Most Voters Think America’s Divisions Cannot Be Overcome, Poll Says.

[Care4all]

So the constantly increasing federal budget is blameless, but instead tax cuts are?

You should not give federal income tax cuts for the surplus and surplus estimates on SS taxes collected. That is precisely what the Bush tax cuts did and were meant to do, spend the SS surplus...but it wasn't an IRS surplus, though they got the tax cut....it was an SS surplus in the budget...

THEN after tax cuts and 9/11... having huge huge budget deficits from their spending,and their tax cuts for mostly the wealthiest....yearly deficits from then on out from spending without the tax revenues, has killed us.

 

[martybegan]

Constantly increasing budget is driven primarily by entitlements, defense and now interest on the debt. None of which is touchable by anyone because our country is not serious.

Meanwhile you guys keep cutting taxes because you feel like it and the deficits keep climbing.

As usual you think like a prog, where the money is all the governments, and they get first crack at it.

Tax cuts help the economy, putting more money in the private sector.

Taxes fuel bureaucracy and government bloat, which is what Trump is taking care of this time.

 

[Marener]

As usual you think like a prog, where the money is all the governments, and they get first crack at it.

Tax cuts help the economy, putting more money in the private sector.

Taxes fuel bureaucracy and government bloat, which is what Trump is taking care of this time.

Tax cuts don’t pay for themselves.

Until you guys realize this, the discussion goes nowhere.

 

[Lisa558]

take a look around you and ask yourself how healthy this country is.

Fiscally? Culturally? Politically?

Nothing is working right. It didn’t happen overnight. It took decades. The core of this country has been hollowed out, turned into profit, and granted to the elites.

Future generations are fighting over the scraps.

So let’s start:

1) Deport all illegals.

2) Consolidate redundant government departments and cut the spending by 10% and the staff by 30%.

 

[martybegan]

You should not give federal income tax cuts for the surplus and surplus estimates on SS taxes collected. That is precisely what the Bush tax cuts did and were meant to do, spend the SS surplus...but it wasn't an IRS surplus, though they got the tax cut....it was an SS surplus in the budget...

THEN after tax cuts and 9/11... having huge huge budget deficits from their spending,and their tax cuts for mostly the wealthiest....yearly deficits from then on out from spending without the tax revenues, has killed us.

Those tax cuts weren't based on the surplus, they were based on the economic theory of returning more money to the private economy. The SS surpluses were used to increase government size and spending, and now that gravy train is coming to an end.

It all starts with the inability to admit the government is just overhead and should not be a driver of our economy.

 

[Marener]

So let’s start:

1) Deport all illegals.

2) Consolidate redundant government departments and cut the spending by 10% and the staff by 30%.

Deporting all illegals makes the social security problem worse. You’re eliminating millions of jobs and a lot of revenue for the system.

When the social security trust fund runs out, benefits are automatically cut roughly 30%.

What do you think will happen?

 

[martybegan]

Tax cuts don’t pay for themselves.

Until you guys realize this, the discussion goes nowhere.

Tax cuts don't have to pay for anything, they simply stop more money from leaving people's pockets to the government.

taxes have to pay for the government, but the idea that "figure out what we want to do then tax/borrow to fund it" is sheer idiocy.

The right mindset is "figure out how much income we can get from taxes, then figure out what we can do with it"

 

[Marener]

Tax cuts don't have to pay for anything, they simply stop more money from leaving people's pockets to the government.

taxes have to pay for the government, but the idea that "figure out what we want to do then tax/borrow to fund it" is sheer idiocy.

The right mindset is "figure out how much income we can get from taxes, then figure out what we can do with it"

So why are you guys obsessed with cutting taxes when we are already in a fiscal chasm?

 

[martybegan]

So why are you guys obsessed with cutting taxes when we are already in a fiscal chasm?

Because you need to starve the beast before you can control it.

 

[Lisa558]

Deporting all illegals makes the social security problem worse. You’re eliminating millions of jobs and a lot of revenue for the system.

But we’re saving $150 billion a year in taxes overall. Divert the savings from the illegals to SS.

When the social security trust fund runs out, benefits are automatically cut roughly 30%.

What do you think will happen?

