my brother the marine says DEPLETED URANUIM is harmless

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Supposedly sitting in a tank made of Chobham slab which contains DU for a few hours is like getting an xray. So not truely harmful, it would have a minor hazard over long long periods of time.

interesting..that is the extent of the DU usage? how bout in artillery ?

DU heavy armor is welded between two steel armor plates. Alpha radiation can not penetrate steel (it can not penetrate skin or even a thin sheet of paper). Sitting in a tank for an entire war is not hazardous at all and not the equivalent of getting an x-ray.

DU is not used by artillery. There are no DU kinetic energy penetrator rounds for artillery cannon.

 

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I see where Group Think claims that Rokke is no "activist" - no, he probably is not, he is a con artist looking for suckers to impress. He has a PhD, but it is in Vocational Education and the exciting thesis was titled "Perceived physics concepts needed to teach secondary technology education as general education" - nothing to do with DU. Rokke is a retired Army RESERVE Major (Rokke was not career Army, his act makes that claim, but he actually served less than two years as a reserve officer in the active Army, the rest of his about 22 years was spent in the Army National Guard and Reserve in Illinois - he also spent almost four years in the active Air Force when he enlisted as an avionics technician straight out of high school in 1967. He did not join the Illinois Guard until 1980 so there was an over eight year gap between being discharged from the Air Force and joining the Illinois Army Guard. Rokke's various bios have claimed he is a 40 year veteran career soldier - he was forcibly retired from the Army Reserve in 2003, so that cuts his potential career to 36 years and then there is the over 8 year gap so it is really about 26 years of active/and mainly inactive Guard/Reserve service. First Lieutenant Doug Rokke was ordered to Desert Storm/Desert Shield and served in Riyadh during the war. Rokke has claimed combat service in Vietnam and Desert Storm. Rokke never served in combat in either war. Rokke has claimed to have treated front line casualties. Rokke never treated any front line casualties. He did minor first aid, treating DU-contaminated cuts by cleaning out the cuts and binding them with BandAids and SteriStrips when he was flown into Iraq in April 1991 after a tank that was being towed home caught fire and its onboard DU rounds began to cook off. That was as close to treating front line casualties as Rokke ever got, but the war had been over for four months, so it was certainly not the front line of combat. Rokke slandered me through his mouthpiece Nichols in 2004 and I have been researching Rokke ever since. I have over half of his Army records, his University of Illinois personnel records and even have corresponded with Jacksonville State University in Alabama and people who knew him at Fort McClellan, Alabama. Rokke is a superb self-promoter playing a role he created when he first spoke to an anti-Sanctions rally at Cambridge University. It is a well rehearsed role and he gives a very polished performance, but it is all fake and those who buy into it are just sincere, naive dupes.

 

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groupthink asked]

how come the pentagon has never been able to use it before?

DU was fielded in the late 70's as a stopper to the expected Soviet Bloc armored thrust across the North German Plain that was to begin WW-III. Thankfully, the Soviet Union collapsed and Europe and the World were spared a third world war. DU was used in Desert Storm because Saddam Hussein had one of the largest armored forces in the world and he had Soviet built tanks that were just exactly the type of target that the DU kinetic energy penetrator was designed to kill. The Serbian forces also had Soviet style tanks.

you are telling me DU is not a toxin and has no side effects? --

Uranium is a heavy metal and as such is toxic in high dosage. A technician intentionally overdosed on Uranium salts and survived after being in intensive care. His kidneys nearly failed, but he is still alive. None of the Desert Storm or Iraqi Freedom veterans has experienced kidney failure and only three out of 1700 that were tested by the VA in Baltimore were found to have DU and those soldiers had been crewmen in Bradley Fighting Vehicles hit by DU "friendly fire".

have you tolld all the veterans that the DU that killed and is killing them is harmless?

They would be very difficult to tell since they really do not exist. There is one case in UK, where a coroner's jury, after hearing from an anti-DU activist and pseudoscientist who claimed that UN findings were wrong after they thoroughly examined 32 sites where Hezbollah sympathizers had claimed DU-tipped bunker buster bombs had been used and found no evidence of processed uranium, found that a UK soldier had died of DU caused colon cancer. No evidence of this being a medical consequence of DU exposure was every presented and the coroner appears to have almost been a member of the anti-DU crusade himself. There may be some cases where the VA has bent over backwards to satisfy a veteran or veterans's family. In fact, there may have been a service-connected cause, but over 100 years of research into uranium miners and their families has found no evidence of Uranium caused disease.

