Most Palestinians see fresh peace talks as error

[Sweet_Caroline]

You interpret a video how you want it to turn out. Anyone can see it was amicable at the end.

There's nothing amicable about shooting tear gas at people harvesting olives.

But you're okay with that. You're also okay with shooting people fishing and farming.

And you wonder why people hate Israeli's?

You do not know the story. Without knowledge of what transpired you do not know whether it was Israelis or Arabs harvesting. You do not know whether they were harvesting on land that was not theirs. Stop trying to assume things that you do not have any knowledge about.

 

[Billo_Really]

You do not know the story. Without knowledge of what transpired you do not know whether it was Israelis or Arabs harvesting. You do not know whether they were harvesting on land that was not theirs. Stop trying to assume things that you do not have any knowledge about.

I don't care if that was Israeli's harvesting olives, you don't shoot tear gas at people farming.

The fact you can't bring yourself to deal with that, shows just how inhuman you are.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

You do not know the story. Without knowledge of what transpired you do not know whether it was Israelis or Arabs harvesting. You do not know whether they were harvesting on land that was not theirs. Stop trying to assume things that you do not have any knowledge about.

I don't care if that was Israeli's harvesting olives, you don't shoot tear gas at people farming.

The fact you can't bring yourself to deal with that, shows just how inhuman you are.

When you know the story you can comment, but as you don't then you cannot. Stop trying to show Israel in a bad light in every single opportunity you can find.

 

[Jroc]

You do not know the story. Without knowledge of what transpired you do not know whether it was Israelis or Arabs harvesting. You do not know whether they were harvesting on land that was not theirs. Stop trying to assume things that you do not have any knowledge about.

I don't care if that was Israeli's harvesting olives, you don't shoot tear gas at people farming.

The fact you can't bring yourself to deal with that, shows just how inhuman you are.

When you know the story you can comment, but as you don't then you cannot. Stop trying to show Israel in a bad light in every single opportunity you can find.

He only knows what his Jew hating we-sites tell him

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

I don't care if that was Israeli's harvesting olives, you don't shoot tear gas at people farming.

The fact you can't bring yourself to deal with that, shows just how inhuman you are.

When you know the story you can comment, but as you don't then you cannot. Stop trying to show Israel in a bad light in every single opportunity you can find.

He only knows what his Jew hating we-sites tell him

Exactly. A person watching a video in another language, without knowledge of what is happening, can interpret the results any way they choose. Like the video of "Palestinian farmers" that he posted on another thread yesterday. This one.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msMjz7XGj7w]Israeli soldiers shooting at farmers in Khuza´a, Gaza Strip 12 12 2012 - YouTube[/ame]

So close to the border fence with Israel it is bound to be a scene of contention. We don't know that they are farmers, the land doesn't look much like farming land to me, approach the border and the Israelis are bound to fire warning shots.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Did I ever tell you about San Remo Mandate. I could swear I did. Would you like to save me the trouble of posting it again (for the ninth time as I am keeping count), or would you like me for the ninth time to inform you again. I am very patient so I could if you want to know about it. I do believe you have the memory of a goldfish.

And do you realize the Mandate also had the caveat that the state of Israel could be created, as long as it didn't disenfranchise the existing non-Jewish population...

"His Majesty’s Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.”

- Arthur James Balfour, [Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs]

...which it obviously did.

Ergo, Zionists did not honor the Mandate.

How did the Jews not honor the Mandate.

The mandate was to assist immigrating Jews in obtaining Palestinian citizenship and join with the existing population in a state with equal rights.

The Jews were pushing for an exclusive Jewish state that would push aside or push out the Christians and Muslims.

The 1939 white paper clarified the purpose of the mandate. The paper specifically stated that there was not to be a Jewish state.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Can Israel get any more evil than this shit?


IDF soldiers Fires Tear Gas at Palestinian Families Harvesting Olives, Tarqumiya 6.10.2012 - YouTube



Tear gassing people harvesting olives!

Fuck you, Israel! I mean, fuck you!

The IDF is lower than whale shit.

 

[TRFjr]

Obviously not enough, since Israelis are still being killed by Palestinian terrorists.

Right. Palestinian's resisting the foreign occupation of their land, are called terrorists.

Israeli troops murdering innocent Palestinian civilians, are merely defending Israel.

You're pretty in the head!

I'll tell you this, after all the shit Zionists have done to the Palestinian's...

•Total number of Palestinians expelled during Israel's creation (1947-49): Between 750,000 and 1 million.

•Number of Palestinians expelled prior to Israel's declaration of independence on May 14, 1948, and the ensuing war with neighboring Arab states: Between 250,000 and 350,000.

