Mosque On Ground Zero. An Act Of Aggression: Yea Or Nay?

[LibocalypseNow]

you might as well take the Paul avatar off in favor of a hanging noose, you typing ******* joke.

More Race-Baiting lameness. You're a moronic One Trick Pony. "YOU A RAAAAAACIST!!" Try some originality. Sheesh!

trust me, massahh... the irony couldn't be any thicker coming from the guy insisting that intolerance is the right way. I'll go ahead and stick to curb stomping bitches like you into retarded pulp, thanks.

Really really lame Race-Baiting. One Trick Pony for sure.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

hey... YOU are the one insisting that sometimes intolerance is a good thing (for tree roots).

Sometimes intolerance is a good thing. Use your head. You can't,shouldn't,and probably don't tolerate everything in life. Personally i believe these Mosque builders could show some compassion & understanding by building their large Mosque somewhere else. So yes i am intolerant on this issue. Like i said earlier,i don't care what labels are thrown at me by the usual suspects. They're just parroting what they have been indoctrinated on their whole lives. Their reactions are robotic & predictable. I am very proud to be intolerant on this issue. Tolerance really is over-rated.

Why would it be compassionate to build elsewhere? What did they have to do with 9/11?

Really, what did they have anything, at all, to do with it?

It would only be "compassionate" not to build there, if it were, you know, somehow related to 9/11, but only idiots painting with big giant brushes think that.

It's insensitive and you guys know it. Now you're just spinning more stale talking-points. You guys really are robotic & predictable. If these builders really wanted to show some peace,love,and compassion they would build their large Mosque somewhere else. I know Millions of Americans would be incredibly grateful for this. They have a chance to do the right thing. I guess we'll see if they take this opportunity to do that. But please stop spewing your tired "Tolerance" rants. Intolerance is not only right sometimes but it can also be necessary. It's that way in your own life. You're just too indoctrinated with PC insanity to understand this.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Ordinarily, a government can exercise eminent domain only if its taking will be for a "public use" - which may be expansively defined along the lines of public "safety, health, interest, or convenience". Perhaps the most common example of a "public use" is the taking of land to build or expand a public road or highway. Public use could also include the taking of land to build a school or municipal building, for a public park, or to redevelop a "blighted" property or neighborhood.



All done by legal process.

If the government is not successful, or if the property owner is not satisfied with the outcome, either side may appeal the decision.

Eminent Domain​

Just because the government has decided that it has the power of eminent domain doesn't make it any less theft. When you take something that doesn't belong to you you're stealing. It doesn't matter if you're a government or a private person.

Interesting stuff. That Supreme Court ruling was gleefully applauded by all Liberals such as yourself. The ruling took place while Bush was in office. All Liberals on this very board applauded Ginsberg for her support of Eminent Domain Laws. So why the sudden change of heart on Eminent Domain Laws by you Liberals? Could it be that da BOOOOOOOOSH is no longer in office? Yea you guys loved that ruling on Eminent Domain when da BOOOOOOOSH was in there. You guys have lost credibility on that issue as well as many others. I do not support Eminent Domain Laws and i never have. Nice to see you Liberals coming around but i'm afraid it's just a matter of political convenience for you guys.

I'm a liberal all of a sudden?

You claim to be a supporter of Ron Paul, but then ignore the backbone of his philosophy which is property rights. You say you don't support eminent domain, but you refuse to answer whether or not the government should step in and force the Muslims to build this mosque elsewhere.

 

[Sky Dancer]

It's not an act of aggression to build a mosque on private property several blocks from Ground Zero.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Just because the government has decided that it has the power of eminent domain doesn't make it any less theft. When you take something that doesn't belong to you you're stealing. It doesn't matter if you're a government or a private person.

Interesting stuff. That Supreme Court ruling was gleefully applauded by all Liberals such as yourself. The ruling took place while Bush was in office. All Liberals on this very board applauded Ginsberg for her support of Eminent Domain Laws. So why the sudden change of heart on Eminent Domain Laws by you Liberals? Could it be that da BOOOOOOOOSH is no longer in office? Yea you guys loved that ruling on Eminent Domain when da BOOOOOOOSH was in there. You guys have lost credibility on that issue as well as many others. I do not support Eminent Domain Laws and i never have. Nice to see you Liberals coming around but i'm afraid it's just a matter of political convenience for you guys.

I'm a liberal all of a sudden?

You claim to be a supporter of Ron Paul, but then ignore the backbone of his philosophy which is property rights. You say you don't support eminent domain, but you refuse to answer whether or not the government should step in and force the Muslims to build this mosque elsewhere.

