Muslims riot in New York.

[rosends]

I do not see why any society would allow a group to outlaw criticisim of a foreign government or a foreign political ideology.

first off -- nothing is being "outlawed." That's not how the law works. Second, can you show me how adopting the definition would or could "outlaw" anything? Third, can you show me where in the text of the definition there is any mention of criticism of any government?

To remind you, the question is about any particular group's choice to adopt as an accepted definition of antisemitism, this definition:

“Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”

That situation must be avoided else a society is doomed, why would anyone approve of any law that could in principle be uised to outlaw criticism of a foreign countries political system?

What law exactly are you concerned about? How could the IHRA definition of anti-semitism be used to outlaw criticisms?

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the IHRA definition would replace the definition which the US government has had since 2010

"Anti-Semitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of anti-Semitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities." --Working Definition of Anti-Semitism by the European Monitoring Center on Racism and Xenophobia

 

[Churchill]

first off -- nothing is being "outlawed." That's not how the law works. Second, can you show me how adopting the definition would or could "outlaw" anything? Third, can you show me where in the text of the definition there is any mention of criticism of any government?

To remind you, the question is about any particular group's choice to adopt as an accepted definition of antisemitism, this definition:

What law exactly are you concerned about? How could the IHRA definition of anti-semitism be used to outlaw criticisms?

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the IHRA definition would replace the definition which the US government has had since 2010

Campaign to Criminalize Criticism of Israel Challenges Both Free Speech and Jewish Values | The American Council for Judaism

Freedom of speech and the right to dissent is under attack by AIPAC, most of the organized American Jewish community and casino mogul Sheldon Adelson, the Republican Party’s single largest contributor. The goal is to make it illegal to advocate a

acjna.org

The goal is to make it illegal to advocate a boycott of Israel in protest of its more than fifty years of illegal occupation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and its mistreatment of Palestinians.

This effort is being conducted both on the federal and state levels. Already, 26 states have enacted such laws, In the last Congress, legislation introduced in the Senate, called the Anti-Boycott Act, was co-sponsored by Sens. Ben Cardin (D-MD) and Rob Portman (R-OH). The New York Times (Dec.20, 2018) editorially characterized the legislation this way: “...clearly a part of a widening attempt to silence one side of the debate. That is not in the interest of Israel, the United States or their shared democratic traditions.”

Case of a Texas speech pathologist

Consider the extremes to which the laws in 26 states now go in criminalizing criticism of Israel, The Texas case of Bahia Amawi is typical. A children’s speech pathologist who has worked for the past 9 years with developmentally disabled, autistic and speech-impaired elementary school children in Austin, Texas has been told that she can no longer work with the public school district after she refused to sign an oath vowing that she “does not” and “will not” engage in a boycott of Israel, or “otherwise take any action that is intended to inflict economic harm” on that foreign country.

A lawsuit on her behalf was filed in December in a federal district court alleging a violation of her First Amendment right of free speech. Discussing the oath Amawi refused to sign, Glenn Greenwald provided this assessment in The Intercept (Dec. 21, 2018): “The language reads like Orwellian---or McCarthyite---self-parody, the classic political loyalty oath that every American should instinctively shudder upon reading...The received certification about Israel was the only one in the contract that pertained to political opinions or activism. In order to get a contract in Texas, then, a citizen is free to denounce and work against the United States, to advocate for causes that directly harm American children and even support a boycott of particular U.S. states---such as was done in 2017---to North Carolina---in protest of its anti-LGBT law---to continue to work.”

 

[rosends]

Campaign to Criminalize Criticism of Israel Challenges Both Free Speech and Jewish Values | The American Council for Judaism

Freedom of speech and the right to dissent is under attack by AIPAC, most of the organized American Jewish community and casino mogul Sheldon Adelson, the Republican Party’s single largest contributor. The goal is to make it illegal to advocate a

acjna.org

so an article which glibly claims "the goal is"? That's not much of anything. I gave you the wording. I asked clear questions.

Thing is, you aren't even completely wrong in your concerns but you don't know enough about this to know what you should be focused on.

 

[Churchill]

so an article which glibly claims "the goal is"? That's not much of anything. I gave you the wording. I asked clear questions.

Your line of questioning serves as a digression. My position on this has been the encrocahement of laws and restrictions on people's freedom of expression. That's the issue.

Thing is, you aren't even completely wrong in your concerns but you don't know enough about this to know what you should be focused on.

I focus on what I want to not on what you want me to, here's something for you to think about, the manipulation of the United States to serve the goals of the state of Israel, please feel free to defend this insidious manipulation of the United States what used to be the "Land of the Free".

