New: CBP Shoots and Kills Man in MN

[Toddsterpatriot]

He lived a state over, so how the hell was he protecting his community? The owners did ask for his services. The owners of the Car Source dealership testified that they never requested or authorized Kyle Rittenhouse or his group of armed individuals to protect their business.

He wasn't even old enough to carry a firearm, Pretti had a legitimate firearm, now deal with those facts.

He lived a state over, so how the hell was he protecting his community?

He shot 3 felons who attacked him. Sounds like he did an awesome job protecting the community.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Where’s the video of him running?

Just going off of the story you presented.

Why are you ignoring the rest of the videos?

I’m not

The ruling was that ICE can’t do warrantless entries. But again, you denied that they were doing that in the first place.

I never said one way or the other, I said, show me the proof of the warrantless entries. Protesters going up to agents demanding to see the warrants is not valid as they have no right to see them.

So you’re changing your story, because you just claimed that it’s obstruction to not telling officers something.

I’m not changing anything. If an officer is doing an investigation and you lie to them, that would be obstruction. If you just don’t speak at all, then that’s your right.

Being dozens of feet away doesn’t constitute obstruction. Neither does following them.

Hence why I said if you are up in their faces, or, if you are within the area where the are conducting an operation.

But ICE has decided that they can’t attack and harass you for doing that.

I agree that ice shouldn’t attack you if you are keeping your distance. No argument here.

 

[Dirk the Daring]

He lived a state over, so how the hell was he protecting his community?

He shot 3 felons who attacked him. Sounds like he did an awesome job protecting the community.

Liberals just LOVE protecting their child abusers...

 

[ThisIsMe]

Simpletons like you don't get to make policy.



Because Walz didn't spend three months riling people up like Trump did and organizing the demonstration (which again, are mostly peaceful.)

No, democrats have been riling people up for years, and Walz just threw gas on the fire.

And no, your democrat “protests” are not mostly peaceful.

 

[scruffy]

Latest input from CBS:

2 federal agents fired their weapons during Alex Pretti shooting, government report to Congress says

Two U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents fired their weapons during the fatal shooting of Alex Pretti, according to a government report sent to Congress and obtained by CBS News that does not mention Pretti reaching for his firearm.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Seymour Flops]

Here, I'll Zapruder this for you:

This is the gunman Pretti (red arrow) at least five feet from the nearest ICE officer (green Arrow) who is apparently ordering a woman (pink arrow) to stop chasing him:

I don't know who or what sex the person Pretti appears to have in a headlock, or some awkward hug, is, or what he/she is doing.

Here the officer forces the woman to stop acosting him, as Gunman Pretti steps toward the officer, whose face is turned away from Pretti:

Here is Pretti, having closed in from five feet, getting in the face of the officer, who can barely be seen due to Pretti being inches away at most.

Here is the officer trying to subdue the gunman with non-lethal force:

The mystery person is destined to be the John Connely of this one.

This was no nurse seeking to help a patient. He was a man eager to fight police, possibly with a broken rib from having fought them days before. Still, police had no interest in shooting him. They have been incredibly patient in taking abuse no one whould have to and without shooting people. Not until they saw that he had brought a gun with which to shoot them and was still fighting.

How could he have avoided dying that day?

-He doesn't go to a violent protest: he lives
-He goes, but tends to injured without interfering with police: he lives.
-He backs off when police use nonlethal force: he lives.
-He doesn't carry a gun to a location with a plan to fight police: he lives.
-He gives up when multiple police tackle him: he lives.

In all of those scenarios, Nurse Pretti becomes the hero of the left media, he gets to sue the federal government in a Minnesota court, and he is nearly immune from firing because it would look like retaliation.

He walks into any Minneapolis bar and takes his pick of whatever his particular preference for f***buddy is.

If he had chosen to live.

I don't know enough about him to say for sure why he did not want to live, why he committed one of the most clear cases of suicide by cop i've ever seen. But I have a strong hunch that it has something to do with the VA. The Veterans Administration is one of the leading causes of suicide among veterans, and I'll bet their medical staff have a high suicide rate also.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I wonder if the rest of the crew they sent out to serve what was technically a legit warrant actually served the warrant while this stuff was going on. There should be some body cam record of whether they were able to serve the warrant unimpeded. And, if so, where was that warrant served in relation to where this other stuff happened. I haven't seen anything mentioned. With all of the squawking, one might expect that at least one of the talking heads on the idiot box would have asked that specific question.

