National Healthcare in Britain: They just canceled 50,000 surgeries...

[Cecilie1200]

at this rate their health program will rate right there with cuba

another socialist utopia the leftards love so much

We didn't make the top 16.

The 16 countries with the world's best healthcare systems

That's why the rest of the world flocks to the US when they need the best healthcare!

That's why Americans flock to Mexico for affordable healthcare.

Anyone who thinks Mexican healthcare is more desirable than that in the US deserves whatever kills him.

 

[Markle]

at this rate their health program will rate right there with cuba

another socialist utopia the leftards love so much

We didn't make the top 16.

The 16 countries with the world's best healthcare systems

Using life expectancy at birth is a scam. The countries with the longest life expectancies are homogeneous nations. Compare a homogeneous state, such as Minnesota, mostly white and a great many Scandinavians has a life expectancy of 81.5 years. Norway, a homogeneous country has a life expectancy of 81.8 years.

Different countries also have different methods of determining what is or is not a live birth.

You also, somehow, missed this quote from the article about our friends to the North:
Take a look at the top 16 countries below:

16. Canada — Canada's 1984 Health Act entrenches in law the country's system of free at the point of access healthcare, known as Medicare. Canada's system is not perfect however, and in recent years the number of Canadians going south for private care in the USA has grown.

The 16 countries with the world's best healthcare systems

 

[Markle]

Last time I checked the worldwide death rate for the human race was holding steady at 100%

DANG, I thought I'd be an exception!

 

[francoHFW]

Yep.....the problem with socialized medicine...you run out of money......and then you have to stop giving even crap care to your people...and the really funny part....you have taxed those people at about 60% on their incomes to pay for healthcare you will no longer give them.....

Socialized medicine...when you want to pay for healthcare, but don't want actual medical treatment....

Great moments in single payer: Britain cancels 50,000 surgeries - Hot Air

The UK’s vaunted single-payer system has collapsed into “third world” conditions, thanks to a lack of resources that has ambulances unable to pick up patients, who would find difficulty in getting an empty bed at a hospital. The order came down this week from on high to cancel as many as 50,000 scheduled surgeries over the next several weeks until the National Health Service can figure out how to climb out of the hole (via Guy Benson):

SEE ALSO: Iran protests dying down?

Every hospital in the country has been ordered to cancel all non-urgent surgery until at least February in an unprecedented step by NHS officials.

The instructions on Tuesday night – which will see result in around 50,000 operations being axed – followed claims by senior doctors that patients were being treated in “third world” conditions, as hospital chief executives warned of the worst winter crisis for three decades.

Hospitals are reporting growing chaos, with a spike in winter flu leaving frail patients facing 12-hour waits, and some units running out of corridor space.

It’s not just the hospitals, either. The NHS will close down outpatient clinics as well, leaving Britons with very few options for healthcare at the beginning of 2018:

This is all because the Tories, the second worst party in the modern world, keep cutting the funding. The UK spends about 8% of GDP on Healthcare while we're over 17% and most countries spend 10 to 12%. And all of them have better outcomes than we do.

Thank you for admitting the obvious. This, as you know, and like Canada, they are just running out of other people's money.

Please show us your source and links. My bet is, as always, you don't have squat which is why I so seldom read your senseless posts.

Eat s*** and die, ignoramus. Read something this is all well known to people with brains.

 

[Markle]

Canada spends about half of what America spends on medical care, yet they have universal care and better health.

As for the cost of Canadian health care.

Here is a realistic comparison. Prove it wrong.

By Randi Druzin, Contributor | Aug. 3, 2016, at 5:46 a.m.



Crossing the Border for Care
Frustrated by long waits, some Canadians are heading to the U.S. for medical treatment.

Crossing the Border for CareTORONTO — When Sharon Shamblaw was diagnosed last summer with a form of blood cancer that could only be treated with a particular stem cell transplant, the search for a donor began. A Toronto hospital, 100 miles east of her home in St. Mary's, Ontario, and one of three facilities in the province that could provide the life-saving treatment, had an eight-month waiting list for transplants.

