More Evidence that One-Size-Fits-All Lockdowns Are Senseless and Unscientific

[Care4all]

These are the current COVID-19 stats, as of this morning, for California, which has a population (39.5 million) that is larger than that of most countries, including Canada, Australia, Venezuela, Chile, Guatemala, and Romania. These stats are further proof that the Democrats' one-size-fits-all lockdown approach is senseless. They also prove there is no rational reason to keep our schools closed.

All Ages
Cases: 1.02 million
Deaths: 18,253
Death rate: 1.79%
Survival rate: 98.21%

Ages 0-17
Cases: 111,180
Deaths: 0
Death rate: 0.0%
Survival rate: 100%

Ages 18-49
Cases: 608,940
Deaths: 1,314
Death rate: 0.216% (the flu's death rate is between 0.150% and 0.250%)
Survival rate: 99.784%

Ages 50-64
Cases: 191,760
Deaths: 3,486
Death rate: 1.82%
Survival rate: 98.18%

Ages 65-100
Cases: 107,100
Deaths: 13,434
Death rate: 12.6%
Survival rate: 87.4%

These stats are based on the numbers published on the California Department of Health's website:

Tracking COVID-19 in California

the real question to me is -

total deaths in 2020. i don't care why.
then 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016

and so forth.

you would think if covid was an extra driver then the total # of deaths in the US would be substantially higher in 2020 than any previous year.

About a month ago, ytd, we had 300,000 excess mortality this year vs last year....about 200,000 were accounted for as covid deaths, the other 100,000 excess deaths were unidentified deaths that occurred at home.....They guess that they are heart failures, strokes, and other ailments that patients/people were afraid to go to the hospital for due to COVID 19.... and even some might have been covid deaths.

Google: excess mortality

There are several different analysis on it.

Masks didn't work- but, wear one anyway- it makes Empty Suits and political air heads feel better.

Where did they "not work" and why does Trump's CDC not know about it? It certainly was shown to work in Kansas.

KU study finds masks help prevent spread of COVID-19

A new KU study compares Kansas counties with mask mandates to those without and ultimately found that masks work in slowing the spread of COVID-19.

www.wibw.com

Arizona as well, had a similar experience!

Do mask mandates work? Here's what new evidence from Arizona suggests.

Arizona's cases of Covid-19 increased 151% after the state's stay-at-home order expired—and then declined 75% after local jurisdictions were permitted to impose mask requirements and the state paused its reopening plan, according to a new CDC report.

www.advisory.com

Arizona's cases of Covid-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, increased 151% after the state's stay-at-home order expired—and then declined 75% after local jurisdictions were permitted to impose mask requirements and the state paused it's reopening plan, according to a CDC Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR

 

[Care4all]

These are the current COVID-19 stats, as of this morning, for California, which has a population (39.5 million) that is larger than that of most countries, including Canada, Australia, Venezuela, Chile, Guatemala, and Romania. These stats are further proof that the Democrats' one-size-fits-all lockdown approach is senseless. They also prove there is no rational reason to keep our schools closed.

All Ages
Cases: 1.02 million
Deaths: 18,253
Death rate: 1.79%
Survival rate: 98.21%

Ages 0-17
Cases: 111,180
Deaths: 0
Death rate: 0.0%
Survival rate: 100%

Ages 18-49
Cases: 608,940
Deaths: 1,314
Death rate: 0.216% (the flu's death rate is between 0.150% and 0.250%)
Survival rate: 99.784%

Ages 50-64
Cases: 191,760
Deaths: 3,486
Death rate: 1.82%
Survival rate: 98.18%

Ages 65-100
Cases: 107,100
Deaths: 13,434
Death rate: 12.6%
Survival rate: 87.4%

These stats are based on the numbers published on the California Department of Health's website:

Tracking COVID-19 in California

The democrats DO NOT HAVE a one size fits ALL lockdown policy, that was TRUMPs this past Spring, and we've learned from it.

If lockdown are needed, it would be localized, in very hot spots, who do not have any hospital space left, to care for the sick in their communities, or enough doctors o rd etc, to care for the sick.

Where a mask, stop being nincompoops! You are unnecessarily killing people, before their time.

This is total bullshit you know that's not true. No blue state is doing things that way

State wide lockdowns

What a terrible fucking take

I do like that you're acknowledging what ridiculous policy it is tho

By the standards biden would apply the whole country should be locked down. Cases are rising everywhere

States, Republican state governors ARE putting in restrictions, in hot spots....this really is not a POLITICAL thing..... It's a life or death thing.

And no, restrictions are not lockdowns.

Lockdowns are STAY AT HOME orders.

Biden can NOT order them, he can only suggest them.... States, rule themselves in these matters.

Wear a mask, social distance, wash and sanitize your hands frequently....more than 40% people who are infected, are asymptomatic.... have no clue they are sick....have no idea they are spreading it, to the more vulnerable.

This is a sneaky, son of a bitch virus. Unlike the influenza virus, for many...there are no symptoms that send a message to others....to stay away from them, to keep yourself well....like a person with the flu shows...coughing, sneezing etc.

The only way these human viruses can live, is if they have a human host...the virus's whole mission is survival...survival entails continual infection of as many humans as possible.

 

[Gdjjr]

.this really is not a POLITICAL thing..... It's a life or death thing.

BULLSHIT- it's a political life or death thing-

 

[Care4all]

These are the current COVID-19 stats, as of this morning, for California, which has a population (39.5 million) that is larger than that of most countries, including Canada, Australia, Venezuela, Chile, Guatemala, and Romania. These stats are further proof that the Democrats' one-size-fits-all lockdown approach is senseless. They also prove there is no rational reason to keep our schools closed.

All Ages
Cases: 1.02 million
Deaths: 18,253
Death rate: 1.79%
Survival rate: 98.21%

Ages 0-17
Cases: 111,180
Deaths: 0
Death rate: 0.0%
Survival rate: 100%

Ages 18-49
Cases: 608,940
Deaths: 1,314
Death rate: 0.216% (the flu's death rate is between 0.150% and 0.250%)
Survival rate: 99.784%

Ages 50-64
Cases: 191,760
Deaths: 3,486
Death rate: 1.82%
Survival rate: 98.18%

Ages 65-100
Cases: 107,100
Deaths: 13,434
Death rate: 12.6%
Survival rate: 87.4%

These stats are based on the numbers published on the California Department of Health's website:

Tracking COVID-19 in California

The democrats DO NOT HAVE a one size fits ALL lockdown policy, that was TRUMPs this past Spring, and we've learned from it.

