Never Forget! Ashli Babbit Died For Their Freedom To Trample On Our Right To Have Our Votes Count

[martybegan]

The bullshit is yours. No one said she was all the way through. You're ignoring her instinct to back up from the shooter in that instant... the weight of her bacpack... there's no telling exactly how far through she got; but again, it does not matter. All that matters was she was climbing through a busted out window to gain access to a restricted area where lawmakers and staff were still holed up inside the House chamber.

Didn't you just claim the bullet could do it?

And at the time she was shot she was ZERO threat to the officer in question, and to anyone else.

 

[Marener]

In this case they are. She was hanging in the window, passing through the window, climbing through the window, all correct at the time she was shot.

Define “hanging”.

 

[martybegan]

Define “hanging”.

In this case in the window, be it in the process of going through it, or stationary.

at the second she was shot she was in the window, unless she was floating in it, she was hanging onto something that was part of the window.

 

[Faun]

Didn't you just claim the bullet could do it?

And at the time she was shot she was ZERO threat to the officer in question, and to anyone else.

False. She was entering the Speaker's Lobby. There was a violent mob right behind her still trying to break in. Lawmaker's were still in the chamber and an unbarricaded door leading into the chamber was just a few feet away. Also just a few feet away was officer Byrd.

 

[martybegan]

False. She was entering the Speaker's Lobby. There was a violent mob right behind her still trying to break in. Lawmaker's were still in the chamber and an unbarricaded door leading into the chamber was just a few feet away. Also just a few feet away was officer Byrd.

Where she could have been taken into custody.

Then shoot at the violent mob, not the unarmed helpless woman in the window.

 

[Marener]

In this case in the window, be it in the process of going through it, or stationary.

at the second she was shot she was in the window, unless she was floating in it, she was hanging onto something that was part of the window.

So it’s an ambiguous term. Less specific because it would also include people who are “stationary”.

 

[martybegan]

So it’s an ambiguous term. Less specific because it would also include people who are “stationary”.

She was stationary at the time she was shot.

 

[Marener]

She was stationary at the time she was shot.

Was she? How long had she been stationary for?

 

[martybegan]

Was she? How long had she been stationary for?

At the time she was shot, she was in the window. Unless she could fly she couldn't be threatening the officer or anyone else until she got out of it.

 

[Marener]

At the time she was shot, she was in the window. Unless she could fly she couldn't be threatening the officer or anyone else until she got out of it.

How long was had she been stationary for?

 

[Faun]

Where she could have been taken into custody.

Then shoot at the violent mob, not the unarmed helpless woman in the window.

No, she couldn't. Police were too outnumbered to effect arrests. If Byrd tries to arrest her, the violent mob behind her breaks in and then he has to start shooting many others.

 

[martybegan]

How long was had she been stationary for?

Hanging doesn't have to be stationary, so your obsession on this point is moot.

 

[Faun]

At the time she was shot, she was in the window. Unless she could fly she couldn't be threatening the officer or anyone else until she got out of it.

She was closer to Byrd than Michael Brown was to Wilson.

 

[martybegan]

No, she couldn't. Police were too outnumbered to effect arrests. If Byrd tries to arrest her, the violent mob behind her breaks in and then he has to start shooting many others.

That's a lot of assumption. And again you are referencing showing the rest of the crowd someone could get shot, which is as I have stated repeatedly not part of use of deadly force rules for police officers.

 

[martybegan]

She was closer to Byrd than Michael Brown was to Wilson.

Who was actually advancing on Wilson ON THE GROUND, charging actually.

And was a much bigger physical threat.

 

[Robert W]

Over the weekend some dipshits planned a stunt involving a memorial to some dead traitors. Only one thing stood in their way, federal gatekeepers...

They are not traitors. And the Congress was not counting your votes. They were to count electors votes.
Ashli Babbitt has earned a monument on the grounds where she was cruelly executed by a cop.

 

[Marener]

Hanging doesn't have to be stationary, so your obsession on this point is moot.

You said she was stationary when she was shot.

Are you walking that back?

 

[martybegan]

You said she was stationary when she was shot.

Are you walking that back?

At the second she was shot she was, unless she is faster than a bullet.

Also she was in the process of claiming through the window. So in that situation she wasn't advancing on the officer, like Faun is trying to claim vis a vis Brown/Wilson.

I've made my position clear. The rest of this is just quibbling and semantics.

 

[Marener]

At the second she was shot she was, unless she is faster than a bullet.

How long had she been stationary for?

 

[martybegan]

How long had she been stationary for?

at the point of the shot.

I've already acceded to her trying to go through the window, but that the point she was hanging, or hung up in it.