Four months after her diagnosis, Shamblaw headed to Buffalo, New York, for treatment. But it was too late. She died at the age of 46, leaving behind a husband and three children, as detailed by the Toronto Star.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-co...dians-increasingly-come-to-us-for-health-care


Statistics Show Canadian Healthcare Is Inferior to American System
The grass isn't greener up north, but there's much more time to look at it while you wait.

By Peter Roff, Contributing Editor for Opinion |July 28, 2009, at 1:45 p.m.

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blog...ada-healthcare-is-inferior-to-american-system


Canada’s single-payer healthcare system is imploding due to skyrocketing costs
Wednesday, August 09, 2017 by Tracey Watson
Canada’s single-payer healthcare system is imploding due to skyrocketing costs

Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada, 2016 Report
— Published on November 23, 2016
Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada, 2016 Report

More?

 

[Markle]

I may be wrong but I think it's illegal to do that in the UK.

It was illegal in Canada as was private practices but Canada's Supreme Court ruled that unconstitutional.

The Awkward World of Private Insurance in the UK
Jan 16, 2012

By Bob Wachter, MD

I remember reading an article that observed that systems of universal insurance – which need to put their energy into providing a “decent minimum” for the masses – must also offer a “safety valve for the wealthy disaffected.” Canada bans private insurance for basic hospital and medical care services. So, when affluent Canadians want “the best,” some of them pop across the border to Cleveland or Ann Arbor.

But from the time of its founding in 1948, the British National Health Service has allowed – and, depending on which party is in power, promoted – a private insurance market. Private insurance in a single payer, government run healthcare system is a funny animal: one part incest, one part conflict of interest, and three parts strange bedfellows. And it’s infinitely fascinating. Here’s how it works:

The insurance part isn’t too difficult to understand. People living in Britain can obtain private insurance, and about 10 percent of them do. About one-third of people with private insurance purchase it with their own money, while the rest receive it as a benefit of employment. Many of the big multinationals provide such insurance, either to all their employees or to senior executives. It’s considered a plum perk for everyone, and most expats coming to work in the UK consider it an essential benefit.


Private insurance covers care provided outside the tax-funded NHS system. Sometimes, people use it to obtain items that the NHS has chosen not to cover, like medications or devices with low cost-effectiveness ratios (as I described in my previous blog on NICE). But that’s unusual. Far more commonly, the insurance is used to purchase services that are freely available in the NHS, such as subspecialty consultation and elective surgery.

http://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2012/01/16/the-awkward-world-of-private-insurance-in-the-uk/

 

[Markle]

Eat s*** and die, ignoramus. Read something this is all well known to people with brains.

Thank you for the kind words and for admitting that you have NOTHING with which to back up you false allegations.

Thank you again!

 

[Markle]

But we have moved up. Under President Obama, we moved up to #35. However, I am sure that President Pussy Grabber can change that. Provided he's not too busy seducing a friends wife. LOL

The United Nations hasn't done that "poll" in many, many years. As you know too, the life expectancy of Americans has dropped the past two years. When did the all saving Obamacare go into effect?

As for seducing, you have him confused with former President Bill Clinton.

David Brock Secretly Paid $200,000 To Bring Forward Trump Accusers In 2016
JOHN SEXTON Posted at 4:01 pm on January 1, 2018

[...]

A nonprofit group founded by the Democratic activist David Brock, which people familiar with the arrangements say secretly spent $200,000 on an unsuccessful effort to bring forward accusations of sexual misconduct against Mr. Trump before Election Day, is considering creating a fund to encourage victims to bring forward similar claims against Republican politicians…

Ms. Allred’s daughter, the lawyer Lisa Bloom, seized on the political potency of sexual harassment charges against Mr. Trump not long after he clinched the Republican presidential nomination. She said she reached out to a pro-Clinton “super PAC” — though she declined to identify which one — for money to help her vet a sexual misconduct claim against Mr. Trump.

