Muslims who refuse to Integrate

[anotherlife]

Well, it is true, that it was the western nation states than exported nationalism into Islam, and thus radicalized Islam. Something a western academic will never think of.

Islam has never not been radical. Radical since 622 AD and the writing and distribution of the Koran. 270 million people killed by marauding Muslims since then, exporting their lunacy around the planet.

Yes, but nationalism did double Islam down, in all its violence. At least in my observation. The Ottoman Empire has never imagined to be as belligerent as the Muslims today, and the Ottomans were no sissies.

If you ignore the constant war between Muslim and Christians you could say that..It was not until christian nations attained more firepower that the christians started to push back and contain the Muslim armies, and eventually occupy Muslim lands at will.....
The whole radical Islam portion is not as wide spread among Muslims as some would have you believe..It is only certain tribes or organizations which practice it, and it is used as a tool against Muslim govts. also..

There may be a lot of manipulation about this in the media. But that "radical" Islam is more isolated than the norm is a cliche that liberal socialist western governments use to pacify reaction to all sorts of government initiated atrocities. It is a fact recorded in history, that it was the Muslims that depopulated south east Europe. We could open a discussion whether the Muslims should depopulate Western Europe too. In either case, the Byzantine Varangian guard and Charles the Hammer were effective in establishing a long term boundary against Muslim expansion even before technology gave the west an edge.

 

[pismoe]

Yes, but nationalism did double Islam down, in all its violence. At least in my observation. The Ottoman Empire has never imagined to be as belligerent as the Muslims today, and the Ottomans were no sissies.

Islam's warring has been a roller coaster. It modulates between very violent, and not as much, But it doesn't go away. It's always there.

and islam has been violent and agressive , murderous since their invasion of Spain and that was right after 'moe' dreamed up 'islam' !! That was about 700 AD !!

 

[anotherlife]

Denmark has a total of 4-5000 people in prison. A TOTAL of 4-5000 people. That means, if the 70% number is accurate, which is doubtful, a maximum of 3500 people who are identified as Muslim are in prison in Denmark. Those 3500 people are supposed to represent all of Islam and how all people of Muslim faith integrate into European or Western cultures.? Seriously?

Well, 3500 is a big number for such a small country as Denmark. Plus it is probably a large % of Denmark's Muslim community too. Apart from this, why do liberals always think that you first have to sleep with every murderer before you can say that murder is bad for you?

 

[Esmeralda]

Denmark has a total of 4-5000 people in prison. A TOTAL of 4-5000 people. That means, if the 70% number is accurate, which is doubtful, a maximum of 3500 people who are identified as Muslim are in prison in Denmark. Those 3500 people are supposed to represent all of Islam and how all people of Muslim faith integrate into European or Western cultures.? Seriously?

Well, 3500 is a big number for such a small country as Denmark. Plus it is probably a large % of Denmark's Muslim community too. Apart from this, why do liberals always think that you first have to sleep with every murderer before you can say that murder is bad for you?

This example of Muslims in jail in Denmark is being used to support the idea they, as a group and a religion, are not able to integrate into other cultures. Just because it is a problem in Denmark, does not mean it is the same issue as far as Muslim immigration around the world. It is, in fact, an example that is limited to Denmark.

 

[Esmeralda]

Yes, but nationalism did double Islam down, in all its violence. At least in my observation. The Ottoman Empire has never imagined to be as belligerent as the Muslims today, and the Ottomans were no sissies.

Islam's warring has been a roller coaster. It modulates between very violent, and not as much, But it doesn't go away. It's always there.

and islam has been violent and agressive , murderous since their invasion of Spain and that was right after 'moe' dreamed up 'islam' !! That was about 700 AD !!

And so has Christianity; for example, hundreds of years of imperialism during which cultures were destroyed and millions upon millions of people were enslaved, tortured, and murdered.

How about the complete destruction of native American tribes and cultures throughout the American Continent?

 

[Pogo]

Yes, but nationalism did double Islam down, in all its violence. At least in my observation. The Ottoman Empire has never imagined to be as belligerent as the Muslims today, and the Ottomans were no sissies.

Islam's warring has been a roller coaster. It modulates between very violent, and not as much, But it doesn't go away. It's always there.

and islam has been violent and agressive , murderous since their invasion of Spain and that was right after 'moe' dreamed up 'islam' !! That was about 700 AD !!

And so has Christianity; for example, hundreds of years of imperialism during which cultures were destroyed and millions upon millions of people were enslaved, tortured, and murdered.

He's mired in Doublestandardthink. I've been telling him that all day. He goes

 

[anotherlife]

Yes, but nationalism did double Islam down, in all its violence. At least in my observation. The Ottoman Empire has never imagined to be as belligerent as the Muslims today, and the Ottomans were no sissies.

