Nebraska Nuclear Plant at Level 4 Alert!!

[Intense]

The "news blackout" is just another one of the lies. There was no news blackout. It was reported. Our government DOES NOT HAVE THE POWER to black out the news. The news is protected by the first amendment. The most the government can do is ask for a media blackout. But why? It was a very low level incident that endangered nobody and never put the plant in jeopardy.

So why didn't we hear much about it? Because unless you wrap sensationalism around the story with things like IT WAS A LEVEL 4 EMERGENCY, it isn't very good news.

Sorry to disagree, but this is an Industry neck deep in Big Government and Big Company Partnership. It's interests are very much protected, for better or worse. It is very naive to assume there is no pressure or influence on the press. Can you say GE, for one.

 

[Patriot911]

The "news blackout" is just another one of the lies. There was no news blackout. It was reported. Our government DOES NOT HAVE THE POWER to black out the news. The news is protected by the first amendment. The most the government can do is ask for a media blackout. But why? It was a very low level incident that endangered nobody and never put the plant in jeopardy.

So why didn't we hear much about it? Because unless you wrap sensationalism around the story with things like IT WAS A LEVEL 4 EMERGENCY, it isn't very good news.

Sorry to disagree, but this is an Industry neck deep in Big Government and Big Company Partnership. It's interests are very much protected, for better or worse. It is very naive to assume there is no pressure or influence on the press. Can you say GE, for one.

Pressure and influence is not the same as a blackout. I've never claimed either the government or big corporations don't put pressure on the media to put certain spins on stories. Blackouts don't work because everyone knows SOMEONE is going to leak it and nobody wants to be last in coming out with a story.

And it doesn't take much deductive power to see that this issue is such a non-issue that it wouldn't make the glaring headlines. I never had a hard time looking up stories on this issue, but the only ones that get talked about are the sensationalized stories like the one out of Hawaii. Most of the other ones are people from the plant rolling their eyes at the people incorrectly reporting what happened and what the level of emergency was.

It is always a good idea to be wary of government and corporate influence on the media. It is a bad idea to pretend every story is being spun or is an outright lie / suppression by the government and corporations when there is no evidence to support such a conclusion.

 

[Intense]

While the U.S. media has been occupied with Anthony Weiner, the Republican presidential candidates and Bristol Palin’s memoir, coverage of Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant disaster has practially fallen off the map. Poor mainstream media coverage of Japan’s now months-long struggle to gain control over the Fukushima disaster has deprived Americans of crucial information about the risks of nuclear power following natural disasters. After a few weeks of covering the early aftermath of Japan’s earthquake and tsunami, the U.S. media moved on, leaving behind the crisis at Fukushima which continues to unfold. U.S. politicians, like Rep. Joe Barton of Texas, have made disappointing and misleading statements about the relative safety of nuclear power and have vowed to stick by our nuclear program, while other countries, like Germany and Italy, have taken serious steps to address the obvious risks of nuclear power — risks that the Fukushima disaster made painfully evident, at least to the rest of the world.

Problems Multiply
News outlets in other countries have been paying attention to Fukushima, though, and a relative few in this country have as well. A June 16, 2011 Al Jazeera English article titled, “Fukushima: It’s much worse than you think,” quotes a high-level former nuclear industry executive, Arnold Gunderson, who called Fukushima nohting less than “the biggest industrial catastrophe in the history of mankind.” Twenty nuclear cores have been exposed at Fukushima, Gunderson points out, saying that, along with the site’s many spent-fuel pools, gives Fukushima 20 times the release potential of Chernobyl.

Efforts to bring problems at Fukushima under control are not going well, either. Japanese authorities only just recently admitted that nuclear fuel in the three damaged Fukushima reactors has likely burned through the vessels holding it, a scenario called “melt-through”, that is even more serious than a core meltdown. Months of spraying seawater on the plant’s three melted-down fuel cores — and the spent fuel stored on site — to try and cool them has produced 26 million of gallons of radioactive wastewater, and no place to put it.

The Indypendent » What Happened to Media Coverage of Fukushima?

 

[Patriot911]

OK, this is a good example of people with an agenda trying to use fear to push an obvious anti-nuclear agenda.

Take this sentence for an example:

Efforts to bring problems at Fukushima under control are not going well, either. Japanese authorities only just recently admitted that nuclear fuel in the three damaged Fukushima reactors has likely burned through the vessels holding it, a scenario called “melt-through”, that is even more serious than a core meltdown

Really? So a partial "melt-through" is more serious than a melt-down that would, by definition, not only include a "melt-through" but contaminate the entire ground table of water, rendering BILLIONS of gallons of water radioactive and releasing this water as a cloud of steam into the atmosphere.