If lockdowns are needed, it would be localized, in very hot spots, who do not have any hospital space left, to care for the sick in their communities, or enough doctors etc, to care for the sick.

Wear a mask, stop being nincompoops! You are unnecessarily killing people, before their time.

Washington, Oregon made statewide restrictions over the weekend, even in counties of no spikes. So, tell me what we've learned? Also, please tell me what states did Trump lockdown, because as far as I know most states used the one size fits all lockdown policy in the spring.

I'm sorry, restrictions are not lockdowns to me.... lockdown is when we are all forced to stay at home if non essential workers, and closed if non essential businesses....

What we went through this past Spring....maybe it was just the northeast????

Lets see, you can't go to restaurants, you can't go to gyms, you can go to movies, you can't go to bowling alleys, if you want to see your family there is a 14 day quarantine, or 7 days followed by a Covid test. Grocery stores are at 25% capacity, as are all other stores. So basically its a shutdown, where are you going to go? Now, since March, no one comes over, we don't go anywhere except the grocery store. Now the wonderful governor is going to have us stand outside to get into grocery stores in freezing weather and snow, yeah that is going to be healthy, isn't it? Grocery stores are not where the spread of Covid is however this has to be fair.

I am beginning to like Covid in a way as I become more socially distant and less tolerant of people. Continue with the lockdowns, restrictions, whatever the hell you want to call them. The quality of life seems unimportant to people, the focus seems to be on quantity of life.

You may not call these lockdowns however others do.

This Is How Close Your State Is to Locking Down

There were months of warnings that fall would usher in another coronavirus surge across the U.S., and now, we're living it. According to the latest data from The New York Times from Nov. 20, new daily case counts are climbing in all but one of the 50 states. And with more than a million new...

www.yahoo.com

The article on the original site says 'Starting' to lockdown again, not that they have gone to Stay at Home orders.

And yes it sucks big-time! But, it's better than being dead or your wife being dead or your mom being dead or your child's husband being dead, or your neighbor being dead, because you just wanted things being normal again.... these truly are not normal times....They won't be normal times again, for at least another year or two.... time to accept this, and to do what you can, to help your country and countrymen.

 

[Rigby5]

These are the current COVID-19 stats, as of this morning, for California, which has a population (39.5 million) that is larger than that of most countries, including Canada, Australia, Venezuela, Chile, Guatemala, and Romania. These stats are further proof that the Democrats' one-size-fits-all lockdown approach is senseless. They also prove there is no rational reason to keep our schools closed.

All Ages
Cases: 1.02 million
Deaths: 18,253
Death rate: 1.79%
Survival rate: 98.21%

Ages 0-17
Cases: 111,180
Deaths: 0
Death rate: 0.0%
Survival rate: 100%

Ages 18-49
Cases: 608,940
Deaths: 1,314
Death rate: 0.216% (the flu's death rate is between 0.150% and 0.250%)
Survival rate: 99.784%

Ages 50-64
Cases: 191,760
Deaths: 3,486
Death rate: 1.82%
Survival rate: 98.18%

Ages 65-100
Cases: 107,100
Deaths: 13,434
Death rate: 12.6%
Survival rate: 87.4%

These stats are based on the numbers published on the California Department of Health's website:

Tracking COVID-19 in California

The democrats DO NOT HAVE a one size fits ALL lockdown policy, that was TRUMPs this past Spring, and we've learned from it.

If lockdown are needed, it would be localized, in very hot spots, who do not have any hospital space left, to care for the sick in their communities, or enough doctors o rd etc, to care for the sick.

Where a mask, stop being nincompoops! You are unnecessarily killing people, before their time.

This is total bullshit you know that's not true. No blue state is doing things that way

State wide lockdowns

What a terrible fucking take

I do like that you're acknowledging what ridiculous policy it is tho

By the standards biden would apply the whole country should be locked down. Cases are rising everywhere

States, Republican state governors ARE putting in restrictions, in hot spots....this really is not a POLITICAL thing..... It's a life or death thing.

And no, restrictions are not lockdowns.

Lockdowns are STAY AT HOME orders.

Biden can NOT order them, he can only suggest them.... States, rule themselves in these matters.

Wear a mask, social distance, wash and sanitize your hands frequently....more than 40% people who are infected, are asymptomatic.... have no clue they are sick....have no idea they are spreading it, to the more vulnerable.

This is a sneaky, son of a bitch virus. Unlike the influenza virus, for many...there are no symptoms that send a message to others....to stay away from them, to keep yourself well....like a person with the flu shows...coughing, sneezing etc.

The only way these human viruses can live, is if they have a human host...the virus's whole mission is survival...survival entails continual infection of as many humans as possible.

That is not true.
Asymptomatic people are NOT at all contagious.
And it is not just 40%, but 90% of those who are infected are asymptomatic.
That is because 90% of the population is already inherently immune, due to the fact their immune system is already familiar with other coronaviruses.

There are only a very few pre-symptomatic who can spread while not yet feeling anything.

Nor does a lock down or social distancing by themselves do any good at all.
For example, masks are at best only 95% effective, so there is no point at all in trying to rely on something that lets a 5% spread of the infection. To END an epidemic, you have to have 100% effectiveness for a short period of time, or else you might as well just go back to herd immunity.
There is absolutely no point to anything in between. If you allow a 5% spread, you did ZERO good.
A partial reduction in infection rates has absolutely NO advantage at all.
If you achieve a 0 infection rate for 2 weeks, then you can totally end it, fast.
That is the only sensible course of action other than just accelerating herd immunity with deliberate infection of young volunteers.

And by the way, if locks downs are just "stay at home" orders, then we have never had a lock down.
Since there is no alternative for getting food yet, no one has ever been ordered to stay at home.

 

[Rye Catcher]

These are the current COVID-19 stats, as of this morning, for California, which has a population (39.5 million) that is larger than that of most countries, including Canada, Australia, Venezuela, Chile, Guatemala, and Romania. These stats are further proof that the Democrats' one-size-fits-all lockdown approach is senseless. They also prove there is no rational reason to keep our schools closed.

