More winning-Obamacare on the ropes

[Third Party]

Trump’s still president

The Dems said they would fix what the Republicans did not-where is it? Or did they over promise?

Impeach 45

Not happening-this term.

Not ever happening. The dems never mentioned it in their debate. Nor Mueller. Thats just red meat to keep their Communist base riled up.

Regime change begins at home: Communist Party USA

and you have a problem with those aspects. Sure beats far right wing stuff which is what tramp and GOP have become.

Founded in 1919, the Communist Party USA has championed the struggles for democracy, labor rights, women’s equality, racial justice and peace for 97 years. The Communist Party has an unparalleled history in the progressive movement of the United States, from the struggle against Jim Crow segregation, the organizing of the industrial unions, from the canneries of California, to the sweatshops of New York City.

Sounds more like democracy.

What right wing stuff? Tax cuts for middle class? I got mine and I like it.

 

[emilynghiem]

The de-obamafication of America continues. We all knew Obamacare was unconstitutional.

Appeals Court Seems Skeptical About Constitutionality of Obamacare Mandate

WINNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What I'd recommend DOTR and Deno
is to argue that the difference in coverage
should be paid for by the politicians, parties and taxpayers
who endorsed ACA because they BELIEVE in paying for health care through govt.

Whichever people violated the Constitution by passing
and enforcing this law through govt should be compelled
to pay the costs themselves to keep those provisions going
they set up for people as they promised.

So I'd start naming people and groups responsible
and assess the costs that should be charged to them.

Since judges can't write that into law, it may take
lawyers writing it up and asking for it as part
of the order.

The ACA and universal healthcare ins, is the thing of the future. Accept it. You can belong to anything you want, but when universal healthcare takes root, you will pay the taxes for it.

Dear Penelope
The best thing about the cooperatives
is you can have the federal programs you want
and that doesn't interfere with people choosing free market
services. You have the best of both choices, and don't
have to mandate either one through govt.

So if you want universal care with a public OPTION,
this is it.

I think you will just be shocked it can be done by
free choice and doesn't require mandating through govt.

Yes, people will GLADLY pay by FREE CHOICE to have
medical coverage including health insurance at half the current costs.

So there is no need to mandate through taxes.

If anything Penelope, because people on both left and right
would PREFER to have the freedom of choice that Cooperatives offer,
that means advocates and political leaders left AND right would
BOTH support 100% tax deductions for paying for health care
services AT COST through cooperatives or any other choice.

So that's better than govt controlling it: the taxpayers
can CHOOSE whether to register for govt funded programs
or other options, and by lobbying together we can set it up
where all that is paid for health care gets DEDUCTED
from taxes (not added).

Best of all worlds, Penelope.
You get your universal care, and paying for it gets fully
deducted from taxes (after left and right figure out this
plan UNITES everyone in agreement so we can change
the tax laws to allow 100% deduction for at cost health care)

 

[jc456]

The wealthy like Tramp help pay for the ACA and they do not want their money to go to paupers or low lifes, the poor who have pre-existing conditions and those who make under 100 grand a year with 2 kids.

He serves the RICH, which means, only people that can pay a high price for healthcare deserve it, and the rest are fed the crumbs.

He would rather walk over one dying than give a red cent of his money. The greed at the top is atrocious.

Oh shut up you know that’s fake news fool

Prove otherwise. He has done everything he could to get rid of the ACA and what is his plan. Oh return things to the way they were. Block grants for Medicaid. Next they will strike down expanded Medicaid.

What is his pre-existing conditions clause, jus to cover one if one has enough money, back to the same way it was before the ACA.

Medicare will close all hospitals, one of your own said so! Doctors and nurses will quit, your own guy admits it! Why do you supposed that’s true? You know nothing about economics, fool!

 

[jc456]

Dear yidnar
the best way I know is to AGREE with them.
Then add to what they are saying by promoting
the SOLUTION that backs up what they are lobbying for.

A1. for example, if they want "universal care"
A2. You say YES, and the way to get to universal care
is to set up health care cooperatives. This will cut the
costs so much, you don't need to legislate to stop high
profit insurance. You can go ahead and negotiate
medicare pricing directly without any further legislation needed.