So how is a fairly contained reaction more serious than a completely uncontained and out of control reaction?

Did you even notice this discrepancy? Or were your own personal biases blinding you to the fairly obvious? I'm not dishing on you. I would really like to know.

 

[martybegan]

While the U.S. media has been occupied with Anthony Weiner, the Republican presidential candidates and Bristol Palin’s memoir, coverage of Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant disaster has practially fallen off the map. Poor mainstream media coverage of Japan’s now months-long struggle to gain control over the Fukushima disaster has deprived Americans of crucial information about the risks of nuclear power following natural disasters. After a few weeks of covering the early aftermath of Japan’s earthquake and tsunami, the U.S. media moved on, leaving behind the crisis at Fukushima which continues to unfold. U.S. politicians, like Rep. Joe Barton of Texas, have made disappointing and misleading statements about the relative safety of nuclear power and have vowed to stick by our nuclear program, while other countries, like Germany and Italy, have taken serious steps to address the obvious risks of nuclear power — risks that the Fukushima disaster made painfully evident, at least to the rest of the world.

Problems Multiply
News outlets in other countries have been paying attention to Fukushima, though, and a relative few in this country have as well. A June 16, 2011 Al Jazeera English article titled, “Fukushima: It’s much worse than you think,” quotes a high-level former nuclear industry executive, Arnold Gunderson, who called Fukushima nohting less than “the biggest industrial catastrophe in the history of mankind.” Twenty nuclear cores have been exposed at Fukushima, Gunderson points out, saying that, along with the site’s many spent-fuel pools, gives Fukushima 20 times the release potential of Chernobyl.

Efforts to bring problems at Fukushima under control are not going well, either. Japanese authorities only just recently admitted that nuclear fuel in the three damaged Fukushima reactors has likely burned through the vessels holding it, a scenario called “melt-through”, that is even more serious than a core meltdown. Months of spraying seawater on the plant’s three melted-down fuel cores — and the spent fuel stored on site — to try and cool them has produced 26 million of gallons of radioactive wastewater, and no place to put it.

The Indypendent » What Happened to Media Coverage of Fukushima?

What can be seen as a "blackout" can simply be the lack of additional information. This is not the movies or television where investigations are completed within a given time frame. You also notice that coverage of the tsunami, the cleanup and everything else has also dropped off. Lack of 24 hour news coverage does not mean ignorance.

What we then get are crackpots and pseudo-scientists who extrapolate known data, broadcast the worst case scenarios in others, and bald face lie in still others. The people with agendas come out of the woodwork.

Sooner or later the offical report will come out, and it will be reviewable by people knowledgeable in the field, not crackpots who want to press thier political views.

 

[Intense]

You both like Sun Flowers, right???

TOKYO — Campaigners in Japan are asking people to grow sunflowers, said to help decontaminate radioactive soil, in response to the Fukushima nuclear disaster that followed March's massive quake and tsunami.

Volunteers are being asked to grow sunflowers this year, then send the seeds to the stricken area where they will be planted next year to help get rid of radioactive contaminants in the plant's fallout zone.

The campaign, launched by young entrepreneurs and civil servants in Fukushima prefecture last month, aims to cover large areas in yellow blossoms as a symbol of hope and reconstruction and to lure back tourists.

"We will give the seeds sent back by people for free to farmers, the public sector and other groups next year," said project leader Shinji Handa. The goal is a landscape so yellow that "it will surprise NASA", he said.

The massive earthquake and tsunami left more than 23,000 people dead or missing on Japan's northeast coast and crippled the Fukushima nuclear power plant that has leaked radiation into the environment since.

Almost 10,000 packets of sunflower seeds at 500 yen ($6) each have so far been sold to some 30,000 people, including to the city of Yokohama near Tokyo, which is growing sunflowers in 200 parks, Handa said.

AFP: Sunflowers to clean radioactive soil in Japan

I think you guys are a bit too much touchy-feely tag teaming me like that.

I brought this here sing along to the thread in case you want to break free and join in.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZQoP1jseVY]YouTube - ‪Kum Bay Ya‬‏[/ame]

Just a thought, about the down side of Nuclear Power, when the shit does hit the fan, there is little that compares to the devastation. Exaggerating the problem or the effects??? Really???

