Murkowski, Paul, McConnell, Tillis, Collins

[berg80]

When Republicans in Congress actually vote to rebuke Trump​

It’s no secret at this point that congressional Republicans are loathe to vote against President Donald Trump. Fealty to Trump has become the animating principle in the party – so much so that GOP lawmakers have willfully relegated themselves to second-class citizens in Washington as they’ve steadily ceded their powers and prerogatives to Trump.

But all of that makes it even more striking when they decide to actually stand up for themselves, for once.

And it’s now happened twice just this week.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/29/politics/congress-rebuke-trump-tariffs

I saw an historian being interviewed yesterday about the state of the country. He made a simple point that I believe to be true regarding what Don is doing. "Americans don't want it." They don't want a ballroom or people being killed in boats without justification or troops on city streets or members of the DOJ/FBI being fired for doing their jobs.

I thought about what he said in the context of the 5 Repub senators who voted against the government's tariff policy. It made me wonder why congressional Repubs fail to understand the power they have if they stand together.

Senators criticize Trump administration after Democrats were left out of a drug boat strike briefing​

Several Republican senators also told NBC News that Democrats should have been in the meeting.

Senators criticize Trump administration after Democrats were left out of a drug boat strike briefing

Several Republican senators also told NBC News that Democrats should have been in the meeting.

www.nbcnews.com

WASHINGTON — Lawmakers from both parties criticized the Trump administration after Democrats were not invited to a briefing Wednesday on U.S. military strikes on alleged drug-carrying boats.

Sen. Mark Warner, of Virginia, the top Democrat on the Intelligence Committee, told reporters at a news conference in the Capitol on Thursday that the partisan briefing was a "new low" for the administration.

"That is not how the system is supposed to work," he said.

What if Repub's had refused to attend the briefing unless their colleagues were invited? What if they demanded that the killings stop until trump officials provide a legal justification for killing people without evidence against them? What if they did their jobs and provided a check on executive power the Constitution intended them to be?

 

[OODA_Loop]

It made me wonder why congressional Repubs fail to understand the power they have if they stand together.

​

Because they hate you more than they hate Trump.

And its understandable.

 

[pknopp]

There is a difference in standing up to a president when it counts, like McCain did and when the vote is going nowhere like this.

 

[EMH]

I saw an historian being interviewed yesterday about the state of the country. He made a simple point that I believe to be true regarding what Don is doing. "Americans don't want it." They don't want a ballroom or people being killed in boats without justification or troops on city streets or members of the DOJ/FBI being fired for doing their jobs.

They don't want a ballroom... LOL!!! So your side is the fiscally conservative one now??

LOL!!!


The boats are running toxic drugs into America illegally.

If your side doesn't want troops in big cities, then elect people who actually enforce the laws, which you don't do.

The people who are being fired from FBI/DOJ should be prosecuted for treason and FIRED AT by a FIRING SQUAD. Then there are the judge Boasbergs who need to be impeached, prosecuted, convicted of treason, and offed too...

 

[pknopp]

They don't want a ballroom... LOL!!! So your side is the fiscally conservative one now??

LOL!!!


The boats are running toxic drugs into America illegally.

If your side doesn't want troops in big cities, then elect people who actually enforce the laws, which you don't do.

I have not seen one employer arrested. Hiring an illegal is a felony.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

There is a difference in standing up to a president when it counts, like McCain did and when the vote is going nowhere like this.

Mccain stood for nothing but his own self interests. He was no good.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

I have not seen one employer arrested. Hiring an illegal is a felony.

Archived: Detroit-area manager charged criminally for hiring illegal aliens

Edward Schlacht, a manager at a specialty pallet and box manufacturing company in northwest Detroit, was arrested Tuesday by agents with by ICE's Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) on criminal charges of knowingly accepting false documentation in the course of hiring undocumented workers.

www.ice.gov

Archived: Texas company to pay $3 million after investigation reveals hiring illegal aliens

In a non-prosecution agreement with the U.S. Attorney’s Office, Speed Fab Crete, a Texas-based builder, admitted it illegally employed individuals not authorized to work in the United States, and agreed to forfeit $3 million to the U.S. Treasury for use in promoting law enforcement activities...

www.ice.gov

ICE charges Texas bakery owners with harboring immigrants

Federal immigration agents raided the Los Fresnos bakery and detained eight workers before filing charges against the two owners.

www.texastribune.org

 

[Mac1958]

I thought about what he said in the context of the 5 Repub senators who voted against the government's tariff policy. It made me wonder why congressional Repubs fail to understand the power they have if they stand together.