B1. if they want free education and health care
B2. You say YES, by reforming the prison system,
and converting them into medical schools and
teaching hospitals, we can treat the sick to prevent
crime, and the money saved can pay for education where
doctors and nurses in training can serve in public health.

Then ask them do they support Spiritual Healing that
can cure mental and criminal illness for FREE in order
to prevent crime, so taxes can go toward health care instead.

C1. if they want programs to help immigrants instead of a wall
C2. You say YES, liberals and Democrats should fund education
and jobs for immigrants and let Conservatives and Republicans
fund the wall and military security. If the right wants their wall,
then the left should get to defund the death penalty and pay
for treatment centers and teaching hospitals on the border
to serve the prison and immigrant populations.

Screw health care cooperatives, most people do now want to depend on Christian or join Christian clubs or join any club.. While you pray to God for healing, most of us realists prefer the medical community.

NOPE Penelope this isn't a Christian health share ministry.
it's a secular nonprofit similar to Habitat for Humanity
where people can work together to build their own clinic center
and provider networks.

And YES, the cooperatives are getting the MEDICAL COMMUNITY
to support and participate in the coops because they get paid
directly without having to mess with insurance claims and nonpayments/collections.
The coop pays them directly, so it saves costs and improves services
for both the physicians and the patients.

NOTE: the nonprofit I cited in Houston already has licensing set up
through the State of Texas to operate statewide, and has the largest
Surgical Group in Houston signed on. All the other providers they have
invited either agreed to serve on retainer or agreed to be within the
network where members can still get discounted Medicare rates.
Very few turn down the invitation, usually if they already are maxed
out serving a full patient base who already have good paying relations.

These are professional hospitals like St. Luke's and Memorial
that agreed to serve the coop clients.

The other group I already heard about on the radio is
the Atlas MD coop in Wichita KS. I think that is for profit
and they still work more cost effectively than trying to
mandate and manage costs and services through govt.

The coop in Houston is nonprofit and I've introduced
the head founder to various nonprofit community
groups in order to help those neighborhoods start
organizing a stable structure to build their own jobs
and health program network instead of not being
able to afford high profit insurance.

Where the health share programs may fit in:
if people get the membership in Coops for the Medicare
pricing discounts, then join a health share ministry that
pays their bills, the cost will be half as much to pay for.
So maybe that way, they can skip on buying the additional
hospital indemnity and the catastrophic if they combine
coop discounts with health share funding to pay the costs
that would still be minimalized at medicare rates by the coop plans.

I believe there’s one in Colorado too!

 

[Rustic]

Republicans lack the balls

They know that if they break it.....they bought it

Lol
Keep your socialized medicine/healthcare to yourselves, it does not require our participation. Dolt

When will you assfucks learn what socialized healthcare really is.

Lol
When will you asswipes quit forcing socialism on other people that want nothing to do with it, cannot benefit from it and certainly cannot afford it?

 

[jc456]

Dear yidnar
the best way I know is to AGREE with them.
Then add to what they are saying by promoting
the SOLUTION that backs up what they are lobbying for.

A1. for example, if they want "universal care"
A2. You say YES, and the way to get to universal care
is to set up health care cooperatives. This will cut the
costs so much, you don't need to legislate to stop high
profit insurance. You can go ahead and negotiate
medicare pricing directly without any further legislation needed.

B1. if they want free education and health care
B2. You say YES, by reforming the prison system,
and converting them into medical schools and
teaching hospitals, we can treat the sick to prevent
crime, and the money saved can pay for education where
doctors and nurses in training can serve in public health.

Then ask them do they support Spiritual Healing that
can cure mental and criminal illness for FREE in order
to prevent crime, so taxes can go toward health care instead.

C1. if they want programs to help immigrants instead of a wall
C2. You say YES, liberals and Democrats should fund education
and jobs for immigrants and let Conservatives and Republicans
fund the wall and military security. If the right wants their wall,
then the left should get to defund the death penalty and pay
for treatment centers and teaching hospitals on the border
to serve the prison and immigrant populations.

