Muslim Brotherhood drawing on Al Qaeda support as FORTY Christian churches are torche

[Lovebears65]

Muslim Brotherhood drawing on Al Qaeda support as FORTY Christian churches are torched - International - Catholic Online

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[waltky]

MB gonna be banned again...

Egyptian Court Advised to Abolish Muslim Brotherhood
September 02, 2013 > An Egyptian judicial panel on Monday recommended the dissolution of the Muslim Brotherhood - Egypt's largest political organization - and that its headquarters be closed.

In non-binding recommendations to Egypt's administrative court, the panel accused the Brotherhood of operating outside the law. The move to strip the Brotherhood of its status as a legally registered non-governmental organization is the latest challenge to the Islamist party from the army-backed interim government that deposed former president Mohamed Morsi in July.

On Sunday, state media reported that Morsi, who remains in detention, will be put on trial along with 14 other suspects on charges of inciting violence and murder. The charges stem from deadly clashes between Morsi's Brotherhood supporters and opponents in Cairo late last year. Authorities say seven people were killed in the violence.

An Egyptian in Cairo holds the Al-Ahram newspaper fronted by a picture of Mohammed Badie, the supreme leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, left, and pictures of flag-draped coffins containing the bodies of slain off-duty policemen

The 85-year-old Muslim Brotherhood rose to the forefront of Egyptian politics after the 2011 Arab Spring uprising that drove longtime ruler Hosni Mubarak from power. The Islamist movement then formed a political party and won a majority of seats in parliament.

Morsi ran for president on the movement's ticket and and became the country's first democratically elected president in June 2012. But he sparked massive opposition and protests as he sought to consolidate power.

Egyptian Court Advised to Abolish Muslim Brotherhood

 

[The2ndAmendment]

According the DHS training manuals, only the Founding Fathers and those who think like them today are considered radicals and terrorists.

 

[Osomir]

Muslim Brotherhood drawing on Al Qaeda support as FORTY Christian churches are torched - International - Catholic Online

And OUR GUY Supports these people

A couple of things wrong here:

1.) Al Qaeda Central has no flag, there are sometimes general Islamist flags used but they are used by many groups all over the world. The closest you would get would be the ISI flag with the round circle in it.

2.) Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood hate each other, they aren't working together. Al Qaeda stands directly against the very nature of the Muslim Brotherhood and rejects any participation in political systems.

 

[Katzndogz]

They seem to be working together here.

Egypt: Al Qaeda and Muslim Brotherhood Mobs Burn Christian Coptic Churches | Global Research

 

[Osomir]

They seem to be working together here.

Egypt: Al Qaeda and Muslim Brotherhood Mobs Burn Christian Coptic Churches | Global Research

There is nothing in that article linking the Muslim Brotherhood to Al Qaeda. The very idea that they are working together is pretty ridiculous. Al Zawahiri has condemned them several times for their participation in formal governance in many countries. He even wrote a book condemning them called Bitter Harvest; and when Morsi was in power he ordered the military to fight militant Salafists, not something that really endeared him to "Al Qaeda" affiliates.

 

[Katzndogz]

They seem to be working together here.

Egypt: Al Qaeda and Muslim Brotherhood Mobs Burn Christian Coptic Churches | Global Research

There is nothing in that article linking the Muslim Brotherhood to Al Qaeda. The very idea that they are working together is pretty ridiculous. Al Zawahiri has condemned them several times for their participation in formal governance in many countries. He even wrote a book condemning them called Bitter Harvest; and when Morsi was in power he ordered the military to fight militant Salafists, not something that really endeared him to "Al Qaeda" affiliates.

You are correct, but they will join together against the infidel and have. They have the same goal, the spread of islam. They just differ on how to get there.

 

[Osomir]

You are correct, but they will join together against the infidel and have. They have the same goal, the spread of islam. They just differ on how to get there.

Their interpretation of Islam and how it fits into society is generally very different. Islam isn't a monolith.