All Ages
Cases: 1.02 million
Deaths: 18,253
Death rate: 1.79%
Survival rate: 98.21%

Ages 0-17
Cases: 111,180
Deaths: 0
Death rate: 0.0%
Survival rate: 100%

Ages 18-49
Cases: 608,940
Deaths: 1,314
Death rate: 0.216% (the flu's death rate is between 0.150% and 0.250%)
Survival rate: 99.784%

Ages 50-64
Cases: 191,760
Deaths: 3,486
Death rate: 1.82%
Survival rate: 98.18%

Ages 65-100
Cases: 107,100
Deaths: 13,434
Death rate: 12.6%
Survival rate: 87.4%

These stats are based on the numbers published on the California Department of Health's website:

Tracking COVID-19 in California

STATEMENT: "These stats are further proof that the Democrats' one-size-fits-all lockdown approach is senseless. They also prove there is no rational reason to keep our schools closed."

Response: This is not true. The Governor has a color code for each CA County.

See: Quick Guide: What California’s color-coded county tracking system means for schools

Attention Moderation: Please move this thread to Conspiracy Theories.

 

[Care4all]

.this really is not a POLITICAL thing..... It's a life or death thing.

BULLSHIT- it's a political life or death thing-

is it political when our govt tells us we females can't go topless in public, or political when we are forced to wear clothes in public?

President Trump made it political for his own personal reasons...and trumpets followed his lead, as they always do imo.

But any other person on Earth, that could be sitting as our President, would not have intentionally and negligently killed off more Americans, as he has done, with his rhetoric....

 

[Rigby5]

These are the current COVID-19 stats, as of this morning, for California, which has a population (39.5 million) that is larger than that of most countries, including Canada, Australia, Venezuela, Chile, Guatemala, and Romania. These stats are further proof that the Democrats' one-size-fits-all lockdown approach is senseless. They also prove there is no rational reason to keep our schools closed.

All Ages
Cases: 1.02 million
Deaths: 18,253
Death rate: 1.79%
Survival rate: 98.21%

Ages 0-17
Cases: 111,180
Deaths: 0
Death rate: 0.0%
Survival rate: 100%

Ages 18-49
Cases: 608,940
Deaths: 1,314
Death rate: 0.216% (the flu's death rate is between 0.150% and 0.250%)
Survival rate: 99.784%

Ages 50-64
Cases: 191,760
Deaths: 3,486
Death rate: 1.82%
Survival rate: 98.18%

Ages 65-100
Cases: 107,100
Deaths: 13,434
Death rate: 12.6%
Survival rate: 87.4%

These stats are based on the numbers published on the California Department of Health's website:

Tracking COVID-19 in California

The democrats DO NOT HAVE a one size fits ALL lockdown policy, that was TRUMPs this past Spring, and we've learned from it.

If lockdowns are needed, it would be localized, in very hot spots, who do not have any hospital space left, to care for the sick in their communities, or enough doctors etc, to care for the sick.

Wear a mask, stop being nincompoops! You are unnecessarily killing people, before their time.

Washington, Oregon made statewide restrictions over the weekend, even in counties of no spikes. So, tell me what we've learned? Also, please tell me what states did Trump lockdown, because as far as I know most states used the one size fits all lockdown policy in the spring.

I'm sorry, restrictions are not lockdowns to me.... lockdown is when we are all forced to stay at home if non essential workers, and closed if non essential businesses....

What we went through this past Spring....maybe it was just the northeast????

Lets see, you can't go to restaurants, you can't go to gyms, you can go to movies, you can't go to bowling alleys, if you want to see your family there is a 14 day quarantine, or 7 days followed by a Covid test. Grocery stores are at 25% capacity, as are all other stores. So basically its a shutdown, where are you going to go? Now, since March, no one comes over, we don't go anywhere except the grocery store. Now the wonderful governor is going to have us stand outside to get into grocery stores in freezing weather and snow, yeah that is going to be healthy, isn't it? Grocery stores are not where the spread of Covid is however this has to be fair.

I am beginning to like Covid in a way as I become more socially distant and less tolerant of people. Continue with the lockdowns, restrictions, whatever the hell you want to call them. The quality of life seems unimportant to people, the focus seems to be on quantity of life.

You may not call these lockdowns however others do.

This Is How Close Your State Is to Locking Down

There were months of warnings that fall would usher in another coronavirus surge across the U.S., and now, we're living it. According to the latest data from The New York Times from Nov. 20, new daily case counts are climbing in all but one of the 50 states. And with more than a million new...

www.yahoo.com

The article on the original site says 'Starting' to lockdown again, not that they have gone to Stay at Home orders.

And yes it sucks big-time! But, it's better than being dead or your wife being dead or your mom being dead or your child's husband being dead, or your neighbor being dead, because you just wanted things being normal again.... these truly are not normal times....They won't be normal times again, for at least another year or two.... time to accept this, and to do what you can, to help your country and countrymen.

Except that alone, social distancing maximizes the death toll.
It does not end the epidemic, but just "flattens the curve", which means it lasts longer, spreads wider over time, and then kills the maximum number of people because the elderly can not be separated and protected for every long.

The ONLY ways that can reduce the deaths are ways that are fast.
You have to act quickly with any epidemic, because its spread is a factor of time, not masks or not.
Any strategy that just "flattens the curve" is ridiculously wrong, because that keeps the epidemic alive longer, and kills more.
And while full quarantine is fast, you can also speed up herd immunity to wipe out any epidemic in a matter of weeks.

 

[Care4all]

These are the current COVID-19 stats, as of this morning, for California, which has a population (39.5 million) that is larger than that of most countries, including Canada, Australia, Venezuela, Chile, Guatemala, and Romania. These stats are further proof that the Democrats' one-size-fits-all lockdown approach is senseless. They also prove there is no rational reason to keep our schools closed.

All Ages
Cases: 1.02 million
Deaths: 18,253
Death rate: 1.79%
Survival rate: 98.21%

Ages 0-17
Cases: 111,180
Deaths: 0
Death rate: 0.0%
Survival rate: 100%

Ages 18-49
Cases: 608,940
Deaths: 1,314
Death rate: 0.216% (the flu's death rate is between 0.150% and 0.250%)
Survival rate: 99.784%

Ages 50-64
Cases: 191,760
Deaths: 3,486
Death rate: 1.82%
Survival rate: 98.18%

Ages 65-100
Cases: 107,100
Deaths: 13,434
Death rate: 12.6%
Survival rate: 87.4%

These stats are based on the numbers published on the California Department of Health's website:

Tracking COVID-19 in California

The democrats DO NOT HAVE a one size fits ALL lockdown policy, that was TRUMPs this past Spring, and we've learned from it.

If lockdown are needed, it would be localized, in very hot spots, who do not have any hospital space left, to care for the sick in their communities, or enough doctors o rd etc, to care for the sick.