•Total number of Palestinian population centers systematically destroyed during Israel's creation (1947-49): More than 400.

•Number of population centers ethnically cleansed of their Palestinian Arab inhabitants by Zionist forces prior to Israel's declaration of independence on May 14, 1948, and the ensuing war with neighboring Arab states: More than 200.

•Number of documented massacres of Palestinians by Zionist and Israeli forces during Israel's creation: At least two dozen. The most notorious took place at Deir Yassin on April 9, 1948, when more than 100 Palestinian men, women, and children were murdered by Zionist paramilitaries belonging to the Stern Gang and Irgun (led by future Israeli Prime Ministers Yitzhak Shamir and Menachem Begin, respectively). These atrocities spurred the mass flight of Palestinians, and were instrumental in facilitating the creation of a Jewish-majority state in a region in which Palestinian Arabs were the majority.

•Number of Palestinians who survived the expulsions, remaining within the borders of the new Israeli state: Approximately 150,000. Although granted Israeli citizenship, they were governed by Israeli military rule until 1966, had most of their land taken from them, and continue to suffer widespread, systematic discrimination today as non-Jews living in a "Jewish state."

•The total monetary loss of Palestinians dispossessed during Israel's creation has been estimated at between of $100 billion and $200 billion (US) in today's dollars.

•The expulsion of the majority of the Arab population of what became Israel during the state's establishment was not an unintended consequence of war, but rather a preconceived strategy of "transfer" to ensure the creation of a Jewish majority state. (See here for more on "transfer" in early Zionist thinking.) The military blueprint for the ethnic cleansing of Palestine was called Plan Dalet (or Plan D) and was formally approved by the Zionist leadership on March 10, 1948. It called for:

"Destruction of villages (setting fire to, blowing up, and planting mines in the debris), especially those population centers which are difficult to control continuously.

"Mounting search and control operations according to the following guidelines: encirclement of the village and conducting a search inside it. In the event of resistance, the armed force must be destroyed and the population must be expelled outside the borders of the state."​

... Israeli's should be killed!

first off it was never Palestine land it was always owned by someone else second Israel was rightfully given to the Jews by the united nations and the other parts of Israel was occupied obtained from the spoils of war that Israel wasn't the aggressor

when you are the aggressor in a war and you lose that war there is consequences just ask Germany and Japan. should we give all the land back to Germany and Japan they had before they lost ww2

 

[Hollie]

Can Israel get any more evil than this shit?


IDF soldiers Fires Tear Gas at Palestinian Families Harvesting Olives, Tarqumiya 6.10.2012 - YouTube



Tear gassing people harvesting olives!

Fuck you, Israel! I mean, fuck you!

The IDF is lower than whale shit.

Insightful, compelling testimony. Typical for the intellectually stunted YouTube cut and paste cabal.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

And do you realize the Mandate also had the caveat that the state of Israel could be created, as long as it didn't disenfranchise the existing non-Jewish population...
...which it obviously did.

Ergo, Zionists did not honor the Mandate.

How did the Jews not honor the Mandate.

The mandate was to assist immigrating Jews in obtaining Palestinian citizenship and join with the existing population in a state with equal rights.

The Jews were pushing for an exclusive Jewish state that would push aside or push out the Christians and Muslims.

The 1939 white paper clarified the purpose of the mandate. The paper specifically stated that there was not to be a Jewish state.

The land was given as a Jewish State in the Mandate in 1922.

Article 6 states:
The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency. referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews, on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes.

Article 80:
Article 80 of the UN Charter, once known unofficially as the Jewish People’s clause, which preserves intact all the rights granted to Jews under the Mandate for Palestine, even after the Mandate’s expiry on May 14-15, 1948.
Under this provision of international law (the Charter is an international treaty), Jewish rights to Palestine and the Land of Israel were not to be altered in any way unless there had been an intervening trusteeship agreement between the states or parties concerned, which would have converted the Mandate into a trusteeship or trust territory. The only period of time such an agreement could have been concluded under Chapter 12 of the UN Charter was during the three-year period from October 24, 1945, the date the Charter entered into force after appropriate ratifications, until May 14-15, 1948, the date the Mandate expired and the State of Israel was proclaimed. Since no agreement of this type was made during this relevant three-year period, in which Jewish rights to all of Palestine may conceivably have been altered had Palestine been converted into a trust territory, those Jewish rights that had existed under the Mandate remained in full force and effect, to which the UN is still committed by Article 80 to uphold, or is prohibited from altering.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Obviously not enough, since Israelis are still being killed by Palestinian terrorists.

Right. Palestinian's resisting the foreign occupation of their land, are called terrorists.