That case collapsed one week before Election Day, but as a result of the attention it generated, several donors reached out to Ms. Bloom “asking how they could help,” she said. She told them that she was working with “a few other women” who might “find the courage to speak out” against Mr. Trump if the donors would provide funds for security, relocation and possibly a “safe house.”

Ms. Bloom would not identify the donors. But two Democrats familiar with the arrangements said a nonprofit group founded by Mr. Brock, American Bridge 21st Century Foundation, gave $200,000, while the fashion entrepreneur Susie Tompkins Buell, a major donor to Mr. Brock’s suite of groups, gave $500,000 to Ms. Bloom’s firm for the last-ditch effort.

[...]

David Brock secretly paid $200,000 to bring forward Trump accusers in 2016 - Hot Air

Partisans, Wielding Money, Begin Seeking to Exploit Harassment Claims

 

[BulletProof]

As for the cost of Canadian health care.

Here is a realistic comparison. Prove it wrong.

I'll accept that chart because I trust you.

Middle-class American families with far less than $100K income often pay far over $7000/year for health insurance. Your chart shows someone with a good income, and no doubt they subsidize lower income people, and yet they still pay less than Americans. The bottom line still remains, Canadians spend a lot less and yet have universal coverage.

Do Canadians have longer waits? So? I'd trade cost for longer waits.

One problem with lack of universal care is that more people have untreated diseases and eventually become disabled, and then collect social security disability and then qualify for "free" government medical care. How could you factor that into your chart? A wait of several months for arthritis treatment is no big deal. But, going untreated for years leads to disability.

I don't think Canada has the best system. I just think it's better than ours. Unfortunately, there's no will in America for the best system, a free market.

 

[francoHFW]

But we have moved up. Under President Obama, we moved up to #35. However, I am sure that President Pussy Grabber can change that. Provided he's not too busy seducing a friends wife. LOL

The United Nations hasn't done that "poll" in many, many years. As you know too, the life expectancy of Americans has dropped the past two years. When did the all saving Obamacare go into effect?

Everybody in the world but you knows that happened because of so many deaths because of heroin and Fentanyl....

 

[francoHFW]

Eat s*** and die, ignoramus. Read something this is all well known to people with brains.

Thank you for the kind words and for admitting that you have NOTHING with which to back up you false allegations.

Thank you again!

Here you go dumbass...Health expenditure, total (% of GDP) | Data

 

[Markle]

As for the cost of Canadian health care.

Here is a realistic comparison. Prove it wrong.

I'll accept that chart because I trust you.

Middle-class American families with far less than $100K income often pay far over $7000/year for health insurance. Your chart shows someone with a good income, and no doubt they subsidize lower income people, and yet they still pay less than Americans. The bottom line still remains, Canadians spend a lot less and yet have universal coverage.

Do Canadians have longer waits? So? I'd trade cost for longer waits.

One problem with lack of universal care is that more people have untreated diseases and eventually become disabled, and then collect social security disability and then qualify for "free" government medical care. How could you factor that into your chart? A wait of several months for arthritis treatment is no big deal. But, going untreated for years leads to disability.

I don't think Canada has the best system. I just think it's better than ours. Unfortunately, there's no will in America for the best system, a free market.

Their waiting lists are legendary. They're getting longer and cost many lives. Those who do not have the money to seek out a private physician in Canada or come to the U.S. are left to die.

 

[Markle]

Eat s*** and die, ignoramus. Read something this is all well known to people with brains.

Thank you for the kind words and for admitting that you have NOTHING with which to back up you false allegations.

Thank you again!

Here you go dumbass...Health expenditure, total (% of GDP) | Data

But I thought Obamacare was going to lower costs.

 

[francoHFW]

Eat s*** and die, ignoramus. Read something this is all well known to people with brains.

Thank you for the kind words and for admitting that you have NOTHING with which to back up you false allegations.

Thank you again!

Here you go dumbass...Health expenditure, total (% of GDP) | Data

But I thought Obamacare was going to lower costs.

