You provide sources that fit your insane idea of the history of the region and it's peoples, most of which have been debunked, at best. The reason you provide these types of sources is because you are not informed or familiar enough about the history of the region, so you pounce on anything that you can find, not knowing how ridiculous the assertions are. I don't think you'll find too many Palestinian Arabs that claim "we are the same as the Jews". Ha ha ha.
Ok. You might be right at that.
The issue is not their comments - it's yours. What is your intention in posting this? To marginalize them?
"There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity... yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel".
- Zuhair Muhsin, military commander of the PLO and member of the PLO Executive Council -
My point though, about the quotes is that out of context quotes are lousy at proving a point and you, Roudy, should know that because how often are partial anti-Zionist quotes taken out of context and used to bolster an argument of genocide? Do you keep to the same standard as here and claim context doesn't matter?
I'll give you one thing, in that at the same time these quotes are discrediting a Palestinian identity, they are also attacking the concept of Zionism.
But the main point of this thread is that it was also many prominent Arabs that questioned a separate Palestinian identity.
Ok, good point - I can accept that
As far as marginalization, why are you Pali supporters so thin skinned?
Perhaps for the same reason why some on the pro-Israel side is very defensive and thin skinned about any criticism of Israel - even when warranted? I don't happen to think the Palestinians are angels and there actions have not helped their cause any and in fact they are their own worst enemy much of the time. However - I think you'll notice here that the "pro-Israel side" vastly outnumbers the "pro-Palestinian" side. I think someone should speak for the Palestinians because there is more than one side to this complex issue and both sides involve human beings, families, children and roots - not just anonymous groups of people with labels.
What I object to is attempts to
disenfranchise a people's legitimacy to a territory and
I've said the same thing about those who try to claim that the Jews are not indiginous and therefore have no rights. It almost always seems to lead to statements justifying sending all Palestinians to Jordan and Syria or Jews back to Europe - both of which are unrealistic, inhumane and unjust.
I don't see you crying wolf about all the posts calling the IDF "child killers who target civilians intentionally"
I have objected to that when a certain poster goes on about it - I have also stated
multiple times that Israel does make a big effort to avoid civilian casualties when it can much of the time, a big difference from Hamas who targets civilians. Why do you ignore it?
or "Israeli apartheid" or how about you-know-who that always makes sure to include some type of anti Semitic vomit in each of his posts. Where's your false outrage and "let's not jump to conclusions" there?
I happen to think there is a de-facto apartheid system in Israel due to inequeties in justice, water rights, land rights, building permits and family unification laws. That's been my opinion so I'm not "outraged".
As to the "anti-semitic vomit" - there are a posters that are just better to ignore, including those who spew "anti-muslim vomit". For some folks, their views aren't going to change and more - they have no desire to really discuss things. Why waste the effort - I don't have to prove anything to anyone, I like to understand different points of view and that's impossible when someone spouts vitriole, insults or views garnered from hate sites. It's also impossible to discuss issues when posters dogpile other posters rather than attacking their arguments and it turns into a free-for all.
I am under no obligation to address each and every comment in IP- and I won't. I'll respond to what I feel like as you do and just as HB67 does. I don't notice you being "outraged" at some of the things said about Muslims and Palestinians but then you've also made your feelings clear, multiple times - and that's your perogative. For some reason, you expect me to be neutral or even handed on all the issues but I'm not - I have things I agree with and things I disagree with but folks start shoving people into "pro-Pali" and "pro-Israeli" camps and then get incensed when they aren't all one or the other becuase the issues at play aren't all one or the other.
