sealybobo, et al,
This is a trick question.
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This question paints these groups in broad brush strokes. Neither group is 100% violent.
However the insinuation of the "product of their environment" defense is a mitigating factor; and not a cause in itself. Not every Muslim is a terrorist. Not every African American is violent.
This is a dangerous question. This is an emotional question that will ignite misunderstanding.
We should avoid it.
Most Respectfully,
R
I understand where you are coming from, but would point out that avoiding the question merely enables those who spread propaganda for their own agendas on both "sides" to reinforce false stereotypes. Only by daring to touch the third rail; through open and honest discussion, can we get out of the mess we're in at the moment.
Does that include admitting that left wing uncontrolled mass immigration was the wrong thing to do and that we need to remove the unproductive immigrants from our lands before civil unrest breaks out. When the left wing politicians admit that they were wrong and should have exercised better control over the immigrant numbers and type of immigrant.
although this has nothing to do with Israel Palestine and is just another pathetic attempt at deflection, I don't mind admitting that the UK couldn't function without immigrants,
"Concern about the economic impact of immigration has centred on two areas: the effect foreigners have on native workers’ wages and employment; and the extent to which immigrants, in particular those from countries within the European Union who are free to move around at will, take from a system to which they have contributed little. Research by Christian Dustmann of University College London and Tommaso Frattini of the University of Milan focuses on the second.
By calculating European immigrants’ share of the cost of government spending and their contribution to government revenues, the scholars estimate that between 1995 and 2011 the
migrants made a positive contribution of more than £4 billion ($6.4 billion) to Britain, compared with an overall negative contribution of £591 billion for native Britons. Between 2001 and 2011, the net fiscal contribution of recent arrivals from the eastern European countries that have joined the EU since 2004 has amounted to almost £5 billion. Even during the worst years of the financial crisis, in 2007-11, they made a net contribution of almost £2 billion to British public finances. Migrants from other European countries chipped in £8.6 billion."
Immigration What have the immigrants ever done for us The Economist
"Thinktank warns stricter immigration rules could hit service after stats show 11% of all staff and 26% of doctors are non-British"
Figures show extent of NHS reliance on foreign nationals Society The Guardian
Immigrants, wherever they come from, are rarely unproductive. This is a fascist UKIP myth bandied about by both closet and overt racist morons.
COW FLOP and you know it, the government admitted that the cost if immigration was one of the biggest drains on the Exchequer. For starter's they cost the NHS £490 million in translation costs alone for patient leaflets. Then the cost to education is about the same in providing education for immigrants that cant speak English, and this comes from the budget meaning English children are left out. The cost in housing is high as more immigrants are on supplemental benefits for housing. The list goes on where immigration costs the country money, and the few immigrants working and paying their way does not cover the costs.
Now an in depth analysis of that report shows this
However, studying the numbers in the UCL report more closely, another finding emerges.
And that is, that if you look at the figures for the whole of the period under study, 1995-2011, immigration has been a drain on the public purse.
To the tune of about £95bn.
So how can that be? How can the picture be so radically different if you look six years further into the past?
It's because these figures include all immigrants living in the UK at that time - so, not just recent arrivals, but people who'd been in the UK for, in some cases, decades.
This is significant because a good proportion of those people who have been in the UK for some time are likely to be older than the most recent immigrants, and so are more likely to be on benefits and using health services than those who have arrived since 2000 (who have an average age of just 26 years).
Dustmann argues therefore if you look at the fiscal contribution of all immigrants in this way, then you may not be capturing the truest picture of their total contribution to the public purse.
Certainly, focusing on the most recent immigrants gives a clear view of how much immigrants contribute to the public purse in the first few years of their stay in the UK, but it also doesn't give a complete picture, because what you are capturing is a very particular time in their lives - some of their youngest, most productive years.
Want to bow out now while you are falling behind, even your neo Marxist socialist party admitted they fudged the figures to
Prove it- using objective sources.
Immigrants cost Britain 3 000 a year each says report - Telegraph
Immigrants have cost the taxpayer more than £22 million a day since the mid-1990s, totting up a bill of more than £140 billion, according to a new report.
MigrationWatch UK, which campaigns against mass
immigration, added that in 2011 the costs were equivalent to £3,000 for each of the eight million foreign-born people living in Britain.
It compiled the figures in response to a study published by University College London (UCL) last year which claimed immigrants made a “substantial” contribution to public finances.
The pressure group’s new report said UCL’s conclusions - which were given prominent coverage by the BBC - were “simply wrong”.
In fact, immigration between 1995 and 2011 cost the taxpayer more than £140 billion, or £22 million a day, after balancing what immigrants pay in tax with what they take out of Britain’s coffers by claiming benefits and tax credits, it said.
BBC News - More or Less Calculating how much migrants cost or benefit a nation
To make sense of the numbers, it helps to break them down a little - to divide the net contribution to the public purse by the number of people in each group under study.
When we do that, we see that between 1995-2011, on average each EEA immigrant put about £6,000 more into the public purse than they took out.
Non-EEA immigrants each took out about £21,000 more than they put in during that period.
And this group is the biggest - non-EEA immigrants make up two thirds of the UK immigrant population. So both groups of immigrants - EEA and non-EEA - considered together, take out around £14,000 more than they put in, amounting to a deficit of around £95bn for the public purse between 1995-2011.
The true cost of immigration 148billion UK News Daily Express
Professor Christian Dustmann and Dr Tommaso Frattini claimed EU migrants paid four per cent more into the tax system than they took, while British-born people paid in seven per cent less. The pair also said migrants arriving between 2001 and 2011 added £25billion to Britain’s economy.
The total cost is high and increased dramatically between 1995 and 2011, providing no compensation for the overcrowding of this island which we are experiencing, largely as a result of immigration
Sir Andrew Green, MigrationWatch UK
But when MigrationWatch did the sums again with a more realistic approach they found “no positive contribution” by European migrants between 2001 and 2011. The actual cost to the UK of all migrants between 1995 and 2011 stood at £148billion.
The annual bill rocketed from around £7billion in 2003 – a year before Poland, Slovakia and eight other countries joined the EU – to about £22billion in 2011 after Romania and Bulgaria won membership, according to MigrationWatch estimates.
While migrants were half as likely as natives to claim benefits they were “much more likely” to get tax credits – costing the state more – to
make up for low pay.
MigrationWatch experts also found the academics had buried a figure showing that, even using their hopelessly optimistic calculations, the full cost of immigration stood at nearly £100billion.
“The
authors themselves found a cost to the UK from migrants in the UK of £95billion between 1995 and 2011.
