adult lives. New York vs Ferber Found that even if an adult has a delineated and undisputed Constitutionally-protected right, that right may not be exercised if it results in physical or mental harm to children.

States' first and foremost duty is to protect children. Secondarily they look to protect delineated adult Constitutional rights. States have to ask themselves, "in protecting gay marriage are we inadvertently harming the children we expect to be involved?" If the answer is "yes", the states don't have the luxury of fiddling around. They are mandated to act swiftly to protect children. (See previous link for those legal mandates upon states).

Taking the comparison of behaviors as "(fill in the blank) Americans"...& Obergefell to its natural conclusion...In fact, the right to drink to any excess one likes is even protected by a Constitutional Amendment, no less. So, states had better be prepared for a mandate to issue drivers' licenses to ALL Americans and not just some! Nevermind who else is involved! Anything less would be discrimination, and bigoted...coming from "haters"...
 
Driving is a privilege, not a right.

Nobody but you and small handful of fools believe your cockamamie bullshit.
 
Driving is a privilege, not a right.

Nobody but you and small handful of fools believe your cockamamie bullshit.
If marriage is not a privilege but instead a right available to all without qualifiers that the states regulate, then I'll put in a call to the Brown polygamy family in Nevada. They'll be thrilled to know that they can now be legally married all to one another in any state of their choosing.
 
There is no part of the Constitution with special rights for gay sexual behaviors (no such thing as "gay Americans" anymore than there are "alcholic Americans" as a class) to marry. Behaviors don't get special unwritten protections in the Constitution. When behaviors are protected, they are specified. No such specification exists for homosexuality in the Constitution. There is though quite a bit in the Constitution about another behavior: drinking alcohol.

Like a vehicle to transport ones children from one place to another, marriage is the "vehicle" to transport children from infancy into a well-rounded social preparation for the adult "destination". With driving a car, others share the road. And this is why drivers' licenses are required in all states under certain specific conditions and qualifiers. Likewise, children can't be placed in any "vehicle" where the driver is unqualified to drive and their well being might be jeopardized. Marriage licenses are required in all states and one wonders why now that Obergefell was heard. "Gay Americans" aren't the only ones with a sexual fetish the majority finds repugnant. And since we know via the 14th Amendment that you can't play favorites, Obergefell de facto issued in a "come one, come all" mandate to marriage licensing in every state. Discrimination against polygamy as to marriage is equally as "unconstitutional" as it is for homosexuals.

You can decriminalize people getting drunk. You just can't take the legal leap from there and say "drunk Americans have the right to drive like everyone else!". Gays cannot provide both a mother and father to children: implicit partners in the marriage contract "road". Therefore, gays guarantee a psychological "car wreck" to the other parties on the road or in the car: the most important ones as it turns out..children. Instead of asking states to scrape up more children off of the wreckage from the highway, we need to realize the damage done to children by not assuring their safety: PRINCE'S TRUST 2010 YOUTH INDEX SURVEY

And, New York vs Ferber (1982) says that even if homosexuality had explicit written protections in the Constitution (which it doesn't, but for argument's sake...) to marry, if such a union results in harm to children either physically or mentally (by stripping children of either a mother or father for life) that "right" is no longer protected.. Are States Legally Obligated to Defy Obergefell (2015)? Silhouette vs the 50 States. Just as the union of a person with too much alcohol in their blood has the potential to strip children of the mental tools needed to not be wreckage victims through their adult lives. New York vs Ferber Found that even if an adult has a delineated and undisputed Constitutionally-protected right, that right may not be exercised if it results in physical or mental harm to children.

States' first and foremost duty is to protect children. Secondarily they look to protect delineated adult Constitutional rights. States have to ask themselves, "in protecting gay marriage are we inadvertently harming the children we expect to be involved?" If the answer is "yes", the states don't have the luxury of fiddling around. They are mandated to act swiftly to protect children. (See previous link for those legal mandates upon states).