Screw health care cooperatives, most people do now want to depend on Christian or join Christian clubs or join any club.. While you pray to God for healing, most of us realists prefer the medical community.

NOPE Penelope this isn't a Christian health share ministry.
it's a secular nonprofit similar to Habitat for Humanity
where people can work together to build their own clinic center
and provider networks.

And YES, the cooperatives are getting the MEDICAL COMMUNITY
to support and participate in the coops because they get paid
directly without having to mess with insurance claims and nonpayments/collections.
The coop pays them directly, so it saves costs and improves services
for both the physicians and the patients.

NOTE: the nonprofit I cited in Houston already has licensing set up
through the State of Texas to operate statewide, and has the largest
Surgical Group in Houston signed on. All the other providers they have
invited either agreed to serve on retainer or agreed to be within the
network where members can still get discounted Medicare rates.
Very few turn down the invitation, usually if they already are maxed
out serving a full patient base who already have good paying relations.

These are professional hospitals like St. Luke's and Memorial
that agreed to serve the coop clients.

The other group I already heard about on the radio is
the Atlas MD coop in Wichita KS. I think that is for profit
and they still work more cost effectively than trying to
mandate and manage costs and services through govt.

The coop in Houston is nonprofit and I've introduced
the head founder to various nonprofit community
groups in order to help those neighborhoods start
organizing a stable structure to build their own jobs
and health program network instead of not being
able to afford high profit insurance.

Where the health share programs may fit in:
if people get the membership in Coops for the Medicare
pricing discounts, then join a health share ministry that
pays their bills, the cost will be half as much to pay for.
So maybe that way, they can skip on buying the additional
hospital indemnity and the catastrophic if they combine
coop discounts with health share funding to pay the costs
that would still be minimalized at medicare rates by the coop plans.

Well you can join one if you want but I do not want to belong to an HMO.

Also you still need insurance. Real insurance.

“As a patient of Atlas MD, will I still need health insurance?”
Yes. We recommend our patients continue a major medical plan with a high deductible and health savings account to ensure financial help should hospitalization or referral to a specialist be necessary. We’re happy to refer you to insurance representatives who can help customize an insurance plan to your specific needs.

“If I have Medicare, can I still join Atlas MD?”
Yes. You need only sign a one-time waiver declaring that neither you nor your doctor will directly bill Medicare for our services. Medicare will still cover any laboratory testing, imaging, medications, or hospitalizations prescribed by our offices.
-------------------------------------------------
Does not sound like its for me. I want independence that they do not have it. Talk about us knowing you, sometimes that can get way to personal, that is why people get 2nd and 3rd opinions, and every doctor retires, dies or moves.

HMO is not a coop fool

 

[jc456]

The Dems said they would fix what the Republicans did not-where is it? Or did they over promise?

Impeach 45

Not happening-this term.

Not ever happening. The dems never mentioned it in their debate. Nor Mueller. Thats just red meat to keep their Communist base riled up.

Regime change begins at home: Communist Party USA

and you have a problem with those aspects. Sure beats far right wing stuff which is what tramp and GOP have become.

Founded in 1919, the Communist Party USA has championed the struggles for democracy, labor rights, women’s equality, racial justice and peace for 97 years. The Communist Party has an unparalleled history in the progressive movement of the United States, from the struggle against Jim Crow segregation, the organizing of the industrial unions, from the canneries of California, to the sweatshops of New York City.

Sounds more like democracy.

What right wing stuff? Tax cuts for middle class? I got mine and I like it.

Also, the rich are paying more in democratic states! They’ve been howling since it went in! So again, the left are inconsistent as always

 

[jc456]

Yeah, a great idea but probably unconstitutional.

Still though, Donald might not want to get the courts all riled up on non-liberal constitutional interpretations of executive powers so I don't know if I'd call it winning.

Unless you want hospitals to throw those who can't pay out in the street still bleeding more than you want a border wall or tanks at a parade.

Some other arrangements must be made-we can't go on this way. How are the Dems coming with their fix as promised in the 2018 elections?

Trump’s still president

The Dems said they would fix what the Republicans did not-where is it? Or did they over promise?

Impeach 45 is what I heard

Deflection-WHERE is their FIX?

