More Economic GOOD NEWS: Jobless rates lowest since 2008

[Truthmatters]

The CBO scored teh 1993 budget reduction act as the major reason we had budget surpluses in the 1990s.

That bill was passed without one single R vote.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

The people who deny it is starting to recover dont seem to want the recovery.

eh...no. The people that deny that the economy is starting to recover are simply seeing it get worse all around them on a progressive and daily basis. It's kind of tough to buy into the blue skies and sunshine when the immediate forecast indicates severe weather ahead.

Personally, I'm not into weather reports. I'm into "being there" and experiencing the weather as it IS and it SUCKS.

Read the indicators I gave in this thread and quit hoping for the Failure of the country when the signs are getting good.

ROFLMNAO... As the owner of several small companies, in one of the most affluent communities on earth... there isn't much in the way of positive indicators to be seen ANYWHERE.

You people are INCREDIBLE...

Ya sit here today touting imginary positive indicators and YOUR OWN PRESIDENT ESCALATES CAFE STANDARDS on automobile manufacturers who are already BARELY hanging on; which JUST HAD TO BE BAILED OUT; and who are BARELY able to transfer that bailout coin to private instruments... this is going to drive the cost of building their products up; thus reduce their already stressed margins; raising the cost to the consumer; lowering their sales and forcing them to reassess their production and cut costs... AGAIN REDUCE THEIR COSTS: AND their HIGHEST COST: IS LABOR!

Naturally, the same goes for every company... the fact is that there's piss little demand for just about anything; companies are hanging on, not thriving. My businesses are service and manufacturing; and again, we're in an area which typically doesn't suffer recessions at anywhere near the depths of most of the planet; because of our tourism.

But the only thing that kept us going is that 90% of the people who we were competing with are out of business... leaving our companies which have all cut overhead sharply and labor by over 80% in the best case and 95% in the worst, to tend to the nearly non-existent demand. We're surviving... we've absolutely no plans to hire anyone and we don't order anything that doesn't have my signature on it.

Meaning that I've stripped the managers of their budgets; most of their staffs in every case, and ALL of their staffs in most; and the only way anyone orders anything is through me.

We're just happy to BE HERE...

So while you're desperate to blow sunshine up our collective asses, some of us are simply unable to accept such as an indicator of anything except what it is... which is: Self delusion on your part.

 

[Truthmatters]

Survey: Growth Ahead For Midwest Economy - Project Economy News Story - KCCI Des Moines

Is it this one?

Consumer spending up, sign of decent economic recovery - San Jose Mercury News

or this?


Demand for temps called sign of economic recovery - Business - MiamiHerald.com

Why do you pretend these facts dont exsist?

 

[mascale]

Barack Obama famously promised "The Reagan Trajectory," in the primary campaign. That was the stimulus last year.

Under Reagan I, Terms I and II, and Bush I, Term I, the incompetent business, managerial groupies had discovered that the federal deficit could bail them out. Black youth unemployment soared, untouched by it all, and so the youth-killings of the Hollywood, deliberately popularized , gang sub-culture was underway. Fortunes were made, except that the black guy, who ran the international stand against the invasion of Kuwait, actually didn't get very many people killed.

Still, the Spirt of the Reagan Trajectory was there. The Ivy League Obama Administration mainly added in the arithmetic-computed, bloated bureaucracies, of state and local governments in the federal, deficit largesse. The Preserverative Stimulus got spent right away, along with some for the federal, "business," contractors.

This year, stimulus-created, federal income tax refunds are up one third. A jobs bill is on the way. Manufacturing indices are up. Noted already, temp help is up. But after one year of the Tea Party, And Its GOP, opposed Obama Stimulus: Then now auto sales are up one third over last year, which is before the stimulus, and after the preservative part.

News Headlines

Auto dealerships now probably think that an equal amount COLA, like the "Make Work Pay," refundable tax credit: May work just fine after all!

The Stimulus spending is widely known to have been opposed by the Tea Party, and its GOP, and from the start. They were also famously opposed to National Health Insurance, once the details started to become apparent. Mainly, "Start All Over," and re-write all of human history, was about all that they could come up with.