Taking the comparison of behaviors as "(fill in the blank) Americans"...& Obergefell to its natural conclusion...In fact, the right to drink to any excess one likes is even protected by a Constitutional Amendment, no less. So, states had better be prepared for a mandate to issue drivers' licenses to ALL Americans and not just some! Nevermind who else is involved! Anything less would be discrimination, and bigoted...coming from "haters"...
Dumb AF
 
Driving is a privilege, not a right.

Nobody but you and small handful of fools believe your cockamamie bullshit.
If marriage is not a privilege but instead a right available to all without qualifiers that the states regulate, then I'll put in a call to the Brown polygamy family in Nevada. They'll be thrilled to know that they can now be legally married all to one another in any state of their choosing.

There isn't any 'if's' about it. Marriage is a right. Whether you believe that to be true or not is irrelevant to the law.

I am sure the Brown family already has lawyers so I don't believe they'll heed the legal advice from some untrained, mentally ill Internet random.
 
There isn't any 'if's' about it. Marriage is a right. Whether you believe that to be true or not is irrelevant to the law.

I am sure the Brown family already has lawyers so I don't believe they'll heed the legal advice from some untrained, mentally ill Internet random.

Who wrote that law and where can I find its language on the books in the states?
 
There isn't any 'if's' about it. Marriage is a right. Whether you believe that to be true or not is irrelevant to the law.

I am sure the Brown family already has lawyers so I don't believe they'll heed the legal advice from some untrained, mentally ill Internet random.

Who wrote that law and where can I find its language on the books in the states?

It is right next to the law about interracial marriages. Marriage is a right. Get over it. Or don't. Whining about doesn't change reality.
 
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With apologies to Gary Larson.....;

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Driving is a privilege, not a right.

Nobody but you and small handful of fools believe your cockamamie bullshit.
If marriage is not a privilege but instead a right available to all without qualifiers that the states regulate,.

Marriage is a right
States regulate many rights- marriage, gun ownership etc.
State regulations that are unconstitutional get overturned by the Supreme Court (Loving/Obergefell)
 
There isn't any 'if's' about it. Marriage is a right. Whether you believe that to be true or not is irrelevant to the law.

I am sure the Brown family already has lawyers so I don't believe they'll heed the legal advice from some untrained, mentally ill Internet random.

Who wrote that law and where can I find its language on the books in the states?

The law is against polygamy.

Marriage is a right- if you doubt it- read Loving v. Virginia- among very many others.
 
Driving is a privilege, not a right.

Nobody but you and small handful of fools believe your cockamamie bullshit.
If marriage is not a privilege but instead a right available to all without qualifiers that the states regulate, then I'll put in a call to the Brown polygamy family in Nevada. They'll be thrilled to know that they can now be legally married all to one another in any state of their choosing.

Are you for or against polygamy Silhouette?
 
Driving is a privilege, not a right.

Nobody but you and small handful of fools believe your cockamamie bullshit.
If marriage is not a privilege but instead a right available to all without qualifiers that the states regulate, then I'll put in a call to the Brown polygamy family in Nevada. They'll be thrilled to know that they can now be legally married all to one another in any state of their choosing.

Are you for or against polygamy Silhouette?
That's less relevant than being for or against the rule of law and equality under the 14th Amendment and other Constitutional provisions. After all, your cult assures the majority that it doesn't matter what we think, sexual behaviors besides hetero monogamous are "free to marry". Unless you are against polygamy. And if you were I'd have to ask you specifically why..?
 
Driving is a privilege, not a right.

Nobody but you and small handful of fools believe your cockamamie bullshit.
If marriage is not a privilege but instead a right available to all without qualifiers that the states regulate, then I'll put in a call to the Brown polygamy family in Nevada. They'll be thrilled to know that they can now be legally married all to one another in any state of their choosing.

Are you for or against polygamy Silhouette?
That's less relevant than being for or against the rule of law and equality under the 14th Amendment and other Constitutional provisions. After all, your cult assures the majority that it doesn't matter what we think, sexual behaviors besides hetero monogamous are "free to marry". Unless you are against polygamy. And if you were I'd have to ask you specifically why..?