 

[Katzndogz]

You are correct, but they will join together against the infidel and have. They have the same goal, the spread of islam. They just differ on how to get there.

Their interpretation of Islam and how it fits into society is generally very different. Islam isn't a monolith.

Yes it is. There is only one Koran. There is only one prophet.

 

[Osomir]

You are correct, but they will join together against the infidel and have. They have the same goal, the spread of islam. They just differ on how to get there.

Their interpretation of Islam and how it fits into society is generally very different. Islam isn't a monolith.

Yes it is. There is only one Koran. There is only one prophet.

And many different jurisprudential branches of Islam.

Calling Islam a monolith is about as dishonest as suggesting that there is only one branch of Christianity.

 

[tinydancer]

They seem to be working together here.

Egypt: Al Qaeda and Muslim Brotherhood Mobs Burn Christian Coptic Churches | Global Research

They most certainly do. And it is to be expected.

 

[Osomir]

They seem to be working together here.

Egypt: Al Qaeda and Muslim Brotherhood Mobs Burn Christian Coptic Churches | Global Research

They most certainly do. And it is to be expected.

Except that they don't.

Self Inflicted Wounds | Combating Terrorism Center at West Point

 

[Katzndogz]

Their interpretation of Islam and how it fits into society is generally very different. Islam isn't a monolith.

Yes it is. There is only one Koran. There is only one prophet.

And many different jurisprudential branches of Islam.

Calling Islam a monolith is about as dishonest as suggesting that there is only one branch of Christianity.

The sect separations in islam are tribal not religious. There are no mosques that preach differing Islamic beliefs. There is no comparative Methodist Islamic mosque and Presbyterian Islamic mosques. There is the Islamic mosque. Even the major division, the Sunnis and Shiites have the same mosque with the same Saudi Arabia trained imams. There are no different versions of the Koran.

The muslim brotherhood and al quaeda have the same enemy. They will, have and are joining together to fight that common enemy. We are that enemy.

 

[Osomir]

The sect separations in islam are tribal not religious. There are no mosques that preach differing Islamic beliefs. There is no comparative Methodist Islamic mosque and Presbyterian Islamic mosques. There is the Islamic mosque. Even the major division, the Sunnis and Shiites have the same mosque with the same Saudi Arabia trained imams. There are no different versions of the Koran.

So you are saying that every Christian who uses the same version of the Bible practices Christianity in exactly the same way as every other Christian who utilizes the Bible?

Also though, 90% of Islamic jurisprudential sets have nothing to do with the Quran.

Simply referencing the fact that there is "only one Quran" rather ignores the vast majority of Islamic law sets and how they are derived.

 

[Katzndogz]

The sect separations in islam are tribal not religious. There are no mosques that preach differing Islamic beliefs. There is no comparative Methodist Islamic mosque and Presbyterian Islamic mosques. There is the Islamic mosque. Even the major division, the Sunnis and Shiites have the same mosque with the same Saudi Arabia trained imams. There are no different versions of the Koran.

So you are saying that every Christian who uses the same version of the Bible practices Christianity in exactly the same way as every other Christian who utilizes the Bible?

Also though, 90% of Islamic jurisprudential sets have nothing to do with the Quran.

Simply referencing the fact that there is "only one Quran" rather ignores the vast majority of Islamic law sets and how they are derived.

There are no vast majority of Islamic law sets. The Koran is the final legal authority. That's why we don't have more than one Islamic court in this country.

Where you are getting confused is that some Islamic nations are more pluralistic than others and allow greater freedoms. The fundamentalists recognize no such freedoms. Al Quaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood are both fundamentalist sects and believe exactly the same thing. They just differ on how to do it. The MB believes that people can be persuaded to democratically vote for fundamentalist rule. The more purist AQ believes that acceptance of fundamentalism should be at the point of a sword.

Neither side better or more peaceful than the other and they are both anti west.