Islam's warring has been a roller coaster. It modulates between very violent, and not as much, But it doesn't go away. It's always there.

and islam has been violent and agressive , murderous since their invasion of Spain and that was right after 'moe' dreamed up 'islam' !! That was about 700 AD !!

The big problem however still is that Europeans invented an even bigger murder propaganda than anything Islam has ever come up with, so the Muslims, evil as may be, are still not the champions of their game.

 

[Weatherman2020]

In Iraq it was common to see a guy pulling his donkey with no load followed by his wife carrying a huge load.

 

[Tilly]

Denmark has a total of 4-5000 people in prison. A TOTAL of 4-5000 people. That means, if the 70% number is accurate, which is doubtful, a maximum of 3500 people who are identified as Muslim are in prison in Denmark. Those 3500 people are supposed to represent all of Islam and how all people of Muslim faith integrate into European or Western cultures.? Seriously?

Well, 3500 is a big number for such a small country as Denmark. Plus it is probably a large % of Denmark's Muslim community too. Apart from this, why do liberals always think that you first have to sleep with every murderer before you can say that murder is bad for you?

This example of Muslims in jail in Denmark is being used to support the idea they, as a group and a religion, are not able to integrate into other cultures. Just because it is a problem in Denmark, does not mean it is the same issue as far as Muslim immigration around the world. It is, in fact, an example that is limited to Denmark.

By your own reckoning, unless you live in Denmark, stfu commenting on their issues, right? Lol.

 

[Pogo]

Denmark has a total of 4-5000 people in prison. A TOTAL of 4-5000 people. That means, if the 70% number is accurate, which is doubtful, a maximum of 3500 people who are identified as Muslim are in prison in Denmark. Those 3500 people are supposed to represent all of Islam and how all people of Muslim faith integrate into European or Western cultures.? Seriously?

Well, 3500 is a big number for such a small country as Denmark. Plus it is probably a large % of Denmark's Muslim community too. Apart from this, why do liberals always think that you first have to sleep with every murderer before you can say that murder is bad for you?

This example of Muslims in jail in Denmark is being used to support the idea they, as a group and a religion, are not able to integrate into other cultures. Just because it is a problem in Denmark, does not mean it is the same issue as far as Muslim immigration around the world. It is, in fact, an example that is limited to Denmark.

By your own reckoning, unless you live in Denmark, stfu commenting on their issues, right? Lol.

Umm..... the OP was entirely ipse dixit. Has no link whatsoever. There is no topic basis.

 

[Desperado]

Why Limit it just to Muslims?
It should be across the board for immigrants.
Any group that comes to America and expects America to change to suit them, should be rounded up and sent packing to their original country or one that is will to submit to the demands of these people. Lets start with language, If you don't learn the language in a given time, back on the boat for you.

 

[Tilly]

Denmark has a total of 4-5000 people in prison. A TOTAL of 4-5000 people. That means, if the 70% number is accurate, which is doubtful, a maximum of 3500 people who are identified as Muslim are in prison in Denmark. Those 3500 people are supposed to represent all of Islam and how all people of Muslim faith integrate into European or Western cultures.? Seriously?

Well, 3500 is a big number for such a small country as Denmark. Plus it is probably a large % of Denmark's Muslim community too. Apart from this, why do liberals always think that you first have to sleep with every murderer before you can say that murder is bad for you?

This example of Muslims in jail in Denmark is being used to support the idea they, as a group and a religion, are not able to integrate into other cultures. Just because it is a problem in Denmark, does not mean it is the same issue as far as Muslim immigration around the world. It is, in fact, an example that is limited to Denmark.

It is by no means limited to Denmark. Take your own advice and quit talking about European countries, unless you live in them. Lol.

 

[anotherlife]

Denmark has a total of 4-5000 people in prison. A TOTAL of 4-5000 people. That means, if the 70% number is accurate, which is doubtful, a maximum of 3500 people who are identified as Muslim are in prison in Denmark. Those 3500 people are supposed to represent all of Islam and how all people of Muslim faith integrate into European or Western cultures.? Seriously?

Well, 3500 is a big number for such a small country as Denmark. Plus it is probably a large % of Denmark's Muslim community too. Apart from this, why do liberals always think that you first have to sleep with every murderer before you can say that murder is bad for you?

This example of Muslims in jail in Denmark is being used to support the idea they, as a group and a religion, are not able to integrate into other cultures. Just because it is a problem in Denmark, does not mean it is the same issue as far as Muslim immigration around the world. It is, in fact, an example that is limited to Denmark.

Where do you see an evidence that it is limited to Denmark? Some groups were invented for conflict, nothing else. For example Islam and socialism / communism.

