Nearly all of recent COVID deaths are among the unvaccinated

[Markle]

What really pisses me off is the number of medical professionals who refuse to get vaccinated

I think you wake up pissed but that's another topic.

If those medical professionals are relatively young and are healthy, what is the upside of their taking the vaccine? Nothing. What is the downside? We have no clue. It sounds to me like they are making sound decisions based on their own personal circumstances.

I fully realize that common sense is something the far-left believes that only they possess and therefore must make all decisions for everyone else. HA!

 

[DrLove]

I’m all in favor of letting anti-vax Karens die if that’s what they want.
Problem is, these idiots in southern and intermountain west states where only 30% have vaxed could be a problem for the rest of us.
They are literal Petri dishes for variants, some of which could get past our current vaccines and start killing responsible citizens.

 

[MisterBeale]

But the vaccine also protects against variants, which natural immunity won't.

How do you know that natural immunity won't help you fight it? T-cell & B-cell memory give the immune system memory of past diseases which help fight new infections. Folks that had previous coronaviruses were more successful in fighting this last coronavirus. That whole, "novel," thing was propaganda, to entirely scare folks. Was it a new one? Sure. Did it mean that folks immune systems couldn't deal with it? Of course not.

If a person successfully fought off one COVID infection, what makes you think a person can't fight the variant as well?

Do you even know how the immune system works?

No, I know how to read, though, and while it's still being studied, there have been cases of people recovered from Covid coming down with a variant. At least last I read, that is why they suggest you get vaccinated anyway, especially if you had a mild case which may not have developed a lot of antibodies.

There is more to the immune system than just antibodies.

Innate immune system - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Adaptive immune system - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Markle]

I say Bullshit
Show me any links to the left downplaying the vaccine?

The left said they didn’t trust Trump claims of cures but would trust scientists

These Dems balked at a coronavirus vaccine under Trump. Will they change their tune now?

When President Trump first told the American public that a coronavirus vaccine could come this year -- at the time he said possibly before Election Day -- Democrats including Vice President-elect Kamala Harris said they would not trust Trump as to any vaccine's safety.

www.foxnews.com

 

[MisterBeale]

I know folks, that are not in the high risk group, that welcome getting sick, as every sickness makes their immune system stronger.

Life should not be about trying to avoid getting sick, it should be about making oneself more healthy to avoid getting sick in the first place.


Some feel the science behind traditional vaccines, if not too polluted with additives. . . is sound science.

. . . . the science behind mRNA tech? Well, that is just too new. How, and when do your cells know how to turn off production of artificial production of COVID antibodies when they are no longer needed. . . do they ever? And if not, what is the long term affect on the body of that production?

I don't think anyone knows. . . ?? Do they?

 

[Lastamender]

I know folks, that are not in the high risk group, that welcome getting sick, as every sickness makes their immune system stronger.

Life should not be about trying to avoid getting sick, it should be about making oneself more healthy to avoid getting sick in the first place.


Some feel the science behind traditional vaccines, if not too polluted with additives. . . is sound science.

. . . . the science behind mRNA tech? Well, that is just too new. How, and when do your cells know how to turn off production of artificial production of COVID antibodies when they are no longer needed. . . do they ever? And if not, what is the long term affect on the body of that production?

I don't think anyone knows. . . ?? Do they?

They do not know as opposed to they have been lying from the start about so many things. So when they claim to know it is hard to believe them. 99.7% survival rate. The whole world looks like fools.

 

[westwall]

Darwin Awards are on me.

Darwin awards were invented for people like you.

I got my vaccine

I am not dumb enough to ignore the risk of COVID when there is a vaccine available

No, but you ARE dumb enough to panic about a "pandemic" that 100 years from now no one will be able to prove happened.

 

[meaner gene]

So when they claim to know it is hard to believe them. 99.7% survival rate. The whole world looks like fools.

Let's first debunk that claim of 99.7% survival rate. Simple math shows that's a lie.

If there's 99.7% survival, that means 0.3% death rate. To find the number of infections you divide deaths by the death rate and you get 200,000 people would have had to be infected, which is well over half the population. And that certainly is not the case.