 

[Intense]

Meltdown
(mĕlt'doun')
n.
1.Severe overheating of a nuclear reactor core, resulting in melting of the core and escape of radiation.
2.Informal. A disastrous or rapidly developing situation likened to the melting of a nuclear reactor core: "After several corporate meltdowns, only two reporters remain in [the] bureau" (David Fitzpatrick).
3.Informal. An emotional breakdown



Read more: meltdown: Definition from Answers.com

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Melt-Through
(′melt ′thrü)
(nucleonics) An accident in a nuclear reactor in which melting of the fuel core (meltdown) leads to runaway melting of nuclear fuel out of the bottom of the reactor, down through the concrete mat below, and into the earth. Also known as China syndrome.




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Actually a Melt-Through is more catastrophic than a Meltdown.

 

[Intense]

And then there is the radiation itself: Levels in the air are two to 50 times the normal level. Radiation levels are high even in populous cities of 400,000 or more people – such as Koriyama and Fukushima City – each about 35 miles from the reactors. Most of the radiation escaped in the first few days of the accident and was deposited on the ground --in school yards, on people’s homes and in massive amounts in the farmlands that make up most of the area. The government monitors the levels in the air at seven sites in Fukushima Prefecture, but radiation falls in particles, and a very high levels can remain in one place, while just a few feet away there's very little.

No one knows what the long-term effects of the radiation will be. The health dangers of elevated but relatively low levels of radiation remains one of the biggest disputes in medicine. Residents worry about the effects on themselves, and on their children especially. Farmers fear the crops they are planting this spring will never come to market after the fall harvest. And everyone knows there is no end in sight to the crisis. As Hideo Hanai, a cattle farmer, told me “It’s like being chased by a monster that you can’t see.”

World Blog - Japan's radiation fallout 'a monster you can't see'

 

[martybegan]

You both like Sun Flowers, right???

TOKYO — Campaigners in Japan are asking people to grow sunflowers, said to help decontaminate radioactive soil, in response to the Fukushima nuclear disaster that followed March's massive quake and tsunami.

Volunteers are being asked to grow sunflowers this year, then send the seeds to the stricken area where they will be planted next year to help get rid of radioactive contaminants in the plant's fallout zone.

The campaign, launched by young entrepreneurs and civil servants in Fukushima prefecture last month, aims to cover large areas in yellow blossoms as a symbol of hope and reconstruction and to lure back tourists.

"We will give the seeds sent back by people for free to farmers, the public sector and other groups next year," said project leader Shinji Handa. The goal is a landscape so yellow that "it will surprise NASA", he said.

The massive earthquake and tsunami left more than 23,000 people dead or missing on Japan's northeast coast and crippled the Fukushima nuclear power plant that has leaked radiation into the environment since.

Almost 10,000 packets of sunflower seeds at 500 yen ($6) each have so far been sold to some 30,000 people, including to the city of Yokohama near Tokyo, which is growing sunflowers in 200 parks, Handa said.

AFP: Sunflowers to clean radioactive soil in Japan

I think you guys are a bit too much touchy-feely tag teaming me like that.

I brought this here sing along to the thread in case you want to break free and join in.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZQoP1jseVY]YouTube - ‪Kum Bay Ya‬‏[/ame]

Just a thought, about the down side of Nuclear Power, when the shit does hit the fan, there is little that compares to the devastation. Exaggerating the problem or the effects??? Really???

THIS is who I bring into my tag team

OOOH YEAH!!!

 

[martybegan]

And then there is the radiation itself: Levels in the air are two to 50 times the normal level. Radiation levels are high even in populous cities of 400,000 or more people – such as Koriyama and Fukushima City – each about 35 miles from the reactors. Most of the radiation escaped in the first few days of the accident and was deposited on the ground --in school yards, on people’s homes and in massive amounts in the farmlands that make up most of the area. The government monitors the levels in the air at seven sites in Fukushima Prefecture, but radiation falls in particles, and a very high levels can remain in one place, while just a few feet away there's very little.

No one knows what the long-term effects of the radiation will be. The health dangers of elevated but relatively low levels of radiation remains one of the biggest disputes in medicine. Residents worry about the effects on themselves, and on their children especially. Farmers fear the crops they are planting this spring will never come to market after the fall harvest. And everyone knows there is no end in sight to the crisis. As Hideo Hanai, a cattle farmer, told me “It’s like being chased by a monster that you can’t see.”