I have already said i don't and never have supported Eminent Domain Laws. So obviously i would like to see this situation resolved in some other way. I also stand by my point that Liberal loons like you were on this very board applauding and cheering for Ginsberg's deciding vote on that Supreme Court ruling. But that was back when da BOOOOOOOOSH was in there right? Now you same Liberal loons suddenly feel differently about Eminent Domain. I still call BULL CHIT on you guys. It was all about dat BOOOOOOOOSH for you guys. You didn't care about the Government stealing citizens' properties back then.

 

[Shogun]

Interesting stuff. That Supreme Court ruling was gleefully applauded by all Liberals such as yourself. The ruling took place while Bush was in office. All Liberals on this very board applauded Ginsberg for her support of Eminent Domain Laws. So why the sudden change of heart on Eminent Domain Laws by you Liberals? Could it be that da BOOOOOOOOSH is no longer in office? Yea you guys loved that ruling on Eminent Domain when da BOOOOOOOSH was in there. You guys have lost credibility on that issue as well as many others. I do not support Eminent Domain Laws and i never have. Nice to see you Liberals coming around but i'm afraid it's just a matter of political convenience for you guys.

I'm a liberal all of a sudden?

You claim to be a supporter of Ron Paul, but then ignore the backbone of his philosophy which is property rights. You say you don't support eminent domain, but you refuse to answer whether or not the government should step in and force the Muslims to build this mosque elsewhere.

I have already said i don't and never have supported Eminent Domain Laws. So obviously i would like to see this situation resolved in some other way. I also stand by my point that Liberal loons like you were on this very board applauding and cheering for Ginsberg's deciding vote on that Supreme Court ruling. But that was back when da BOOOOOOOOSH was in there right? Now you same Liberal loons suddenly feel differently about Eminent Domain. I still call BULL CHIT on you guys. It was all about dat BOOOOOOOOSH for you guys. You didn't care about the Government stealing citizens' properties back then.

well, again, you are a ******* baseless moron then. Clearly, one that is too much of a stinking ***** to provide evidence of such a charge.

PROVE it. I DARE you.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Interesting stuff. That Supreme Court ruling was gleefully applauded by all Liberals such as yourself. The ruling took place while Bush was in office. All Liberals on this very board applauded Ginsberg for her support of Eminent Domain Laws. So why the sudden change of heart on Eminent Domain Laws by you Liberals? Could it be that da BOOOOOOOOSH is no longer in office? Yea you guys loved that ruling on Eminent Domain when da BOOOOOOOSH was in there. You guys have lost credibility on that issue as well as many others. I do not support Eminent Domain Laws and i never have. Nice to see you Liberals coming around but i'm afraid it's just a matter of political convenience for you guys.

I'm a liberal all of a sudden?

You claim to be a supporter of Ron Paul, but then ignore the backbone of his philosophy which is property rights. You say you don't support eminent domain, but you refuse to answer whether or not the government should step in and force the Muslims to build this mosque elsewhere.

I have already said i don't and never have supported Eminent Domain Laws. So obviously i would like to see this situation resolved in some other way. I also stand by my point that Liberal loons like you were on this very board applauding and cheering for Ginsberg's deciding vote on that Supreme Court ruling. But that was back when da BOOOOOOOOSH was in there right? Now you same Liberal loons suddenly feel differently about Eminent Domain. I still call BULL CHIT on you guys. It was all about dat BOOOOOOOOSH for you guys. You didn't care about the Government stealing citizens' properties back then.

Well, for starters, it wouldn't make sense for partisan liberals to support eminent domain when Bush was in office. Partisan liberals would have opposed eminent domain during the Bush administration, and would now support it during the Obama administration. Not the other way around.

Secondly, you can keep calling me a liberal if you want, but that won't make it true. I'm a libertarian, not a liberal. As such, I'll consistently defend property rights.

Finally, if you don't support eminent domain then explain what you want to happen. They're going to build the mosque on this property, it doesn't matter if you want them to or not. Short of advocating that the government step in and force them to build elsewhere there's nothing to be done about it. So which is it? Will you advocate the use of government force, or will you accept that they have the right to build a mosque on their own property even if you think it's "aggressive?"

