Zone1 My issue with Trump is more on morality than on political positions.

[ElmerMudd]

Only a true bigot sees that meme as anything other than malicious hate propaganda.

I wish we could give you somebody perfect, who has nothing bad in his/her past, never does anything wrong, is exemplary in every way. But God already has a job.

That isn't Trump.

And that damn sure isn't you who posts something so dishonest. You certainly have no leg to stand on to criticize somebody else's morality.

But at least President Trump loves America and Americans and pretty much everything he has done as President has made things better.

I can't think of a thing you have done that has made things better for anybody. Can you?

Nobody is perfect BUT:

A. Moral Character Matters for Leadership​

Many pastors, theologians, and Christian ethicists argue that:

• a leader’s personal character is inseparable from moral leadership,
• virtues like honesty, humility, fidelity, and kindness are central to Christian ethics.

Common criticisms include:

• frequent dishonesty,
• disrespectful or demeaning rhetoric,
• reports of sexual misconduct,
• lack of compassion toward immigrants, the poor, or political opponents.

B. Concern About “Christian Witness”​

Some Christian leaders say supporting Trump harms the public credibility (“witness”) of the church by appearing to endorse behavior inconsistent with the teachings of Jesus.

C. Warnings Against Political Idolatry​

Prominent Christian thinkers argue that unconditional loyalty to any political figure—Trump included—can become a form of idolatry, subordinating Christ’s teachings to partisan messaging.

 

[Foxfyre]

Nobody is perfect BUT:

A. Moral Character Matters for Leadership​

Many pastors, theologians, and Christian ethicists argue that:

• a leader’s personal character is inseparable from moral leadership,
• virtues like honesty, humility, fidelity, and kindness are central to Christian ethics.

Common criticisms include:

• frequent dishonesty,
• disrespectful or demeaning rhetoric,
• reports of sexual misconduct,
• lack of compassion toward immigrants, the poor, or political opponents.

B. Concern About “Christian Witness”​

Some Christian leaders say supporting Trump harms the public credibility (“witness”) of the church by appearing to endorse behavior inconsistent with the teachings of Jesus.

C. Warnings Against Political Idolatry​

Prominent Christian thinkers argue that unconditional loyalty to any political figure—Trump included—can become a form of idolatry, subordinating Christ’s teachings to partisan messaging.

And morality requires us to be honest, most especially when it comes to false witness. You weren't.

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

I do look at myself and acknowledge my mistakes and try to correct them.
If Jesus were on earth, in the USA, today, what would he be doing concerning the illegal immigrants at the border. Would he be supporting what Trump is doing.

In the era of Jesus, there were no actual borders. Empires like Rome's, controlled certain regions but there were no defined borders or customs control. So, Jesus would have no conceptualization about it.
Once actual nation states were created, those nation states wanted only those who were similarly aligned in culture and language. They created border and custom control. They became a sort of an "if you want to be in our society, you have to learn our language and agree to live similarly to us," club, which was and remains logical.
For instance, take the USA. Our nation is a Constitutional Republic which allows for the direct elections of our House and Senate representatives and an Electoral College decision on the president. Imbedded in the Constitution are also our Constitutional rights (freedoms) via the Amendments. As long as people coming in, are seeking to "belong" to the "club" and not trying to come in via illegal means and undermine the Constitution, its granted freedoms and wants to uphold the freedoms given, they are fine.
But, there are bad actors already within and those who seek to enter the nation and change it entirely. Eliminate the people's rights and freedoms and create a nation that is authoritarian, tyrannical and outright murderous to the citizens that don't agree with them.
The following are incompatible to this nation:
Theocracy.
Communism.
Socialism.
Marxism.
Old style Monarchy.
Military Junta.
They simply do not allow for those freedoms and rights granted in the Constitution.
The world is a complicated place and Jesus.......well, he lived in an extremely simple time with a primitive menality.

 

[playtime]

1)
I am the LORD your God; you shall not have strange gods before me.

2)
You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.

West Virginia lawmaker calls out Trump for ‘using Lord’s name in vain’ during rally​

By Caleb Parke Fox News
Published July 19, 2019 12:27pm EDT
West Virginia lawmaker calls out Trump for ‘using Lord’s name in vain’ during rally

3)
Remember to keep holy the LORD’s Day.



4)
Honor your father and mother.
meh ... pass.

5)
You shall not kill.
can't prove anything.

6)
You shall not commit adultery.



7)
You shall not steal.

Donald J. Trump Pays Court-Ordered $2 Million For Illegally Using Trump Foundation Funds ​

Donald J. Trump Pays Court-Ordered $2 Million For Illegally Using Trump Foundation Funds
8)

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
False or misleading statements by Donald Trump - Wikipedia

& there are a multitude other sources

9)
You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife.



10)
You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods.

Vera Coking, an elderly widow from Atlantic City, knows firsthand the power of unaccountable government agencies. The Institute for Justice successfully defended Vera against the condemnation of her home by a State agency that sought to take her property and transfer it—at a bargain-basement price—to another private individual: Donald Trump. Trump convinced the State agency to use its “eminent domain” power to take Vera’s home so he could construct a limousine parking lot for his customers—hardly a public purpose. And unfortunately, cases in which government agencies act not as protectors of constitutionally guaranteed rights, but instead as agents for powerful, private interests, have become all too common.