World Blog - Japan's radiation fallout 'a monster you can't see'

The issue is that there was no true particle release, such as in Chernobyl. The reactor had no graphite to catch fire, and as far as we know the primary release was gaseous, and of nulcotides that have decayed significantly as of now.

How did the radiation deposit on the ground? What was the mechanism? So far we only have 1 possible breach of containment. Even if the stuff came from the spent fuel pools, that was steam released, which has not solid particulate component.

The one thing I would get on the Japananse goverment for is the lack of information in general. it leads to this wild speculation on multiple partie's parts.

 

[Mr. Jones]

Guy's, is this about a pissing contest or the recognition of the true effects, both good and bad, on the Nuclear Industry.

Doesn't a perceived effect become reality when it becomes ingrained in the public opinion?

Doesn't the false perception of security and insignificance about a situation that the government asks the media to portray to the public become ingrained in the public minds and opinions? For example, the financial situation is being portrayed as being fixed by cutting social programs, taxes etc..when in reality it is much worse, but the perception of it being fixed by these actions only and instilling calm to the people, is better so they don't start dump the dollar en mass in favor of tangible things like gold and silver etc.
Hint..You can't always trust what comes out of that TV box and passes for news and reassurances.

When people go running around spouting misinformation and attempting to spread fear and discontent, shouldn't people stand up to them and point to the truth?

That's not what I see happening by reporting on a very real problem with dire possible consequences. It is not misinformation to tell the public the truth and what could occur if it gets worse.

Sure the truth isn't nearly as dramatic or as attention getting as what people like Jones spout, but that is why they make up lies; to grab the attention.

You make up lies about people that are concern and see beyond the headlines, to do exactly that..grab attention and pretend you are unmasking some sort of conspiracy of LIES!! that you make up!!

There was a hiccup at one plant. There is zero evidence anything more happened than what was reported.

As far as you or I know, yes.

There was zero danger. The water temperature went up a whole two degrees and backup systems weren't even needed.

True, but some people look beyond and wonder what were the temps before it went up those 2 degs.? Water boils at 212 degs. And if there was absolutely no danger why all the fuss then??

Two plants are under a potential flood situation and have taken steps to mitigate any ill effects of the rising waters. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission has deemed the mitigation sufficient to ward off the floods.

That's right, 2 plants are in danger of being flooded, and overcome to the point that if things don't go exactly the way they say they will, we could have a very serious situation. And Like others have said, folks are on the edge of nerves because of the incidents in Japan and the lack of information released to the public there. People in charge of situations like this are notorious for keeping a tight lid on them. You should have learned that by now. It doesn't matter what big name authority is saying things that may castrate your intellectual capacity to see beyond what they want you to.

THAT is the truth of the matter. Pretending the cooling system shutdown at Fort Calhoun for 90 minutes is the same as the Fukushima disaster is neither accurate nor responsible.

Wasn't the problem in Japan made worse by the lack of cooling to the plants?? Hmm, perhaps that is why folks made the comparison?
Because if it would have gotten to the worse case scenario, we could have had a disaster!

Pretending there was a radiation leak based on what has happened elsewhere in the past with reporting is neither accurate nor responsible.

This is the most stupid thing you could've said! It is responsible, and by saying the real about this situation, it lets people know of a potential serious problem that may affect them and their families. Why? Because something similar started out almost the same way, that's why.

Claims like Jones' erode the public's confidence in the nuclear reactors based on nothing but fearmongering and lies, not the truth. How can that be good for the nuclear industry?

Hey maybe you can get a job as a spokesman for the nuclear industry instead of wasting your time here everyday. What an ass! Mentioning a potential problem I got from news outlets is just so going to ruin the nuke industry I think the industry has done a fine job doing that themselves, please STFU, you really look foolish as always.

Here in Colorado a plant was just denied construction in Pueblo based on public opinion that was extremely negative. People like Jones pretend they bear no responsibility for the consequences of their irresponsible BS. I don't think that is right, so I speak up and expose the lies for what they are.

You are a fucking paranoid nutcase worse then any of the "conspiracy theorists" you make fun of

Is this a bad thing? Or should we just let the lies rot and fester in the minds of the readers?

What readers?? Is the USMB being used by CNN NBC etc...? Son..it is your mind that has festered and rotted. You are one sick in the head delusional puppy.
I think I have a good guess at figuring you out, here's my take.
Your problem is that you have an inner fear that makes you panic as soon as you might suspect something is wrong, (any situation I assume will do) so you scramble to find comfort in anything that counters the threat, ( you immediately look for anything from any source) and if you find something, you then call those that expose the threat or even mention it LIARS!! and you get all pissed off at us because you blame us for you panic attacks, while you pretend you are a crusader of sorts and are on a mission to ("protect America, the Nuclear Industry etc..) quell all the "LIES" that make you feel uncomfortable and stressed out.
You must go through boatloads of benzos Your mental problems are quite apparent.