Where a mask, stop being nincompoops! You are unnecessarily killing people, before their time.

This is total bullshit you know that's not true. No blue state is doing things that way

State wide lockdowns

What a terrible fucking take

I do like that you're acknowledging what ridiculous policy it is tho

By the standards biden would apply the whole country should be locked down. Cases are rising everywhere

States, Republican state governors ARE putting in restrictions, in hot spots....this really is not a POLITICAL thing..... It's a life or death thing.

And no, restrictions are not lockdowns.

Lockdowns are STAY AT HOME orders.

Biden can NOT order them, he can only suggest them.... States, rule themselves in these matters.

Wear a mask, social distance, wash and sanitize your hands frequently....more than 40% people who are infected, are asymptomatic.... have no clue they are sick....have no idea they are spreading it, to the more vulnerable.

This is a sneaky, son of a bitch virus. Unlike the influenza virus, for many...there are no symptoms that send a message to others....to stay away from them, to keep yourself well....like a person with the flu shows...coughing, sneezing etc.

The only way these human viruses can live, is if they have a human host...the virus's whole mission is survival...survival entails continual infection of as many humans as possible.

That is not true.
Asymptomatic people are NOT at all contagious.
And it is not just 40%, but 90% of those who are infected are asymptomatic.
That is because 90% of the population is already inherently immune, due to the fact their immune system is already familiar with other coronaviruses.

There are only a very few pre-symptomatic who can spread while not yet feeling anything.

Nor does a lock down or social distancing by themselves do any good at all.
For example, masks are at best only 95% effective, so there is no point at all in trying to rely on something that lets a 5% spread of the infection. To END an epidemic, you have to have 100% effectiveness for a short period of time, or else you might as well just go back to herd immunity.
There is absolutely no point to anything in between. If you allow a 5% spread, you did ZERO good.
A partial reduction in infection rates has absolutely NO advantage at all.
If you achieve a 0 infection rate for 2 weeks, then you can totally end it, fast.
That is the only sensible course of action other than just accelerating herd immunity with deliberate infection of young volunteers.

And by the way, if locks downs are just "stay at home" orders, then we have never had a lock down.
Since there is no alternative for getting food yet, no one has ever been ordered to stay at home.

Wrong, asymptomatic people ARE INFECTIOUS....They do spread the virus to others and that is WHY we have so much, community spread.

 

[Rigby5]

.this really is not a POLITICAL thing..... It's a life or death thing.

BULLSHIT- it's a political life or death thing-

is it political when our govt tells us we females can't go topless in public, or political when we are forced to wear clothes in public?

President Trump made it political for his own personal reasons...and trumpets followed his lead, as they always do imo.

But any other person on Earth, that could be sitting as our President, would not have intentionally and negligently killed off more Americans, as he has done, with his rhetoric....

Yes it is political when laws prevent being topless or totally nude.
I do not at all support Trump, but he was correct that covid-19 have a VERY low death rate or threat, with only 0,06% of the population being killed by it, and that it would long have been over if only we had allowed herd immunity to end it back in March.

If you want to know why Fauci was wrong to claim that would have resulted in 4 million deaths, look at his numbers. The 90% asymptomatic proves his lethality claim of 1.5% dying from infection should actually have been 0,15%. His claim 70% would have to be infected is actually 7%. And if you deliberately infect just young volunteers, then their death rate is 40 times lower than it is now, with mostly those over 70 dying. The actual death toll from herd immunity in March would have only been around 4 thousand, not 4 million.

 

[Care4all]

These are the current COVID-19 stats, as of this morning, for California, which has a population (39.5 million) that is larger than that of most countries, including Canada, Australia, Venezuela, Chile, Guatemala, and Romania. These stats are further proof that the Democrats' one-size-fits-all lockdown approach is senseless. They also prove there is no rational reason to keep our schools closed.

All Ages
Cases: 1.02 million
Deaths: 18,253
Death rate: 1.79%
Survival rate: 98.21%

Ages 0-17
Cases: 111,180
Deaths: 0
Death rate: 0.0%
Survival rate: 100%

Ages 18-49
Cases: 608,940
Deaths: 1,314
Death rate: 0.216% (the flu's death rate is between 0.150% and 0.250%)
Survival rate: 99.784%

Ages 50-64
Cases: 191,760
Deaths: 3,486
Death rate: 1.82%
Survival rate: 98.18%

Ages 65-100
Cases: 107,100
Deaths: 13,434
Death rate: 12.6%
Survival rate: 87.4%

These stats are based on the numbers published on the California Department of Health's website:

Tracking COVID-19 in California

The democrats DO NOT HAVE a one size fits ALL lockdown policy, that was TRUMPs this past Spring, and we've learned from it.

If lockdowns are needed, it would be localized, in very hot spots, who do not have any hospital space left, to care for the sick in their communities, or enough doctors etc, to care for the sick.

Wear a mask, stop being nincompoops! You are unnecessarily killing people, before their time.

Washington, Oregon made statewide restrictions over the weekend, even in counties of no spikes. So, tell me what we've learned? Also, please tell me what states did Trump lockdown, because as far as I know most states used the one size fits all lockdown policy in the spring.

I'm sorry, restrictions are not lockdowns to me.... lockdown is when we are all forced to stay at home if non essential workers, and closed if non essential businesses....

What we went through this past Spring....maybe it was just the northeast????

Lets see, you can't go to restaurants, you can't go to gyms, you can go to movies, you can't go to bowling alleys, if you want to see your family there is a 14 day quarantine, or 7 days followed by a Covid test. Grocery stores are at 25% capacity, as are all other stores. So basically its a shutdown, where are you going to go? Now, since March, no one comes over, we don't go anywhere except the grocery store. Now the wonderful governor is going to have us stand outside to get into grocery stores in freezing weather and snow, yeah that is going to be healthy, isn't it? Grocery stores are not where the spread of Covid is however this has to be fair.

I am beginning to like Covid in a way as I become more socially distant and less tolerant of people. Continue with the lockdowns, restrictions, whatever the hell you want to call them. The quality of life seems unimportant to people, the focus seems to be on quantity of life.

You may not call these lockdowns however others do.

This Is How Close Your State Is to Locking Down

There were months of warnings that fall would usher in another coronavirus surge across the U.S., and now, we're living it. According to the latest data from The New York Times from Nov. 20, new daily case counts are climbing in all but one of the 50 states. And with more than a million new...

www.yahoo.com

The article on the original site says 'Starting' to lockdown again, not that they have gone to Stay at Home orders.