Impeach 45

 

[DOTR]

Impeach 45

Not happening-this term.

Not ever happening. The dems never mentioned it in their debate. Nor Mueller. Thats just red meat to keep their Communist base riled up.

Regime change begins at home: Communist Party USA

and you have a problem with those aspects. Sure beats far right wing stuff which is what tramp and GOP have become.

Founded in 1919, the Communist Party USA has championed the struggles for democracy, labor rights, women’s equality, racial justice and peace for 97 years. The Communist Party has an unparalleled history in the progressive movement of the United States, from the struggle against Jim Crow segregation, the organizing of the industrial unions, from the canneries of California, to the sweatshops of New York City.

Sounds more like democracy.

What right wing stuff? Tax cuts for middle class? I got mine and I like it.

Also, the rich are paying more in democratic states! They’ve been howling since it went in! So again, the left are inconsistent as always

The Democrats are consistent in always doing the bidding of the wealthy elites. And yes they bowled like banshees when their mansion taxes couldn’t be passed on to you.

 

[jc456]

Not happening-this term.

Not ever happening. The dems never mentioned it in their debate. Nor Mueller. Thats just red meat to keep their Communist base riled up.

Regime change begins at home: Communist Party USA

and you have a problem with those aspects. Sure beats far right wing stuff which is what tramp and GOP have become.

Founded in 1919, the Communist Party USA has championed the struggles for democracy, labor rights, women’s equality, racial justice and peace for 97 years. The Communist Party has an unparalleled history in the progressive movement of the United States, from the struggle against Jim Crow segregation, the organizing of the industrial unions, from the canneries of California, to the sweatshops of New York City.

Sounds more like democracy.

What right wing stuff? Tax cuts for middle class? I got mine and I like it.

Also, the rich are paying more in democratic states! They’ve been howling since it went in! So again, the left are inconsistent as always

The Democrats are consistent in always doing the bidding of the wealthy elites. And yes they bowled like banshees when their mansion taxes couldn’t be passed on to you.

No leftists on here will respond to my post, watch

 

[Lysistrata]

The de-obamafication of America continues. We all knew Obamacare was unconstitutional.

Appeals Court Seems Skeptical About Constitutionality of Obamacare Mandate

I know that Hillary Clinton was working on solving our healthcare issues when her husband was president. President Obama tried to solve this issue during his presidency.

Where have the republicans been on this issue since the 1990s? Where are their proposals? Have republicans been working on this issue?

 

[jc456]

The de-obamafication of America continues. We all knew Obamacare was unconstitutional.

Appeals Court Seems Skeptical About Constitutionality of Obamacare Mandate

I know that Hillary Clinton was working on solving our healthcare issues when her husband was president. President Obama tried to solve this issue during his presidency.

Where have the republicans been on this issue since the 1990s? Where are their proposals? Have republicans been working on this issue?

Why do the democrats want my money to solve their problem? I was good with my health care before obammy care teased it! To solve a 9% problem, they fkd 91% of us! You think that’s okay. Enough said.

BTW, wasn’t what obammy care touched what your praising slick Willy for? Too funny! You can’t find a lane

 

[DOTR]

The de-obamafication of America continues. We all knew Obamacare was unconstitutional.

Appeals Court Seems Skeptical About Constitutionality of Obamacare Mandate

WINNING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What I'd recommend DOTR and Deno
is to argue that the difference in coverage
should be paid for by the politicians, parties and taxpayers
who endorsed ACA because they BELIEVE in paying for health care through govt.

Whichever people violated the Constitution by passing
and enforcing this law through govt should be compelled
to pay the costs themselves to keep those provisions going
they set up for people as they promised.

So I'd start naming people and groups responsible
and assess the costs that should be charged to them.

Since judges can't write that into law, it may take
lawyers writing it up and asking for it as part
of the order.

The ACA and universal healthcare ins, is the thing of the future. Accept it. You can belong to anything you want, but when universal healthcare takes root, you will pay the taxes for it.

Dear Penelope
The best thing about the cooperatives
is you can have the federal programs you want
and that doesn't interfere with people choosing free market
services. You have the best of both choices, and don't
have to mandate either one through govt.