 

[Patriot911]

Doesn't a perceived effect become reality when it becomes ingrained in the public opinion?

Doesn't the false perception of security and insignificance about a situation that the government asks the media to portray to the public become ingrained in the public minds and opinions? For example, the financial situation is being portrayed as being fixed by cutting social programs, taxes etc..when in reality it is much worse, but the perception of it being fixed by these actions only and instilling calm to the people, is better so they don't start dump the dollar en mass in favor of tangible things like gold and silver etc.
Hint..You can't always trust what comes out of that TV box and passes for news and reassurances.

So you're using the current financial situation to justify your fearmongering by pretending Fort Calhoun is like Fukushima, we are being lied to about radiation, and the plant is in danger from flooding? Wow.

That's not what I see happening by reporting on a very real problem with dire possible consequences. It is not misinformation to tell the public the truth and what could occur if it gets worse.

The truth according to whom? You? Where is your evidence? The link you posted said it was like Fukushima and we were being lied to about the radiation. THAT is what YOU are reporting. That is not real. That is not the truth. Those are lies designed to spread fear and discontent. The sooner you face up to those truths, the better.

You make up lies about people that are concern and see beyond the headlines, to do exactly that..grab attention and pretend you are unmasking some sort of conspiracy of LIES!! that you make up!!

Where have I lied? You said you didn't make a claim about Fort Calhoun being like Fukushima and I quoted your post where you made the claim. And if you don't believe it is a lie to say Fort Calhoun is like Fukushima, present your evidence of containment breaches and the like.

As far as you or I know, yes.

So why do you report there is more happening that we have not been informed of? Where is your evidence? You've just admitted you don't know.

True, but some people look beyond and wonder what were the temps before it went up those 2 degs.? Water boils at 212 degs. And if there was absolutely no danger why all the fuss then??

Paranoid delusions (wondering and then reporting as fact is indeed a paranoid delusion) based on zero evidence is a lie. If the temperature were higher, why didn't they say it DROPPED two degrees? Why did they say it ONLY went up two degrees?

And the fuss was raised because some uninformed idiots didn't know the difference between a level 4 issue (lowest priority) and a 4 on the International Nuclear Event Scale. The event was out of scale on the International Nuclear Event Scale because nobody was hurt or exposed to radiation.

The fuss was raised because some idiot learned about a no-fly zone over the area and decided it was because of the accident. A little research would have led them to discover the no fly zone was implemented by policy in April when they started the refueling process.

The fuss was raised because some people get their kicks getting other people worked up over nothing. You're not the only one spreading rumors and pretending they are doing it in the name of the public good.

That's right, 2 plants are in danger of being flooded, and overcome to the point that if things don't go exactly the way they say they will, we could have a very serious situation. And Like others have said, folks are on the edge of nerves because of the incidents in Japan and the lack of information released to the public there. People in charge of situations like this are notorious for keeping a tight lid on them. You should have learned that by now. It doesn't matter what big name authority is saying things that may castrate your intellectual capacity to see beyond what they want you to.

Wrong yet again. I make decisions based on evidence, not paranoid delusions. I don't go off half cocked pretending it is justified by one's own paranoia. That is the difference between us. It's been weeks since the fire and NOTHING new has been discovered that would indicate the people were lying or not telling us everything. The flooding situation has been checked and double checked. The Missouri would have to rise FAR above anything ever seen by the Missouri and NOBODY is predicting it will.

So why are you trying to sound the alarm that there is danger? What, besides your own paranoia, is your evidence that there is danger?

Wasn't the problem in Japan made worse by the lack of cooling to the plants?? Hmm, perhaps that is why folks made the comparison?

No cooling for 90 minutes without even having to activate the backup systems doesn't even come close to the same as no cooling for weeks, multiple explosions, all cooling systems down including primary, backup and tertiary systems, and a containment breech.

Maybe you would like to tell us how they are so similar that they deserve comparison? Am I missing something?

Because if it would have gotten to the worse case scenario, we could have had a disaster!