 

[eagle1462010]

Thanks. What Churchill is doing, as are other antisemites, is trying to normalize OBVIOUS antisemitism by claiming it isn’t. That’s how the Nazis got previously normal Germans to think it was normal to make Jews walk in the gutter, or bam them from schools, or prohibit them from restaurants.

That’s how haters like Churchill hope to get away with their antisemitism.

And it starts with word-play over the word “antisemite.” That word has applied specifically to being anti-Jew.

1930s they protested and Demonized Jews. Then LABEL THEM, SOUND FAMILIAR??, until they gassed them and burnt them in ovens.

Took a while of spreading Lies until it happened.

Muzzies on this board are doing it here and in Europe so the world turns on Israel. So they can destroy it.

The destruction of the West is a secondary Dream of theirs.

 

[Alweysrite!]

Pretty sure that's not what that statue is about

 

[rosends]

Your line of questioning serves as a digression. My position on this has been the encrocahement of laws and restrictions on people's freedom of expression. That's the issue.

Yes. And I quoted the text involved, asking you to apply it in such a way as to show a basis for concern.

 

[Concerned American]

Hmm "racism"? "distract"? "attacks"? You're imagining things again.

Can you tell me what would convince you there was genocide? a simple question surely?

LOL, can you tell me what evidence that you have that it was. Defending one's self after a barbarous sneak attack, murder, torture, kidnapping and false imprisonment on a civilian population is NOT genocide--it is SELF DEFENSE. Don't put weapons in your hands that you don't want potentially shoved up your nose. Compare the terrorism perpetrated by Hamas and Hezbollah and by proxy Iran with the holocaust---how did the Jews in WWII Germany attack Germany---yeah, that's genocide--try critical thinking for a change or are you too stupid to realize that OPINION polls are NOT EVIDENCE. Moronic marxist globalist.

 

[eagle1462010]

LOL, can you tell me what evidence that you have that it was. Defending one's self after a barbarous sneak attack, murder, torture, kidnapping and false imprisonment on a civilian population is NOT genocide--it is SELF DEFENSE. Don't put weapons in your hands that you don't want potentially shoved up your nose. Compare the terrorism perpetrated by Hamas and Hezbollah and by proxy Iran with the holocaust---how did the Jews in WWII Germany attack Germany---yeah, that's genocide--try critical thinking for a change or are you too stupid to realize that OPINION polls are NOT EVIDENCE. Moronic marxist globalist.

They lucky its Israel. We would have destroyed Gaza and pushed a few million into another country

 

[yidnar]

Title just says Anti-Israel, not Muslims.

why were they causing a ruckus at a synagogue ?

 

[Concerned American]

They lucky its Israel. We would have destroyed Gaza and pushed a few million into another country

or the Mediterranean. Solution!

 

[eagle1462010]

or the Mediterranean. Solution!

Well thats what will happen to Israel if they ever lose.

Id like to piss on Peanut Heads Grave for pressuring them to give up Gaza.

 

[Churchill]

LOL, can you tell me what evidence that you have that it was.

that what was? You've lost the plot, I posted about genocide and you flipped and posted a word salad:

Defending one's self after a barbarous sneak attack, murder, torture, kidnapping and false imprisonment on a civilian population is NOT genocide--it is SELF DEFENSE.

Dude, the Nazis claimed that the extermination of Jews was a self defence, it didn't fool intelligent people then and it doesn't today when Zionist try the same old bullshit.

Don't put weapons in your hands that you don't want potentially shoved up your nose. Compare the terrorism perpetrated by Hamas and Hezbollah and by proxy Iran with the holocaust---how did the Jews in WWII Germany attack Germany

How? they vigorosuly supported communism, in fact many communists in Europe at the time were Jews, it was a Jewish invention. They refused to assimilate, they refused to hire non-Jews, and so on, these are the excuses Hitler gave as reasons to be rid of Jews, read a book for once in your pointless life.

---yeah, that's genocide--try critical thinking for a change or are you too stupid to realize that OPINION polls are NOT EVIDENCE. Moronic marxist globalist.

Marxism is a JEWISH concept you jackass, so you're antisemite for opposing it you numbskull, Karl Marx was a Jew!!

 

[Churchill]

why were they causing a ruckus at a synagogue ?

It might be because the synagogue was hosting a real-estate sales event. Selling land in illegal settler colonies where the rightful inhabitants have been ethnically cleansed (Jewish settlers only displace non-Jews in case you didn't know).

Now because selling land that it itself illegally occupied is agains international law, people - including decent Jews - protested.

Hosting a real estate even offering illegal land, in a synagogue means people will protest outside the synagogue you testicle brained jackass.

I always assumed synagogues were places of worship not real estate speculation, now READ your own BIBLE:

John 2:15

So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!” His disciples remembered that it is written: “Zeal for your house will consume me.”