Israeli troops murdering innocent Palestinian civilians, are merely defending Israel.

You're pretty in the head!

I'll tell you this, after all the shit Zionists have done to the Palestinian's...

•Total number of Palestinians expelled during Israel's creation (1947-49): Between 750,000 and 1 million.

•Number of Palestinians expelled prior to Israel's declaration of independence on May 14, 1948, and the ensuing war with neighboring Arab states: Between 250,000 and 350,000.

•Total number of Palestinian population centers systematically destroyed during Israel's creation (1947-49): More than 400.

•Number of population centers ethnically cleansed of their Palestinian Arab inhabitants by Zionist forces prior to Israel's declaration of independence on May 14, 1948, and the ensuing war with neighboring Arab states: More than 200.

•Number of documented massacres of Palestinians by Zionist and Israeli forces during Israel's creation: At least two dozen. The most notorious took place at Deir Yassin on April 9, 1948, when more than 100 Palestinian men, women, and children were murdered by Zionist paramilitaries belonging to the Stern Gang and Irgun (led by future Israeli Prime Ministers Yitzhak Shamir and Menachem Begin, respectively). These atrocities spurred the mass flight of Palestinians, and were instrumental in facilitating the creation of a Jewish-majority state in a region in which Palestinian Arabs were the majority.

•Number of Palestinians who survived the expulsions, remaining within the borders of the new Israeli state: Approximately 150,000. Although granted Israeli citizenship, they were governed by Israeli military rule until 1966, had most of their land taken from them, and continue to suffer widespread, systematic discrimination today as non-Jews living in a "Jewish state."

•The total monetary loss of Palestinians dispossessed during Israel's creation has been estimated at between of $100 billion and $200 billion (US) in today's dollars.

•The expulsion of the majority of the Arab population of what became Israel during the state's establishment was not an unintended consequence of war, but rather a preconceived strategy of "transfer" to ensure the creation of a Jewish majority state. (See here for more on "transfer" in early Zionist thinking.) The military blueprint for the ethnic cleansing of Palestine was called Plan Dalet (or Plan D) and was formally approved by the Zionist leadership on March 10, 1948. It called for:

"Destruction of villages (setting fire to, blowing up, and planting mines in the debris), especially those population centers which are difficult to control continuously.

"Mounting search and control operations according to the following guidelines: encirclement of the village and conducting a search inside it. In the event of resistance, the armed force must be destroyed and the population must be expelled outside the borders of the state."​

... Israeli's should be killed!

first off it was never Palestine land it was always owned by someone else second Israel was rightfully given to the Jews by the united nations and the other parts of Israel was occupied obtained from the spoils of war that Israel wasn't the aggressor

when you are the aggressor in a war and you lose that war there is consequences just ask Germany and Japan. should we give all the land back to Germany and Japan they had before they lost ww2

The UN did not give Israel any land.

The Palestinians never lost a war with Israel.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

The UN never had sovereignty rights in any land in Palestine to give to anyone.

 

[Jroc]

Right. Palestinian's resisting the foreign occupation of their land, are called terrorists.

Israeli troops murdering innocent Palestinian civilians, are merely defending Israel.

You're pretty in the head!

I'll tell you this, after all the shit Zionists have done to the Palestinian's...
... Israeli's should be killed!

first off it was never Palestine land it was always owned by someone else second Israel was rightfully given to the Jews by the united nations and the other parts of Israel was occupied obtained from the spoils of war that Israel wasn't the aggressor

when you are the aggressor in a war and you lose that war there is consequences just ask Germany and Japan. should we give all the land back to Germany and Japan they had before they lost ww2

The UN did not give Israel any land.

The Palestinians never lost a war with Israel.

They bet on their Arab brothers to "drive the Jews into the sea".... Wrong bet

 

[P F Tinmore]

When you know the story you can comment, but as you don't then you cannot. Stop trying to show Israel in a bad light in every single opportunity you can find.

He only knows what his Jew hating we-sites tell him

Exactly. A person watching a video in another language, without knowledge of what is happening, can interpret the results any way they choose. Like the video of "Palestinian farmers" that he posted on another thread yesterday. This one.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msMjz7XGj7w]Israeli soldiers shooting at farmers in Khuza´a, Gaza Strip 12 12 2012 - YouTube[/ame]

So close to the border fence with Israel it is bound to be a scene of contention. We don't know that they are farmers, the land doesn't look much like farming land to me, approach the border and the Israelis are bound to fire warning shots.