Can't you say that about ANY event? A car accident could start major rioting, looting, anarchy and many people dead in a worst case scenario. Do you preach that every car accident is a major catastrophy waiting to happen? No. Why? Because it is not responsible to pretend every event should be treated as a worst case scenario. That is part of the definition of fearmongering; blowing an event out of proportion in order to instill fear and worry into people.

This is the most stupid thing you could've said!

No, I would have to be quoting you to do that.

It is responsible, and by saying the real about this situation, it lets people know of a potential serious problem that may affect them and their families. Why? Because something similar started out almost the same way, that's why.

WRONG! A 14 foot wall of water from one of the largest tsunamis on record wiping out critical systems at a nuclear power plant that was not prepared for an event of that magnitude is NOT similar to a small fire, a 90 minute outage, no backup systems needing to be fired up, and only a 2 degree rise in cooling temperature. THAT is why I've accused you of fearmongering. It is unreasonable and irresponsible to pretend the two events are in any way similar. Here it is WEEKS later. There have been no new explosions. There has been no recorded radiation leaks. There have been no new reports of failures. Yet here you are preaching they are still the same and that you need to get the word out!

Hey maybe you can get a job as a spokesman for the nuclear industry instead of wasting your time here everyday. What an ass! Mentioning a potential problem I got from news outlets is just so going to ruin the nuke industry I think the industry has done a fine job doing that themselves, please STFU, you really look foolish as always.

Conspiratard sites are NOT news outlets. And I don't give a rat's ass about the nuclear industry. I do give a rat's ass about people spreading lies trying to get people to worry about an event that has shown zero signs of being an event to worry about.

You are a fucking paranoid nutcase worse then any of the "conspiracy theorists" you make fun of

Did that make you feel better?

Is this a bad thing? Or should we just let the lies rot and fester in the minds of the readers?

What readers?? Is the USMB being used by CNN NBC etc...? Son..it is your mind that has festered and rotted. You are one sick in the head delusional puppy.

So nobody else reads this but you and I? Then I am indeed wasting my time. Oh wait! I do beleive other people read this thread!

I think I have a good guess at figuring you out, here's my take.
Your problem is that you have an inner fear that makes you panic as soon as you might suspect something is wrong, (any situation I assume will do) so you scramble to find comfort in anything that counters the threat, ( you immediately look for anything from any source) and if you find something, you then call those that expose the threat or even mention it LIARS!! and you get all pissed off at us because you blame us for you panic attacks, while you pretend you are a crusader of sorts and are on a mission to ("protect America, the Nuclear Industry etc..) quell all the "LIES" that make you feel uncomfortable and stressed out.
You must go through boatloads of benzos Your mental problems are quite apparent.

Wrong yet again. Don't quit whatever day job you may have to become a psychoanalyst because frankly, you suck at it. It wouldn't surprise me to find you are projecting your on perceived shortcomings though.

 

[Mr. Jones]

Doesn't a perceived effect become reality when it becomes ingrained in the public opinion?

Doesn't the false perception of security and insignificance about a situation that the government asks the media to portray to the public become ingrained in the public minds and opinions? For example, the financial situation is being portrayed as being fixed by cutting social programs, taxes etc..when in reality it is much worse, but the perception of it being fixed by these actions only and instilling calm to the people, is better so they don't start dump the dollar en mass in favor of tangible things like gold and silver etc.
Hint..You can't always trust what comes out of that TV box and passes for news and reassurances.

So you're using the current financial situation to justify your fearmongering by pretending Fort Calhoun is like Fukushima, we are being lied to about radiation, and the plant is in danger from flooding? Wow.

More like WOW, you don't comprehend what I said. More like, using the media to instill a perception of calm when the situation can be worse?

The truth according to whom? You? Where is your evidence? The link you posted said it was like Fukushima and we were being lied to about the radiation. THAT is what YOU are reporting. That is not real. That is not the truth. Those are lies designed to spread fear and discontent. The sooner you face up to those truths, the better.

Wrong, you are lying here. Here is my post.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/3756163-post16.html
It mentions that the cooling pool was without power, which is what did actually occur in Japan and cause the problems. So what of it? Is that not what led to the Japanese catastrophe or not?

Where have I lied? You said you didn't make a claim about Fort Calhoun being like Fukushima and I quoted your post where you made the claim.

The similarities are the loss of power to cool the plant. Do you disagree with this?

So why do you report there is more happening that we have not been informed of? Where is your evidence? You've just admitted you don't know.

I reported what an expert says could be a worse outcome. I reported that cooling problems lead to disasters, like what happened in Japan. How is that fearmongering?