Yes, but nationalism did double Islam down, in all its violence. At least in my observation. The Ottoman Empire has never imagined to be as belligerent as the Muslims today, and the Ottomans were no sissies.

Islam's warring has been a roller coaster. It modulates between very violent, and not as much, But it doesn't go away. It's always there.

and islam has been violent and agressive , murderous since their invasion of Spain and that was right after 'moe' dreamed up 'islam' !! That was about 700 AD !!

And so has Christianity; for example, hundreds of years of imperialism during which cultures were destroyed and millions upon millions of people were enslaved, tortured, and murdered.

How about the complete destruction of native American tribes and cultures throughout the American Continent?

No, the native Americans were not destroyed. They continue their culture to this day, and they are Americans, speaking English as a second language instead of a language of a tribal oppressor. The Muslims can't offer this.

 

[Pogo]

Why Limit it just to Muslims?
It should be across the board for immigrants.
Any group that comes to America and expects America to change to suit them, should be rounded up and sent packing to their original country or one that is will to submit to the demands of these people. Lets start with language, If you don't learn the language in a given time, back on the boat for you.

Yeah good plan. Then we'd never have pizza. Or perogies. Or sausage. Or Moo Goo Gai Pan.
Or jazz or blues and therefore rock 'n' roll.

Want me to actually go through all the words we got from immigrants too?
I mean, not even counting the ones WE immigrants got from the natives?

 

[Esmeralda]

Denmark has a total of 4-5000 people in prison. A TOTAL of 4-5000 people. That means, if the 70% number is accurate, which is doubtful, a maximum of 3500 people who are identified as Muslim are in prison in Denmark. Those 3500 people are supposed to represent all of Islam and how all people of Muslim faith integrate into European or Western cultures.? Seriously?

Well, 3500 is a big number for such a small country as Denmark. Plus it is probably a large % of Denmark's Muslim community too. Apart from this, why do liberals always think that you first have to sleep with every murderer before you can say that murder is bad for you?

This example of Muslims in jail in Denmark is being used to support the idea they, as a group and a religion, are not able to integrate into other cultures. Just because it is a problem in Denmark, does not mean it is the same issue as far as Muslim immigration around the world. It is, in fact, an example that is limited to Denmark.

It is by no means limited to Denmark. Take your own advice and quit talking about European countries, unless you live in them. Lol.

I have lived in them, for a number of years. I have lived for years in Europe and spend several months there every year. Denmark is a very small country with a very small prison population. It is essentially a one culture, one ethnic group country without many immigrants. I imagine it would be very difficult for any outsider to blend in and fit in. It would be like moving to a small town, an experience people often have of it taking years to be accepted.

 

[Esmeralda]

Denmark has a total of 4-5000 people in prison. A TOTAL of 4-5000 people. That means, if the 70% number is accurate, which is doubtful, a maximum of 3500 people who are identified as Muslim are in prison in Denmark. Those 3500 people are supposed to represent all of Islam and how all people of Muslim faith integrate into European or Western cultures.? Seriously?

Well, 3500 is a big number for such a small country as Denmark. Plus it is probably a large % of Denmark's Muslim community too. Apart from this, why do liberals always think that you first have to sleep with every murderer before you can say that murder is bad for you?

This example of Muslims in jail in Denmark is being used to support the idea they, as a group and a religion, are not able to integrate into other cultures. Just because it is a problem in Denmark, does not mean it is the same issue as far as Muslim immigration around the world. It is, in fact, an example that is limited to Denmark.

Where do you see an evidence that it is limited to Denmark? Some groups were invented for conflict, nothing else. For example Islam and socialism / communism.

Yes, but nationalism did double Islam down, in all its violence. At least in my observation. The Ottoman Empire has never imagined to be as belligerent as the Muslims today, and the Ottomans were no sissies.

Islam's warring has been a roller coaster. It modulates between very violent, and not as much, But it doesn't go away. It's always there.

and islam has been violent and agressive , murderous since their invasion of Spain and that was right after 'moe' dreamed up 'islam' !! That was about 700 AD !!

And so has Christianity; for example, hundreds of years of imperialism during which cultures were destroyed and millions upon millions of people were enslaved, tortured, and murdered.

How about the complete destruction of native American tribes and cultures throughout the American Continent?

No, the native Americans were not destroyed. They continue their culture to this day, and they are Americans, speaking English as a second language instead of a language of a tribal oppressor. The Muslims can't offer this.

Oh this is funny. Native Americans were not destroyed? Seriously? You know absolutely nothing about American history. They continue to try to keep alive the remnants of their cultures. Wow. You actually think they were not destroyed. The vast majority of them were killed, and their land was taken away from them. Not destroyed? Really?