And yes it sucks big-time! But, it's better than being dead or your wife being dead or your mom being dead or your child's husband being dead, or your neighbor being dead, because you just wanted things being normal again.... these truly are not normal times....They won't be normal times again, for at least another year or two.... time to accept this, and to do what you can, to help your country and countrymen.

Except that alone, social distancing maximizes the death toll.
It does not end the epidemic, but just "flattens the curve", which means it lasts longer, spreads wider over time, and then kills the maximum number of people because the elderly can not be separated and protected for every long.

The ONLY ways that can reduce the deaths are ways that are fast.
You have to act quickly with any epidemic, because its spread is a factor of time, not masks or not.
Any strategy that just "flattens the curve" is ridiculously wrong, because that keeps the epidemic alive longer, and kills more.
And while full quarantine is fast, you can also speed up herd immunity to wipe out any epidemic in a matter of weeks.

Herd immunity, is a term created by doctors and scientists t
For vaccinations.

There has NEVER been natural herd immunity, it has never been achieved, ever.... without a vaccine.

Wrap that around your head.

 

[Rigby5]

These are the current COVID-19 stats, as of this morning, for California, which has a population (39.5 million) that is larger than that of most countries, including Canada, Australia, Venezuela, Chile, Guatemala, and Romania. These stats are further proof that the Democrats' one-size-fits-all lockdown approach is senseless. They also prove there is no rational reason to keep our schools closed.

All Ages
Cases: 1.02 million
Deaths: 18,253
Death rate: 1.79%
Survival rate: 98.21%

Ages 0-17
Cases: 111,180
Deaths: 0
Death rate: 0.0%
Survival rate: 100%

Ages 18-49
Cases: 608,940
Deaths: 1,314
Death rate: 0.216% (the flu's death rate is between 0.150% and 0.250%)
Survival rate: 99.784%

Ages 50-64
Cases: 191,760
Deaths: 3,486
Death rate: 1.82%
Survival rate: 98.18%

Ages 65-100
Cases: 107,100
Deaths: 13,434
Death rate: 12.6%
Survival rate: 87.4%

These stats are based on the numbers published on the California Department of Health's website:

Tracking COVID-19 in California

The democrats DO NOT HAVE a one size fits ALL lockdown policy, that was TRUMPs this past Spring, and we've learned from it.

If lockdown are needed, it would be localized, in very hot spots, who do not have any hospital space left, to care for the sick in their communities, or enough doctors o rd etc, to care for the sick.

Where a mask, stop being nincompoops! You are unnecessarily killing people, before their time.

This is total bullshit you know that's not true. No blue state is doing things that way

State wide lockdowns

What a terrible fucking take

I do like that you're acknowledging what ridiculous policy it is tho

By the standards biden would apply the whole country should be locked down. Cases are rising everywhere

States, Republican state governors ARE putting in restrictions, in hot spots....this really is not a POLITICAL thing..... It's a life or death thing.

And no, restrictions are not lockdowns.

Lockdowns are STAY AT HOME orders.

Biden can NOT order them, he can only suggest them.... States, rule themselves in these matters.

Wear a mask, social distance, wash and sanitize your hands frequently....more than 40% people who are infected, are asymptomatic.... have no clue they are sick....have no idea they are spreading it, to the more vulnerable.

This is a sneaky, son of a bitch virus. Unlike the influenza virus, for many...there are no symptoms that send a message to others....to stay away from them, to keep yourself well....like a person with the flu shows...coughing, sneezing etc.

The only way these human viruses can live, is if they have a human host...the virus's whole mission is survival...survival entails continual infection of as many humans as possible.

That is not true.
Asymptomatic people are NOT at all contagious.
And it is not just 40%, but 90% of those who are infected are asymptomatic.
That is because 90% of the population is already inherently immune, due to the fact their immune system is already familiar with other coronaviruses.

There are only a very few pre-symptomatic who can spread while not yet feeling anything.

Nor does a lock down or social distancing by themselves do any good at all.
For example, masks are at best only 95% effective, so there is no point at all in trying to rely on something that lets a 5% spread of the infection. To END an epidemic, you have to have 100% effectiveness for a short period of time, or else you might as well just go back to herd immunity.
There is absolutely no point to anything in between. If you allow a 5% spread, you did ZERO good.
A partial reduction in infection rates has absolutely NO advantage at all.
If you achieve a 0 infection rate for 2 weeks, then you can totally end it, fast.
That is the only sensible course of action other than just accelerating herd immunity with deliberate infection of young volunteers.

And by the way, if locks downs are just "stay at home" orders, then we have never had a lock down.
Since there is no alternative for getting food yet, no one has ever been ordered to stay at home.

Wrong, asymptomatic people ARE INFECTIOUS....They do spread the virus to others and that is WHY we have so much, community spread.

Wrong.
Asymptomatic people never are infectious,
They are inherently immune.
That is 90% of the population.
There is no way for the virus to reproduce to the point of being contagious without there eventually being symptoms.
What you are confusing is the pre-symptomatic, who will get symptoms but just have not yet because the virus reproduction is happening in external remote locations like lungs or sinus cavities that prevent detection by the immune system.
If you NEVER have symptoms, then you NEVER had mass reproduction.
There is no way to be able to spread infection without mass reproduction, and you can't have that without eventually then having symptoms.

 

[Rigby5]

These are the current COVID-19 stats, as of this morning, for California, which has a population (39.5 million) that is larger than that of most countries, including Canada, Australia, Venezuela, Chile, Guatemala, and Romania. These stats are further proof that the Democrats' one-size-fits-all lockdown approach is senseless. They also prove there is no rational reason to keep our schools closed.

All Ages
Cases: 1.02 million
Deaths: 18,253
Death rate: 1.79%
Survival rate: 98.21%

Ages 0-17
Cases: 111,180
Deaths: 0
Death rate: 0.0%
Survival rate: 100%

Ages 18-49
Cases: 608,940
Deaths: 1,314
Death rate: 0.216% (the flu's death rate is between 0.150% and 0.250%)
Survival rate: 99.784%

Ages 50-64
Cases: 191,760
Deaths: 3,486
Death rate: 1.82%
Survival rate: 98.18%

Ages 65-100
Cases: 107,100
Deaths: 13,434
Death rate: 12.6%
Survival rate: 87.4%

These stats are based on the numbers published on the California Department of Health's website:

Tracking COVID-19 in California

The democrats DO NOT HAVE a one size fits ALL lockdown policy, that was TRUMPs this past Spring, and we've learned from it.