I think the calculus is pretty basic: They're afraid of him. They know exactly what will happen if they do what's right and stop this:

1. They'll lose their cushy gubmit jobs by being primaried out.
2. They'll be immediately pulled from any important committee assignments they had.
3. Trump will attack them like any eight year old bully would, and then they'll be on the bad side of both the Dems and MAGA when they look for a new job.
4. Their personal safety and safety of their loved ones might be put at risk.

"That's still not enough to justify them enabling this", you may point out. You're right, of course. These people are the same breed of craven cowards who have ushered this kind of regime for centuries by doing nothing and looking the other way.

I honestly don't blame Trump for any of this. I don't hate him. He's profoundly unwell, and he's just doing what he's being allowed to do. Lay a crippled mouse in front of a hungry snake, and what is the snake going to do, by its nature?

This is on the flock and on congressional Republicans.

 

[struth]

When Republicans in Congress actually vote to rebuke Trump​

It’s no secret at this point that congressional Republicans are loathe to vote against President Donald Trump. Fealty to Trump has become the animating principle in the party – so much so that GOP lawmakers have willfully relegated themselves to second-class citizens in Washington as they’ve steadily ceded their powers and prerogatives to Trump.

But all of that makes it even more striking when they decide to actually stand up for themselves, for once.

And it’s now happened twice just this week.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/29/politics/congress-rebuke-trump-tariffs

I saw an historian being interviewed yesterday about the state of the country. He made a simple point that I believe to be true regarding what Don is doing. "Americans don't want it." They don't want a ballroom or people being killed in boats without justification or troops on city streets or members of the DOJ/FBI being fired for doing their jobs.

I thought about what he said in the context of the 5 Repub senators who voted against the government's tariff policy. It made me wonder why congressional Repubs fail to understand the power they have if they stand together.

Senators criticize Trump administration after Democrats were left out of a drug boat strike briefing​

Several Republican senators also told NBC News that Democrats should have been in the meeting.

Senators criticize Trump administration after Democrats were left out of a drug boat strike briefing

Several Republican senators also told NBC News that Democrats should have been in the meeting.

www.nbcnews.com

WASHINGTON — Lawmakers from both parties criticized the Trump administration after Democrats were not invited to a briefing Wednesday on U.S. military strikes on alleged drug-carrying boats.

Sen. Mark Warner, of Virginia, the top Democrat on the Intelligence Committee, told reporters at a news conference in the Capitol on Thursday that the partisan briefing was a "new low" for the administration.

"That is not how the system is supposed to work," he said.

What if Repub's had refused to attend the briefing unless their colleagues were invited? What if they demanded that the killings stop until trump officials provide a legal justification for killing people without evidence against them? What if they did their jobs and provided a check on executive power the Constitution intended them to be?

Yes the goo is a big tent party with different views

What won’t happen is none of these folks will be spied on or jailed unlike when xiden and Obama were in office

 

[pknopp]

Archived: Detroit-area manager charged criminally for hiring illegal aliens

Edward Schlacht, a manager at a specialty pallet and box manufacturing company in northwest Detroit, was arrested Tuesday by agents with by ICE's Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) on criminal charges of knowingly accepting false documentation in the course of hiring undocumented workers.

www.ice.gov

Archived: Texas company to pay $3 million after investigation reveals hiring illegal aliens

In a non-prosecution agreement with the U.S. Attorney’s Office, Speed Fab Crete, a Texas-based builder, admitted it illegally employed individuals not authorized to work in the United States, and agreed to forfeit $3 million to the U.S. Treasury for use in promoting law enforcement activities...

www.ice.gov

ICE charges Texas bakery owners with harboring immigrants

Federal immigration agents raided the Los Fresnos bakery and detained eight workers before filing charges against the two owners.

www.texastribune.org

2011. Please stop.

 

[berg80]

There is a difference in standing up to a president when it counts, like McCain did and when the vote is going nowhere like this.

It doesn't have to go nowhere..........which is the point.

 

[Dragonlady]

Because they hate you more than they hate Trump.

And its understandable.