Sound familair? to a Christian it is very familiar to a fake Christian its just a story.

Pro-Palestine group protests outside Israeli real estate event in New York

Demonstration against event featuring properties for sale in occupied West Bank is the second protest in six months.

www.aljazeera.com

Why is it that every dumbass on this forum is a Zionist?

 

[Concerned American]

that what was? You've lost the plot, I posted about genocide and you flipped and posted a word salad:

Have the drugs so eroded your brain that you can't keep up with a reply to your own question about GENOCIDE--even when the term is in the reply? LMAO, no wonder you think an OPINION poll is evidence of genocide.

the Nazis claimed that the extermination of Jews was a self defence

Linkie. Moron, you need to do a better job of researching history, junior.

How? they vigorosuly supported communism, in fact many communists in Europe at the time were Jews, it was a Jewish invention.

Again---LINKIE, you can't be this stupid so you must just be an inept LIAR.

Marxism is a JEWISH concept you jackass, so you're antisemite for opposing it you numbskull, Karl Marx was a Jew!!

Karl Marx had Jewish ancestors. He became a PROTESTANT at an early age but he was am atheist for most of his life. Read that book that you're using to level your table, moron.

 

[Frankeneinstein]

Jesus weeps at the things done in His name.

lol...and what does he do with ^all that irony"

 

[Churchill]

Have the drugs so eroded your brain that you can't keep up with a reply to your own question about GENOCIDE--even when the term is in the reply? LMAO, no wonder you think an OPINION poll is evidence of genocide.

Opinion polls reflect people's opinions on what they've read or seen or heard. Now since the press and media in the USA is inherently pro-Israel we know that these people got their opinions from external sources and non-mainstream sources So you can't wheel out the usual "they are all lefty commie marxists" etc, it doesn't work.

Take Fox or MSNBC, they always toe the Israeli line, they do not assert that Israel is engaged in genocide nor does Chuck Schumer or John Fetterman or Joe Scarborough, the view that genocide is taking place is a tiny minority view in your government, even the democrat party itself refuses to grasp that most democrat voters are opposed to Israel's ethnic cleansing, apartheid and genocide.

Just like in the 1930s it is once again, the left, the thinkers, the educated that oppose genocidal racial supremacist regimes.

So your mainstream press is under the Israeli thumb, one has to look elsewhere for more honest news. The opinions that 50% of people have that Israel is engaged in genocide did not come from the usual US bilge news, no, these people did something you've never done - THINK FOR THEMSELVES.

Linkie. Moron, you need to do a better job of researching history, junior.

Find it yourself of you lazy slob.

Again---LINKIE, you can't be this stupid so you must just be an inept LIAR.

Again - Find it yourself of you lazy slob. I don't provide sources for common knowledge, if I said rain is wet would you demand a "linkie"?

Karl Marx had Jewish ancestors.

All Jews have Jewish ancestors you moonshine glugging hick, are you saying he wasn't a Jew - yes or no.

He became a PROTESTANT at an early age but he was am atheist for most of his life.

Einstein was an atheist, Feynman was an atheist - so what? Jews can be atheists too you know.

Read that book that you're using to level your table, moron.

You mean Art of the Deal? Nah, its far too useful as a table leveller than something to read, be serious for once son.

Time to tweak your ridiculous moniker now, so how about Concerned Zionist at least that would make sense for you.

 

[Concerned American]

Opinion polls reflect people's opinions on what they've read or seen or heard.

And they have absolutely no bearing on reality. If you want to impress others, put up some facts that might influence public opinion---you won't because you have none. As the rest of your diatribe proves, you can't address the topic. Now either address the topic of "Muslims riot in New York" and quit trolling and trying to derail the thread or GTFOH, or be reported--take your pick.

 

[Churchill]

And they have absolutely no bearing on reality. If you want to impress others, put up some facts that might influence public opinion

Why? its already influenced, 50% of your countrymen are of the view that genocide is underway, why do I need to do anything? it's done you clown, people can see for themselves what's happening, that your still suffering a hangover from drinking from the maga drinks cabinet isn't my concern.

FBI = Fake Bourbon Institute.

you won't because you have none. As the rest of your diatribe proves, you can't address the topic.

Oh really? I thought that refuting a magat was addressing the topic.

Now either address the topic of "Muslims riot in New York" and quit trolling and trying to derail the thread or GTFOH, or be reported--take your pick.

Why don't you address it, show us what you're made of, I'm all ears.

 

[Concerned American]

Why? its already influenced, 50% of your countrymen are of the view that genocide is underway, why do I need to do anything? it's done you clown.

Oh really? I thought that refuting a magat was addressing the topic.

Why don't you address it, show us what you're made of, I'm all ears.

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