There's a reason they send so many out for an operation like that, particularly where crowd control may be involved or is expected in the perimeter.

With regard to that previous thought there, Stephen Miller has said that the White House “provided clear guidance to DHS that the extra personnel that had been sent to Minnesota for force protection should be used for conducting fugitive operations to create a physical barrier between the arrest teams and the disruptors” and that ''We are evaluating why the CBP team may not have been following that protocol.''

 

[Mack The Finger]

There is a cop on his knees and he is trying to get Prettis left arm behind him. You can see him trying to hook that arm and he is absolutely fighting it. This happens in the video literally right before he is shot.

On a side note, its super annoying to watch cops struggle with a ******* arm like that. If someone spent 5 minutes with every cop, they would know how to do a "kimura". Dont any of these cops watch MMA? Its fuckin simple as shit to do a kimura, especially if the guy is being held down by other cops.

They could have put her to sleep in 5 minutek like with one of those face choke holds...but they are mostly banded.

 

[Delldude]

So...not being physical. Just standing there recording.

What were the lawful orders?

 

[Delldude]

2 federal agents fired their weapons during Alex Pretti shooting, government report to Congress says


According to the report to Congress, CBP agents were conducting an operation in Minneapolis on Saturday morning when an officer was "confronted by two female civilians blowing whistles." The officer ordered the women to "move out of the roadway," the report said. That's when CBP agents first encountered Pretti.

"The [CBP officer] pushed them both away and one of the females ran to a male, later identified as 37-year-old Alex Jeffrey Pretti, a US citizen," the report said. "The [CBP officer] attempted to move the woman and Pretti out of the roadway. The woman and Pretti did not move. The [CBP officer] deployed his oleoresin capsicum (OC) spray towards both Pretti and the woman."

CBP agents then "attempted to take Pretti into custody," according to the report.

"Pretti resisted CBP personnel's efforts and a struggle ensued. During the struggle, a BPA yelled, 'He's got a gun!' multiple times," the report said.

"Approximately five seconds later, a [Border Patrol agent] discharged his CBP-issued Glock 19 and a [CBP officer] also discharged his CBP-issued Glock 47 at Pretti. After the shooting, a BPA advised he had possession of Pretti's firearm," CBP added. "The BPA subsequently cleared and secured Pretti's firearm in his vehicle."
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In that statement, DHS also said Pretti "approached" the CBP agents with a 9mm semi-automatic firearm. But CBP's report to Congress makes no claim that Pretti tried to reach for his firearm.

2 federal agents fired their weapons during Alex Pretti shooting, government report to Congress says

Two U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents fired their weapons during the fatal shooting of Alex Pretti, according to a government report sent to Congress and obtained by CBS News that does not mention Pretti reaching for his firearm.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[XponentialChaos]

There is a cop on his knees and he is trying to get Prettis left arm behind him. You can see him trying to hook that arm and he is absolutely fighting it. This happens in the video literally right before he is shot.

He had just been pepper-sprayed, and he was likely reacting from that.

On a side note, its super annoying to watch cops struggle with a ******* arm like that. If someone spent 5 minutes with every cop, they would know how to do a "kimura". Dont any of these cops watch MMA? Its fuckin simple as shit to do a kimura, especially if the guy is being held down by other cops.

Yea, with 7 or 8 guys on him and they can’t get him under control? Terrible. Bunch of incompetent idiots.

I guess being able to get one guy under control isn’t necessary when they’d prefer to just shoot him instead.

 

[Leo123]

I dunno. I think it's more than that. That kind of after-the-fact-shooting-to-make-sure-that-************-is-dead tells a lot about their state of mind. These aren't professional law enforcement agents. They lost their shit because of all the protestor harassment, and decided to shut them up by making a statement. I don't necessarily think killing him was the intended outcome, but in all the chaos, the gun was all the excuse they needed to waste him. The firing after the fact was their final act of catharsis. And a sickening image of what Trump's government has become.

