Moscow is infuriated that Trump dared to give an ultimatum to dictator Putin ahead of the Alaska summit

[Litwin]

Unbelievable lunacy. But dangerous lunacy. Ritter, the mini-Epstein. That alone turns the stomach. So much for Moscow imperial moral superiority.

 

[kyzr]

Its not an ultimatum, its a notification, if Putin does "X", then Trump does "Y".

Trump wants a ceasefire now. If Putin says "nyet", then Trump shuts down some of Putin's oil customers.

I'm still waiting for NATO and the EU to tell Putin that if he refuses a ceasefire, his $300b under EU control goes to Ukraine for weapons.

 

[Litwin]

Its not an ultimatum, its a notification, if Putin does "X", then Trump does "Y".

Trump wants a ceasefire now. If Putin says "nyet", then Trump shuts down some of Putin's oil customers.

I'm still waiting for NATO and the EU to tell Putin that if he refuses a ceasefire, his $300b under EU control goes to Ukraine for weapons.

Moscow empires they negotiate because they are in weak hand. The purpose of Moscow empires negotiation is to buy time... What is your prediction for this meeting?

 

[kyzr]

Moscow empires they negotiate because they are in weak hand. The purpose of Moscow empires negotiation is to buy time... What is your prediction for this meeting?

Who has the better hand to play, and who is bluffing? (poker analogy)

Trump may offer Putin something he wants, to make it a win-win for both sides.

Russia does not want to look weak, and Trump knows it.

So my bet is Trump flatters Putin and offers something of value, maybe a new SALT Treaty?

 

[Litwin]

 

[JohnDB]

And they should....
It's their anatomy on the line.

Their anemic support of Ukraine or even their own militaries because ours is so strong is inexcusable. We are not their military. NATO is an agreement of minimums....not a limit of what you spend and you don't even spend the minimum.

 

[Litwin]

Who has the better hand to play, and who is bluffing? (poker analogy)

Trump may offer Putin something he wants, to make it a win-win for both sides.

Russia does not want to look weak, and Trump knows it.

So my bet is Trump flatters Putin and offers something of value, maybe a new SALT Treaty?

Putin can stay in power and keep his empire in one piece only as long as he plays the role of a gazi- ruler, waging religious wars against our "degenerate Western civilization." According to mainstream media reports today, he plans to show Trump his personal collection of "historic maps" —without Ukraine on them. But let’s not forget: the Romanov Empire fought only three major industrial wars against Western and Westernized countries—and lost all of them....

 

[kyzr]

We often forget how fragile peace is.
China. Russia. Iran. North Korea.
Any one of them could do something stupid.

 

[Litwin]

We often forget how fragile peace is.
China. Russia. Iran. North Korea.
Any one of them could do something stupid.

Yes, but only the Moscow Ulus is a fully Mongol empire, for which territorial (gazavat) expansionism is the only way to exist.

 

[Litwin]

a good move!

 

[schmidlap]

a good move!

Given that the old fart thinks Alaska is part of Russia, Americans are concerned about how much he surrenders to Putin.

"I’m going to Russia!": Trump appears to forget Alaska is in the US​

Most Americans are now used to the blowhard's wimping out.

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Majority of Americans lack confidence in Trump on Russia​

 

[Kondor3]

Although I fully support Ukraine in its war of self-defense...

As we can see here...

The Ukrainian propaganda is not much better than Russian propaganda, in its propensity to spew bull$hit like this...

I suggest you people (Ukrainians) have more respect for your Western audiences and use a more sophisticated approach...

I understand that large numbers of Russians and Ukrainians are not very sophisticated and require a propaganda hammer...

But you'll find that the majority of Westerners who might pay attention to such things do not appreciate such juvenile stuff...

You're embarrassing yourselves...

Do better.

 

[schmidlap]

Regardless of the pr, what is inescapable is that Putin and his North Korean allies, unprovoked, attacked, invaded, and now occupy a sovereign European nation.

 

[Litwin]

Given that the old fart thinks Alaska is part of Russia, Americans are concerned about how much he surrenders to Putin.

"I’m going to Russia!": Trump appears to forget Alaska is in the US​

Most Americans are now used to the blowhard's wimping out.

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Majority of Americans lack confidence in Trump on Russia​

Lavrov knows what he’s doing. Current Moscow empire ambitions is Bolshevik empire . Nothing more, nothing less. They want to expend at any cost....

 

[Litwin]

Although I fully support Ukraine in its war of self-defense...

As we can see here...

The Ukrainian propaganda is not much better than Russian propaganda, in its propensity to spew bull$hit like this...

I suggest you people (Ukrainians) have more respect for your Western audiences and use a more sophisticated approach...

I understand that large numbers of Russians and Ukrainians are not very sophisticated and require a propaganda hammer...

But you'll find that the majority of Westerners who might pay attention to such things do not appreciate such juvenile stuff...

You're embarrassing yourselves...

Do better.

Did you have a bad day today? I only post mainstream media and horizontal topics here—I don’t need to do any propaganda.

Terrorist and war-criminal Putin will feel comfortable and safe on the military base in Cuba.

 

[Litwin]

... is inescapable is that Putin and his North Korean allies, unprovoked, attacked, invaded, and now occupy a sovereign European nation.

+1, that poster nails it. moscovia’s imperial hunger never ends, whether it’s ukraine, alaska, or whatever delusion they’re selling next. the world finally sees their game.

 

[Litwin]

 

[Kondor3]

Did you have a bad day today? I only post mainstream media and horizontal topics here—I don’t need to do any propaganda.


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Terrorist and war-criminal Putin will feel comfortable and safe on the military base in Cuba.

Your failure to take note of the relative sophistication of Western audiences is problematic for you and your cause, not the West.

Translation: simplistic (even juvenile) messaging comes-off as mildly insulting to Western audiences.

You need to be more subtle in your messaging in order to gain and sustain widespread Western support.

You-and-yours would be wise to take note.

But... based on past performance and your urgent need... it seems unlikely that you will actually adjust that messaging.

 

[Litwin]

Americans don’t like Putin

 

[whitehall]

Its not an ultimatum, its a notification, if Putin does "X", then Trump does "Y".

Trump wants a ceasefire now. If Putin says "nyet", then Trump shuts down some of Putin's oil customers.

I'm still waiting for NATO and the EU to tell Putin that if he refuses a ceasefire, his $300b under EU control goes to Ukraine for weapons.

Another 300b to the crooked little country of Ukraine? Are you kidding?