Now anyone sees what became of the famously derided, inventory build-up of the QIV GDP. Much of it is being driven out the front-door, of the auto dealerships, in the United States.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred"
(Now to show Miss April, a thing or two about. . .well. . .Foolery! Someone once actually had a job, doing that, in the United States--all legends aside!)

 

[Vast LWC]

ROFLMNAO... As the owner of several small companies, in one of the most affluent communities on earth... there isn't much in the way of positive indicators to be seen ANYWHERE.

You people are INCREDIBLE...

Ya sit here today touting imginary positive indicators and YOUR OWN PRESIDENT ESCALATES CAFE STANDARDS on automobile manufacturers who are already BARELY hanging on; which JUST HAD TO BE BAILED OUT; and who are BARELY able to transfer that bailout coin to private instruments... this is going to drive the cost of building their products up; thus reduce their already stressed margins; raising the cost to the consumer; lowering their sales and forcing them to reassess their production and cut costs... AGAIN REDUCE THEIR COSTS: AND their HIGHEST COST: IS LABOR!

Naturally, the same goes for every company... the fact is that there's piss little demand for just about anything; companies are hanging on, not thriving. My businesses are service and manufacturing; and again, we're in an area which typically doesn't suffer recessions at anywhere near the depths of most of the planet; because of our tourism.

But the only thing that kept us going is that 90% of the people who we were competing with are out of business... leaving our companies which have all cut overhead sharply and labor by over 80% in the best case and 95% in the worst, to tend to the nearly non-existent demand. We're surviving... we've absolutely no plans to hire anyone and we don't order anything that doesn't have my signature on it.

Meaning that I've stripped the managers of their budgets; most of their staffs in every case, and ALL of their staffs in most; and the only way anyone orders anything is through me.

We're just happy to BE HERE...

So while you're desperate to blow sunshine up our collective asses, some of us are simply unable to accept such as an indicator of anything except what it is... which is: Self delusion on your part.

Car sales are up by an average of 30%, CAFE standards or no CAFE standards.

And this is after the Cash for Clunkers program ended.

GM had it's best month in years this month, and before you go off on how that because of the Toyata fiasco, it turns out Toyota sales are up too.

Wall Street is about to hit 11,000.

All other aspects of the economy have been, and are still, in recovery.

And whether the Jobless numbers meet some arbitrary expectation numbers or not, they are UP.

So, essentially, we're in pretty damn good shape relative to what was happening a short time ago.

 

[Vast LWC]

Didn't you people all claim cars sales would collapse after "Cash for Clunkers" went away?

LOL.

 

[Truthmatters]

List of recessions in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I really wish people knew our countrys economic history better

 

[Truthmatters]

Why do they always leave when these facts come up?

 

[Vast LWC]

They left because this thread was moved to the "Economy" category.

And because talking points don't really stand against hard facts.

 

[Truthmatters]

They leave because the historical facts clearly show that regulation works.

Its just not as profitable for the 1% who can cash in BIG TIME when every one else is desperate in bad times.

Its the 1% who want our markets to "take care of themselves".

 

[Neubarth]

The people who deny it is starting to recover dont seem to want the recovery.

There is no recovery. For there to be a recovery, we would have the economic numbers for all areas to average out to a net increase.

The sad fact is that the economic numbers show a continued collapse in the economy.

People are looking at manufacturing and saying that the manufacturing increase is the whole economy. That is not true. Manufacturing makes up ten to eleven percent of the economy. Service Sector jobs make up 70 percent of the economy. There is no real way to judge the service sector collapse, but it is collapsing.

The best indicator that we have in that area is the weekly Unemployment Insurance claims numbers. If they are above 350,000/week the economy is collapsing and the service sector being 70% of the economy has to be what is failing if manufacturing is up.

 

[Neubarth]

Didn't you people all claim cars sales would collapse after "Cash for Clunkers" went away?

LOL.

When the incentive went away, the car sales did dip. They are still way way down, but there is light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[Truthmatters]

When manufacturing goes up it is good for the economy.

When manufacturing is profitable there will be more manufacturing.

This IS how we increase manufacturing in this country.