Paranoid delusions (wondering and then reporting as fact is indeed a paranoid delusion) based on zero evidence is a lie. If the temperature were higher, why didn't they say it DROPPED two degrees? Why did they say it ONLY went up two degrees?

The question should be what are the temps in the first place?

And the fuss was raised because some uninformed idiots didn't know the difference between a level 4 issue (lowest priority) and a 4 on the International Nuclear Event Scale. The event was out of scale on the International Nuclear Event Scale because nobody was hurt or exposed to radiation.

The fuss was raised for good reasons. An incident that by description is reason for concern. It was reported while also mentioning a cooling system failure, just like in Japan, so what? Is that not what ultimately led to the problems in Japan? Are you now denying this?

The fuss was raised because some idiot learned about a no-fly zone over the area and decided it was because of the accident. A little research would have led them to discover the no fly zone was implemented by policy in April when they started the refueling process.

Link please? According the FAA bulletins it was issued in June.
1/6523 NOTAM Details

The fuss was raised because some people get their kicks getting other people worked up over nothing.

Nuclear alerts over loss of cooling ability, and the threat of historical flooding, is hardly a minor and insignificant events to reasonable people, as you want to lead us to believe.

Wrong yet again. I make decisions based on evidence, not paranoid delusions. I don't go off half cocked pretending it is justified by one's own paranoia. That is the difference between us. It's been weeks since the fire and NOTHING new has been discovered that would indicate the people were lying or not telling us everything. The flooding situation has been checked and double checked. The Missouri would have to rise FAR above anything ever seen by the Missouri and NOBODY is predicting it will.

It can rise to the point of inundating the plants, it is up to the elements that will determine that. And is up to each individual as to how they should interpret the events and possible dangers, not you.

So why are you trying to sound the alarm that there is danger? What, besides your own paranoia, is your evidence that there is danger?

Of course there could be danger, what kind of an idiot are you? Do you not pay attention?

No cooling for 90 minutes without even having to activate the backup systems doesn't even come close to the same as no cooling for weeks, multiple explosions, all cooling systems down including primary, backup and tertiary systems, and a containment breech.

Maybe you would like to tell us how they are so similar that they deserve comparison? Am I missing something?

Again the loss of cooling is a potential serious problem, folks are concerned, as that is what happened in Japan

Can't you say that about ANY event? A car accident could start major rioting, looting, anarchy and many people dead in a worst case scenario. Do you preach that every car accident is a major catastrophy waiting to happen? No. Why? Because it is not responsible to pretend every event should be treated as a worst case scenario. That is part of the definition of fearmongering; blowing an event out of proportion in order to instill fear and worry into people.

A nuclear contamination problem that can potentially effect millions with death and destruction, is like a car accident to you? Really? Do you not see how stupid that is?

WRONG! A 14 foot wall of water from one of the largest tsunamis on record wiping out critical systems at a nuclear power plant that was not prepared for an event of that magnitude is NOT similar to a small fire, a 90 minute outage, no backup systems needing to be fired up, and only a 2 degree rise in cooling temperature. THAT is why I've accused you of fearmongering. It is unreasonable and irresponsible to pretend the two events are in any way similar. Here it is WEEKS later. There have been no new explosions. There has been no recorded radiation leaks. There have been no new reports of failures. Yet here you are preaching they are still the same and that you need to get the word out!

Yeah, and after all that, the end result was a loss of cooling that leads to nuclear reactor meltdowns. What ever causes it, the end result is the same. Nuclear fuel MUST be kept cool for it not to melt. It is a serious situation if not. End of story.

Conspiratard sites are NOT news outlets. And I don't give a rat's ass about the nuclear industry. I do give a rat's ass about people spreading lies trying to get people to worry about an event that has shown zero signs of being an event to worry about.

You reacted as though you are so upset that a news story is hurting the nuke industry! right here!
No one is spreading lies, only reporting what should be a concern especially for local residents. How is that bad?

Claims like Jones' erode the public's confidence in the nuclear reactors based on nothing but fearmongering and lies, not the truth. How can that be good for the nuclear industry?

What readers?? Is the USMB being used by CNN NBC etc...? Son..it is your mind that has festered and rotted. You are one sick in the head delusional puppy.

So nobody else reads this but you and I? Then I am indeed wasting my time. Oh wait! I do beleive other people read this thread!

Not anybody associated with the NRC! yOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME, TRYING TO "SAVE THE WORLD" FROM "FEARMONGERING" What and idiot!

