Mr. President - We The People

[rightwinger]

There has always been connotation in elections that votes cast by the public and electoral votes are distinguished from each other.

Deny it if you want but instead why don't you just strive for accuracy and clarity.

Explain it to President Gore

He, like you made no distinction between electoral votes and publicly cast votes. That's why he didn't understand why he lost.

You are the one who thought Presidents were elected by popularity

Why else would you post popular vote statistics?

 

[rightwinger]

If that were true why did the approval rating of the supreme court drop after the ruling on obamatax?

The Supreme Court is not elected

That's not the point but good deflection, why did their approval rating drop after they ruled on obamatax?

The publics approval or disapproval of the Supreme Court is irrelevant

Thas why the Constitution made it that way

 

[Sallow]

If that were true why did the approval rating of the supreme court drop after the ruling on obamatax?

Are you willing to bet on the outcome?

Nothing serious..Avatar or Sig..

Your choice.

That pile of shit is really deep. Was freddie and Fannie regulated?

This is what I don't get about you guys. You either ignore or conflate history. Freddie and Fannie are semi government agencies, they are already heavily regulated. And the Bush administration went after them for "corruption" and essentially took them out of the mortgage biz. This left the market wide open for small mortgage companies with the backing of big financial institutions who wanted big volume on these type of loans. Why? So they could package this into derivatives and sell them on the big board. Fannie and Freddie come back into the picture when the big financials were sinking and wanted to offload these loans.

So if you remove the middle part of that story..yeah..it seems like Fannie and Freddie were more heavily involved then they actually are..

But they didn't make the loans..

 

[Pheonixops]

Actually, no - I did not support the previous Administration. George W. Bush was a typical big government liberal. He spent us trillions more into debt and expanded government. What you fail to realize is that today's GOP is just the last generations liberal. Bush is no different from John F. Kenney (who publicly stated that the only way to stem a bad economy was to cut taxes - look up the audio, it's all over the internet). And today's "liberal" is really just last generations Communist/Marxist/Socialist. This sad fact is what gave rise to the Tea Party. It speaks volumes that they are called "radicals" by you Communists when all they have ever advocated is Constitutional government. They are literall ground zero of the political spectrum. Not right, not left, just advocating we act constitutionally (which says the federal government is small and very limited in its powers). Calling them a "radical" is literally calling our founders "radicals" - which just shows how far off the sanity wagon today's liberals have fallen.

Also, I do appreciate you honesty with the "shredding" statement. True, the previous Administration did shred it in regards to their fight on terrorism. But saying "how this administration shredding it any worse" is an acknowledgement that this administration is in fact shredding it. Very rare to find an honest liberal. However, my answer to that is very simple, and it is this: "Two Wrong Don't Make A Right". It's simple and it's undeniable. Don't try to justify Obama's criminal actions by pointing at George W. Bush's criminal actions. That argument simply doesn't hold up - it's as dumb as a man killing his ex-girlfriend and then claiming, "what's the problem, OJ Simpson did the same thing".

For starters, I don't call the Tea Party people 'radicals', I just question them on their political stances. I'm not a 'communist' . So Michelle Bachmann is for a 'Constitutional government' when she voted yes for the PA, NDAA?

I never stated that since "Bush did it" it's ok for Obama to do it! I simply point out the hypocrisy of the people who were either mute or supporting the very same policies when bush was doing it.

From the small sample of posts I've seen here, you appear to be one of the few rational liberals, so maybe you don't refer to the Tea Party as "radicals". But most of the people on your side of the fence do, and the irony of course, is that they are the real radicals. All of us, regardless of party, should agree that the Constitution is ground zero and should be adhered to without exception. Our founders were brilliant enough to build in a vehicle for altering the ultimate law of the land should it be required by advancements they could not possibly have predicted. But the fact that both parties skirt the amendment process to further their agenda is despicable.

For now, based on what I have seen, I will retract my statement that you are a communist and apologize (but so many on your side are now, it's very rare to encounter one that is not).

Thanks, it's better to debate or discuss the issues than to take shots at each other. I'm definitely guilty of the latter myself. :0

 

[Skull Pilot]

Explain it to President Gore

He, like you made no distinction between electoral votes and publicly cast votes. That's why he didn't understand why he lost.

You are the one who thought Presidents were elected by popularity

Why else would you post popular vote statistics?

No I said that there is a convention of distinguishing between the two. A convention that you ignored thereby lessening the clarity of your statements

 

[rightwinger]

He, like you made no distinction between electoral votes and publicly cast votes. That's why he didn't understand why he lost.

You are the one who thought Presidents were elected by popularity

Why else would you post popular vote statistics?

No I said that there is a convention of distinguishing between the two. A convention that you ignored thereby lessening the clarity of your statements

I referred to the only vote which elects presidents

The electoral vote

 

[Claudette]

I doubt seriously that Barry will win by a two to one anything in 2012.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The Supreme Court is not elected

That's not the point but good deflection, why did their approval rating drop after they ruled on obamatax?