 

[ConHog]

Interesting stuff. That Supreme Court ruling was gleefully applauded by all Liberals such as yourself. The ruling took place while Bush was in office. All Liberals on this very board applauded Ginsberg for her support of Eminent Domain Laws. So why the sudden change of heart on Eminent Domain Laws by you Liberals? Could it be that da BOOOOOOOOSH is no longer in office? Yea you guys loved that ruling on Eminent Domain when da BOOOOOOOSH was in there. You guys have lost credibility on that issue as well as many others. I do not support Eminent Domain Laws and i never have. Nice to see you Liberals coming around but i'm afraid it's just a matter of political convenience for you guys.

I'm a liberal all of a sudden?

You claim to be a supporter of Ron Paul, but then ignore the backbone of his philosophy which is property rights. You say you don't support eminent domain, but you refuse to answer whether or not the government should step in and force the Muslims to build this mosque elsewhere.

I have already said i don't and never have supported Eminent Domain Laws. So obviously i would like to see this situation resolved in some other way. I also stand by my point that Liberal loons like you were on this very board applauding and cheering for Ginsberg's deciding vote on that Supreme Court ruling. But that was back when da BOOOOOOOOSH was in there right? Now you same Liberal loons suddenly feel differently about Eminent Domain. I still call BULL CHIT on you guys. It was all about dat BOOOOOOOOSH for you guys. You didn't care about the Government stealing citizens' properties back then.

and they don't care about Muslims rights now. All they care about is defending the leftist apologetic agenda.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

I'm a liberal all of a sudden?

You claim to be a supporter of Ron Paul, but then ignore the backbone of his philosophy which is property rights. You say you don't support eminent domain, but you refuse to answer whether or not the government should step in and force the Muslims to build this mosque elsewhere.

I have already said i don't and never have supported Eminent Domain Laws. So obviously i would like to see this situation resolved in some other way. I also stand by my point that Liberal loons like you were on this very board applauding and cheering for Ginsberg's deciding vote on that Supreme Court ruling. But that was back when da BOOOOOOOOSH was in there right? Now you same Liberal loons suddenly feel differently about Eminent Domain. I still call BULL CHIT on you guys. It was all about dat BOOOOOOOOSH for you guys. You didn't care about the Government stealing citizens' properties back then.

and they don't care about Muslims rights now. All they care about is defending the leftist apologetic agenda.

Defending property rights isn't some "leftist apologetic agenda." Property rights are the basis of liberty, and if you want to attack the property rights of one group then you undermine liberty for everyone.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

I'm a liberal all of a sudden?

You claim to be a supporter of Ron Paul, but then ignore the backbone of his philosophy which is property rights. You say you don't support eminent domain, but you refuse to answer whether or not the government should step in and force the Muslims to build this mosque elsewhere.

I have already said i don't and never have supported Eminent Domain Laws. So obviously i would like to see this situation resolved in some other way. I also stand by my point that Liberal loons like you were on this very board applauding and cheering for Ginsberg's deciding vote on that Supreme Court ruling. But that was back when da BOOOOOOOOSH was in there right? Now you same Liberal loons suddenly feel differently about Eminent Domain. I still call BULL CHIT on you guys. It was all about dat BOOOOOOOOSH for you guys. You didn't care about the Government stealing citizens' properties back then.

Well, for starters, it wouldn't make sense for partisan liberals to support eminent domain when Bush was in office. Partisan liberals would have opposed eminent domain during the Bush administration, and would now support it during the Obama administration. Not the other way around.

Secondly, you can keep calling me a liberal if you want, but that won't make it true. I'm a libertarian, not a liberal. As such, I'll consistently defend property rights.

Finally, if you don't support eminent domain then explain what you want to happen. They're going to build the mosque on this property, it doesn't matter if you want them to or not. Short of advocating that the government step in and force them to build elsewhere there's nothing to be done about it. So which is it? Will you advocate the use of government force, or will you accept that they have the right to build a mosque on their own property even if you think it's "aggressive?"

Liberals supported the Eminent Domain ruling because they saw it as a loss for BOOOOOOOSH because it was a Liberal Justice Ruth Ginsberg who cast the deciding vote in favor of its Constitutional legality. You Liberals still support Eminent Domain. Why wouldn't a Liberal support Eminent Domain? It's just more power for the Government no? Liberals love that stuff. You're only against Eminent Domain on this one because you see most Conservatives are against the building of this Mosque. Eminent Domain could be used in this case. I don't support that though. I just don't trust you guys on this stuff. You guys love Eminent Domain when it's convenient for you.