Not since these assholes bulldozed it.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgjmYEuuYXQ]Israeli Bulldozers invade and destroy Palestinian land in Gaza - YouTube[/ame]

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Olive Harvest 2013 | Rabbis for Human RightsRabbis for Human Rights

You cannot interpret a video if you do not know what is happening and unless you speak Arabic or Hebrew you have no idea what is going on. The end of the video shows an agreement, so whatever was going on the matter was resolved.

You can clearly see in the video people on one side of the fence picking olives. Then the IDF comes up in their Humvee and you can clearly see one of the soldiers shooting tear gas at the olive pickers, while one Palestinian is just standing there talking to them!

You fucking excuse every god-damn thing they fucking do no matter how evil the act is.

Go fuck yourself! I really mean that!

And fuck your bullshit excuse to!

There is article after article addressing incidents in the olive harvest on Rabbis For Human Rights website. Their organization mobilizes volunteers to be present when olives are harvested, acts designed to minimize Israeli attacks.

Here is the recap of this last season and its many human rights abuses.


Rabbi Yehiel Grenimann, Director of Human Rights in the Occupied Territories, summarizes the 2013 RHR Olive Harvest:

As always, a number of incidents did occur.

They included:

Delays on farmers: Awarta

Attacks on the farmers-:Burin,*Mureir, Sinji (including settlers with arms who disrupted the harvest),Yasuf,

Military drills interfering with the harvest: Qusra

Expulsion and denial of access to lands: Kefar Qadum, Jayyous, Kariot, Nazlat*‘Isa*and Deir Rassoun, Imtan, Azmut

Logging and leveling of lands: Azun,*Kuffor Laqef

Olive theft: Aqraba, Fur’ata, Jit

Arrests: A farmer from Sinjil was arrested

Burnt trees:*Jalud

Vandalized cars: Jalud

Destroyed school: Jalud

Failure to provide sufficient days for harvest: Kariot

Sewage poisoning trees: Al-Janiya

Olive Harvest 2013 | Rabbis for Human RightsRabbis for Human Rights

 

[MJB12741]

HUH??? Are you not even aware of UN resolution 181? Do you think maybe the Palestinians made a hugh mistake by rejecting it & thus making it non binding?

Right. Palestinian's resisting the foreign occupation of their land, are called terrorists.

Israeli troops murdering innocent Palestinian civilians, are merely defending Israel.

You're pretty in the head!

I'll tell you this, after all the shit Zionists have done to the Palestinian's...
... Israeli's should be killed!

first off it was never Palestine land it was always owned by someone else second Israel was rightfully given to the Jews by the united nations and the other parts of Israel was occupied obtained from the spoils of war that Israel wasn't the aggressor

when you are the aggressor in a war and you lose that war there is consequences just ask Germany and Japan. should we give all the land back to Germany and Japan they had before they lost ww2

The UN did not give Israel any land.

The Palestinians never lost a war with Israel.

 

[Hollie]

The UN never had sovereignty rights in any land in Palestine to give to anyone.

Neither did the Ottoman Turk Crusaders.

 

[P F Tinmore]

HUH??? Are you not even aware of UN resolution 181? Do you think maybe the Palestinians made a hugh mistake by rejecting it & thus making it non binding?

first off it was never Palestine land it was always owned by someone else second Israel was rightfully given to the Jews by the united nations and the other parts of Israel was occupied obtained from the spoils of war that Israel wasn't the aggressor

when you are the aggressor in a war and you lose that war there is consequences just ask Germany and Japan. should we give all the land back to Germany and Japan they had before they lost ww2

The UN did not give Israel any land.

The Palestinians never lost a war with Israel.

The Palestinians had the right to reject the partition of their land and they did. Consequently the Security Council did not implement the plan. No land was given to Israel.

Resolution 181 was/is a dead issue.

I don't see a mistake.

 

[Billo_Really]

When you know the story you can comment, but as you don't then you cannot.

I know the story. I saw some IDF prick fire tear gas at people harvesting olives.

It doesn't matter how many bullshit excuses you come up with, it doesn't change what you see in the video.

Stop trying to show Israel in a bad light in every single opportunity you can find.

Stop trying to put lipstick on a pig.

Israel is putting themselves in a bad light by committing all these atrocities.

And the fact you can't speak out against these purely evil acts, shows just how sick your society is.

 

[Billo_Really]

first off it was never Palestine land it was always owned by someone else second Israel was rightfully given to the Jews by the united nations and the other parts of Israel was occupied obtained from the spoils of war that Israel wasn't the aggressor

when you are the aggressor in a war and you lose that war there is consequences just ask Germany and Japan. should we give all the land back to Germany and Japan they had before they lost ww2

Holding onto land seized in a war has been illegal since the end of WWII.