 

[anotherlife]

In Iraq it was common to see a guy pulling his donkey with no load followed by his wife carrying a huge load.
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Well, those women need exercise. Do you want them to look like the average western feminist liberal woman complete with her 300 pound pot belly? This is the knowledge that liberal education beat out of every mans common sense in the west.

 

[Tilly]

Denmark has a total of 4-5000 people in prison. A TOTAL of 4-5000 people. That means, if the 70% number is accurate, which is doubtful, a maximum of 3500 people who are identified as Muslim are in prison in Denmark. Those 3500 people are supposed to represent all of Islam and how all people of Muslim faith integrate into European or Western cultures.? Seriously?

Well, 3500 is a big number for such a small country as Denmark. Plus it is probably a large % of Denmark's Muslim community too. Apart from this, why do liberals always think that you first have to sleep with every murderer before you can say that murder is bad for you?

This example of Muslims in jail in Denmark is being used to support the idea they, as a group and a religion, are not able to integrate into other cultures. Just because it is a problem in Denmark, does not mean it is the same issue as far as Muslim immigration around the world. It is, in fact, an example that is limited to Denmark.

It is by no means limited to Denmark. Take your own advice and quit talking about European countries, unless you live in them. Lol.

I have lived in them, for a number of years. I have lived for years in Europe and spend several months there every year. Denmark is a very small country with a very small prison population. It is essentially a one culture, one ethnic group country without many immigrants. I imagine it would be very difficult for any outsider to blend in and fit in. It would be like moving to a small town, an experience people often have of it taking years to be accepted.

According to you, I have 'no right' to discuss immigration to America because I don't live in America. So, take your own advice and quit spouting crap about Muslims in Europe. Thanks

 

[Esmeralda]

Denmark has a total of 4-5000 people in prison. A TOTAL of 4-5000 people. That means, if the 70% number is accurate, which is doubtful, a maximum of 3500 people who are identified as Muslim are in prison in Denmark. Those 3500 people are supposed to represent all of Islam and how all people of Muslim faith integrate into European or Western cultures.? Seriously?

Well, 3500 is a big number for such a small country as Denmark. Plus it is probably a large % of Denmark's Muslim community too. Apart from this, why do liberals always think that you first have to sleep with every murderer before you can say that murder is bad for you?

This example of Muslims in jail in Denmark is being used to support the idea they, as a group and a religion, are not able to integrate into other cultures. Just because it is a problem in Denmark, does not mean it is the same issue as far as Muslim immigration around the world. It is, in fact, an example that is limited to Denmark.

It is by no means limited to Denmark. Take your own advice and quit talking about European countries, unless you live in them. Lol.

I don't live in the US. I live and work in foreign countries, including European countries.

 

[Tilly]

Denmark has a total of 4-5000 people in prison. A TOTAL of 4-5000 people. That means, if the 70% number is accurate, which is doubtful, a maximum of 3500 people who are identified as Muslim are in prison in Denmark. Those 3500 people are supposed to represent all of Islam and how all people of Muslim faith integrate into European or Western cultures.? Seriously?

Well, 3500 is a big number for such a small country as Denmark. Plus it is probably a large % of Denmark's Muslim community too. Apart from this, why do liberals always think that you first have to sleep with every murderer before you can say that murder is bad for you?

This example of Muslims in jail in Denmark is being used to support the idea they, as a group and a religion, are not able to integrate into other cultures. Just because it is a problem in Denmark, does not mean it is the same issue as far as Muslim immigration around the world. It is, in fact, an example that is limited to Denmark.

Where do you see an evidence that it is limited to Denmark? Some groups were invented for conflict, nothing else. For example Islam and socialism / communism.

Yes, but nationalism did double Islam down, in all its violence. At least in my observation. The Ottoman Empire has never imagined to be as belligerent as the Muslims today, and the Ottomans were no sissies.

Islam's warring has been a roller coaster. It modulates between very violent, and not as much, But it doesn't go away. It's always there.

and islam has been violent and agressive , murderous since their invasion of Spain and that was right after 'moe' dreamed up 'islam' !! That was about 700 AD !!

And so has Christianity; for example, hundreds of years of imperialism during which cultures were destroyed and millions upon millions of people were enslaved, tortured, and murdered.

How about the complete destruction of native American tribes and cultures throughout the American Continent?

No, the native Americans were not destroyed. They continue their culture to this day, and they are Americans, speaking English as a second language instead of a language of a tribal oppressor. The Muslims can't offer this.

Oh this is funny. Native Americans were not destroyed? Seriously? You know absolutely nothing about American history. They continue to try to keep alive the remnants of their cultures. Wow. You actually think they were not destroyed. The vast majority of them were killed, and their land was taken away from them. Not destroyed? Really?

Why don't you quit telling people what they know? You are coming across as a complete ignoramus. Lol.