 

[Shogun]

I have already said i don't and never have supported Eminent Domain Laws. So obviously i would like to see this situation resolved in some other way. I also stand by my point that Liberal loons like you were on this very board applauding and cheering for Ginsberg's deciding vote on that Supreme Court ruling. But that was back when da BOOOOOOOOSH was in there right? Now you same Liberal loons suddenly feel differently about Eminent Domain. I still call BULL CHIT on you guys. It was all about dat BOOOOOOOOSH for you guys. You didn't care about the Government stealing citizens' properties back then.

and they don't care about Muslims rights now. All they care about is defending the leftist apologetic agenda.

Defending property rights isn't some "leftist apologetic agenda." Property rights are the basis of liberty, and if you want to attack the property rights of one group then you undermine liberty for everyone.

true story..


and, I'm still waiting for the little ********** to post a link to quotes of those he's insisted supported Kelo v New London.

talk about one trick pony...

 

[Shogun]

I have already said i don't and never have supported Eminent Domain Laws. So obviously i would like to see this situation resolved in some other way. I also stand by my point that Liberal loons like you were on this very board applauding and cheering for Ginsberg's deciding vote on that Supreme Court ruling. But that was back when da BOOOOOOOOSH was in there right? Now you same Liberal loons suddenly feel differently about Eminent Domain. I still call BULL CHIT on you guys. It was all about dat BOOOOOOOOSH for you guys. You didn't care about the Government stealing citizens' properties back then.

Well, for starters, it wouldn't make sense for partisan liberals to support eminent domain when Bush was in office. Partisan liberals would have opposed eminent domain during the Bush administration, and would now support it during the Obama administration. Not the other way around.

Secondly, you can keep calling me a liberal if you want, but that won't make it true. I'm a libertarian, not a liberal. As such, I'll consistently defend property rights.

Finally, if you don't support eminent domain then explain what you want to happen. They're going to build the mosque on this property, it doesn't matter if you want them to or not. Short of advocating that the government step in and force them to build elsewhere there's nothing to be done about it. So which is it? Will you advocate the use of government force, or will you accept that they have the right to build a mosque on their own property even if you think it's "aggressive?"

Liberals supported the Eminent Domain ruling because they saw it as a loss for BOOOOOOOSH because it was a Liberal Justice Ruth Ginsberg who cast the deciding vote in favor of its Constitutional legality. You Liberals still support Eminent Domain. Why wouldn't a Liberal support Eminent Domain? It's just more power for the Government no? Liberals love that stuff. You're only against Eminent Domain on this one because you see most Conservatives are against the building of this Mosque. Eminent Domain could be used in this case. I don't support that though. I just don't trust you guys on this stuff. You guys love Eminent Domain when it's convenient for you.

your paranoid delusions mean little in the world of reality.

put up or shut the **** up.

post a link to a thread in which myself or the "liberal" Kevin Kennedy supported that scotus decision.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

I have already said i don't and never have supported Eminent Domain Laws. So obviously i would like to see this situation resolved in some other way. I also stand by my point that Liberal loons like you were on this very board applauding and cheering for Ginsberg's deciding vote on that Supreme Court ruling. But that was back when da BOOOOOOOOSH was in there right? Now you same Liberal loons suddenly feel differently about Eminent Domain. I still call BULL CHIT on you guys. It was all about dat BOOOOOOOOSH for you guys. You didn't care about the Government stealing citizens' properties back then.

Well, for starters, it wouldn't make sense for partisan liberals to support eminent domain when Bush was in office. Partisan liberals would have opposed eminent domain during the Bush administration, and would now support it during the Obama administration. Not the other way around.

Secondly, you can keep calling me a liberal if you want, but that won't make it true. I'm a libertarian, not a liberal. As such, I'll consistently defend property rights.

Finally, if you don't support eminent domain then explain what you want to happen. They're going to build the mosque on this property, it doesn't matter if you want them to or not. Short of advocating that the government step in and force them to build elsewhere there's nothing to be done about it. So which is it? Will you advocate the use of government force, or will you accept that they have the right to build a mosque on their own property even if you think it's "aggressive?"

Liberals supported the Eminent Domain ruling because they saw it as a loss for BOOOOOOOSH because it was a Liberal Justice Ruth Ginsberg who cast the deciding vote in favor of its Constitutional legality. You Liberals still support Eminent Domain. Why wouldn't a Liberal support Eminent Domain? It's just more power for the Government no? Liberals love that stuff. You're only against Eminent Domain on this one because you see most Conservatives are against the building of this Mosque. Eminent Domain could be used in this case. I don't support that though. I just don't trust you guys on this stuff. You guys love Eminent Domain when it's convenient for you.