If lockdowns are needed, it would be localized, in very hot spots, who do not have any hospital space left, to care for the sick in their communities, or enough doctors etc, to care for the sick.

Wear a mask, stop being nincompoops! You are unnecessarily killing people, before their time.

Washington, Oregon made statewide restrictions over the weekend, even in counties of no spikes. So, tell me what we've learned? Also, please tell me what states did Trump lockdown, because as far as I know most states used the one size fits all lockdown policy in the spring.

I'm sorry, restrictions are not lockdowns to me.... lockdown is when we are all forced to stay at home if non essential workers, and closed if non essential businesses....

What we went through this past Spring....maybe it was just the northeast????

Lets see, you can't go to restaurants, you can't go to gyms, you can go to movies, you can't go to bowling alleys, if you want to see your family there is a 14 day quarantine, or 7 days followed by a Covid test. Grocery stores are at 25% capacity, as are all other stores. So basically its a shutdown, where are you going to go? Now, since March, no one comes over, we don't go anywhere except the grocery store. Now the wonderful governor is going to have us stand outside to get into grocery stores in freezing weather and snow, yeah that is going to be healthy, isn't it? Grocery stores are not where the spread of Covid is however this has to be fair.

I am beginning to like Covid in a way as I become more socially distant and less tolerant of people. Continue with the lockdowns, restrictions, whatever the hell you want to call them. The quality of life seems unimportant to people, the focus seems to be on quantity of life.

You may not call these lockdowns however others do.

This Is How Close Your State Is to Locking Down

There were months of warnings that fall would usher in another coronavirus surge across the U.S., and now, we're living it. According to the latest data from The New York Times from Nov. 20, new daily case counts are climbing in all but one of the 50 states. And with more than a million new...

www.yahoo.com

The article on the original site says 'Starting' to lockdown again, not that they have gone to Stay at Home orders.

And yes it sucks big-time! But, it's better than being dead or your wife being dead or your mom being dead or your child's husband being dead, or your neighbor being dead, because you just wanted things being normal again.... these truly are not normal times....They won't be normal times again, for at least another year or two.... time to accept this, and to do what you can, to help your country and countrymen.

Except that alone, social distancing maximizes the death toll.
It does not end the epidemic, but just "flattens the curve", which means it lasts longer, spreads wider over time, and then kills the maximum number of people because the elderly can not be separated and protected for every long.

The ONLY ways that can reduce the deaths are ways that are fast.
You have to act quickly with any epidemic, because its spread is a factor of time, not masks or not.
Any strategy that just "flattens the curve" is ridiculously wrong, because that keeps the epidemic alive longer, and kills more.
And while full quarantine is fast, you can also speed up herd immunity to wipe out any epidemic in a matter of weeks.

Herd immunity, is a term created by doctors and scientists t
For vaccinations.

There has NEVER been natural herd immunity, it has never been achieved, ever.... without a vaccine.

Wrap that around your head.

Sorry, you sound intelligent, but that is the stupidest thing I have even read.
What do you think has stopped every single epidemic in not only the history of the human race, but all organisms?
It has ALWAYS ONLY been herd immunity.
And by the way, vaccinations only work because of herd immunity, because you can never inoculate everyone. Some people will die is vaccinated.
What do you think ended the Bubonic Plague, Diphtheria, the Spanish flu, typhus, cholera, polio, etc.?
It has always ONLY been herd immunity.
For example, the last polio epidemic was in 1948, and the Salk vaccine did not become available until 1957, AFTER it was essentially over already.

Smallpox and polio are the only real vaccine success stories, and vaccines are to prevent future epidemics, not end existing ones. They take too long to produce.

 

[Rigby5]

Herd immunity just means you do not need 100% immunity of the population in order to end an epidemic.
Any time an epidemic ends with less than 100% having immunity, that is due to herd immunity.

 

[LaDairis]

Lockdowns over lies make perfect sense.... to communist mass murderers who love offing those who do not support them....

by telling them they have CV, locking them up in a Hospital, and then shedding a croc tear when they die 12 hours later from something OTHER THAN CV.....

 

[Juicin]

These are the current COVID-19 stats, as of this morning, for California, which has a population (39.5 million) that is larger than that of most countries, including Canada, Australia, Venezuela, Chile, Guatemala, and Romania. These stats are further proof that the Democrats' one-size-fits-all lockdown approach is senseless. They also prove there is no rational reason to keep our schools closed.

All Ages
Cases: 1.02 million
Deaths: 18,253
Death rate: 1.79%
Survival rate: 98.21%

Ages 0-17
Cases: 111,180
Deaths: 0
Death rate: 0.0%
Survival rate: 100%

Ages 18-49
Cases: 608,940
Deaths: 1,314
Death rate: 0.216% (the flu's death rate is between 0.150% and 0.250%)
Survival rate: 99.784%

Ages 50-64
Cases: 191,760
Deaths: 3,486
Death rate: 1.82%
Survival rate: 98.18%

Ages 65-100
Cases: 107,100
Deaths: 13,434
Death rate: 12.6%
Survival rate: 87.4%

These stats are based on the numbers published on the California Department of Health's website:

Tracking COVID-19 in California

The democrats DO NOT HAVE a one size fits ALL lockdown policy, that was TRUMPs this past Spring, and we've learned from it.

If lockdown are needed, it would be localized, in very hot spots, who do not have any hospital space left, to care for the sick in their communities, or enough doctors o rd etc, to care for the sick.

Where a mask, stop being nincompoops! You are unnecessarily killing people, before their time.

This is total bullshit you know that's not true. No blue state is doing things that way

State wide lockdowns

What a terrible fucking take

I do like that you're acknowledging what ridiculous policy it is tho

By the standards biden would apply the whole country should be locked down. Cases are rising everywhere

States, Republican state governors ARE putting in restrictions, in hot spots....this really is not a POLITICAL thing..... It's a life or death thing.

And no, restrictions are not lockdowns.

Lockdowns are STAY AT HOME orders.

Biden can NOT order them, he can only suggest them.... States, rule themselves in these matters.

Wear a mask, social distance, wash and sanitize your hands frequently....more than 40% people who are infected, are asymptomatic.... have no clue they are sick....have no idea they are spreading it, to the more vulnerable.

This is a sneaky, son of a bitch virus. Unlike the influenza virus, for many...there are no symptoms that send a message to others....to stay away from them, to keep yourself well....like a person with the flu shows...coughing, sneezing etc.