Only GOP dupes believed it was going to happen immediately. And of course It would help if the GOP and its crony insurors would stop sabotaging it... It has lowered the cost rise curve already Even so.

 

[francoHFW]

Eat s*** and die, ignoramus. Read something this is all well known to people with brains.

Thank you for the kind words and for admitting that you have NOTHING with which to back up you false allegations.

Thank you again!

Here you go dumbass...Health expenditure, total (% of GDP) | Data

But I thought Obamacare was going to lower costs.

By the way do you have any shame at all. The number of times I've proven you to be a loudmouth insulting idiot is in the hundreds by now...

 

[Slyhunter]

Yep.....the problem with socialized medicine...you run out of money......and then you have to stop giving even crap care to your people...and the really funny part....you have taxed those people at about 60% on their incomes to pay for healthcare you will no longer give them.....

Socialized medicine...when you want to pay for healthcare, but don't want actual medical treatment....

Great moments in single payer: Britain cancels 50,000 surgeries - Hot Air

The UK’s vaunted single-payer system has collapsed into “third world” conditions, thanks to a lack of resources that has ambulances unable to pick up patients, who would find difficulty in getting an empty bed at a hospital. The order came down this week from on high to cancel as many as 50,000 scheduled surgeries over the next several weeks until the National Health Service can figure out how to climb out of the hole (via Guy Benson):

SEE ALSO: Iran protests dying down?

Every hospital in the country has been ordered to cancel all non-urgent surgery until at least February in an unprecedented step by NHS officials.

The instructions on Tuesday night – which will see result in around 50,000 operations being axed – followed claims by senior doctors that patients were being treated in “third world” conditions, as hospital chief executives warned of the worst winter crisis for three decades.

Hospitals are reporting growing chaos, with a spike in winter flu leaving frail patients facing 12-hour waits, and some units running out of corridor space.

It’s not just the hospitals, either. The NHS will close down outpatient clinics as well, leaving Britons with very few options for healthcare at the beginning of 2018:

Why don't these people just pay for health insurance and get their surgery done privately?
It works so well in the US.

I may be wrong but I think it's illegal to do that in the UK.

No, it's not illegal.
Everyone has the choice to get health insurance.

I believe it's illegal to pay a doctor cash to bypass the country's healthcare ques.

 

[idb]

Yep.....the problem with socialized medicine...you run out of money......and then you have to stop giving even crap care to your people...and the really funny part....you have taxed those people at about 60% on their incomes to pay for healthcare you will no longer give them.....

Socialized medicine...when you want to pay for healthcare, but don't want actual medical treatment....

Great moments in single payer: Britain cancels 50,000 surgeries - Hot Air

The UK’s vaunted single-payer system has collapsed into “third world” conditions, thanks to a lack of resources that has ambulances unable to pick up patients, who would find difficulty in getting an empty bed at a hospital. The order came down this week from on high to cancel as many as 50,000 scheduled surgeries over the next several weeks until the National Health Service can figure out how to climb out of the hole (via Guy Benson):

SEE ALSO: Iran protests dying down?

Every hospital in the country has been ordered to cancel all non-urgent surgery until at least February in an unprecedented step by NHS officials.

The instructions on Tuesday night – which will see result in around 50,000 operations being axed – followed claims by senior doctors that patients were being treated in “third world” conditions, as hospital chief executives warned of the worst winter crisis for three decades.

Hospitals are reporting growing chaos, with a spike in winter flu leaving frail patients facing 12-hour waits, and some units running out of corridor space.

It’s not just the hospitals, either. The NHS will close down outpatient clinics as well, leaving Britons with very few options for healthcare at the beginning of 2018:

Why don't these people just pay for health insurance and get their surgery done privately?
It works so well in the US.

I may be wrong but I think it's illegal to do that in the UK.

No, it's not illegal.
Everyone has the choice to get health insurance.

I believe it's illegal to pay a doctor cash to bypass the country's healthcare ques.

You believe wrong.