So if you want universal care with a public OPTION,
this is it.

I think you will just be shocked it can be done by
free choice and doesn't require mandating through govt.

Yes, people will GLADLY pay by FREE CHOICE to have
medical coverage including health insurance at half the current costs.

So there is no need to mandate through taxes.

If anything Penelope, because people on both left and right
would PREFER to have the freedom of choice that Cooperatives offer,
that means advocates and political leaders left AND right would
BOTH support 100% tax deductions for paying for health care
services AT COST through cooperatives or any other choice.

So that's better than govt controlling it: the taxpayers
can CHOOSE whether to register for govt funded programs
or other options, and by lobbying together we can set it up
where all that is paid for health care gets DEDUCTED
from taxes (not added).

Best of all worlds, Penelope.
You get your universal care, and paying for it gets fully
deducted from taxes (after left and right figure out this
plan UNITES everyone in agreement so we can change
the tax laws to allow 100% deduction for at cost health care)

Emily this is how you know you are dealing with evil and closed minds rather than simply a misguided concern for the poor. I have posted several times inviting leftists to explain why Mutualism, Distributism, Subsidiarity, Cooperativism are never discussed or offered as alternatives. With no response.
That the answer must always be a metastasizing government tells you that’s what they seek in and for itself...with poverty/hardship/medical needs being only the excuse or occasion to advance the growth of authoritarian government.
You only become a leftist after the soul dies. And it dies from not feeding it. They have never read Chesterton or Day or Belloc and they would, like animals, spit on Rerum novarum and Quadragesimo anno

 

[DOTR]

When will you assfucks learn what socialized healthcare really is.

When the Democrat’s gain enough power to impose it.

 

[DOTR]

The Dems said they would fix what the Republicans did not-where is it? Or did they over promise?

Impeach 45

Not happening-this term.

Not ever happening. The dems never mentioned it in their debate. Nor Mueller. Thats just red meat to keep their Communist base riled up.

Regime change begins at home: Communist Party USA

and you have a problem with those aspects. Sure beats far right wing stuff which is what tramp and GOP have become.

Founded in 1919, the Communist Party USA has championed the struggles for democracy, labor rights, women’s equality, racial justice and peace for 97 years. The Communist Party has an unparalleled history in the progressive movement of the United States, from the struggle against Jim Crow segregation, the organizing of the industrial unions, from the canneries of California, to the sweatshops of New York City.

Sounds more like democracy.

What right wing stuff? Tax cuts for middle class? I got mine and I like it.

Likewise. But that doesn’t help the Democrats. The middle and working classes are Trumps constituency. The biggest complaint about our tax cut came from wealthy Californians and New Yorkers complaining that they lost their mansion tax deduction.
This is pragmatic politics for them (and Trump). The Democrats specifically excluded the middle class as constituents when they built their wealthy/underclass/foreign coalition and it actually *relies* on taxing the middle class heavily.

 

[yidnar]

Republicans have no exit strategy if Obamacare gets repealed

Taking health insurance away from 20-30 million people in an election is not a popular thing to do

i thought the affordable care was the solution !!! why is it not working ? why are so many poor and middle class people griping about it ? the truth is the premiums have skyrocketed !

 

[Third Party]

Some other arrangements must be made-we can't go on this way. How are the Dems coming with their fix as promised in the 2018 elections?

Trump’s still president

The Dems said they would fix what the Republicans did not-where is it? Or did they over promise?

Impeach 45 is what I heard

Deflection-WHERE is their FIX?

Impeach 45

45 Democrats?

 

[Lysistrata]

Still waiting for the republicans' plans and solutions. They have had at least 30 years to come up with something. Where is it???

 

[jc456]

Still waiting for the republicans' plans and solutions. They have had at least 30 years to come up with something. Where is it???

91% were happy with past insurance! Why did they fk that up? Why didn’t they just fix the 9%?

 

[Third Party]

Still waiting for the republicans' plans and solutions. They have had at least 30 years to come up with something. Where is it???

Wait-Obama was just in position to do that and he came up with something illegal. Don't blame just one side-they ALL suck on this.