COVID Data Tracker

CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.

covid.cdc.gov

Number of cases 33.4 million

Which puts the actual survival rate at 98.2%

 

[meaner gene]

No, but you ARE dumb enough to panic about a "pandemic" that 100 years from now no one will be able to prove happened.

COVID put a hole in the numbers. From the stock market, to the US population growth, there will always be an asterisk after 2020.

 

[Lastamender]

So when they claim to know it is hard to believe them. 99.7% survival rate. The whole world looks like fools.

Let's first debunk that claim of 99.7% survival rate. Simple math shows that's a lie.

If there's 99.7% survival, that means 0.3% death rate. To find the number of infections you divide deaths by the death rate and you get 200,000 people would have had to be infected, which is well over half the population. And that certainly is not the case.

COVID Data Tracker

CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.

covid.cdc.gov

Number of cases 33.4 million

Which puts the actual survival rate at 98.2%

They are not Covid deaths.

 

[Lastamender]

No, but you ARE dumb enough to panic about a "pandemic" that 100 years from now no one will be able to prove happened.

COVID put a hole in the numbers. From the stock market, to the US population growth, there will always be an asterisk after 2020.

An after the asterisk "DOH"

 

[meaner gene]

Which puts the actual survival rate at 98.2%

They are not Covid deaths.

Here's the number of deaths by cause from 2015 to 2020

Cancers, heart disease etc, are all roughly equal throughout that whole time span, with covid-19 adding to the number of deaths, that went from 2.8 million to 3.3 million due to COVID.

The Leading Causes of Death in the US for 2020

This Viewpoint from the US National Center for Health Statistics reports a 2020 mortality estimate 17.7% higher than that of 2019, with leading causes of death comprising heart disease, cancer, and COVID-19.

jamanetwork.com

Look it up for yourself.

 

[meaner gene]

COVID put a hole in the numbers. From the stock market, to the US population growth, there will always be an asterisk after 2020.

An after the asterisk "DOH"

* - Due to COVID-19 ((SARS-CoV-2)

 

[Lastamender]

Which puts the actual survival rate at 98.2%

They are not Covid deaths.

Here's the number of deaths by cause from 2015 to 2020

Cancers, heart disease etc, are all roughly equal throughout that whole time span, with covid-19 adding to the number of deaths, that went from 2.8 million to 3.3 million due to COVID.

The Leading Causes of Death in the US for 2020

This Viewpoint from the US National Center for Health Statistics reports a 2020 mortality estimate 17.7% higher than that of 2019, with leading causes of death comprising heart disease, cancer, and COVID-19.

jamanetwork.com

Look it up for yourself.

Not interested. There is nothing about Covid that is even near the truth.

 

[meaner gene]

deaths, that went from 2.8 million to 3.3 million due to COVID.

The Leading Causes of Death in the US for 2020

This Viewpoint from the US National Center for Health Statistics reports a 2020 mortality estimate 17.7% higher than that of 2019, with leading causes of death comprising heart disease, cancer, and COVID-19.

jamanetwork.com

Look it up for yourself.

Not interested. There is nothing about Covid that is even near the truth.

One truth, is the number of total dead bodies the US produces every year. Those are facts. You may dispute what they died of but the numbers are simply adding up the number of death certificates issued.

And 2020 showed 500,000 excess deaths. As compared to mortality in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018 and 2019.

 

[flacaltenn]

Darwin Awards are on me.

Darwin awards were invented for people like you.

I got my vaccine

I am not dumb enough to ignore the risk of COVID when there is a vaccine available

But you MIGHT be dumb enough to not figure out why such a large percentage of MEDICAL personnel have NOT chosen to get vaccinated. I preface the following with this disclaimer..

ANYONE over 18 with complicated medical conditions SHOULD BE CV vaxxed...

What THEY and I know -- that you might not..