You're apparently either unable or unwilling to address anything I said in the previous post.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Technically speaking Turkey is a secular nation, but if you've ever been over there, well let's just say Islam and Christianity are not on equal footing.

In fact when Turkey petitioned to join the EU several members commented about a Muslim nation's ability to fit in.

Turkey is 99% Muslim. It's remarkable they're a secular nation.

In name only. NYcarbineer gets sent to school AGAIN.

**** off. Turkey has an explicitly secular government. Indonesia which has the largest Muslim population of any nation, also has a secular government and religious freedom.

I know that complicates your desire to stereotype and demonize Islam, but too bad, bigot.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

You guys are jokes. Oh now you Liberals suddenly hate that Eminent Domain stuff. Sorry,not buying it. You've just changed your tune because you see that most Conservatives oppose the building of this Mosque. You can't be trusted. Nuff said.

 

[Modbert]

You're apparently either unable or unwilling to address anything I said in the previous post.

How much does it disappoint you that this moron has a Ron Paul avatar?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Putting a Mosque near ground zero will remind Americans about what Muslims did to America on 9/11. Rather than 'creating tolerance' for Muslims it will create only distrust and disgust towards Muslims.

So Muslims should build a mosque there by all means and destroy every positive image of Islam in America forever in a way that atheists like me could only dream of.

HAHA!

yea.. as if you stupid bastards were *just about to* start liking muslims.

Excellent point. They are desperately trying to rationalize their bigotry.

 

[Modbert]

You guys are jokes. Oh now you Liberals suddenly hate that Eminent Domain stuff. Sorry,not buying it. You've just changed your tune because you see that most Conservatives oppose the building of this Mosque. You can't be trusted. Nuff said.

Uh, Kevin Kennedy is probably the most Libertarian member of this board.

You know what? You say Liberals hate Eminent Domain? Let's get a quote from the guy in your avatar, shall we?

Should federal or state government be allowed to use eminent domain laws to take private property for non-public use - 2008 Election - ProCon.org

Should federal or state government be allowed to use eminent domain laws to take private property for non-public use?

Ron Paul, US Representative (R-TX), stated in a July 4, 2005 article titled "Lessons from the Kelo Decision" on the Ron Paul Library website:
"Now one year removed from the notorious Kelo decision by the Supreme Court [Kelo v. City of New London, 545 US 469 (2005); the majority held that the city's taking of private property to sell for private development qualified as a 'public use' within the meaning of the takings clause.], Americans are still reeling from the shock of having our nation's highest tribunal endorse using government power to condemn private homes to benefit a property developer. The silver lining, however, is that many Americans have been stirred to action and are demanding new state laws to prohibit the Kelo scenario from repeating itself in their cities...

Congress can and should act to prevent the federal government from seizing private property. I've introduced and cosponsored several bills that prohibit or severely limit the power of Washington agencies to seize private property in locations around the nation. But the primary fight against local eminent domain actions must take place at the local level. The people of New London, Connecticut, like the people of Texas, could start by removing from office local officials who have so little respect for property rights."
July 4, 2005 Ron Paul

 

[NYcarbineer]

This issue is a litmus test of whether people believe in the Constitution or not. If you don't like the idea of a Mosque not really at ground zero in the first place but in the vicinity, I think you're silly but whatever. If you think they shouldn't be allowed to build it, then you don't believe in the first amendment. Period.

Bigots forget that Muslim Americans died on 9/11 too, Muslim Americans helped rescue and clean up and grieved. Anyone so simpleminded and ignorant as to think the billion and a half Muslims worldwide, or several thousand in New York, are all part of one monolithic and antagonistic group need to admit that they simply have a broad prejudice and drop all other pretenses about insensitivity or aggression.

A NY mosque and 9/11 have absolutely nothing to do with each other.

If a Christian church was built a few blocks from the Alfred P. Murrah building in OKC, none of you bigots would be up in arms about how "aggressive" it is. Opposition to this is based on ignorance at best, racism at worst, simple as.

Keep in mind this 'proximity to ground zero' bullshit is just a smokescreen. Most of these ***** would be happy to stop any mosques being built anywhere. Most of them don't have the guts to admit though.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

I oppose Eminent Domain Laws and i always have. I opposed these Laws whether it was convenient or not. That's much more than i can say for phony Liberals who are now on here pretending they opposed Eminent Domain Laws all along. They now oppose Eminent Domain on this particular issue. Gee i wonder why? What a joke.