 

[Osomir]

There are no vast majority of Islamic law sets. The Koran is the final legal authority. That's why we don't have more than one Islamic court in this country.

So you're trying to tell me then that Shafi and Hanbali aren't different schools of Islamic jurisprudence then? How about Hanafi, Jafari, and Maliki? Wahhabism? Sufism?

Where you are getting confused is that some Islamic nations are more pluralistic than others and allow greater freedoms.

Nope. Where you're getting confused is that you haven't ever studied shariah law sets and how they are derived. Most sharia law has nothing to do with the Quran and differs quite widely across regions and countries.

The fundamentalists recognize no such freedoms.

Fundamentalism was a protestant movement, the term doesn't really fit well into the macro-Islamic religion.

Al Quaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood are both fundamentalist sects and believe exactly the same thing.

West Point disagrees with you, and so do the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda.

 

[tinydancer]

Muslim Brotherhood drawing on Al Qaeda support as FORTY Christian churches are torched - International - Catholic Online

And OUR GUY Supports these people

A couple of things wrong here:

1.) Al Qaeda Central has no flag, there are sometimes general Islamist flags used but they are used by many groups all over the world. The closest you would get would be the ISI flag with the round circle in it.

2.) Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood hate each other, they aren't working together. Al Qaeda stands directly against the very nature of the Muslim Brotherhood and rejects any participation in political systems.

Oh bite me. Coptics are a mutual enemy for radicals.



Al Qaeda Flag Flies High Above Christian Churches


Days ago, al-Qaeda’s Egyptian leader, Ayman Zawahiri, portrayed the overthrow of Muhammad Morsi and the Brotherhood as a “Crusader” campaign led by Coptic Pope Tawadros II who, according to Zawahiri and other terrorists, is trying to create a Coptic state in Egypt.

Since then, not only are Egypt’s Christians and churches now being attacked in ways unprecedented in the modern era, but new reports indicate that al-Qaeda’s black flag has been raised on some of them, specifically St. George Church in Sohag. Considering that it was al-Qaeda linked terrorists who initiated one of the bloodiest church attacks in recent history, the 2010 Baghdad church attack where nearly 60 Christians were slaughtered (click here for graphic images), that al-Qaeda is singling out Egypt’s Christians bodes ill.

The Islamic terrorist organization’s incitements against the Copts are just the latest to emanate from Islamists—from the top of the Brotherhood leadership to the bottom of the “Muslim street”—creating something of an “open season” on Egypt’s Christians.

Days after the overthrow of Morsi, the supreme leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, Muhammad Badie, was first to attack by name Coptic Pope Tawadros for supporting the popular June 30 Revolution, which saw tens of millions of Egyptians take to the streets. After Badie’s demonization of the Copts, assaults on Christians began in earnest.

Many churches were attacked and burned and several Christians were murdered in Upper Egypt; over in the Sinai, a young Coptic priest was shot dead, while the body of Magdy Lam‘i Habib, a Christian, was found mutilated and beheaded.

Due to the many death threats to Pope Tawadros, he has left the papal residence at the St. Mark Cathedral—which was earlier savagely attacked, when Morsi was still president.

This anti-Christian fury is far from sated and has taken on genocidal proportions.

While Al Jazeera was covering (and distorting) events in Egypt, a Libyan man named Tamar Rashad called in and said “I want to offer the good news to [Pope] Tawadros that, Allah willing, the day is coming when no Copt will ever again tread the ground of Egypt—and no churches.

We will no longer allow churches to exist.” When the TV host appeared to protest, Rashad interrupted him saying, “It’s already decided, take your cameras and go to the churches and you’ll see what’s going to happen soon, Allah willing.”

To make matters worse, Sheikh Yusif al-Qaradawi, one of the Islamic world’s leading preachers and spiritual father of the Muslim Brotherhood, has given his formal stamp of approval to persecute Copts, recently posting a video saying that “Christians” and others “were recruited [by Egypt’s military] to kill innocent Muslims.”