1) Multiple sources early June stated that almost 1/2 of CDC personnel had STILL not been vaxxed.
2) The number of folks with NATURAL IMMUNITY is AT LEAST twice the number of REPORTED CASES. Many studies think it's more like 4 to 5 times.. That's 66 to 100 million.
3) Recent studies have shown that NATURAL immunity cant be measured by anti-body tests after 9 months, but the NATURAL response is THERE in the bone marrow where it's supposed to hang out and is strong.
4) Vaxxing a person with the mRNA versions of vaccine when they ALREADY HAVE natural immunity HAS NEVER BEEN adequately studied, but NATURAL immunity is ALWAYS the preferred standard.. And MANY specialists see complications to responses to "close variants" as being COMPLICATED by having both conflicting immune system responses to NATURAL antibodies and the mRNA antibodies..
5) Fauci and friends never publicly contemplated FIGURING OUT who has natural immunity before getting sent to be vaccinated. They took off their "science" hats and became PUBLIC HEALTH directors. Public health directives are EDICTS done for simplicity of message and execution.. The public cannot handle complexity in messaging and you can (for instance) KNOW the SCIENCE of "mask wearing" and IGNORE that science to make PUBLIC HEALTH decisions. Which is what the CDC and Fauci did. For instance..
6) Understand the meaning of "emergency use" authorization".. You ARE somewhat of a guinea pig. I'm a guinea pig -- you're a guinea pig - wouldn't you like to be a guinea pig too.. Sing along to the Dr Pepper tune..
7) CDC is NOW hiding the "herd immunity" calculations in the interest of the stone stupid public health edicts.. Fauci has NEVER INCLUDED THE NATURAL IMMUNITY numbers in the herd immunity calculations.. Neither does does the WHouse or Exec.. If you INCLUDE those numbers, YOU DONT NEED 75% of America vaccinated to essentially nullify the virus... WITH natural immunity numbers we are FAR BEYOND any normal benchmarks for "herd immunity" LAST month. -- when you calculate that 66 to 100 Million into the figures.

BECAUSE these discussions NEVER go beyond poking at each other -- there's no real discussion. You got FEELINGS and opinions but never get beyond just sounding angry and confused...

 

[L.K.Eder]

Darwin Awards are on me.

COVID is now killing just those who are too stupid, stubborn or Trump loving to get vaccinated.

Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated

Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. now are in people who weren’t vaccinated, a staggering demonstration of how effective the shots have been and an indication that deaths per day — now down to under 300 — could be practically zero if everyone eligible got the vaccine.

I know a bunch of Liberals who won't get vaccinated and insist everyone near them wear a mask.

of course you do, Münchhausen.

 

[meaner gene]

But you MIGHT be dumb enough to not figure out why such a large percentage of MEDICAL personnel have NOT chosen to get vaccinated....

Actually they rate medical personnel amongst the highest vaccinated.

Doubtful about covid vaccine? It depends on your occupation, study shows

Vaccine hesitancy among working-age adults varies by occupation — and so does their reasoning for being hesitant, a study from University of Pittsburgh and Carnegie Mellon University scientists found. Scientists from the institutions analyzed results from an ongoing national covid-19 survey by...

triblive.com

Among health care workers, pharmacists had the lowest hesitancy at 8.5%, while medical assistants, emergency medical technicians and home health, nursing, psychiatric or personal-care aids had the highest hesitancy at 20.5%, they noted.

 

[OldLady]

Recent studies have shown that NATURAL immunity cant be measured by anti-body tests after 9 months, but the NATURAL response is THERE in the bone marrow where it's supposed to hang out and is strong

If it can't be measured, how do they know it's there? Can you link me on this?

 

[flacaltenn]

Darwin Awards are on me.

COVID is now killing just those who are too stupid, stubborn or Trump loving to get vaccinated.

Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated

Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. now are in people who weren’t vaccinated, a staggering demonstration of how effective the shots have been and an indication that deaths per day — now down to under 300 — could be practically zero if everyone eligible got the vaccine.

Our local death toll went down over the last week. I guess The Big J has come again and resurrected a few.

In ALmeda county Calif. they revised down BY 25%... Because they are now using the NORMAL determination of cause parameters instead of "died WITH covid" -- the smaller number "died BY Covid"...

Have a feeling, the majority of counties haven't gone "back to science" yet...

California county cuts COVID-19 death toll by 25%

Alameda County in California has revised its death toll from COVID down from 1,634 to 1,223, the health agency said on Friday, after concluding that some deaths were wrongly attributed.

www.dailymail.co.uk