I think I have a good guess at figuring you out, here's my take.
Your problem is that you have an inner fear that makes you panic as soon as you might suspect something is wrong, (any situation I assume will do) so you scramble to find comfort in anything that counters the threat, ( you immediately look for anything from any source) and if you find something, you then call those that expose the threat or even mention it LIARS!! and you get all pissed off at us because you blame us for you panic attacks, while you pretend you are a crusader of sorts and are on a mission to ("protect America, the Nuclear Industry etc..) quell all the "LIES" that make you feel uncomfortable and stressed out.
You must go through boatloads of benzos Your mental problems are quite apparent.

Wrong yet again. Don't quit whatever day job you may have to become a psychoanalyst because frankly, you suck at it. It wouldn't surprise me to find you are projecting your on perceived shortcomings though.

Still fits you to a T

 

[percysunshine]

Has the tidal wave hit Nebraska yet?

This is taking a long time.

 

[Mr. Jones]

Oh lookie here?

Flood berm collapses at Nebraska nuclear plant - US news - Environment - msnbc.com

This is the shit I'm talking about when I say there is a genuine cause for concern. Anything can happen, and down playing such a critical situation is irresponsible. But ahh, don't worry about it, I mean what else could possibly go wrong? We only got 6 inches of rain here yesterday, that couldn't possibly happen near the nuke plant!
And the historical flood waters? Don't worry about that either! The NRC has the power to hold back any dam...
I seriously hope this doesn't get any worse, and am trusting the ingenuity of the professionals involved in the public safety, but it goes to show you..anything can happen..

 

[percysunshine]

The sky is falling!

The sky is falling!

Everyone run away!

 

[Mr. Jones]

The sky is falling!

The sky is falling!

Everyone run away!

Why are you fearmogering?

 

[Patriot911]

Oh lookie here?

Flood berm collapses at Nebraska nuclear plant - US news - Environment - msnbc.com

This is the shit I'm talking about when I say there is a genuine cause for concern. Anything can happen, and down playing such a critical situation is irresponsible. But ahh, don't worry about it, I mean what else could possibly go wrong? We only got 6 inches of rain here yesterday, that couldn't possibly happen near the nuke plant!
And the historical flood waters? Don't worry about that either! The NRC has the power to hold back any dam...
I seriously hope this doesn't get any worse, and am trusting the ingenuity of the professionals involved in the public safety, but it goes to show you..anything can happen..

You either didn't read the article, or read the article and ignore what was written in order to pretend it is a "critical situation". What a crock of shit!

 

[Intense]

A Picture is worth a thousand words, huh.


The Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) said the breach in the 2,000-foot inflatable berm around the Fort Calhoun station occurred around 1:25 a.m. local time.

More than 2 feet of water rushed in around containment buildings and electrical transformers at the 478-megawatt facility located 20 miles north of Omaha.

Reactor shutdown cooling and spent-fuel pool cooling were unaffected, the NRC said.

The plant, operated by the Omaha Public Power District, has been off line since April for refueling.

Crews activated emergency diesel generators after the breach, but restored normal electrical power by Sunday afternoon, the NRC said.

Buildings at the Fort Calhoun plant are watertight, the agency said. It noted that the cause of the berm breach is under investigation.

NRC Chairman Gregory Jaczko and other officials planned to visit the site on Monday.

Floodwaters surround nuke plant after breach | Reuters

How will they visit ??? By Canoe ???

Nothing unusual to see here folks.... Keep moving.... No camera's, no pictures.

 

[Patriot911]

The Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) said the breach in the 2,000-foot inflatable berm around the Fort Calhoun station occurred around 1:25 a.m. local time.

More than 2 feet of water rushed in around containment buildings and electrical transformers at the 478-megawatt facility located 20 miles north of Omaha.

Reactor shutdown cooling and spent-fuel pool cooling were unaffected, the NRC said.

The plant, operated by the Omaha Public Power District, has been off line since April for refueling.

Crews activated emergency diesel generators after the breach, but restored normal electrical power by Sunday afternoon, the NRC said.

Buildings at the Fort Calhoun plant are watertight, the agency said. It noted that the cause of the berm breach is under investigation.

NRC Chairman Gregory Jaczko and other officials planned to visit the site on Monday.

Floodwaters surround nuke plant after breach | Reuters

How will they visit ??? By Canoe ???

Nothing unusual to see here folks.... Keep moving.... No camera's, no pictures.

So what danger are you trying to point out? Want to make a point rather than being facetious?