It won’t. At worst, they’ll reduce benefits for people with incomes over $150,000 or whatever. The working class that gets more of their money back won’t see any cuts.

 

[Marener]

Because you need to starve the beast before you can control it.

That is the dumbest, most meaningless thing you could have said.

You’re saying that you created $37 trillion of debt intentionally. For what?

 

[Marener]

But we’re saving $150 billion a year in taxes overall. Divert the savings from the illegals to SS.

That’s a fantasy. There isn’t $150 in savings. All you’re doing is lowering economic output and making things more expensive for average Americans.

It won’t. At worst, they’ll reduce benefits for people with incomes over $150,000 or whatever. The working class that gets more of their money back won’t see any cuts.

So where is the extra money going to come from?

 

[martybegan]

That is the dumbest, most meaningless thing you could have said.

You’re saying that you created $37 trillion of debt intentionally. For what?

Multiple reasons depending on the people in question.

Government lovers to make government bigger and more controlling.
Democrats to pad their base with more government workers

And then you have the people who forgot about the 2nd part of Keysean deficit spending during economic downturns, you are supposed to create surpluses during times of economic strength.

The last President to do that was Bill Clinton.

 

[leftwinger]

We make two changes, if the Dems would allow it:

1) Increase the contribution amount by 1%
2) Move the retirement age forward by one year.

The system was set up when people lived just several years past 65 - not thirty years. We need to correct for that.

It was a "contract" with workers. To change it on the fly seems wrong?

Also the retirement age is BS. It is your money in there. A 70 year old truck driver or roofer is absurd. Age 55 if they need? Not everyone is the same.

They stole our money from the fund. They hand it out in SSDI funds to illegals and phony bad back scams.

 

[Marener]

Multiple reasons depending on the people in question.

Government lovers to make government bigger and more controlling.
Democrats to pad their base with more government workers

And then you have the people who forgot about the 2nd part of Keysean deficit spending during economic downturns, you are supposed to create surpluses during times of economic strength.

The last President to do that was Bill Clinton.

Was there an economic downturn in 2017 when Trump passed his tax cuts? What about 2003 when Bush passed a tax cut?

 

[leftwinger]

But isn't THAT exactly what Trump has done and is doing with making the convicted and friend sex trafficker and sexual abuse of minors Ghislaine Maxwell a queen for a day, then by Trump moving her from a higher security prison to a CLUB FED with NO security prison resort....and with Trump considering pardoning her?

And with Trump saying about EPSTEIN and the Epstein Files that, THERE IS NOTHING TO SEE HERE, Epstein who? With Trump trying to hide from all of us, the sex trafficking ring of an estimated a thousand minor girls and models raped?

Isn't Trump brushing off the rich and famous billionaire boys club at 50 having sex with vulnerable 14 year old girls and grooming them to be prostitutes for the millionaires, desensitization of minor child sex trafficking by him, making every one of you ignore it, as he tells you to do...make you waxed cold pieces of deviant crap, just like him?

Time for your prosac, fruitcake.

 

[leftwinger]

$37 trillion in debt and huge unfunded obligations…


…but at least we got iPads.

Jesus Christ, you really have lost perspective.

You sheeatbags own it. Since Oboden $28T stolen, wasted or lost. 12 years of Obiden crime through GOVT top to bottom.

 

[martybegan]

Was there an economic downturn in 2017 when Trump passed his tax cuts? What about 2003 when Bush passed a tax cut?

Keysian spending and taxing are two different things.

Tax cuts are another way to spur on an economy, unless you think government is the most important part of it.

 

[leftwinger]

And why did we need a tax cut in 2017 exactly?

To jump start the dead economy, jobs. You dumb bag of horse manure.

 

[Marener]

Keysian spending and taxing are two different things.

Tax cuts are another way to spur on an economy, unless you think government is the most important part of it.

They’re not that different. Deficit spending is stimulatory. Whether that comes from increasing government programs or lower government taxes.

We didn’t need to stimulate the economy in 2003 or 2017. We were already going fine.

Trump and MAGA claim the economy from 2017 to 2019 was the most amazing economy we’ve ever had. Yet we still couldn’t even come close to balancing the budget, deficits only worsened.