 

[deanrd]

Yep.....the problem with socialized medicine...you run out of money......and then you have to stop giving even crap care to your people...and the really funny part....you have taxed those people at about 60% on their incomes to pay for healthcare you will no longer give them.....

Socialized medicine...when you want to pay for healthcare, but don't want actual medical treatment....

Great moments in single payer: Britain cancels 50,000 surgeries - Hot Air

The UK’s vaunted single-payer system has collapsed into “third world” conditions, thanks to a lack of resources that has ambulances unable to pick up patients, who would find difficulty in getting an empty bed at a hospital. The order came down this week from on high to cancel as many as 50,000 scheduled surgeries over the next several weeks until the National Health Service can figure out how to climb out of the hole (via Guy Benson):

SEE ALSO: Iran protests dying down?

Every hospital in the country has been ordered to cancel all non-urgent surgery until at least February in an unprecedented step by NHS officials.

The instructions on Tuesday night – which will see result in around 50,000 operations being axed – followed claims by senior doctors that patients were being treated in “third world” conditions, as hospital chief executives warned of the worst winter crisis for three decades.

Hospitals are reporting growing chaos, with a spike in winter flu leaving frail patients facing 12-hour waits, and some units running out of corridor space.

It’s not just the hospitals, either. The NHS will close down outpatient clinics as well, leaving Britons with very few options for healthcare at the beginning of 2018:

Your signature line:

democrat party = hate, violence, racism and crime

--every time a life is ruined with leftist good intentions, a leftist gets their wings....

So what does your kind stand for? Give us some policies to back up whatever you spew.

 

[deanrd]

This is "Hot Air", they don't citation anything, you know nothing about the surgeries maybe they are all elective and for things like moles.

It's the UK Telegraph

NHS hospitals ordered to cancel all routine operations in January as flu spike and bed shortages lead to A&E crisis

And why don't you provide us with some evidence that these are elective mole removals.

Flu can be pretty bad if they don't get the combination right in the preventive shots.

 

[Markle]

This is what Democrats want for Americans. It's not about improving health care for Americans; it's about dragging us all down to equal substandard care, but hey, everyone will have it and it will be "free."

If it is so substandard, then why does their population enjoy better health outcomes?

Your reliable source and the link will be greatly appreciated.

The report compared the U.S. infant mortality rate with that of 28 other developed countries. The CDC defines infant mortality as the death of a baby before his or her first birthday.

In 2010, there were 6.1 deaths for every 1,000 live births in the United States, which was higher than the rates of 25 other countries in the report, including Hungary, Poland, the United Kingdom and Australia.

In the top-ranked countries, Finland and Japan, the infant mortality rate was 2.3 deaths per 1,000 live births — less than half the rate in the United States. [7 Facts About Home Births]

Despite improvements in the U.S. infant mortality rate since 2005, "This pattern of high infant mortality rates in the United States when compared with other developed countries has persisted for many years," the researchers at the CDC's National Center for Health Statistics wrote in the report.

US Ranks Behind 25 Other Countries in Infant Mortality


Back in 1990, shouts a new study published last week in the prestigious Journal of the American Medical Association, the United States ranked just 20th on life expectancy among the world’s 34 industrial nations. The United States now ranks 27th — despite spending much more on health care than any other nation.

Americans, notes an editorial the journal ran to accompany the study, are losing ground globally “by every” health measure.

Why such poor performance? Media reports on last week’s new State of U.S. Healthstudy hit all the usual suspects: poor diet, poor access to affordable health care, poor personal health habits, and just plain poverty.

Why Is Our Life Expectancy Shorter Than in Other Developed Countries?

There you go.

Too bad you can't accept the fact that many, if not all of those countries, measure their infant mortality far differently than we do in the United States. The United States marks a live birth if the infant took a single breath. Other countries do not count a live birth if it is too many weeks premature even if the infant is breathing. Some do not count a live birth until the infant reaches one week old.

But, like all Progressives, details and facts are irritating things aren't they?