 

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groupthink asked]

how come the pentagon has never been able to use it before?

DU was fielded in the late 70's as a stopper to the expected Soviet Bloc armored thrust across the North German Plain that was to begin WW-III. Thankfully, the Soviet Union collapsed and Europe and the World were spared a third world war. DU was used in Desert Storm because Saddam Hussein had one of the largest armored forces in the world and he had Soviet built tanks that were just exactly the type of target that the DU kinetic energy penetrator was designed to kill. The Serbian forces also had Soviet style tanks.

you are telling me DU is not a toxin and has no side effects? --

Uranium is a heavy metal and as such is toxic in high dosage. A technician intentionally overdosed on Uranium salts and survived after being in intensive care. His kidneys nearly failed, but he is still alive. None of the Desert Storm or Iraqi Freedom veterans has experienced kidney failure and only three out of 1700 that were tested by the VA in Baltimore were found to have DU and those soldiers had been crewmen in Bradley Fighting Vehicles hit by DU "friendly fire".

have you tolld all the veterans that the DU that killed and is killing them is harmless?

They would be very difficult to tell since they really do not exist. There is one case in UK, where a coroner's jury, after hearing from an anti-DU activist and pseudoscientist who claimed that UN findings were wrong after they thoroughly examined 32 sites where Hezbollah sympathizers had claimed DU-tipped bunker buster bombs had been used and found no evidence of processed uranium, found that a UK soldier had died of DU caused colon cancer. No evidence of this being a medical consequence of DU exposure was every presented and the coroner appears to have almost been a member of the anti-DU crusade himself. There may be some cases where the VA has bent over backwards to satisfy a veteran or veterans's family. In fact, there may have been a service-connected cause, but over 100 years of research into uranium miners and their families has found no evidence of Uranium caused disease.

Did Russia Today tell you that?

 

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groupthink asked]

how come the pentagon has never been able to use it before?

DU was fielded in the late 70's as a stopper to the expected Soviet Bloc armored thrust across the North German Plain that was to begin WW-III. Thankfully, the Soviet Union collapsed and Europe and the World were spared a third world war. DU was used in Desert Storm because Saddam Hussein had one of the largest armored forces in the world and he had Soviet built tanks that were just exactly the type of target that the DU kinetic energy penetrator was designed to kill. The Serbian forces also had Soviet style tanks.

you are telling me DU is not a toxin and has no side effects? --

Uranium is a heavy metal and as such is toxic in high dosage. A technician intentionally overdosed on Uranium salts and survived after being in intensive care. His kidneys nearly failed, but he is still alive. None of the Desert Storm or Iraqi Freedom veterans has experienced kidney failure and only three out of 1700 that were tested by the VA in Baltimore were found to have DU and those soldiers had been crewmen in Bradley Fighting Vehicles hit by DU "friendly fire".

have you tolld all the veterans that the DU that killed and is killing them is harmless?

They would be very difficult to tell since they really do not exist. There is one case in UK, where a coroner's jury, after hearing from an anti-DU activist and pseudoscientist who claimed that UN findings were wrong after they thoroughly examined 32 sites where Hezbollah sympathizers had claimed DU-tipped bunker buster bombs had been used and found no evidence of processed uranium, found that a UK soldier had died of DU caused colon cancer. No evidence of this being a medical consequence of DU exposure was every presented and the coroner appears to have almost been a member of the anti-DU crusade himself. There may be some cases where the VA has bent over backwards to satisfy a veteran or veterans's family. In fact, there may have been a service-connected cause, but over 100 years of research into uranium miners and their families has found no evidence of Uranium caused disease.

Tell that to the Navajo Nation. Many people I know have been affected.



from the link;

"Increased Risk of Kidney Disease

Ongoing studies by the University of New Mexico showed that long-term exposure to uranium increased the risk of kidney disease for people in 20 Navajo Nation chapters on the Eastern Agency.

"I'm against it right now," Eskeets said about the talk of future ISO mining in Crownpoint. "I'm hurting right now."

The Associated Press reported:

New Mexico was a leading producer of uranium from the 1950s into the 1980s, when the price of uranium plummeted and mines and mills closed. The era's legacy remains in hundreds of abandoned uranium mines in New Mexico and the Navajo Nation.

Uranium mined from the 1940s into the 1970s went to the United States' defense, and many say history obligates the federal government to help reclaim areas the mines damaged."




link;

Navajos Observe 30th Anniversary of Uranium Spill | Reznet News



your lack of knowledge about the situation leads me to think the rest of your post is also bullshit.