The publics approval or disapproval of the Supreme Court is irrelevant

Thas why the Constitution made it that way

To have an approval rating to don't need to be elected. Or didn't you know this?
Nice deflection again their was a reason why the supreme court approval rating dropped

 

[Skull Pilot]

You are the one who thought Presidents were elected by popularity

Why else would you post popular vote statistics?

No I said that there is a convention of distinguishing between the two. A convention that you ignored thereby lessening the clarity of your statements

I referred to the only vote which elects presidents

The electoral vote

And unless you distinguish between "the vote" and the electoral vote the convention stands.

You ignored the convention not me therefore your statements were lacking clarity.

 

[rightwinger]

That's not the point but good deflection, why did their approval rating drop after they ruled on obamatax?

The publics approval or disapproval of the Supreme Court is irrelevant

Thas why the Constitution made it that way

To have an approval rating to don't need to be elected. Or didn't you know this?
Nice deflection again their was a reason why the supreme court approval rating dropped

You might as well have an approval rating of the weather

It makes as much difference

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Are you willing to bet on the outcome?

Nothing serious..Avatar or Sig..

Your choice.

That pile of shit is really deep. Was freddie and Fannie regulated?

This is what I don't get about you guys. You either ignore or conflate history. Freddie and Fannie are semi government agencies, they are already heavily regulated. And the Bush administration went after them for "corruption" and essentially took them out of the mortgage biz. This left the market wide open for small mortgage companies with the backing of big financial institutions who wanted big volume on these type of loans. Why? So they could package this into derivatives and sell them on the big board. Fannie and Freddie come back into the picture when the big financials were sinking and wanted to offload these loans.

So if you remove the middle part of that story..yeah..it seems like Fannie and Freddie were more heavily involved then they actually are..

But they didn't make the loans..

I don't get it either why you can argue that freddie and Fannie didn't bring the housing market down?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The publics approval or disapproval of the Supreme Court is irrelevant

Thas why the Constitution made it that way

To have an approval rating to don't need to be elected. Or didn't you know this?
Nice deflection again their was a reason why the supreme court approval rating dropped

You might as well have an approval rating of the weather

It makes as much difference

This is no longer a question but a statement when The supreme court ruled in favor of obama care it's approval rating dropped.

 

[Sallow]

That pile of shit is really deep. Was freddie and Fannie regulated?

This is what I don't get about you guys. You either ignore or conflate history. Freddie and Fannie are semi government agencies, they are already heavily regulated. And the Bush administration went after them for "corruption" and essentially took them out of the mortgage biz. This left the market wide open for small mortgage companies with the backing of big financial institutions who wanted big volume on these type of loans. Why? So they could package this into derivatives and sell them on the big board. Fannie and Freddie come back into the picture when the big financials were sinking and wanted to offload these loans.

So if you remove the middle part of that story..yeah..it seems like Fannie and Freddie were more heavily involved then they actually are..

But they didn't make the loans..

I don't get it either why you can argue that freddie and Fannie didn't bring the housing market down?

Because they didn't.

Again..while you can argue that these institutions eventually took on the loans..it's a hard stretch to having them "bring down the housing market" because of what they did.

You guys do it anyway..

 

[bigrebnc1775]

This is what I don't get about you guys. You either ignore or conflate history. Freddie and Fannie are semi government agencies, they are already heavily regulated. And the Bush administration went after them for "corruption" and essentially took them out of the mortgage biz. This left the market wide open for small mortgage companies with the backing of big financial institutions who wanted big volume on these type of loans. Why? So they could package this into derivatives and sell them on the big board. Fannie and Freddie come back into the picture when the big financials were sinking and wanted to offload these loans.

So if you remove the middle part of that story..yeah..it seems like Fannie and Freddie were more heavily involved then they actually are..

But they didn't make the loans..

I don't get it either why you can argue that freddie and Fannie didn't bring the housing market down?

Because they didn't.

Again..while you can argue that these institutions eventually took on the loans..it's a hard stretch to having them "bring down the housing market" because of what they did.

You guys do it anyway..

Yes it did happen that way.

 

[American_Jihad]

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[thanatos144]

The constitution is to liberals what garlic is to a vampire.

 

[rightwinger]

The constitution is to liberals what garlic is to a vampire.

Liberals wrote the Constitution asswipe

 

[thanatos144]

The constitution is to liberals what garlic is to a vampire.

Liberals wrote the Constitution asswipe

No patriots wrote the constitution not Marxists...See the founders believed in liberty not fascism like you liberals.

 

[rightwinger]

The constitution is to liberals what garlic is to a vampire.

Liberals wrote the Constitution asswipe

No patriots wrote the constitution not Marxists...See the founders believed in liberty not fascism like you liberals.

Liberal patriots my friend

Conservatives supported the crown

 

[Mustang]

Liberals wrote the Constitution asswipe

No patriots wrote the constitution not Marxists...See the founders believed in liberty not fascism like you liberals.

Liberal patriots my friend

Conservatives supported the crown

Yeah, the conservatives of the day supported King George and the traditional values of the day.