 

[Neubarth]

All other aspects of the economy have been, and are still, in recovery.

And whether the Jobless numbers meet some arbitrary expectation numbers or not, they are UP.

So, essentially, we're in pretty damn good shape relative to what was happening a short time ago.

Jobless numbers are not up! In actuality, the UI claims went down. Unemployment is soaring to way over 27 percent in the most conservative estimate. You guys have got to get your act together before writing silly stuff like that on the forum.

The only indicator of economic production that is up is manufacturing which can be measured by Durable goods orders, Industrial Production, Factory orders and so on. Manufacturing is up but it does not even offset the collapse in construction. Service Sector jobs for the past two years have been falling like leaves.

All other aspects of the economy have been and are still in collapse. Where do you get your silly data from?

 

[Subhumus]

Car sales are up by an average of 30%, CAFE standards or no CAFE standards.

And this is after the Cash for Clunkers program ended.

GM had it's best month in years this month, and before you go off on how that because of the Toyata fiasco, it turns out Toyota sales are up too.

Wall Street is about to hit 11,000.

All other aspects of the economy have been, and are still, in recovery.

And whether the Jobless numbers meet some arbitrary expectation numbers or not, they are UP.

So, essentially, we're in pretty damn good shape relative to what was happening a short time ago.

The above emboldened statement is an utter lie. State your sources. Show me where it states that AMERICAN car sales are up 30% (as a whole) and I'll give everyone on this forum $100.00 Typical liberal BULLSHIT.

 

[mascale]

In the post of mascale, in the thread, there appears as follows: "AutoNation Chief Executive Mike Jackson, head of the largest U.S. dealership network, told CNBC on Thursday that he expected the industry to break the 12 million vehicle mark for an annualized rate in March." That would even be nearly 10% increase, nationally, just over the rates in January and February.

When the Bastion of War Criminals at GOP,--in the White House and all a part of it--were looking for Weapons of Mass Destruction: They rejected the evidence of the inspectors on the ground, UNMOVIC! UNMOVIC had done 550 surprise inspections of 350 suspect and listed sites in Iraq, with high-tech, modern, inspection equipment: And found nothing, reported in 2003.

When it comes to Governor Palin's, and Senator McCain's, "policy" advocacy of "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb--Bomb, Bomb Iran," even now they fail to recall that Iraq was more than willing to comply with the United Nations, suspcious of Iran. Saddam Hussein had engaged in an eight-year war, with Iran. Saddam Hussein was not a Moslem Fundamentalist, out to train anti-modernization Saudis: In the finer arts of flying jetliners into buildings in City of New York.

Sadaam Hussein was opposed by GOP, including McCain and Palin, and possibly on that basis. Socialists tend not to be Moslem Fundamentalists!

And so the evidence that WMD's were no longer stockpiled in Iraq, was dismissed as a distortion by the War Criminal GOP White House, just like subhumus poster rejects widely verifiable data about new car sales.

They are up. They are way up! They are even up including Toyota!

It's in the report, in the post of mascale!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Warrior Squaw not retreating, but re-loading! Warrior squaw, not into awareness of The Change(?)!)

 

[Subhumus]

In the post of mascale, in the thread, there appears as follows: "AutoNation Chief Executive Mike Jackson, head of the largest U.S. dealership network, told CNBC on Thursday that he expected the industry to break the 12 million vehicle mark for an annualized rate in March." That would even be nearly 10% increase, nationally, just over the rates in January and February.

When the Bastion of War Criminals at GOP,--in the White House and all a part of it--were looking for Weapons of Mass Destruction: They rejected the evidence of the inspectors on the ground, UNMOVIC! UNMOVIC had done 550 surprise inspections of 350 suspect and listed sites in Iraq, with high-tech, modern, inspection equipment: And found nothing, reported in 2003.

When it comes to Governor Palin's, and Senator McCain's, "policy" advocacy of "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb--Bomb, Bomb Iran," even now they fail to recall that Iraq was more than willing to comply with the United Nations, suspcious of Iran. Saddam Hussein had engaged in an eight-year war, with Iran. Saddam Hussein was not a Moslem Fundamentalist, out to train anti-modernization Saudis: In the finer arts of flying jetliners into buildings in City of New York.