The only way these human viruses can live, is if they have a human host...the virus's whole mission is survival...survival entails continual infection of as many humans as possible.

Yes it is.

They have political concerns

Not medical concerns, most of what is being suggested is psuedo science that infringes on basic rights. There is not enough evidence to justify this reaction.

Soft quarantines don't work

Contract tracing sure as shit doens't work

Not enough people will take the vaccine even if it's 100% effective

CLoth masks are backed by psuedo science only, there is no reason to think they will protect you from a virus or stop you from spreading it.

 

[Rigby5]

These are the current COVID-19 stats, as of this morning, for California, which has a population (39.5 million) that is larger than that of most countries, including Canada, Australia, Venezuela, Chile, Guatemala, and Romania. These stats are further proof that the Democrats' one-size-fits-all lockdown approach is senseless. They also prove there is no rational reason to keep our schools closed.

All Ages
Cases: 1.02 million
Deaths: 18,253
Death rate: 1.79%
Survival rate: 98.21%

Ages 0-17
Cases: 111,180
Deaths: 0
Death rate: 0.0%
Survival rate: 100%

Ages 18-49
Cases: 608,940
Deaths: 1,314
Death rate: 0.216% (the flu's death rate is between 0.150% and 0.250%)
Survival rate: 99.784%

Ages 50-64
Cases: 191,760
Deaths: 3,486
Death rate: 1.82%
Survival rate: 98.18%

Ages 65-100
Cases: 107,100
Deaths: 13,434
Death rate: 12.6%
Survival rate: 87.4%

These stats are based on the numbers published on the California Department of Health's website:

Tracking COVID-19 in California

The democrats DO NOT HAVE a one size fits ALL lockdown policy, that was TRUMPs this past Spring, and we've learned from it.

If lockdown are needed, it would be localized, in very hot spots, who do not have any hospital space left, to care for the sick in their communities, or enough doctors o rd etc, to care for the sick.

Where a mask, stop being nincompoops! You are unnecessarily killing people, before their time.

This is total bullshit you know that's not true. No blue state is doing things that way

State wide lockdowns

What a terrible fucking take

I do like that you're acknowledging what ridiculous policy it is tho

By the standards biden would apply the whole country should be locked down. Cases are rising everywhere

States, Republican state governors ARE putting in restrictions, in hot spots....this really is not a POLITICAL thing..... It's a life or death thing.

And no, restrictions are not lockdowns.

Lockdowns are STAY AT HOME orders.

Biden can NOT order them, he can only suggest them.... States, rule themselves in these matters.

Wear a mask, social distance, wash and sanitize your hands frequently....more than 40% people who are infected, are asymptomatic.... have no clue they are sick....have no idea they are spreading it, to the more vulnerable.

This is a sneaky, son of a bitch virus. Unlike the influenza virus, for many...there are no symptoms that send a message to others....to stay away from them, to keep yourself well....like a person with the flu shows...coughing, sneezing etc.

The only way these human viruses can live, is if they have a human host...the virus's whole mission is survival...survival entails continual infection of as many humans as possible.

Yes it is.

They have political concerns

Not medical concerns, most of what is being suggested is psuedo science that infringes on basic rights. There is not enough evidence to justify this reaction.

Soft quarantines don't work

Contract tracing sure as shit doens't work

Not enough people will take the vaccine even if it's 100% effective

CLoth masks are backed by psuedo science only, there is no reason to think they will protect you from a virus or stop you from spreading it.

The objection to masks and social distancing, partial locks downs, flattening the curve, etc., is that they do not and can not work to end the epidemic, so then actually just increase the death count by making it last longer, which spreads it wider.

Draconian measures can be justified if it ends the epidemic, but not just to make statistics lower for some small period of time.
Flattening the curve is just murder, and helps no one.

If we don't do total quarantine with contract tracing to quickly end an epidemic, then the only other alternative is to quickly end it with accelerated herd immunity, where you deliberately infect young volunteers who are at almost no risk.

 

[jbrownson0831]

These are the current COVID-19 stats, as of this morning, for California, which has a population (39.5 million) that is larger than that of most countries, including Canada, Australia, Venezuela, Chile, Guatemala, and Romania. These stats are further proof that the Democrats' one-size-fits-all lockdown approach is senseless. They also prove there is no rational reason to keep our schools closed.

All Ages
Cases: 1.02 million
Deaths: 18,253
Death rate: 1.79%
Survival rate: 98.21%

Ages 0-17
Cases: 111,180
Deaths: 0
Death rate: 0.0%
Survival rate: 100%

Ages 18-49
Cases: 608,940
Deaths: 1,314
Death rate: 0.216% (the flu's death rate is between 0.150% and 0.250%)
Survival rate: 99.784%

Ages 50-64
Cases: 191,760
Deaths: 3,486
Death rate: 1.82%
Survival rate: 98.18%

Ages 65-100
Cases: 107,100
Deaths: 13,434
Death rate: 12.6%
Survival rate: 87.4%

These stats are based on the numbers published on the California Department of Health's website:

Tracking COVID-19 in California

the real question to me is -

total deaths in 2020. i don't care why.
then 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016

and so forth.

you would think if covid was an extra driver then the total # of deaths in the US would be substantially higher in 2020 than any previous year.

About a month ago, ytd, we had 300,000 excess mortality this year vs last year....about 200,000 were accounted for as covid deaths, the other 100,000 excess deaths were unidentified deaths that occurred at home.....They guess that they are heart failures, strokes, and other ailments that patients/people were afraid to go to the hospital for due to COVID 19.... and even some might have been covid deaths.

Google: excess mortality

There are several different analysis on it.

US mortality rate from Covid strictly by documented cases is down to 2.1%. US has moved from 10th to 12th globally on deaths/million population and severe case rate now down below a half a percent.

 

[jbrownson0831]

These are the current COVID-19 stats, as of this morning, for California, which has a population (39.5 million) that is larger than that of most countries, including Canada, Australia, Venezuela, Chile, Guatemala, and Romania. These stats are further proof that the Democrats' one-size-fits-all lockdown approach is senseless. They also prove there is no rational reason to keep our schools closed.