That particular Sig-Sauer has a reputation of mistake firing. That is what most likely happened when the agent took the gun. That 'triggered' the other agents to fire in self defense. Nobody could see all that was going on, we have the benefit of enhanced video to show what happened. I believe they thought Pretti shot his firearm after one agent yelled 'gun.' Also, as I have posted many times, Pretti was reaching into his hip pocket which, in the heat of the moment, could be perceived as him pulling out another gun. Some say he pulled out a cell phone or the other magazine he had but hindsight is the best sight.

 

[dblack]

Here, I'll Zapruder this for you:

This is the gunman Pretti (red arrow) at least five feet from the nearest ICE officer (green Arrow) who is apparently ordering a woman (pink arrow) to stop chasing him:

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I don't know who or what sex the person Pretti appears to have in a headlock, or some awkward hug, is, or what he/she is doing.

Here the officer forces the woman to stop acosting him, as Gunman Pretti steps toward the officer, whose face is turned away from Pretti:

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Here is Pretti, having closed in from five feet, getting in the face of the officer, who can barely be seen due to Pretti being inches away at most.


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Here is the officer trying to subdue the gunman with non-lethal force:

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The mystery person is destined to be the John Connely of this one.

This was no nurse seeking to help a patient. He was a man eager to fight police, possibly with a broken rib from having fought them days before. Still, police had no interest in shooting him. They have been incredibly patient in taking abuse no one whould have to and without shooting people. Not until they saw that he had brought a gun with which to shoot them and was still fighting.

How could he have avoided dying that day?

-He doesn't go to a violent protest: he lives
-He goes, but tends to injured without interfering with police: he lives.
-He backs off when police use nonlethal force: he lives.
-He doesn't carry a gun to a location with a plan to fight police: he lives.
-He gives up when multiple police tackle him: he lives.

In all of those scenarios, Nurse Pretti becomes the hero of the left media, he gets to sue the federal government in a Minnesota court, and he is nearly immune from firing because it would look like retaliation.

He walks into any Minneapolis bar and takes his pick of whatever his particular preference for f***buddy is.

If he had chosen to live.

I don't know enough about him to say for sure why he did not want to live, why he committed one of the most clear cases of suicide by cop i've ever seen. But I have a strong hunch that it has something to do with the VA. The Veterans Administration is one of the leading causes of suicide among veterans, and I'll bet their medical staff have a high suicide rate also.

Sickening.

 

[Natural Citizen]

That particular Sig-Sauer has a reputation of mistake firing.

I think it's been determined that the particular gun belonging to the deceased wasn't fired, either unintentionally by the retrieving agent or by failure.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I think it's been determined that the particular gun belonging to the deceased wasn't fired, either unintentionally by the retrieving agent or by failure.

The video doesn't appear to show the gun going off, when the first shot is heard.

 

[Leo123]

I think it's been determined that the particular gun belonging to the deceased wasn't fired, either unintentionally by the retrieving agent or by failure.

Link?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Link?

Just go watch the video, when the first shot is heard. The gun doesn't kick.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Link?

Well, I said I think, Leo. Reason I said it that way is because it was just kind of unofficial official speak I was listening to some on my idiot box earlier.

The video doesn't appear to show the gun going off, when the first shot is heard.

You can see what looks to be recoil, though, by the second agent who fired all of the shots. You can see it precisely at the moment of the first pop, depending on which recording angle you're watching. The other agent who fired the rest of the shots was the same agent who crossed the street from the donut shop where the fugitive was holed up and and started shoving the women and pepper praying the deceased.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Just go watch the video, when the first shot is heard. The gun doesn't kick.

There's is clear recoil on the arm of the agent directly over top of the deceased, though. Again, depending on which recording angle you're watching.

 

[Leo123]

There's is clear recoil on the arm of the agent directly over top of the deceased, though. Again, depending on which recording angle you're watching.

There was a video of the agent with the Sig Sauer he took from Pretti. The gun was pointed down and it looks like there is a recoil. IOW it fired and that would have been the first shot.