May I have some dressing for this bullshit word salad? Sweet and sour or ranch will do.
 
mdk, you are such a troll and do nothing but chase people around the boards introducing strawmen and ad hominems with almost zero substance as such a regular habit, that I would've banned you and all your sock puppets here long long ago. So, you must know at least one of the moderators personally to continue disrupting in such a way.

If you have something to say about Alcoholic Americans and their "right to drive" despite who shares the road with them, say it. Otherwise, shut the fuck up.
 
mdk, you are such a troll and do nothing but chase people around the boards introducing strawmen and ad hominems with almost zero substance as such a regular habit, that I would've banned you and all your sock puppets here long long ago. So, you must know at least one of the moderators personally to continue disrupting in such a way.

If you have something to say about Alcoholic Americans and their "right to drive" despite who shares the road with them, say it. Otherwise, shut the fuck up.

Oh, shut the fuck up you whiny little twat.

Driving isn't a right, ending this odd and latest attempt to stop queers from marrying.
 
mdk, you are such a troll and do nothing but chase people around the boards introducing strawmen and ad hominems with almost zero substance as such a regular habit, that I would've banned you and all your sock puppets here long long ago. So, you must know at least one of the moderators personally to continue disrupting in such a way.

If you have something to say about Alcoholic Americans and their "right to drive" despite who shares the road with them, say it. Otherwise, shut the fuck up.

Oh, shut the fuck up you whiny little twat.

Driving isn't a right, ending this odd and latest attempt to stop queers from marrying.
Marriage isn't a right either. Haven't found it anywhere in the Constitution...let me know if you find it. If you're arguing that certain people with certain behaviors adverse to marrying (not providing man and wife, father and mother) have now some "right" to marry; I could just as equally argue that certain people, with behaviors adverse to driving (moving down the road safely without incumbering anyone else from said behavior) now have some "right" to drive. Both marriage and driver's conditional licenses (they are conditional, arent' they? Since polygamists still may not marry) are issued at the state level. Not a word of mention about driving or marrying in the US Constitution..

Remember, Loving won because their marriage did not violate laws of man/woman marriage. And since race was protected specifically and referenced as such in the Constitution as to rights (instead of "same sex behaviors" which aren't), a black man and a white woman legally are qualified for "man and wife". Two gays aren't.

If you think marriage is a "right", please tell me where polygamists may legally marry. Failing that, please tell me why the number "two" is more legally "magical and important" than man/woman...OK? Those advocating for children's enjoyments in the marriage contract would say that polygamy is better for kids than gay marriage because polygamy gives them both a mother and father at least..
 
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mdk, you are such a troll and do nothing but chase people around the boards introducing strawmen and ad hominems with almost zero substance as such a regular habit, that I would've banned you and all your sock puppets here long long ago. So, you must know at least one of the moderators personally to continue disrupting in such a way.

If you have something to say about Alcoholic Americans and their "right to drive" despite who shares the road with them, say it. Otherwise, shut the fuck up.

Oh, shut the fuck up you whiny little twat.

Driving isn't a right, ending this odd and latest attempt to stop queers from marrying.
Marriage isn't a right either. If you think it is, please tell me where polygamists may legally marry. Failing that, please tell me why the number "two" is more legally "magical and important" than man/woman...OK? Those advocating for children's enjoyments in the marriage contract would say that polygamy is better for kids than gay marriage because polygamy give them both a mother and father at least..

Marriage is a right. Nobody gives a shit whether you believe that to be the case or not. Reality doesn't change simply b/c it doesn't fit your anti-gay narrative.
 
Marriage isn't a right either. Haven't found it anywhere in the Constitution

This is exactly why a handful of the Founding Fathers were wary of even putting a Bill of Rights in the Constitution. They were concerned that future generations would foolishly believe that unless it is specifically enumerated than it isn't a right. It seems their fears were justified.

Marriage is a right and driving is a privilege. Despite all your pissing in the wind, these are well settled legal facts.
 

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