All Ages
Cases: 1.02 million
Deaths: 18,253
Death rate: 1.79%
Survival rate: 98.21%

Ages 0-17
Cases: 111,180
Deaths: 0
Death rate: 0.0%
Survival rate: 100%

Ages 18-49
Cases: 608,940
Deaths: 1,314
Death rate: 0.216% (the flu's death rate is between 0.150% and 0.250%)
Survival rate: 99.784%

Ages 50-64
Cases: 191,760
Deaths: 3,486
Death rate: 1.82%
Survival rate: 98.18%

Ages 65-100
Cases: 107,100
Deaths: 13,434
Death rate: 12.6%
Survival rate: 87.4%

These stats are based on the numbers published on the California Department of Health's website:

Tracking COVID-19 in California

The democrats DO NOT HAVE a one size fits ALL lockdown policy, that was TRUMPs this past Spring, and we've learned from it.

If lockdown are needed, it would be localized, in very hot spots, who do not have any hospital space left, to care for the sick in their communities, or enough doctors o rd etc, to care for the sick.

Where a mask, stop being nincompoops! You are unnecessarily killing people, before their time.

This is total bullshit you know that's not true. No blue state is doing things that way

State wide lockdowns

What a terrible fucking take

I do like that you're acknowledging what ridiculous policy it is tho

By the standards biden would apply the whole country should be locked down. Cases are rising everywhere

States, Republican state governors ARE putting in restrictions, in hot spots....this really is not a POLITICAL thing..... It's a life or death thing.

And no, restrictions are not lockdowns.

Lockdowns are STAY AT HOME orders.

Biden can NOT order them, he can only suggest them.... States, rule themselves in these matters.

Wear a mask, social distance, wash and sanitize your hands frequently....more than 40% people who are infected, are asymptomatic.... have no clue they are sick....have no idea they are spreading it, to the more vulnerable.

This is a sneaky, son of a bitch virus. Unlike the influenza virus, for many...there are no symptoms that send a message to others....to stay away from them, to keep yourself well....like a person with the flu shows...coughing, sneezing etc.

The only way these human viruses can live, is if they have a human host...the virus's whole mission is survival...survival entails continual infection of as many humans as possible.

Yes it is.

They have political concerns

Not medical concerns, most of what is being suggested is psuedo science that infringes on basic rights. There is not enough evidence to justify this reaction.

Soft quarantines don't work

Contract tracing sure as shit doens't work

Not enough people will take the vaccine even if it's 100% effective

CLoth masks are backed by psuedo science only, there is no reason to think they will protect you from a virus or stop you from spreading it.

The objection to masks and social distancing, partial locks downs, flattening the curve, etc., is that they do not and can not work to end the epidemic, so then actually just increase the death count by making it last longer, which spreads it wider.

Draconian measures can be justified if it ends the epidemic, but not just to make statistics lower for some small period of time.
Flattening the curve is just murder, and helps no one.

If we don't do total quarantine with contract tracing to quickly end an epidemic, then the only other alternative is to quickly end it with accelerated herd immunity, where you deliberately infect young volunteers who are at almost no risk.

Mortality rate declining every day along with critical case rate by simply testing more people.

 

[Juicin]

These are the current COVID-19 stats, as of this morning, for California, which has a population (39.5 million) that is larger than that of most countries, including Canada, Australia, Venezuela, Chile, Guatemala, and Romania. These stats are further proof that the Democrats' one-size-fits-all lockdown approach is senseless. They also prove there is no rational reason to keep our schools closed.

All Ages
Cases: 1.02 million
Deaths: 18,253
Death rate: 1.79%
Survival rate: 98.21%

Ages 0-17
Cases: 111,180
Deaths: 0
Death rate: 0.0%
Survival rate: 100%

Ages 18-49
Cases: 608,940
Deaths: 1,314
Death rate: 0.216% (the flu's death rate is between 0.150% and 0.250%)
Survival rate: 99.784%

Ages 50-64
Cases: 191,760
Deaths: 3,486
Death rate: 1.82%
Survival rate: 98.18%

Ages 65-100
Cases: 107,100
Deaths: 13,434
Death rate: 12.6%
Survival rate: 87.4%

These stats are based on the numbers published on the California Department of Health's website:

Tracking COVID-19 in California

The democrats DO NOT HAVE a one size fits ALL lockdown policy, that was TRUMPs this past Spring, and we've learned from it.

If lockdown are needed, it would be localized, in very hot spots, who do not have any hospital space left, to care for the sick in their communities, or enough doctors o rd etc, to care for the sick.

Where a mask, stop being nincompoops! You are unnecessarily killing people, before their time.

This is total bullshit you know that's not true. No blue state is doing things that way

State wide lockdowns

What a terrible fucking take

I do like that you're acknowledging what ridiculous policy it is tho

By the standards biden would apply the whole country should be locked down. Cases are rising everywhere

States, Republican state governors ARE putting in restrictions, in hot spots....this really is not a POLITICAL thing..... It's a life or death thing.

And no, restrictions are not lockdowns.

Lockdowns are STAY AT HOME orders.

Biden can NOT order them, he can only suggest them.... States, rule themselves in these matters.

Wear a mask, social distance, wash and sanitize your hands frequently....more than 40% people who are infected, are asymptomatic.... have no clue they are sick....have no idea they are spreading it, to the more vulnerable.

This is a sneaky, son of a bitch virus. Unlike the influenza virus, for many...there are no symptoms that send a message to others....to stay away from them, to keep yourself well....like a person with the flu shows...coughing, sneezing etc.

The only way these human viruses can live, is if they have a human host...the virus's whole mission is survival...survival entails continual infection of as many humans as possible.

Yes it is.

They have political concerns

Not medical concerns, most of what is being suggested is psuedo science that infringes on basic rights. There is not enough evidence to justify this reaction.

Soft quarantines don't work

Contract tracing sure as shit doens't work

Not enough people will take the vaccine even if it's 100% effective

CLoth masks are backed by psuedo science only, there is no reason to think they will protect you from a virus or stop you from spreading it.

The objection to masks and social distancing, partial locks downs, flattening the curve, etc., is that they do not and can not work to end the epidemic, so then actually just increase the death count by making it last longer, which spreads it wider.

Draconian measures can be justified if it ends the epidemic, but not just to make statistics lower for some small period of time.
Flattening the curve is just murder, and helps no one.

If we don't do total quarantine with contract tracing to quickly end an epidemic, then the only other alternative is to quickly end it with accelerated herd immunity, where you deliberately infect young volunteers who are at almost no risk.

Exactly, the only way you can imagine lockdowns beign worth it is if you go from a very stringent lockdown directly into mass vaccination. Anything else and your hollistic death rate is going to be very similar to nations who did nothing