More at link:

Al Qaeda Flag Flies High Above Christian Churches | FrontPage Magazine

 

[Osomir]

Muslim Brotherhood drawing on Al Qaeda support as FORTY Christian churches are torched - International - Catholic Online

And OUR GUY Supports these people

A couple of things wrong here:

1.) Al Qaeda Central has no flag, there are sometimes general Islamist flags used but they are used by many groups all over the world. The closest you would get would be the ISI flag with the round circle in it.

2.) Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood hate each other, they aren't working together. Al Qaeda stands directly against the very nature of the Muslim Brotherhood and rejects any participation in political systems.

Oh bite me. Coptics are a mutual enemy for radicals.



Al Qaeda Flag Flies High Above Christian Churches


Days ago, al-Qaeda’s Egyptian leader, Ayman Zawahiri, portrayed the overthrow of Muhammad Morsi and the Brotherhood as a “Crusader” campaign led by Coptic Pope Tawadros II who, according to Zawahiri and other terrorists, is trying to create a Coptic state in Egypt.

Since then, not only are Egypt’s Christians and churches now being attacked in ways unprecedented in the modern era, but new reports indicate that al-Qaeda’s black flag has been raised on some of them, specifically St. George Church in Sohag. Considering that it was al-Qaeda linked terrorists who initiated one of the bloodiest church attacks in recent history, the 2010 Baghdad church attack where nearly 60 Christians were slaughtered (click here for graphic images), that al-Qaeda is singling out Egypt’s Christians bodes ill.

The Islamic terrorist organization’s incitements against the Copts are just the latest to emanate from Islamists—from the top of the Brotherhood leadership to the bottom of the “Muslim street”—creating something of an “open season” on Egypt’s Christians.

Days after the overthrow of Morsi, the supreme leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, Muhammad Badie, was first to attack by name Coptic Pope Tawadros for supporting the popular June 30 Revolution, which saw tens of millions of Egyptians take to the streets. After Badie’s demonization of the Copts, assaults on Christians began in earnest.

Many churches were attacked and burned and several Christians were murdered in Upper Egypt; over in the Sinai, a young Coptic priest was shot dead, while the body of Magdy Lam‘i Habib, a Christian, was found mutilated and beheaded.

Due to the many death threats to Pope Tawadros, he has left the papal residence at the St. Mark Cathedral—which was earlier savagely attacked, when Morsi was still president.

This anti-Christian fury is far from sated and has taken on genocidal proportions.

While Al Jazeera was covering (and distorting) events in Egypt, a Libyan man named Tamar Rashad called in and said “I want to offer the good news to [Pope] Tawadros that, Allah willing, the day is coming when no Copt will ever again tread the ground of Egypt—and no churches.

We will no longer allow churches to exist.” When the TV host appeared to protest, Rashad interrupted him saying, “It’s already decided, take your cameras and go to the churches and you’ll see what’s going to happen soon, Allah willing.”

To make matters worse, Sheikh Yusif al-Qaradawi, one of the Islamic world’s leading preachers and spiritual father of the Muslim Brotherhood, has given his formal stamp of approval to persecute Copts, recently posting a video saying that “Christians” and others “were recruited [by Egypt’s military] to kill innocent Muslims.”

More at link:

Al Qaeda Flag Flies High Above Christian Churches | FrontPage Magazine

A couple of things wrong here:

1.) Al Qaeda Central has no flag, there are sometimes general Islamist flags used but they are used by many groups all over the world. The closest you would get would be the ISI flag with the round circle in it.

2.) Al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood hate each other, they aren't working together. Al Qaeda stands directly against the very nature of the Muslim Brotherhood and rejects any participation in political systems.

3.) I already provided a link from our counter terror group at West Point supporting everything that I have said. I think i'll believe the analytical skills of West Point over one opinion piece from an online conservative magazine.

 

[Osomir]

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Interesting how you abandon the thread immediately after I name several different schools of Islamic jurisprudence.