“Hate” has to be the Trump Cult’s favourite word. You feed off your hatred of everyone and everything.

Hate destroys the haters. Your self destruction is evident for all to see. Your hatred is an expression of your own self loathing.

Hatred is never a reasonable response to anything. But it tells us volumes about you.

 

[OODA_Loop]

I have not seen one employer arrested. Hiring an illegal is a felony.

No its not. Its a civil penalty. Keep lying to fit your narrative though.

8 U.S. Code § 1324a - Unlawful employment of aliens​

(4) Cease and desist order with civil money penalty for hiring, recruiting, and referral violations

With respect to a violation of subsection (a)(1)(A) or (a)(2), the order under this subsection—

(A) shall require the person or entity to cease and desist from such violations and to pay a civil penalty in an amount of—
(i)
not less than $250 and not more than $2,000 for each unauthorized alien with respect to whom a violation of either such subsection occurred,
(ii)
not less than $2,000 and not more than $5,000 for each such alien in the case of a person or entity previously subject to one order under this paragraph, or
(iii)
not less than $3,000 and not more than $10,000 for each such alien in the case of a person or entity previously subject to more than one order under this paragraph; and

 

[pknopp]

It doesn't have to go nowhere..........which is the point.

And the question is whether it ever will.

 

[OODA_Loop]

“Hate” has to be the Trump Cult’s favourite word. You feed off your hatred of everyone and everything.

Hate destroys the haters. Your self destruction is evident for all to see. Your hatred is an expression of your own self loathing.

Hatred is never a reasonable response to anything. But it tells us volumes about you.

So sanctimonious.

And there is additional upside that it keeps you warm at night.

 

[pknopp]

No its not. Its a civil penalty. Keep lying to fit your narrative though.

8 U.S. Code § 1324a - Unlawful employment of aliens​

(4) Cease and desist order with civil money penalty for hiring, recruiting, and referral violations

With respect to a violation of subsection (a)(1)(A) or (a)(2), the order under this subsection—

(A) shall require the person or entity to cease and desist from such violations and to pay a civil penalty in an amount of—
(i)
not less than $250 and not more than $2,000 for each unauthorized alien with respect to whom a violation of either such subsection occurred,
(ii)
not less than $2,000 and not more than $5,000 for each such alien in the case of a person or entity previously subject to one order under this paragraph, or
(iii)
not less than $3,000 and not more than $10,000 for each such alien in the case of a person or entity previously subject to more than one order under this paragraph; and

1908. Unlawful Employment Of Aliens -- Criminal Penalties

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www.justice.gov

imprisoned for..........

 

[Blaster]

The Rino gang.

 

[berg80]

1. They'll lose their cushy gubmit jobs by being primaried out.
2. They'll be immediately pulled from any important committee assignments they had.
3. Trump will attack them like any eight year old bully would, and then they'll be on the bad side of both the Dems and MAGA when they look for a new job.
4. Their personal safety and safety of their loved ones might be put at risk.

All of those things are likely to happen. The choice they have before them is to either honor their oath of office or stand by while an autocrat and the thugs under his employ try to amass dictatorial power.

 

[OODA_Loop]

1908. Unlawful Employment Of Aliens -- Criminal Penalties

This is archived content from the U.S. Department of Justice website. The information here may be outdated and links may no longer function. Please contact webmaster@usdoj.gov if you have any questions about the archive site.

www.justice.gov

imprisoned for..........

Only if you make it a pattern or practice you can be imprisoned after fines. Swing and a miss

Subsection 1324a(f) provides that any person or entity that engages in a "pattern or practice" of violations of subsection (a)(1)(A) or (a)(2) shall be fined not more than $3000 for each unauthorized alien with respect to whom such a violation occurs, imprisoned for not more than six months for the entire pattern or practice, or both. The legislative history indicates that "a pattern or practice" of violations is to be given a common sense rather than overly technical meaning, and must evidence regular, repeated and intentional activities, but does not include isolated, sporadic or accidental acts. H.R.Rep. No. 99-682, Part 3, 99th Cong., 2d Sess. (1986), p. 59. See 8 C.F.R. § 274a.1(k).

 

[Mac1958]

All of those things are likely to happen. The choice they have before them is to either honor their oath of office or stand by while an autocrat and the thugs under his employ try to amass dictatorial power.

Yep. Looks like they've made their choice, that's for sure.