Sadaam Hussein was opposed by GOP, including McCain and Palin, and possibly on that basis. Socialists tend not to be Moslem Fundamentalists!

And so the evidence that WMD's were no longer stockpiled in Iraq, was dismissed as a distortion by the War Criminal GOP White House, just like subhumus poster rejects widely verifiable data about new car sales.

They are up. They are way up! They are even up including Toyota!

It's in the report, in the post of mascale!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Warrior Squaw not retreating, but re-loading! Warrior squaw, not into awareness of The Change(?)!)

So all & all this what exactly, more spin and a feeble justification for an outright lie?

 

[Intense]

It's all about the presentation Winston, now isn't it.

 

[boedicca]

Considering that the economy needs to generate 350K jobs per months to recover what has been lost, this job growth is inadequate.

Shadow Government Stats, which adjusts current calculations so that a consistent method is used over time (the government keeps changing what is included and excluded), shows unemployment increasing.

The real unemployment figure is close to 22%. And the BLS U6 figure is back up to 17%.

Alternate Unemployment Charts


Crowing over the growth of government jobs and temp workers is a smokescreen to hide the dismal picture which affects millions of Americans.

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

ROFLMNAO... As the owner of several small companies, in one of the most affluent communities on earth... there isn't much in the way of positive indicators to be seen ANYWHERE.

You people are INCREDIBLE...

Ya sit here today touting imginary positive indicators and YOUR OWN PRESIDENT ESCALATES CAFE STANDARDS on automobile manufacturers who are already BARELY hanging on; which JUST HAD TO BE BAILED OUT; and who are BARELY able to transfer that bailout coin to private instruments... this is going to drive the cost of building their products up; thus reduce their already stressed margins; raising the cost to the consumer; lowering their sales and forcing them to reassess their production and cut costs... AGAIN REDUCE THEIR COSTS: AND their HIGHEST COST: IS LABOR!

Naturally, the same goes for every company... the fact is that there's piss little demand for just about anything; companies are hanging on, not thriving. My businesses are service and manufacturing; and again, we're in an area which typically doesn't suffer recessions at anywhere near the depths of most of the planet; because of our tourism.

But the only thing that kept us going is that 90% of the people who we were competing with are out of business... leaving our companies which have all cut overhead sharply and labor by over 80% in the best case and 95% in the worst, to tend to the nearly non-existent demand. We're surviving... we've absolutely no plans to hire anyone and we don't order anything that doesn't have my signature on it.

Meaning that I've stripped the managers of their budgets; most of their staffs in every case, and ALL of their staffs in most; and the only way anyone orders anything is through me.

We're just happy to BE HERE...

So while you're desperate to blow sunshine up our collective asses, some of us are simply unable to accept such as an indicator of anything except what it is... which is: Self delusion on your part.

Car sales are up by an average of 30%, CAFE standards or no CAFE standards.

And this is after the Cash for Clunkers program ended.

GM had it's best month in years this month, and before you go off on how that because of the Toyata fiasco, it turns out Toyota sales are up too.

Wall Street is about to hit 11,000.

All other aspects of the economy have been, and are still, in recovery.

And whether the Jobless numbers meet some arbitrary expectation numbers or not, they are UP.

So, essentially, we're in pretty damn good shape relative to what was happening a short time ago.

Well sure... and that GM loses money on every car it sells, means nothing; that the closest Gm gets to a profit is on the newly re-introduced anti-Eco-Chevy Camaro, their work trucks and SUVs... means NOTHING; and the Leftist regulatory increases which are about to drive their costs, thus losses FURTHER up... that means nothing; that the Cash for Clunkers was a DISTASTER; a subsidy which drove the cost per sale orders of magnitude into a net losses... THAT means nothing.

You seem content to simply note that because such exists, such represents some sort of success; like France... It is, therefore it works.

Now I love the reference to the equity markets... would ya care to correlate one dollar of the increases in those markets to a specific economic policy of the Brown Clown's regime?

The US economy is HANGING ON... we're not prospering and what more, our 'hanging on' is DESPITE THE SOCIALIST POLICIES ... not due to them.