Thanks to IJ’s advocacy, Vera Coking won in court and enjoyed her home of more than three decades.
https://ij.org/case/casino-reinvestment-development-authority-v-coking/

https://ij.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Daily_News_6-21-98.pdf

 

[Winco]

President Trump is willing to fight for ordinary Americans and he is willing to die for them as well.

Not even close to reality.

Trump is the most self-centered individual in the history of politics.
He care ONLY about himself.

Dear Lord.

 

[ElmerMudd]

And morality requires us to be honest, most especially when it comes to false witness. You weren't.

What did I say that was not true.

 

[ElmerMudd]

In the era of Jesus, there were no actual borders. Empires like Rome's, controlled certain regions but there were no defined borders or customs control. So, Jesus would have no conceptualization about it.
Once actual nation states were created, those nation states wanted only those who were similarly aligned in culture and language. They created border and custom control. They became a sort of an "if you want to be in our society, you have to learn our language and agree to live similarly to us," club, which was and remains logical.
For instance, take the USA. Our nation is a Constitutional Republic which allows for the direct elections of our House and Senate representatives and an Electoral College decision on the president. Imbedded in the Constitution are also our Constitutional rights (freedoms) via the Amendments. As long as people coming in, are seeking to "belong" to the "club" and not trying to come in via illegal means and undermine the Constitution, its granted freedoms and wants to uphold the freedoms given, they are fine.
But, there are bad actors already within and those who seek to enter the nation and change it entirely. Eliminate the people's rights and freedoms and create a nation that is authoritarian, tyrannical and outright murderous to the citizens that don't agree with them.
The following are incompatible to this nation:
Theocracy.
Communism.
Socialism.
Marxism.
Old style Monarchy.
Military Junta.
They simply do not allow for those freedoms and rights granted in the Constitution.
The world is a complicated place and Jesus.......well, he lived in an extremely simple time with a primitive menality.

What are you saying? The Constitution does not over ride the word of God. The basic principles taught in the Bible can be, and must be, applied to the world today. I have no idea what you were babbling about.

 

[DennisPTate]

Not even close to reality.

Trump is the most self-centered individual in the history of politics.
He care ONLY about himself.

Dear Lord.

No, but it is a known aspect of psychology that the issues and problems that we see in others are often right there within ourselves? Either you have these types of problems yourself or you have known so many people who have these problems that you cannot see that in spite of the fact that President Trump is NOT a great diplomat, still he is hoping to go down in history as having played around in the same general league as President Abraham Lincoln, Presiden J. F. K. and President Ronald Reagan.

 

[Winco]

the fact that President Trump is NOT a great diplomat, still he is hoping to go down in history as having played around in the same general league.

Exactly, he is nowhere near being in that league, but he wants you to believe he is. He will make up awards to glorify himself. The FIFA Peace Prize is a joke and all of us Americans should be embarrassed, but I guess you aren't.
You believe that this FAKE AWARD actually helps his standing.

Currently, most every Historical Ranking of Presidents has trump at or near the bottom.

 

[ding]

I live my life ruled by morality.

You've never done anything immoral ever?

 

[ding]

Moral Character Matters for Leadership

Absolutely. Too bad few are all good all of the time. I tend to believe the people get the leadership they deserve. The leadership that reflects their values. Of course most won't see it that way, but they are dumb.

 

[ElmerMudd]

No, but it is a known aspect of psychology that the issues and problems that we see in others are often right there within ourselves? Either you have these types of problems yourself or you have known so many people who have these problems that you cannot see that in spite of the fact that President Trump is NOT a great diplomat, still he is hoping to go down in history as having played around in the same general league as President Abraham Lincoln, Presiden J. F. K. and President Ronald Reagan.

You need to be brain dead to not realize that Tump is EXTREMELY self-centered

 

[ElmerMudd]

You've never done anything immoral ever?

No I have have done immoral things. But I try not to.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

My issue with Trump is more on morality than on political positions.

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Did you ever read the story about the talking Jackass? Or King David who had a man murdered so he could steal his wife?

God is only able to use perfect men? Why do you limit God?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

No I have have done immoral things. But I try not to.

And yet God didn't choose you to lead the country

 

[ElmerMudd]

Did you ever read the story about the talking Jackass? Or King David who had a man murdered so he could steal his wife?

God is only able to use perfect men? Why do you limit God?

No human is perfect. Some try harder to do what is right, follow the word of God, than others.
Some don't seem to try at all. I put Trump in that category.

 

[ElmerMudd]

And yet God didn't choose you to lead the country

Do you think every President of the USA was chosen by God?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Jesus were on earth, in the USA, today, what would he be doing concerning the illegal immigrants at the border. Would he be supporting what Trump is doing

You don't know this, but when Christ returns to this earth to rule from Jerusalem, HE will be returning nations and people back to the borders He intended
Arabs will go back to their own lands, and leave the LAND OF ISRAEL
Blacks will return to their ancestral home.

Yes, Christ will move the "immigrants"

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I live my life ruled by morality. The actions you claim are not moral.
The fact your mind comes up with that scenario, I question your morality.

By what standard, by whose authority do you drive YOUR morality?

 

[ElmerMudd]

By what standard, by whose authority do you drive YOUR morality?

The morals I learned within the culture I grew up in. Attending a Christian church had the biggest influence on what I consider moral.